#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:21

!startmeeting EPEL (2025-05-14)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:22

Meeting started at 2025-05-14 18:00:21 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:22

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-05-14)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:27

!meetingname epel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:27

!topic aloha

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:28

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:00:34

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:35

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:00:49

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:52

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:01:13

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:14

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:24

Hi Diego Herrera Carl George and Michel Lind UTC-6

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:01:24

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:27

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:32

Hi Conan Kudo

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:01:46

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:12

Morning nirik

<@elguero:fedora.im>

18:02:30

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:31

None (elguero)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:40

Hi Michael L. Young

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:04

We got a majority of people early this week. That's unusual.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:40

I'll still wait one more minute, just so I can get things setup.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:14

!link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:14

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:51

I guess I'll start with the older one this time.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:58

!epel 328

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:59

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:59

● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:59

● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:59

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:04:59

**epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:21

Carl George: Thank you for writting that summary in from last weeks meeting.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:07

I'm not seeing any progress in it going into CRB ... at least not in the ticket.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:06:23

i saw something positive, let me see if i can find it

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:06:34

there are like four jiras for this

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:47

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:07

can't find it now, but in one of them a hatter said they were fine with it going into crb, so trending in the right direction

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:28

not quite the same as actual progress, but good indications

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:44

That is much better than a hatter saying the don't want it in.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:09:11

I'll take you at your word ... is there anything that needs to be discussed at this meeting then?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:25

it's gonna bug me now that i can't find the comment

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:37

no i think just a waiting game

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:09:59

OK, I'm going to move on to the other one. If you find the comment/jira issue, feel free to interupt.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:15

!epel 330

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:15

● **Assignee:** ngompa

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:15

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:15

● **Opened:** a week ago by carlwgeorge

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:15

● **Last Updated:** Never

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:15

**epel #330** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/330):**switch EPEL 10 to zstd repodata**

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:10:22

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:10:23

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:47

Last week I had to timebox #330 ... has there been any progress and/or discussion since last week?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:52

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:11:12

i swear we said we'd leave comments on this issue about our feelings regarding the change (i'm guilty as well)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:14

I believe I was feeling that we should wait until things are in both 9 and 10, but I wasn't feeling strongly about it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:13:35

I'm fine changing 10 now... changing 9 seems like it might break someone, but shrug.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:13:36

yeah iirc it's a mergerepo change expected to land in rhel 9.7 that makes it so mirrors hosting epel10 that are themselves running on rhel 9 can do repo merges instead of just "overwrite with latest"

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:06

right... oh, I thought it got into 9.6... my mistake

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:14:28

too bad robby isn't here, i know he was tracking that closely and could clarify

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:58

So, are we ok putting this off one more week until Robby is able to respond?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:15:06

ah ha, found the jira this time https://issues.redhat.com/browse/RHEL-67689

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:15:11

yeah, waiting is fine

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:15:19

note that I'm not around next week - RH summit (also Neal and Davide)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:15:29

yeah I don't know if we want to keep waiting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:15:32

me too

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:15:37

we can just merge and ship this...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:47

Oh ... ya, next week is summit.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:16:48

Conan Kudo: is it going to help more than it hurts?

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:17:09

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:17:10

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:17:11

Sorry I'm late

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:17:11

yes? it speeds up both compression and decompression, the latter especially

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:13

I guess it will help your average user (make things faster)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:22

Hi Jonathan Wright

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:17:23

I'm a bit wary of shipping things just before I'm incommunicado, after what happened with FESCo end of December :P

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:18:25

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:18:27

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:32

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:18:39

g'day folks. joining the late party

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:19:33

i'm still of the mindset that we should split up the pr to change separate releases separately. switching epel9 to xz (to be consistent with epel8) is a unique change that belongs in it's own pr. and we can roll out zstd to epel10 in epel10.1 and leave epel10.0 on gz so we're not changing things during summit.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:20:25

can we just decide now so we don't miss the 10.1 after already missing 10.0 :)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:21:05

if any of this backfires in an unforseen way, our options really are to revert the whole thing rather than just the specific broken part

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:21:59

reverting it piecemeal wouldn't work either because there would be git conflicts

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:24

I believe that is why he's asking to break it into two merge requests.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:39

That way, if the epel10 stuff breaks, we'll still have the epel9 changes in effect.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:23:37

I'm saying that if you want to revert one piece or the other it still wouldn't work

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:23:42

Well, the breakage will be people complaining that they can't use mergerepos_c I would guess...

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:23:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:23:45

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:23:46

hey, let me check something.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:24:04

robby's ears must have been burning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:11

Hi Robby Callicotte ... glad you could make it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:11

Conan Kudo: Ah, I see now ... because you broke things out ... you can't do just the epel9 stuff, because the epel9 stuff wasn't there before the change.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:25:28

yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:25:30

it's not independent

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:25:41

but it can be

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:25:46

stream 10 seems to use xz

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:26:24

i see gz and xz https://mirror.stream.centos.org/10-stream/BaseOS/x86_64/os/repodata/

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:26:27

(with compat so gz also)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:26:30

yeah

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:07

actually this is default gz, with xz for the sqlite and comps

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:27:27

how about 1 PR but two commits? (I really wish Phabricator took over the world, this is why you want stacked Diffs - basically stacked PRs)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:31

because createrepo lets you do all kinds of weird mixes like this

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:27:38

then you can just put up a revert PR that revert one commit

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:29:11

well, thats all details. We need to decide if we want to land the epel10 part, the epel9 part or both before we care about how they are setup. ;)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:29:34

right. I think getting hung up on how to do the PR is something we can trust the implementer to do, surely

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:36

I'm totally for the epel9 part.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:29:36

yeah putting two commits in one pr makes it easier to revert one or the other, but you're still making the changes at the same time

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:29

I'm for doing the epel10, because I'm being selfish and I want my stuff faster.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:09

I don't care much at this point, but if we land them both I man lean on people here to explain to any folks who complain how to work around it/whats going on. ;)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:20

I don't care much at this point, but if we land them both I may lean on people here to explain to any folks who complain how to work around it/whats going on. ;)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:32:39

let's do it then

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:32:42

bias for action

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:07

Do we have an email we can send out with the workarounds? I believe there is a build on copr somewhere, correct?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:33:13

yes

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:33:33

its linked in that jira

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:33:56

"bias for action" is not equivalent to "do it my way because i don't want to split the pr in two"

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:36:56

I will quit my 'fence-sitting' and say I'm for going all in and doing it, change epel9 to xz and epel10 to zstd ... how it's done, I don't care.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:37:28

it would be fine for most everyone. Only the corner case...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:04

I think splitting the PR into two, or two commits, or leave it as it is ... those are all details. But I believe we're in agreement that we should do it, correct?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:39:15

Agreed

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:40:13

yes, i don't think anyone has disagreed that these are positive changes to make

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:41:08

OK, let's put that in the issue, and then the details can be figured out.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:42:15

I believe the details can be worked out offline ... or at least out of meeting.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:42:51

so did we want to vote here? or ?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:43:37

with no dissent on "if" we make the change, is a vote necessary? i think it will be unanimous plus ones

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:44:32

Yep ... I'm sorry, let's make it official, sometimes I'm too relaxed sometimes.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:11

All in favor of changing epel9 to xz and epel10 to zstd, give a +1, if you are against, -1, neutral 0

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:45:18

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:19

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:45:42

+1 I guess... just to get it over with. ;)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:45:54

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:46:16

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:47:31

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:33

!agreed We have agreed to change epel9 repodata to xz and epel 10 repodata to zstd For: 6(+1) 0(0) 0(-1)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:50

OK, we can put that in the issue ... I'm going to move on.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:48:02

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:48:13

Do we have any Old Business that anyone wants to bring up?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:49:38

I'll take that as a no ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:49:43

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:49:51

I do have one thing for Open Floor.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:50:08

Do we want to have a meeting next week? Several people will be at Red hat Summit.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:50:24

I'm ok with skipping next week

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:50:29

i'm fine cancelling

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:50:43

with so many people out it would be a short meeting anyways

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:51:24

Ya, and I wouldn't feel good having anything 'resolved' with so many people gone.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:53:29

Then I'm going to cancel it. Give everyone an hour of their life back, except those at Summit, they already are going to be spending that hour of life.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:53:52

Does anyone else have anything for Open Floor?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:54:18

rhel10?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:54:38

never heard of it

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:54:59

i heard it's not-quite-ga 😉

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:55:17

neil gave a cookie to kevin. They now have 736 cookies, 9 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:55:36

seriously though, great work on C10S and everything y'all.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:55:49

i'm sure most here have noticed bits but no announcement, which apparently is how rh does things now. regardless of that, we've started syncing it to batcave so we can switch the epel10.0 buildroot to it. https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/2623#

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:56:08

oh boy!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:58:08

Anything else for Open Floor ?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:59:05

Then I'm going to call it a meeting.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:59:13

in the nick of time

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:59:34

Thank ya'll for the good discussions, decisions, and work. And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:59:53

thanks Troy

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:59:55

I'll talk to ya'll in two weeks, and some of you sooner.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

19:00:32

thanks Troy Dawson!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:33

!endmeeting