2025-03-05 18:01:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-03-05)
2025-03-05 18:01:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-03-05 18:01:17 UTC
2025-03-05 18:01:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-03-05)'
2025-03-05 18:01:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-03-05 18:01:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-03-05 18:01:25 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-03-05 18:01:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-03-05 18:01:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:01:59 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:02:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2025-03-05 18:02:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo and Jonathan Wright 
2025-03-05 18:02:26 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:02:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:02:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2025-03-05 18:03:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:03:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:03:27 <@pgreco:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:03:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco)
2025-03-05 18:03:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-03-05 18:03:45 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-03-05 18:03:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:04:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George Pablo Greco and Diego Herrera 
2025-03-05 18:04:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-03-05 18:04:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:04:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2025-03-05 18:04:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2025-03-05 18:05:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-03-05 18:05:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-03-05 18:05:50 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-03-05 18:05:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-03-05 18:05:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We only have one issue this week.
2025-03-05 18:06:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2025-03-05 18:06:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> g'day 🙂
2025-03-05 18:06:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 316
2025-03-05 18:06:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-03-05 18:06:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #316** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/316):**EPEL Updates Policy, minor branches, and source-only Rust packages**
2025-03-05 18:06:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-03-05 18:06:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by decathorpe
2025-03-05 18:06:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2025-03-05 18:07:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although we were in agreement that they can get an override for "The leading branch" ... there was disagreement on 10.x and/or epel9-next.
2025-03-05 18:07:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> On the ticket, I asked if what we agreed on was good enough, but they didn't give an answer.
2025-03-05 18:08:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Are we ok closing the ticket, and if they want to do the updates on the non-leading branches, have them open new tickets?
2025-03-05 18:08:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that seems reasonable, keep them as separate tickets/decisions
2025-03-05 18:09:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK.  Then I'll do write that, and close the ticket.
2025-03-05 18:09:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on ...
2025-03-05 18:09:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-03-05 18:10:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wanted to bring up the restructuring and cleanup pull request
2025-03-05 18:10:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/pull-request/315
2025-03-05 18:11:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Last week we said we'd give them a week to make the changes Carl wanted ... I don't see the changes.
2025-03-05 18:11:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Are we ok merging this, and then doing those changes as smaller pull requests?
2025-03-05 18:11:54 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Ok by me
2025-03-05 18:12:15 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I'd preffer for it to be merged and for revisions to be made on new prs tbh just for progress sake
2025-03-05 18:12:36 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I wouldn't mind helping getting the current PRs rebased to this
2025-03-05 18:13:29 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that amounts to doing a partial revert as one of the requests was to remove some of the changes.  not the end of the world but much cleaner to just remove that part of the pr change.
2025-03-05 18:14:00 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if everyone else wants to just merge it and make the fixes separately, i won't block it
2025-03-05 18:14:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> could try pinging Petr Bokoc directly? oh wait, I just did. ;)
2025-03-05 18:14:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that works too
2025-03-05 18:14:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think we need to be in a super hurry, but we shouldn't let it languish either and get forgotten
2025-03-05 18:15:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I worry about the words of smooge coming back to bite us ... plus we also have other pull requests that haven't been started because we are waiting on this.
2025-03-05 18:15:57 <@pbokoc:fedora.im> Oh yeah, I wanted to get to that. I can just make the changes Carl suggested a bit later today and then we can merge it if noone has anything else
2025-03-05 18:16:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> perfect, thanks petr!
2025-03-05 18:16:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That sounds great to me.  Thank you Petr Bokoc 
2025-03-05 18:16:35 <@pbokoc:fedora.im> I'll post to the EPEL channel when I'm done
2025-03-05 18:16:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> kevin gave a cookie to pbokoc. They now have 63 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-03-05 18:17:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool ... is that good enough for everyone?   Or does anyone have any other comments before we move on?
2025-03-05 18:17:46 <@davide:cavalca.name> works for me
2025-03-05 18:18:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That was the only old business I have ... does anyone else have any old business?
2025-03-05 18:19:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Wow ... we are progresing very fast compared to the past couple of meetings.
2025-03-05 18:20:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-03-05 18:20:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have any new issues, or anything for Open Floor?
2025-03-05 18:21:23 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i brought up a thing during the office hours, but i have zero energy or time to retype it all during this meeting.  i'll write it up as a proper issue to give an overview for everyone that wasn't in the office hours call.
2025-03-05 18:21:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> mysterious. ;)
2025-03-05 18:21:59 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> https://github.com/AlmaLinux/ALESCo/pull/2
2025-03-05 18:21:59 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Just an update on the AlmaLinux EPEL  rebuild for x86_64_v2, it was tentatively approved in this morning's ALESCo meeting with all of Carl George 's concerns addressed to the best of our ability including a separate dist-tag and epel-release package name.
2025-03-05 18:21:59 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> 
2025-03-05 18:22:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'll note there's some confusion about epel10 minor's on the list... perhaps we could try and find a way to better explain in docs or something.
2025-03-05 18:23:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> this is the same thing i think
2025-03-05 18:24:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Jonathan Wright: looks good to me. Thank you for taking concerns and adjusting.
2025-03-05 18:24:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl, if you don't mind me summarizing at least the problem.
2025-03-05 18:26:05 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> an oversight of our current epel10 plan is that it can break automatic updates, and with manual updates it would require doing two dnf updates instead of one.  i've been brainstorming how to solve this and think i have a revised plan of how it could work, but it needs more investigation.
2025-03-05 18:27:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The problem is going to happen when someone running RHEL 10 (and possibly Alma, Rocky, etc..) and they try to update from 10.0 to 10.1.  The dnf variables aren't going to update until redhat-release gets updated, thus they won't be pointing to the right epel repository.  So at the very best, it would take two dnf updates.  But more likely, they will get stuck in an update loop because they can't update to RHEL 10.1 because something in epel10.0 want's the old - whatever.
2025-03-05 18:28:56 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yup, all of that.  i definitely want to do a more complete write up about all this.  the brainstorming in the office hours helped, so thank y'all that were able to attend.
2025-03-05 18:29:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hum, yeah. Well, luckily we have some time to work out something. ;)
2025-03-05 18:29:38 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> how exactly we fix it also depends on the exception decision to get releasever_minor set correctly, which we should get an answer on this week
2025-03-05 18:29:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: I like your plan, although it does have drawbacks ... but I agree in that summarizing it in a text-based meeting, it hard if not impossible.
2025-03-05 18:30:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: I like your plan, although it does have drawbacks ... but I agree in that summarizing it in a text-based meeting, is hard if not impossible.
2025-03-05 18:30:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah that's all i meant about not having the time or energy, hopefully that didn't come off curt
2025-03-05 18:30:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nope, I totally understand.
2025-03-05 18:32:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else for Open Floor?
2025-03-05 18:33:37 <@davide:cavalca.name> I have one quick question
2025-03-05 18:33:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: Go for it.
2025-03-05 18:34:00 <@davide:cavalca.name> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2350078 tells me that sshpass will be in RHEL 10.0
2025-03-05 18:34:19 <@davide:cavalca.name> oh I see, it was literally updated yesterday: https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/sshpass
2025-03-05 18:34:28 <@davide:cavalca.name> I was going to ask when it was going to show up on gitlab :)
2025-03-05 18:34:29 <@davide:cavalca.name> nevermind
2025-03-05 18:36:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's going to be hard for it to make it to 10.0, but the person that wants it knows how to work the red-tape ... so we'll see if it's there in time.
2025-03-05 18:37:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, I didn't expect to end the meeting early, but I'm ok with that.   Anything else before I close the meeting?
2025-03-05 18:37:51 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Nothing like getting time back!
2025-03-05 18:38:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for the good, and brief discussions today.   And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and the EPEL community.
2025-03-05 18:38:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to ya'll next week, if not sooner.
2025-03-05 18:38:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting