2025-05-14 18:00:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-05-14)
2025-05-14 18:00:22 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-14 18:00:21 UTC
2025-05-14 18:00:22 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-05-14)'
2025-05-14 18:00:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-05-14 18:00:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-05-14 18:00:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-05-14 18:00:34 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:00:35 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:00:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:00:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:01:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:01:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:01:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera Carl George and Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-14 18:01:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-14 18:01:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:01:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-05-14 18:01:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-05-14 18:02:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2025-05-14 18:02:30 <@elguero:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:02:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (elguero)
2025-05-14 18:02:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michael L. Young 
2025-05-14 18:03:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We got a majority of people early this week.  That's unusual.
2025-05-14 18:03:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll still wait one more minute, just so I can get things setup.
2025-05-14 18:04:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-05-14 18:04:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-05-14 18:04:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess I'll start with the older one this time.
2025-05-14 18:04:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 328
2025-05-14 18:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-05-14 18:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2025-05-14 18:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa
2025-05-14 18:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-05-14 18:04:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**
2025-05-14 18:05:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Thank you for writting that summary in from last weeks meeting.
2025-05-14 18:06:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not seeing any progress in it going into CRB ... at least not in the ticket.
2025-05-14 18:06:23 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i saw something positive, let me see if i can find it
2025-05-14 18:06:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> there are like four jiras for this
2025-05-14 18:06:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> :)
2025-05-14 18:08:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> can't find it now, but in one of them a hatter said they were fine with it going into crb, so trending in the right direction
2025-05-14 18:08:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> not quite the same as actual progress, but good indications
2025-05-14 18:08:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That is much better than a hatter saying the don't want it in.
2025-05-14 18:09:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll take you at your word ... is there anything that needs to be discussed at this meeting then?
2025-05-14 18:09:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it's gonna bug me now that i can't find the comment
2025-05-14 18:09:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> no i think just a waiting game
2025-05-14 18:09:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'm going to move on to the other one.   If you find the comment/jira issue, feel free to interupt.
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 330
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** ngompa
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by carlwgeorge
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** Never
2025-05-14 18:10:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #330** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/330):**switch EPEL 10 to zstd repodata**
2025-05-14 18:10:22 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-05-14 18:10:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:10:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Last week I had to timebox #330 ... has there been any progress and/or discussion since last week?
2025-05-14 18:10:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2025-05-14 18:11:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i swear we said we'd leave comments on this issue about our feelings regarding the change (i'm guilty as well)
2025-05-14 18:12:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe I was feeling that we should wait until things are in both 9 and 10, but I wasn't feeling strongly about it.
2025-05-14 18:13:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm fine changing 10 now... changing 9 seems like it might break someone, but shrug.
2025-05-14 18:13:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah iirc it's a mergerepo change expected to land in rhel 9.7 that makes it so mirrors hosting epel10 that are themselves running on rhel 9 can do repo merges instead of just "overwrite with latest"
2025-05-14 18:14:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right... oh, I thought it got into 9.6... my mistake
2025-05-14 18:14:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> too bad robby isn't here, i know he was tracking that closely and could clarify
2025-05-14 18:14:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, are we ok putting this off one more week until Robby is able to respond?
2025-05-14 18:15:06 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> ah ha, found the jira this time https://issues.redhat.com/browse/RHEL-67689
2025-05-14 18:15:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, waiting is fine
2025-05-14 18:15:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> note that I'm not around next week - RH summit (also Neal and Davide)
2025-05-14 18:15:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I don't know if we want to keep waiting
2025-05-14 18:15:32 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> me too
2025-05-14 18:15:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can just merge and ship this...
2025-05-14 18:15:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... ya, next week is summit.
2025-05-14 18:16:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: is it going to help more than it hurts?
2025-05-14 18:17:09 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:17:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2025-05-14 18:17:11 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Sorry I'm late
2025-05-14 18:17:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes? it speeds up both compression and decompression, the latter especially
2025-05-14 18:17:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I guess it will help your average user (make things faster)
2025-05-14 18:17:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Jonathan Wright 
2025-05-14 18:17:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm a bit wary of shipping things just before I'm incommunicado, after what happened with FESCo end of December :P
2025-05-14 18:18:25 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-05-14 18:18:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:18:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2025-05-14 18:18:39 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> g'day folks. joining the late party
2025-05-14 18:19:33 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm still of the mindset that we should split up the pr to change separate releases separately.  switching epel9 to xz (to be consistent with epel8) is a unique change that belongs in it's own pr.  and we can roll out zstd to epel10 in epel10.1 and leave epel10.0 on gz so we're not changing things during summit.
2025-05-14 18:20:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> can we just decide now so we don't miss the 10.1 after already missing 10.0 :)
2025-05-14 18:21:05 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if any of this backfires in an unforseen way, our options really are to revert the whole thing rather than just the specific broken part
2025-05-14 18:21:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> reverting it piecemeal wouldn't work either because there would be git conflicts
2025-05-14 18:22:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe that is why he's asking to break it into two merge requests.
2025-05-14 18:22:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That way, if the epel10 stuff breaks, we'll still have the epel9 changes in effect.
2025-05-14 18:23:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm saying that if you want to revert one piece or the other it still wouldn't work
2025-05-14 18:23:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Well, the breakage will be people complaining that they can't use mergerepos_c I would guess...
2025-05-14 18:23:44 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-14 18:23:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-05-14 18:23:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hey, let me check something.
2025-05-14 18:24:04 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> robby's ears must have been burning
2025-05-14 18:24:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte  ... glad you could make it.
2025-05-14 18:25:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: Ah, I see now ... because you broke things out ... you can't do just the epel9 stuff, because the epel9 stuff wasn't there before the change.
2025-05-14 18:25:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-05-14 18:25:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's not independent
2025-05-14 18:25:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> but it can be
2025-05-14 18:25:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> stream 10 seems to use xz
2025-05-14 18:26:24 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i see gz and xz https://mirror.stream.centos.org/10-stream/BaseOS/x86_64/os/repodata/
2025-05-14 18:26:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (with compat so gz also)
2025-05-14 18:26:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2025-05-14 18:27:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> actually this is default gz, with xz for the sqlite and comps
2025-05-14 18:27:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> how about 1 PR but two commits? (I really wish Phabricator took over the world, this is why you want stacked Diffs - basically stacked PRs)
2025-05-14 18:27:31 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> because createrepo lets you do all kinds of weird mixes like this
2025-05-14 18:27:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> then you can just put up a revert PR that revert one commit
2025-05-14 18:29:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, thats all details. We need to decide if we want to land the epel10 part, the epel9 part or both before we care about how they are setup. ;)
2025-05-14 18:29:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> right. I think getting hung up on how to do the PR is something we can trust the implementer to do, surely
2025-05-14 18:29:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm totally for the epel9 part.
2025-05-14 18:29:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah putting two commits in one pr makes it easier to revert one or the other, but you're still making the changes at the same time
2025-05-14 18:30:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm for doing the epel10, because I'm being selfish and I want my stuff faster.
2025-05-14 18:32:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't care much at this point, but if we land them both I man lean on people here to explain to any folks who complain how to work around it/whats going on. ;)
2025-05-14 18:32:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't care much at this point, but if we land them both I may lean on people here to explain to any folks who complain how to work around it/whats going on. ;)
2025-05-14 18:32:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let's do it then
2025-05-14 18:32:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> bias for action
2025-05-14 18:33:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have an email we can send out with the workarounds?  I believe there is a build on copr somewhere, correct?
2025-05-14 18:33:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-05-14 18:33:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> its linked in that jira
2025-05-14 18:33:56 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> "bias for action" is not equivalent to "do it my way because i don't want to split the pr in two"
2025-05-14 18:36:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I will quit my 'fence-sitting' and say I'm for going all in and doing it, change epel9 to xz and epel10 to zstd ... how it's done, I don't care.
2025-05-14 18:37:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it would be fine for most everyone. Only the corner case...
2025-05-14 18:39:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think splitting the PR into two, or two commits, or leave it as it is ... those are all details.   But I believe we're in agreement that we should do it, correct?
2025-05-14 18:39:15 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Agreed
2025-05-14 18:40:13 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yes, i don't think anyone has disagreed that these are positive changes to make
2025-05-14 18:41:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, let's put that in the issue, and then the details can be figured out.
2025-05-14 18:42:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe the details can be worked out offline ... or at least out of meeting.
2025-05-14 18:42:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so did we want to vote here? or ?
2025-05-14 18:43:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> with no dissent on "if" we make the change, is a vote necessary?  i think it will be unanimous plus ones
2025-05-14 18:44:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep  ... I'm sorry, let's make it official, sometimes I'm too relaxed sometimes.  
2025-05-14 18:45:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> All in favor of changing epel9 to xz and epel10 to zstd, give a +1, if you are against, -1, neutral 0
2025-05-14 18:45:18 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-14 18:45:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-14 18:45:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1 I guess... just to get it over with. ;)
2025-05-14 18:45:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-05-14 18:46:16 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-14 18:47:31 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> +1
2025-05-14 18:47:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !agreed We have agreed to change epel9 repodata to xz and epel 10 repodata to zstd  For: 6(+1) 0(0) 0(-1)
2025-05-14 18:47:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, we can put that in the issue ... I'm going to move on.
2025-05-14 18:48:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-05-14 18:48:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have any Old Business that anyone wants to bring up?
2025-05-14 18:49:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll take that as a no ...
2025-05-14 18:49:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-05-14 18:49:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do have one thing for Open Floor.
2025-05-14 18:50:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we want to have a meeting next week?  Several people will be at Red hat Summit.
2025-05-14 18:50:24 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm ok with skipping next week
2025-05-14 18:50:29 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm fine cancelling
2025-05-14 18:50:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> with so many people out it would be a short meeting anyways
2025-05-14 18:51:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya, and I wouldn't feel good having anything 'resolved' with so many people gone.
2025-05-14 18:53:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to cancel it.  Give everyone an hour of their life back, except those at Summit, they already are going to be spending that hour of life.
2025-05-14 18:53:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone else have anything for Open Floor?
2025-05-14 18:54:18 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> rhel10?
2025-05-14 18:54:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> never heard of it
2025-05-14 18:54:59 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i heard it's not-quite-ga 😉
2025-05-14 18:55:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil gave a cookie to kevin. They now have 736 cookies, 9 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-14 18:55:36 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> seriously though, great work on C10S and everything y'all.
2025-05-14 18:55:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm sure most here have noticed bits but no announcement, which apparently is how rh does things now.  regardless of that, we've started syncing it to batcave so we can switch the epel10.0 buildroot to it.  https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/2623#
2025-05-14 18:56:08 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh boy!
2025-05-14 18:58:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else for Open Floor ?
2025-05-14 18:59:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to call it a meeting.
2025-05-14 18:59:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> in the nick of time
2025-05-14 18:59:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank ya'll for the good discussions, decisions, and work.  And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2025-05-14 18:59:53 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> thanks Troy
2025-05-14 18:59:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to ya'll in two weeks, and some of you sooner.
2025-05-14 19:00:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks Troy Dawson!
2025-05-14 19:00:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting