2025-10-22 17:59:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-10-22)
2025-10-22 17:59:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-10-22 17:59:40 UTC
2025-10-22 17:59:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-10-22)'
2025-10-22 17:59:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-10-22 17:59:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-10-22 17:59:49 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-10-22 18:00:54 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-10-22 18:00:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-10-22 18:01:16 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-22 18:01:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-10-22 18:01:18 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-22 18:01:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-10-22 18:01:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca Carl George and Diego Herrera 
2025-10-22 18:03:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... might be a light week this week
2025-10-22 18:03:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-10-22 18:04:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2025-10-22 18:05:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... I just noticed that my laptop is a minute ahead of the real time ... odd ... but ... let's get started.
2025-10-22 18:05:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-10-22 18:05:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-10-22 18:05:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/pull-requests?status=Open&tags=meeting
2025-10-22 18:05:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The only ticket or pull request marked with meeting, we talked about last week ...
2025-10-22 18:06:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 351
2025-10-22 18:06:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-22 18:06:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-22 18:06:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a week ago
2025-10-22 18:06:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 weeks ago by scuttlefish42
2025-10-22 18:06:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #351** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/351):**Beta Software Released On Main EPEL Channel**
2025-10-22 18:06:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't see anything new in the issue ... Did we want to discuss this again?
2025-10-22 18:06:59 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> no comment from the maintainer since we gave feedback from the meeting
2025-10-22 18:07:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, just keep this one on hold until we hear back?   I'm ok with that.
2025-10-22 18:07:47 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> sounds like a plan
2025-10-22 18:08:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well ... there aren't any other things marked with meeting, so moving on. ...
2025-10-22 18:08:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2025-10-22 18:08:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there any old Business that anyone wanted to bring up?
2025-10-22 18:09:09 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !epel 347
2025-10-22 18:09:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a month ago
2025-10-22 18:09:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-10-22 18:09:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-10-22 18:09:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a month ago by carlwgeorge
2025-10-22 18:09:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #347** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/347):**EPEL vs FESCo stalled process**
2025-10-22 18:09:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> robby tried to go through the fesco process instead of the epel process for one package, but the maintainer replied last minute and gave him access
2025-10-22 18:09:58 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> so we're still looking for a package to go through the fesco process
2025-10-22 18:10:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> :)
2025-10-22 18:10:30 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that's all for that, as fesco wanted a few packages to go through the process before they consider changes
2025-10-22 18:10:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is he requesting for a purely fedora access, or epel access?
2025-10-22 18:11:06 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> he asked to be a co-maintainer for the purpose of epel, i think the maintainer gave him full commit on all branches
2025-10-22 18:11:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ah, ok.
2025-10-22 18:12:50 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> different old biz thing, not a specific issue, but how are we feeling about migrating pagure.io/epel over to forge.fpo/epel/docs?  i remember that being the general idea, and the main questions were when and if we want to split the steering issues to a separate repo.
2025-10-22 18:14:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, at least the "docs" section of pagure.io/epel over to forge.fpo/epel/docs.  I'm still feeling good about that.
2025-10-22 18:14:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there a timeline yet about when that type of migration can happen?
2025-10-22 18:14:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> whenever we're ready
2025-10-22 18:14:50 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah moving docs and tickets sounds good
2025-10-22 18:14:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... cool.
2025-10-22 18:14:59 <@davide:cavalca.name> we should use the importer so we can preserve history, especially for tickets
2025-10-22 18:15:18 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah the migration tool will do everything except labels i think, which we don't really use in pagure
2025-10-22 18:15:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it might be worth doing some stale issue cleanup before we migrate
2025-10-22 18:16:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Also need to update any docs that point to pagure... and make sure to leave a note back on pagure that it's moved.
2025-10-22 18:16:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> do we have any private tickets?
2025-10-22 18:16:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not that I know of
2025-10-22 18:16:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i don't see any, and i believe i would if they existed
2025-10-22 18:17:47 <@dherrera:fedora.im> from what I remember, they don't intend to move private tickets between platforms... not that we have any
2025-10-22 18:17:55 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> that was easy in the codeberg repo me and diego were using since it has the ability to archive a repo, but i don't think pagure does.  we'll have to fake it with a readme change i think.
2025-10-22 18:18:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah pagure doesn't have archival
2025-10-22 18:19:20 <@davide:cavalca.name> I wonder if when pagure is ultimately decommissioned, it would be possible to replace it with a small static site that just does 302s to map repos to where they were moved
2025-10-22 18:19:40 <@davide:cavalca.name> I wonder if when pagure.io is ultimately decommissioned, it would be possible to replace it with a small static site that just does 302s to map repos to where they were moved
2025-10-22 18:21:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That would be nice
2025-10-22 18:21:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Some things would still break, but at least people would end up at the right area.
2025-10-22 18:23:01 <@dherrera:fedora.im> hmm, we already have that available in some wiki pages that point to docs...
2025-10-22 18:23:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, although I feel good about this, and I believe everyone is on board, we only have three committee members here this week.  Let's not start any actual moving until after next weeks meeting.
2025-10-22 18:23:44 <@michel-slm:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-22 18:23:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-10-22 18:24:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Mi.ʃɛl Lɪnd 
2025-10-22 18:24:33 <@michel-slm:matrix.org> Hello! Just dropping in to see how things are going
2025-10-22 18:24:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there any other Old Business people want to bring up?
2025-10-22 18:25:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I had a dumb idea to toss out...
2025-10-22 18:26:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I wonder if we could make a small status page for epel somewhere/somehow that listed what epel branches exist and what they point to... then point people who are confused by the epel 10 minors to that? ie, make it more visual/easily checkable?
2025-10-22 18:27:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I mean it's not too hard anyhow, but seeing whats EOL and whats pointing to stream ,etc?
2025-10-22 18:27:24 <@davide:cavalca.name> I like this idea
2025-10-22 18:27:59 <@davide:cavalca.name> make epel.io a landing page for the project and put it there?
2025-10-22 18:28:05 <@davide:cavalca.name> right now it just redirects to the docs
2025-10-22 18:29:00 <@dherrera:fedora.im> hmm... simething like endoflife.date?
2025-10-22 18:29:20 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we have https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/branches/, what is missing from there to cover what you're looking for?
2025-10-22 18:29:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Specifics
2025-10-22 18:30:21 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> can you be more...specific?  😆
2025-10-22 18:31:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> :) ... yes ... so if someone goes here - https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/  - they will understand where to go.
2025-10-22 18:31:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> so questions to address mirroring epel, as opposed to simply consuming epel?
2025-10-22 18:32:19 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we do have https://forge.fedoraproject.org/epel/releng/issues/50 in the epel team backlog, i just haven't gotten to it yet
2025-10-22 18:32:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It doesn't have to be mirroring, but yes.  For those times when you want something other than the generic what you get from dnf.
2025-10-22 18:33:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> thinking ahead to a future where we have the setup guide for basic use (i.e. install epel-release), the branches page for maintainers, and the mirroring page for mirror admins and anyone doing custom stuff, what else would we want to cover on a hypothetical status page?
2025-10-22 18:33:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-22 18:33:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-10-22 18:34:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 😷🤒🤧  ... I'd ask if you were feeling better, but your icons say it all.
2025-10-22 18:34:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-10-22 18:35:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Hmm ... I think that covers it ... at least for me.
2025-10-22 18:35:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'd like to stop feeling sick sometime soon
2025-10-22 18:35:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> list of active epel branches?
2025-10-22 18:35:48 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> in theory i'm not opposed to such a page being added, but i also think we can just improve the docs to the point it's not needed
2025-10-22 18:35:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> especially with epel10+ it'll get confusing
2025-10-22 18:36:19 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> do we have a list of active fedora branches somewhere?  i think the bodhi releases page covers this.
2025-10-22 18:36:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> just an idea... still seeing people confused even after reading the docs
2025-10-22 18:36:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/releases/
2025-10-22 18:37:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> bodhi releases don't map 1:1 to branches to contributors though
2025-10-22 18:37:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least with epel10 they don't
2025-10-22 18:37:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah i see it too, i wish i had a better way to explain it.  i think bleve put it well in the channel that it's easy to grasp once you grasp it, but hard before that point
2025-10-22 18:38:09 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> they literally do, look at the branch field of a bodhi release
2025-10-22 18:38:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh hey, til
2025-10-22 18:38:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> never noticed that bit
2025-10-22 18:38:53 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah we have to set it explicitly when changing/adding releases
2025-10-22 18:39:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then I got nothin'
2025-10-22 18:39:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm just going to slink back into the corner
2025-10-22 18:39:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> e.g. part of the next mass branching will be changing EPEL-10.2 to the epel10.2 branch, and creating EPEL-10.3 mapped to the epel10 branch
2025-10-22 18:40:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> let me make some progress on the mirroring docs, then we revisit this to see what gaps we think still exist?
2025-10-22 18:40:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 👍️
2025-10-22 18:40:59 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> also open to other suggestions like notes/warning/info blocks on other docs pages
2025-10-22 18:41:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.  Thank you Carl George 
2025-10-22 18:41:50 <@dherrera:fedora.im> on this topic, maybe adding a section regarding EPEL10 to the epel-packaging page would be helpful
2025-10-22 18:42:19 <@dherrera:fedora.im> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/epel-packaging/ this one
2025-10-22 18:42:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah that would be good
2025-10-22 18:42:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah
2025-10-22 18:43:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> at least a link back to the branches page, perhaps with some added context
2025-10-22 18:43:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I think the most frequent questions seem to be from contributors... but there's also some from users.
2025-10-22 18:45:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It looks like this disucssion has died down some ... I'm going to move to Open Floor ...
2025-10-22 18:45:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-10-22 18:45:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It looks like this discussion has died down some ... I'm going to move to Open Floor ...
2025-10-22 18:46:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?
2025-10-22 18:46:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although we can continue to talk about documentation and stuff if we want.
2025-10-22 18:47:07 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I'm courious about where would documentation regarding mirroring would fit best
2025-10-22 18:47:28 <@dherrera:fedora.im> like, a new page on the "Guidelines and policies" section?
2025-10-22 18:47:40 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i was gonna write the page first, then figure out where to put it 😁
2025-10-22 18:48:21 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i think a page under "guidelines and policies" is probably as good as anything else
2025-10-22 18:49:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If I were an end user, I wouldn't be looking there.
2025-10-22 18:49:21 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> let's be realistic, 99% of users don't read the docs anyways
2025-10-22 18:49:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the docs are for us to link to when we get questions
2025-10-22 18:51:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> True
2025-10-22 18:52:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> dunno if it would help but we could also pin some info in the matrix room, or add it to the room description...
2025-10-22 18:52:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> that gets wordy tho, and people often don't really seem to see that either. ;)
2025-10-22 18:53:30 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> without peeking, does anyone actually know what we currently have pinned?
2025-10-22 18:53:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, but I peeked as soon as it was said.   I honestly didn't even know there was anything.
2025-10-22 18:54:44 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yeah i peeked too, then i thought it would be funny to see if anyone knew
2025-10-22 18:54:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't know why, but with IRC, I always saw the info at the top, but that was probrubly just my client.
2025-10-22 18:55:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the latest element doesn't even show pinned messages unless you click on the circle i icon
2025-10-22 18:56:01 <@dherrera:fedora.im> room descriptions are also hidden
2025-10-22 18:56:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We are getting close to the end of the meeting ... does anyone have any last minute stuff to bring up before we end?
2025-10-22 18:58:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to close a few minutes early.
2025-10-22 18:58:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for the good discussions.  And than you for the work that you do for EPEL and it's community.
2025-10-22 18:58:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know I say that each week, but I am really glad for all you all do.
2025-10-22 18:58:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next week.
2025-10-22 18:59:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting