2025-07-30 17:59:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-07-30)
2025-07-30 17:59:59 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-07-30 17:59:58 UTC
2025-07-30 17:59:59 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-07-30)'
2025-07-30 18:00:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-07-30 18:00:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-07-30 18:00:07 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-07-30 18:00:10 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-30 18:00:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-07-30 18:00:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera 
2025-07-30 18:01:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-07-30 18:02:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2025-07-30 18:03:13 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-30 18:03:14 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-07-30 18:03:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George 
2025-07-30 18:03:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We're a little light today.  Is there a conference on?
2025-07-30 18:05:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-07-30 18:05:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 
2025-07-30 18:05:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-07-30 18:05:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We don't have any issues, or Pull Requests marked with Meeting.
2025-07-30 18:06:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't see any in either that really need to be talked about ... so ... moving on
2025-07-30 18:06:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-07-30 18:06:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk slowly as I bring up the one thing I can think of for old business
2025-07-30 18:07:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> While I wait for Carl to make it to his desk.
2025-07-30 18:08:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was wondering what the decision was for the Office Hours.
2025-07-30 18:08:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> fossy starts tomorrow
2025-07-30 18:08:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ahh ... that explains alot.
2025-07-30 18:09:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> nirik: You are close ... are you going to go to that?
2025-07-30 18:09:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> For old biz, Jonathan Wright @jonathanspw:fedora.imhas an incompatible update that needs epel-announce posts to go to stable
2025-07-30 18:09:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> @jonathanspw:fedora.im has an incompatible update that needs epel-announce posts to go to stable
2025-07-30 18:09:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> For old biz, 
2025-07-30 18:09:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I saw a post attempt ... did that make it through ...
2025-07-30 18:10:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. I will be there thur/fri/sat (I have to bug out sat afternoon tho)
2025-07-30 18:11:07 <@smooge:fedora.im> I have nothing for old business... my sciatica cleared up and my rheumatism is doing better
2025-07-30 18:11:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That is good to hear ... Oldness is hard.
2025-07-30 18:12:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I litterally told some young punks to get off my lawn this week, and thought of you.
2025-07-30 18:13:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, the epel-announce was from Ben Beasley, for UV, not Jonathon.
2025-07-30 18:13:39 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-30 18:13:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-07-30 18:13:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2025-07-30 18:13:46 <@elguero:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-30 18:13:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (elguero)
2025-07-30 18:13:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michael L. Young 
2025-07-30 18:14:14 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm happy to hear this! 
2025-07-30 18:14:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Have you pinged Jonathan about sending out the email?
2025-07-30 18:16:40 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> Yup
2025-07-30 18:17:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, well, he knows, I'll leave it to him then.
2025-07-30 18:17:14 <@smooge:fedora.im> I thought he sent one
2025-07-30 18:17:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I looked, and in my mailbox, it's only from Ben Beasely, not Jonathan ... unless it got filtered someplace unusual for me.
2025-07-30 18:18:41 <@dherrera:fedora.im> he sent one on the topic on epel-devel
2025-07-30 18:19:41 <@dherrera:fedora.im> (I imagine it's about the netplan, right?)
2025-07-30 18:19:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Correct
2025-07-30 18:20:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to move on to Open Floor.
2025-07-30 18:20:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-07-30 18:20:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Next week is the usual week for our Office Hours
2025-07-30 18:21:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know we are planning on going to every 2 weeks ... but I couldn't remember if it's for an hour or 30 minutes.
2025-07-30 18:22:40 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> 30min
2025-07-30 18:23:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good ... 
2025-07-30 18:23:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have anything else for Open Floor?
2025-07-30 18:23:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> With so many people not here, I'm fine with a very short meeting if there isn't anything to talk about.
2025-07-30 18:24:56 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I have a topic/question
2025-07-30 18:25:01 <@dherrera:fedora.im> gimme a second
2025-07-30 18:25:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Diego Herrera: Go for it
2025-07-30 18:25:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh, I had a small item too
2025-07-30 18:25:49 <@davide:cavalca.name> Sorry just saw this now 
2025-07-30 18:25:57 <@davide:cavalca.name> Michel and I are traveling for fossy
2025-07-30 18:26:23 <@michel-slm:matrix.org> !hi
2025-07-30 18:26:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-07-30 18:26:37 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-07-30 18:26:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-07-30 18:26:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca and Mi.ʃɛl Lɪnd 
2025-07-30 18:28:18 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Right now I was working on checking if the packages already landed on Stream/RHEL depending on which epel version they belong to, my current approach is to lift a container and ask through dnf, but I feel it's a bit overkill
2025-07-30 18:28:18 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I've been working on the automation part of the EPEL2RHEL process, I started by building a playbook that lists the packages that need to get retired from epel by checking open tickets on bugzilla that depend on the EPEL2RHEL ticket.
2025-07-30 18:29:07 <@dherrera:fedora.im> wanted to ask if anyone has better ideas/approaches to deal with this :)
2025-07-30 18:29:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Using a container is lighter than I usually do, which is have a VM for each release and check in there.
2025-07-30 18:30:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> wish rhel/stream had something like mdapi. ;(
2025-07-30 18:30:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I have them for more than just that check, but since I have them, that's what I do.
2025-07-30 18:31:04 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> Repoqueries are my number 1 usage of containers
2025-07-30 18:31:18 <@dherrera:fedora.im> maybe it's not that bad of an approach after all then
2025-07-30 18:32:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> nirik: What is mdapi ?  and what does it do?
2025-07-30 18:33:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://mdapi.fedoraproject.org/
2025-07-30 18:33:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> exposes an api you can use to query repodata
2025-07-30 18:33:29 <@dherrera:fedora.im> i've worked with that before, it's really cool ^^
2025-07-30 18:33:48 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2025-07-30 18:33:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's got some issues right now, but the idea is sound/great. ;)
2025-07-30 18:33:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2025-07-30 18:33:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2025-07-30 18:34:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Jonathan Wright 
2025-07-30 18:34:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> nirik: You said you had something for Open Floor also ... I'm always very worried when you say you have some little thing ... but go for it.
2025-07-30 18:35:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ha. Just a FYI/check if anyone has any problems merging https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/pull-request/86 ?
2025-07-30 18:37:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... so he's putting it in epel-release too ... it also is in centos-stream-release and will probrubly be in next weeks push to mirrors.
2025-07-30 18:37:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> no, not in epel-release.
2025-07-30 18:37:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but I guess the idea is that this overrides the stream one if epel-rpm-macros are installed...
2025-07-30 18:37:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> " Oh, he says in the comment "the idea is that it should and EPEL should override it." ... so it's on purpose ... ok.
2025-07-30 18:38:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, so epel packages will have the epel one...
2025-07-30 18:39:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> My only problem with the whole thing is the name ... cuz to me, in my head, it sounds like perl ... so when I'm talking about it, it's confusing.
2025-07-30 18:40:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah... they could have just made it package_url or pkgurl or something, but oh well, people don't like to type
2025-07-30 18:40:55 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> seems like there is much more backstory to this that i should read up on
2025-07-30 18:41:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's already in stream and fedora-releases...
2025-07-30 18:41:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, without this I guess epel packages will start showing stream for purl...
2025-07-30 18:41:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (well, 10.1 packages)
2025-07-30 18:41:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yes, there is some back story, I held off on merging it for almost a week to make sure it didn't get pulled right back out.
2025-07-30 18:41:53 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> to be clear i'm not blocking merging this, just stating that i'm totally unfamiliar with this purl stuff and should probably educate myself
2025-07-30 18:42:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> sorry i didn't notice this when it was opened a week ago and start reading up on it then
2025-07-30 18:42:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess we need this also pushed to 10.0 right?
2025-07-30 18:42:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (well, if rhel adds it, but dunno if thats happening)
2025-07-30 18:43:11 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> probably.  what i would do is merge the pr, then merge epel10 back to epel10.0, build from epel10.0, and then tag for both 10.0 and 10.1
2025-07-30 18:43:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if it's not happening in rhel 10.0, then we can probably also skip epel10.0
2025-07-30 18:43:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sure. You want to do that? :) Or I can, but my todo list is longish.
2025-07-30 18:43:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For RHEL it looks like it's just for 10.1 and 10.2
2025-07-30 18:43:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, just merge and build then...
2025-07-30 18:44:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I could just do that now if there's no objections?
2025-07-30 18:44:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So getting it to epel 10.0 doesn't seem necessary, but also wouldn't hurt.
2025-07-30 18:44:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, we can always do it later if we need to...
2025-07-30 18:44:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i guess in this case there isn't a need to keep the nvr the same like with epel-release, so we could merge and build for 10.1 now, then do 10.0 later if we find out we need it
2025-07-30 18:45:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2025-07-30 18:45:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, thats all I had
2025-07-30 18:45:18 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> nirik: since your plate is full i can take care of this if you like
2025-07-30 18:45:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think this is public, if not, I apologize - https://issues.redhat.com/browse/RHEL-104977
2025-07-30 18:46:03 <@dherrera:fedora.im> (it is)
2025-07-30 18:46:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool.  Then ya'll can see what I'm talking about.
2025-07-30 18:46:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Carl George: sure, go for it and thanks!
2025-07-30 18:46:47 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> will read just a bit more on this for my own sake, then merge and build for at least 10.1
2025-07-30 18:47:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else for Open Floor?
2025-07-30 18:49:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else for meeting?  Or are we ok ending a little early?
2025-07-30 18:49:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.
2025-07-30 18:49:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming, the conversations, and all that you do for EPEL and it's community.
2025-07-30 18:50:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to ya'll next week ... and see ya'll at next weeks Open Office (purely optional)
2025-07-30 18:50:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> thanks Troy Dawson
2025-07-30 18:50:54 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Thanks Troy ^^
2025-07-30 18:51:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting