2025-05-28 18:00:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-05-14)
2025-05-28 18:00:30 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-28 18:00:29 UTC
2025-05-28 18:00:30 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-05-14)'
2025-05-28 18:00:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-05-28 18:00:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-05-28 18:00:35 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-05-28 18:00:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-05-28 18:00:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik
2025-05-28 18:00:52 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-28 18:00:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:00:59 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-28 18:01:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:01:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera and Robby Callicotte 
2025-05-28 18:01:15 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-28 18:01:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:01:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George 
2025-05-28 18:01:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-05-28 18:01:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:01:54 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-28 18:01:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2025-05-28 18:02:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-28 18:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:02:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon Jonathan Wright and Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-28 18:03:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> we should start inviting Robby here :P
2025-05-28 18:03:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby beat you by several minutes. ;)
2025-05-28 18:04:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh doh
2025-05-28 18:04:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> well this is a good start then :)
2025-05-28 18:04:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> :)
2025-05-28 18:05:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-05-28 18:05:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-05-28 18:05:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have two open items, but they are both the same ones as last week.
2025-05-28 18:05:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll pick the oldest one first this week.
2025-05-28 18:05:40 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i can summarize the progress on the selinux one
2025-05-28 18:05:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 328
2025-05-28 18:05:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**
2025-05-28 18:05:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-05-28 18:05:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 16 hours ago
2025-05-28 18:05:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa
2025-05-28 18:05:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-05-28 18:05:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Go for it.
2025-05-28 18:06:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we now have selinux-policy-extra subpackages, built from the main spec file
2025-05-28 18:06:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the latest build has it, and is in the current compose, but he new subpackages aren't included in the compose yet
2025-05-28 18:07:02 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i've got a pr open to add those, it might need some adjustments but it's on the way
2025-05-28 18:07:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, I'll stop emoji'ing everything.  That sounds like good progress.
2025-05-28 18:07:55 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> after that we should verify but i think we'll be good to go on these getting installed by default.  eventually we should switch the epel-release recommends from -epel to -extra, but there is a provides so it will keep working as-is for now.
2025-05-28 18:08:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-28 18:08:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:08:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-05-28 18:08:19 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'll also note that as far as i can tell this is only happening for 10.1, and 10.0 is SOL
2025-05-28 18:08:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> can we make sure the main package does not get pushed out until the new subpackages are in?
2025-05-28 18:08:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> or it does not matter anyway
2025-05-28 18:08:54 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i don't think it matters, as the removals have already happened
2025-05-28 18:09:52 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i've got a note to follow up on this in six months after rhel 10.1 is released to make sure it works as expected everywhere
2025-05-28 18:10:23 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i think that covers everything, unless there are any more questions
2025-05-28 18:10:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.  Thank you for staying on top of this.
2025-05-28 18:10:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other questions before we move on?
2025-05-28 18:11:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Should we close the ticket? or keep it for tracking?
2025-05-28 18:11:16 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i think open for tracking, but drop the meeting tag
2025-05-28 18:11:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there is probably a bug that needs to be fixed in the new packages with scriptlets
2025-05-28 18:11:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but other than that it should be okay
2025-05-28 18:12:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just merged and released builds for selinux-policy-epel so image builds don't fail anymore
2025-05-28 18:12:16 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-05-28 18:12:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-05-28 18:12:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this will need to be ported to selinux-policy-extra
2025-05-28 18:12:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you Conan Kudo 
2025-05-28 18:12:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2025-05-28 18:13:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think with that, I'm going to move on to the next issue.
2025-05-28 18:13:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 330
2025-05-28 18:13:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Maybe
2025-05-28 18:14:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 330
2025-05-28 18:14:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-05-28 18:14:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a day ago
2025-05-28 18:14:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** ngompa
2025-05-28 18:14:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by carlwgeorge
2025-05-28 18:14:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #330** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/330):**switch EPEL 10 to zstd repodata**
2025-05-28 18:14:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm pretty sure this was implemented last time ... do we need to talk about this still?
2025-05-28 18:14:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> can close I guess?
2025-05-28 18:14:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> we should probably discuss the aftermath
2025-05-28 18:14:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nah, we're basically done
2025-05-28 18:14:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> cern was broken too. ;)
2025-05-28 18:15:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ouch ... CBS and CERN ... all the C's :)
2025-05-28 18:15:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least the fix is easy
2025-05-28 18:15:58 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> in hindsight, we definitely should have waited until the necessary createrepo_c was live in rhel 9, not just centos 9
2025-05-28 18:16:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> perhaps
2025-05-28 18:16:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or provide an alternative createrepo package in epel with it
2025-05-28 18:16:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> one of the two
2025-05-28 18:16:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that would have been so much more work that just waiting
2025-05-28 18:16:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> when we talked about he mergerepo thing i didn't realize it affected koji, i was just thinking of the "mirror that keeps old packages" use case
2025-05-28 18:16:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> likewise
2025-05-28 18:17:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or rather I thought of the "flitered repo" case which is rare in itself
2025-05-28 18:17:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> the orig repo/issue was a koji instance.
2025-05-28 18:17:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> yep
2025-05-28 18:17:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (when fedora switched)
2025-05-28 18:17:57 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> to clarify, what i meant by "affected koji" was "epel as an external repo in koji"
2025-05-28 18:18:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, it's done...
2025-05-28 18:18:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2025-05-28 18:18:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So ... we're ok closing this?
2025-05-28 18:18:47 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> fabian was definitely correct in the centos-infra issue that we should have announced the switch as well
2025-05-28 18:19:03 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah this is all retrospective, live and learn observations
2025-05-28 18:19:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, moving on.
2025-05-28 18:19:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> no other action necessary afaict, should be good to close and move on
2025-05-28 18:19:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-05-28 18:20:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> One old business I want to bring up, is actually new business .... elections.
2025-05-28 18:20:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's technically not official yet, because the elections are still happening, but it's semi-official ... that we have our 3 new elected committee members.
2025-05-28 18:21:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f42-elections-voting-is-now-open/
2025-05-28 18:21:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> congratulations Robby Callicotte 👏
2025-05-28 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im>     Neal Gompa (ngompa)
2025-05-28 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im>     Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte)
2025-05-28 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The candidates for election equal the number of open seats, so by default, the following candidates will be elected to the EPEL Steering Committee on June 2, 2025. We will not hold a ballot box for this election.
2025-05-28 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 
2025-05-28 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im>     Davide Cavalca (dcavalca)
2025-05-28 18:21:57 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Congrats 🙂
2025-05-28 18:22:03 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> :)
2025-05-28 18:22:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Congratulations Davide Cavalca Conan Kudo and Robby Callicotte 
2025-05-28 18:22:28 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Welcome Robby Callicotte and welcome back Conan Kudo and Davide Cavalca 
2025-05-28 18:22:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and of course, thank you for your service Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-28 18:22:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thanks everybody!
2025-05-28 18:22:40 <@davide:cavalca.name> thanks!
2025-05-28 18:22:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yes, thank you very much Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-28 18:22:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thank you for your service Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-28 18:22:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> congrats Robby Callicotte , I'm sure you'll do a good job
2025-05-28 18:23:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah I wanted to bring this up -- we don't have a real election since there are exactly the same number of candidates as open seats :)
2025-05-28 18:23:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's been a pleasure to serve, and I'll still see y'all around, but I feel like I need to reduce my time commitment since I also have to co-chair a CentOS SIG now
2025-05-28 18:24:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have any other Old Business?
2025-05-28 18:25:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i saw semantic_version got retired, thanks for that
2025-05-28 18:25:46 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> did you have to do that manually or did the automation get fixed up?
2025-05-28 18:25:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, ya.  I retired several packages yesterday, and cleaned up the EPEL2RHEL tacking bug.
2025-05-28 18:26:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It was manual.
2025-05-28 18:26:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's also a little different now that we have epel10.0 and epel10.1 ... but not too tricky, just have to double check things.
2025-05-28 18:27:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There was also two packages that I took off the EPEL2RHEL bug, because they were never released for 2 RHEL releases ... plus I saw internal tracking that showed they weren't being put in.
2025-05-28 18:28:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> do you think we'll get it correctly automated in the future?  or just keep it manual every six months?
2025-05-28 18:28:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I haven't cleaned up the epel9-next stuff yet ... cuz the vast majority of that is my packages and I haven't had time to rebuild them in epel9 yet.
2025-05-28 18:29:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I personally haven't had time to do any automation for it.
2025-05-28 18:29:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's not that big of a chore doign it manually every six months.  But if someone were to write some automation, I wouldn't say no to it.
2025-05-28 18:29:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh i misunderstood then, i thought we had it automated and it broke with epel10
2025-05-28 18:30:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No ... we just say it's automated in the bug ... because it was the plan when we were implementing it.
2025-05-28 18:31:00 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> hehe, so my misunderstanding is based on that then 😀
2025-05-28 18:31:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That wording does keep people from messing with the packages though.
2025-05-28 18:31:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> maybe that's something the epel cle team can take on, i'll schedule a meeting so we can go over where all the moving pieces are
2025-05-28 18:31:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That sounds great.
2025-05-28 18:32:08 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i hear Diego Herrera likes automation
2025-05-28 18:32:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds like a volunteer. :)
2025-05-28 18:32:47 <@dherrera:fedora.im> happy to help with it ÑD
2025-05-28 18:33:01 <@dherrera:fedora.im> happy to help with it :D
2025-05-28 18:33:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Diego Herrera: Thanks .... contact me after the meeting and I can go over some details.
2025-05-28 18:33:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else before we move to Open Floor?
2025-05-28 18:34:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i guess this counts as old business, in case anyone missed it https://fosstodon.org/@carlwgeorge/114540956305441322
2025-05-28 18:34:52 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the day of the rhel 10 launch epel 10 was up over 17k packages
2025-05-28 18:36:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and importantly, working KDE on day zero
2025-05-28 18:37:04 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i think that's it for old biz, let's do open floor (i've got two things)
2025-05-28 18:37:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-05-28 18:38:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: go for it.
2025-05-28 18:38:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've got one thing, incase you aren't coving mine.
2025-05-28 18:38:35 <@dherrera:fedora.im> 2nd old business?
2025-05-28 18:39:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the epel cle team (me and Diego Herrera) are trialing an agile workflow in https://codeberg.org/fedora/epel/issues
2025-05-28 18:39:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-05-28 18:39:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://codeberg.org/fedora/epel/issues
2025-05-28 18:39:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> codeberg!
2025-05-28 18:39:59 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we intend to migrate that over to the fedora forgejo instance in the future (repo name tbd)
2025-05-28 18:40:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if anyone is curious about the work we have ongoing, especially around our milestones like rhel releases and mass branching, that's the place to go
2025-05-28 18:41:11 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we're new at the agile stuff, and figuring it out as we go, so if anything doesn't make sense feel free to ask
2025-05-28 18:41:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> cool
2025-05-28 18:42:01 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'll also note the due dates for the milestones are very approximate, and should not be interpreted as any kind of commitment on the rhel side
2025-05-28 18:42:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Could we get that somewhere on the EPEL pages, even if it's hidden somewhere, so I can find it if I don't have my bookmarks.
2025-05-28 18:42:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> the project board looks quite nice
2025-05-28 18:42:30 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> really we just have the due dates to sort the milestones appropriately
2025-05-28 18:42:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> how hard is it to clone it for the next sprint? since e.g. I assume you want to carry over your backlog
2025-05-28 18:42:49 <@dherrera:fedora.im> mostly manual
2025-05-28 18:43:16 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i would prefer to not add that until we migrate to the fedora forgejo instance tbh
2025-05-28 18:43:31 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> The EPEL x86_64_v2 rebuild for stream/kitten is out/live/published/announced.  Rebuild is ongoing for 10.0.  Have had a surprising amount of interest in 10 v2 stuff.  No confusion (so far).
2025-05-28 18:43:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK.  I've got it bookmarked ... and I'm fine with waiting.
2025-05-28 18:44:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> there are kinda multiple backlogs.  everything not in a sprint (a forgejo project board) is the real backlog, then each sprint has a backlog column for things we haven't labeled for gain/trouble yet.
2025-05-28 18:45:09 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I've noticed a few areas that we can further improve separation/clarity if it becomes an issue.  Our repo file is still just `epel.repo` and the repo name within it is just `epel` and that can be changed if these cause problems.
2025-05-28 18:45:38 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> can we put a pin in the alma epel thing until i'm done
2025-05-28 18:45:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright: Does your epel rebuild deal with side-tags?  Because nowdays that's how I'm building KDE, a massive side tag.
2025-05-28 18:46:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, pin pokes.
2025-05-28 18:46:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, pin poked.
2025-05-28 18:46:28 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Honestly I'm not totally sure, but I can only assume so because things that totally wouldn't build without a side-tag have been fine.
2025-05-28 18:46:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that's it for the codeberg thing, happy to talk about more details in the channel after the meeting
2025-05-28 18:46:42 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the other thing i had was rhel extensions
2025-05-28 18:46:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah, the EPEL rebuild thing?
2025-05-28 18:46:59 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Carl George: was also wondering about this, so I'll get some clarification on it from the build/release team.
2025-05-28 18:47:06 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Carl George: was also wondering about this too, so I'll get some clarification on it from the build/release team.
2025-05-28 18:47:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/unleashing-innovation-rhel-extensions-repository
2025-05-28 18:48:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> as described to me, this should primarily be "rebuilt and resigned subset of epel packages that rhel customers want from a vendor instead of a community repo"
2025-05-28 18:48:53 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> so basically, if you are happy enabling epel, you can completely ignore it
2025-05-28 18:49:27 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that said, the first two packages are htop and podman-desktop, and the latter is not yet in fedora or epel, so there will be exceptions
2025-05-28 18:49:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> if someone turns it on *and* EPEL what would happen?
2025-05-28 18:49:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> they should not, but I bet someone would
2025-05-28 18:49:50 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> then you have two repos, highest nvr wins
2025-05-28 18:49:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> presumably then they're out of support, and the EPEL packages are likely newer so... things should work?
2025-05-28 18:50:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> this mgiht be when they should enable vendor pinning 
2025-05-28 18:50:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> enabling epel doesn't invalidate support, you just don't get support for packages from epel.  extensions packages are also unsupported.
2025-05-28 18:50:36 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> extensions seems more for highly regulated shops... you woulndt be able to enable epel anyway if the requirement is extensions
2025-05-28 18:50:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> though then we might get spurious issues in EPEL if some packages become uninstallable because it needs dependencies to be upgraded and they're pinned
2025-05-28 18:51:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's probably a very minor corner case and we should not worry about it anyway :)
2025-05-28 18:51:33 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i hammered on the pm pretty hard about the importance of this not diverging from epel, i.e. getting ahead of or lagging far behind
2025-05-28 18:51:52 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> this could also be an avenue for some crb runtime deps to move to appstream
2025-05-28 18:52:06 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I think this is going to cause some confusion for RHEL customers that are also EPEL users, especially if/when/as things conflict, but it's not an issue for the EPEL community at large.
2025-05-28 18:52:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> best case scenario is this gets more hatters involved in epel maintenance
2025-05-28 18:52:28 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> But yeah this could be the upside.
2025-05-28 18:52:29 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> So we might see PRs from some RH folks is all?
2025-05-28 18:52:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh getting ahead would be bad
2025-05-28 18:52:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> basically yeah
2025-05-28 18:52:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> falling behind not so much... but yeah if they make changes ahead of EPEL I sure hope they contribute back
2025-05-28 18:52:58 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> this is for rhel customers who complain that they can't use epel
2025-05-28 18:53:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I wouldn't think there would be users using both... at least not if they know what each is.
2025-05-28 18:53:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> this might be related, at Summit last week Davide Cavalca had an idea to have a dnf plugin that will help you file a bug for a package
2025-05-28 18:53:39 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Oh true, so I guess it should be a relatively small bit of confusion.  Again, not really our problem as EPEL.  We should only see benefit from it in the form of contributions hopefully.
2025-05-28 18:53:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> probably does not need to be a DNF plugin, since there's also flatpak etc to consider - but anyway, identify where a binary artifact come from and point users to the right place to file bugs based on metadata
2025-05-28 18:53:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since there will be packages that are only available in there but not epel, I think it'll happen
2025-05-28 18:54:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that's all i had, so the floor is open again if Jonathan Wright wants to talk about the alma epel v2 thing
2025-05-28 18:54:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as of now I know of only one (podman-desktop)
2025-05-28 18:54:22 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Nah I said all I had.  More of just an FYI that it's out there in the wild now.
2025-05-28 18:54:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do have one quick thing.
2025-05-28 18:54:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure, that could happen...
2025-05-28 18:54:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but at Summit I was told it's not an epel-only thing
2025-05-28 18:54:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Are we ok not haveing our meeting next week due to Flock?
2025-05-28 18:55:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-05-28 18:55:01 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> We can just party in person and drink and meet.  This meeting time should line up with dinner time in EU right?
2025-05-28 18:55:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-05-28 18:55:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we'll get plastered instead
2025-05-28 18:55:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> the next week is devconf.cz
2025-05-28 18:55:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> do we want to skip both?
2025-05-28 18:55:24 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> enjoy flock, folks.
2025-05-28 18:55:36 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Good point.  Should we skip 2?
2025-05-28 18:55:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No, the next week is in between Flock and devconf ... but I wont' be available for that either.
2025-05-28 18:55:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would be around but I would prefer to cancel anyway
2025-05-28 18:55:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh right technically devconf starts on the 12th
2025-05-28 18:56:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm ok with a double skip
2025-05-28 18:56:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> and Davide Cavalca and I will be working out of London at the next next next meeting
2025-05-28 18:56:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm good with a double skip as well. 
2025-05-28 18:56:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> (though I won't matter anymore at that time ;p)
2025-05-28 18:56:46 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> +1 for double-skip
2025-05-28 18:56:46 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> If we skip actual devconf it'd be a triple-skip I guess?
2025-05-28 18:57:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> double - flock and devconf
2025-05-28 18:57:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll be around for the week after devconf.cz, but not the week after that since I'll be at openSUSE Conference
2025-05-28 18:57:20 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> no just double, skip on june 4th and 11th, meet again on the 18th
2025-05-28 18:57:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> devconf is just a few days starting Thu
2025-05-28 18:57:57 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Ahh, I'm doing flock but not devconf so I was mis-remembering the schedule
2025-05-28 18:58:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So if anyone is traveling to devconf, they will be traveling on wedensday ... ok, sounds like a double skip.
2025-05-28 18:58:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> we don't seem to have a conflict the week after, though it's 7-8 pm in London so tbh I suspect you won't see me and Davide on the 18th
2025-05-28 18:58:14 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> lets start over with how many people are actually going to be unavailable each date
2025-05-28 18:58:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've got to close this meeting on time today .... Jonathan Wright are you ok bringin your stuff over to the EPEL channel?
2025-05-28 18:58:35 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> dial in from a bar and show us the good time you're having 😉
2025-05-28 18:58:38 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I was done :)
2025-05-28 18:58:38 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if over half the steering committee is out then it should be a skip, but if we have more than half we could keep the meeting
2025-05-28 18:59:03 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'll miss the 4th, but will be available on the 11th
2025-05-28 18:59:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm gone for both days (4 and 11)
2025-05-28 18:59:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> you know how piss poor reception is in London right? ;)
2025-05-28 18:59:28 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (oh do I ...)
2025-05-28 18:59:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's good for disconnecting but public wifi does not seem a thing and reception indoors tend to be ... super bad
2025-05-28 18:59:39 <@davide:cavalca.name> Yeah realistically we will miss this one
2025-05-28 19:00:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm gone on the 4th, 11th, and the 25th, but it's also likely I'll be gone on the 18th too
2025-05-28 19:01:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, I'm not on a different call ... what was the consensus?
2025-05-28 19:01:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> don't we hate conference travel season
2025-05-28 19:01:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> so I count that we're down 1-2 people on the 18th (Davide, maybe Neal)
2025-05-28 19:01:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> Neal is out on the 25th, nobody else said they are
2025-05-28 19:02:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> sounds to me like far too many of us are unavailable on the 4th so that's an easy skip
2025-05-28 19:02:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah I assume we're skipping 4th and 11th
2025-05-28 19:02:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> that's 8-9 pm in Brno so even though devconf has not started, anyone going to devconf will be there already
2025-05-28 19:02:59 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i think we're only missing davide and neal (of committee members) on the 11th, so we could in theory still have that meeting
2025-05-28 19:04:02 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh and troy too
2025-05-28 19:04:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> (re-reading all the messages)
2025-05-28 19:05:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, sounds like we're just going to skip next week, and then someone else can host on the 11th.
2025-05-28 19:05:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i got it
2025-05-28 19:05:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.
2025-05-28 19:05:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> 4/7 members could go either way, keep it or skip, but if we keep it i can run it since troy is out
2025-05-28 19:06:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Let's keep it on the 11th.
2025-05-28 19:07:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And with that, I'm going to close the meeting.   Thank you all for all your discussions and all the work you do for EPEL and the EPEL community.
2025-05-28 19:07:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting