01:00:03 <jlaska> #startmeeting F-13-Alpha engineering readiness meeting 01:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 4 01:00:03 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:05 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:12 <jlaska> #meetingname f-13-alpha-eng-readiness 01:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f-13-alpha-eng-readiness' 01:00:25 <jlaska> #topic Waiting for critical mass ... 01:00:37 * Oxf13 01:00:42 * poelcat 01:00:54 * adamw gets critical and massy 01:00:55 <jlaska> keep 'em coming ... who else we got? 01:01:03 <jlaska> adamw: no more twinkies! 01:01:35 <jlaska> who will play the role of devel in this feature? 01:01:42 <adamw> let's keep this puppy short, i've got a hockey game to watch! 01:01:52 <jlaska> amen 01:02:27 <jlaska> no notting, shall we proceed without? 01:02:37 <jlaska> or anyone else who can represent? 01:02:41 <Oxf13> I can play the role of notting 01:02:45 <poelcat> yes, if the answer is "let's ship" :) 01:02:49 <jlaska> alrighty! 01:03:02 <jlaska> #info adamw representing QA 01:03:07 <jlaska> #info Oxf13 representing Rel-Eng 01:03:21 <jlaska> #info Oxf13 wearing the notting mask, representing Devel 01:03:42 <jlaska> okay ... basic reminders for folks reading the minutes ... 01:03:44 <jlaska> #topic Why are we here? 01:03:49 <jlaska> #info The purpose is to decide whether the alpha has met the release criteria 01:03:54 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Alpha_Release_Criteria 01:04:09 <jlaska> nice and quick ... any questions before we dive in? 01:04:19 <adamw> also note that major british tech news sites apparently monitor our meetings for news bites 01:04:26 <adamw> so absolutely no jokes about liquor! looking at you oxf13 01:04:30 <adamw> :P 01:04:42 * Oxf13 caps his bottle 01:04:48 * jlaska debates and #agreed 01:04:55 <jlaska> alright ... sound the trumpets 01:04:57 <jlaska> #topic Go or No Go? 01:05:10 <jlaska> adamw: how are we looking on the Alpha criteria? 01:05:33 <adamw> basically okay 01:06:01 <jlaska> that doesn't sound encouraging 01:06:09 <adamw> the only bug blocking alpha is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567346 01:06:17 <jlaska> .bug 567346 01:06:21 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 567346 gpk-update-viewer does not display changelogs nor updates packages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567346 01:06:21 <adamw> but we have decided it's okay as it has a usable workaround, so we should take it off the list 01:06:45 <adamw> aside from that all we know of are a couple of 'oh, it would be nice to get that in' bugs, but nothing else that breaks the criteria. 01:07:24 <adamw> we have one 'failure' in the rc4 install validation tests, rhe's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=568706 01:07:36 <skvidal> adamw: If it would help I can pull and build a new yum for f13 with JUST that patch added to it 01:07:40 <adamw> but that seems to be a false alarm 01:08:00 <jlaska> adamw: that was my next question, how much of the planned testing has been completed? 01:08:04 <adamw> skvidal: no, the problem is we'd have to respin and revalidate all images, which we don't want to do unless we ERALLY have to 01:08:13 <skvidal> adamw: understood 01:08:15 <adamw> all desktop and install validation tests for alpha point have been run 01:08:36 <jlaska> #info all desktop and install validation tests for alpha point have been run 01:08:52 <jlaska> #info only bug blocking alpha is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567346 - we have decided it's okay as it has a usable workaround, so we should take it off the list 01:08:56 <Oxf13> adamw: that 'failure' is pilot error 01:09:07 <adamw> yep 01:09:18 <Oxf13> adamw: they started the install with one set of images, and sucked down a different set to complete the install, which... *boom* 01:10:38 <adamw> rhe logged a couple of errors for the Ext4OnNativeDevice test as well, but these are not actually failing the criteria (only if you just couldn't get any kind of ext4-on-hard disk installation done would that be the case) 01:10:58 <adamw> those are https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=568219 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=567576 , I believe those have been discussed and decided not to be blockers 01:11:00 <adamw> hey rhe 01:11:36 <adamw> aside from that, all validation tests are OK. see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_13_Alpha_RC4_Install and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_13_Alpha_RC4_Desktop 01:11:46 <rhe> adamw meeting time? 01:11:51 <jlaska> rhe: welcome :) 01:12:06 <adamw> rhe: yup, we're in it 01:12:23 <rhe> jlaska adamw okay 01:13:00 <adamw> so, yeah, summary, we're pretty confident with the test coverage that rc4 meets the criteria and can be shipped 01:13:09 <juhp> silly question but: do we have boot.iso? 01:13:10 <jlaska> #action Decided that bug#567346 can be removed from F13Alpha 01:13:12 <adamw> rhe or jlaska, anything I missed? 01:14:34 <adamw> oh, yeah. we did discuss a KDE issue 01:14:38 <Oxf13> juhp: yes 01:14:43 <adamw> the kpackagekit in RC4 is totally broken 01:14:46 <juhp> cool 01:14:49 <rhe> I just saw the yum-langpacks issue in the common bugs. 01:14:57 <juhp> oh 01:15:02 <Oxf13> juhp: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/13-Alpha.RC4/Fedora/i386/os/images/ and x86_64 01:15:09 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#yum-langpacks 01:15:09 <rhe> I'm still testing it... 01:15:10 <Oxf13> see also the netinst.iso in <arch>/iso/ 01:15:10 <juhp> Oxf13: :) 01:15:17 <adamw> so there's no graphical update in KDE out of the box. that would be a criteria-breaker in GNOME but it isn't in KDE, as we mentioned at start of f13 cycle, for f13 at least we will consider desktop criteria as blockers only for the default desktop 01:15:45 <adamw> we did discuss at least doing a respin of just the KDE image with the fixed kpackagekit, but I dunno if naything came of that. 01:15:47 <juhp> Oxf13: great - just didn't see them in the development/13 mirrors :) 01:15:58 <Oxf13> that's because I need to fix something there 01:16:04 <Oxf13> there should be a boot.iso tomorrow 01:16:37 <juhp> cool 01:16:44 <jlaska> #idea should KDE Live image be respun to address kpackagekit issue? 01:17:09 <adamw> i mean, personally i'd say what the hell, let 01:17:11 <adamw> let's do it 01:17:18 <Oxf13> jlaska: makes pointing to appropriate source more difficult 01:17:23 <adamw> but it's not a huuuuge deal either way. 01:17:33 <Oxf13> also, if we're that concerned, they could use the nightly live image 01:17:39 <Oxf13> which is well beyond this point anyway 01:18:05 <jlaska> I don't have any skin in that game 01:18:06 <juhp> hmm the yum-langpacks thing looks annoying - dunno if it is a considered a blocker 01:18:17 <Oxf13> juhp: it's not 01:18:21 <juhp> ok 01:18:27 <jlaska> juhp: we discussed earlier, I'll update the bug shortly 01:18:38 <juhp> I see - sorry 01:18:45 <jlaska> okay, so adamw can I summarize with a go from QA? 01:18:58 <adamw> yeah, that's the summary 01:19:20 <jlaska> alrighty ... rhe + adamw nice work gang pushing through those test plans 01:19:32 <jlaska> Oxf13: what's the verdict from the Rel-eng front? 01:20:04 <Oxf13> releng is good to go 01:20:11 <Oxf13> there is a matter of source iso sizes 01:20:20 <Oxf13> our sources have... ballooned quite badly 01:20:49 <Oxf13> #info source DVD is 5.0G 01:21:03 <jlaska> Oxf13: dumb question, we provide source ISO's for Alpha|Beta? 01:21:03 <Oxf13> which leads to there being 8 source CDs 01:21:17 <juhp> sweet 01:21:19 <Oxf13> jlaska: yes, we provide binary isos, so generally we have to provide source isos 01:21:45 <Oxf13> particularly since our compose was a mix of a /mnt/koji/mash repo and a side repo 01:21:57 <jlaska> Oxf13: there's nothing in our plan to check those sizes ... if you want that included, we can take that up after the meeting? 01:22:11 <Oxf13> sure. I'm not sure what to do for F13 though 01:22:20 <Oxf13> we just have some huge source archives which lead to less huge binaries 01:22:28 <Oxf13> certainly not a show stopper 01:22:49 <Oxf13> I've got the live images we're producing made and gpg signed, and I'm staging things to torrent right now 01:22:57 <Oxf13> so releng is in good shape to have things ready for the mirrors tomorrow 01:23:02 <Oxf13> plenty of time for a Tuesday release 01:23:05 <jlaska> Oxf13: is the image size something to consider for Final? 01:23:24 <Oxf13> jlaska: yea, and whether or not we want to continue making a source DVD vs just source split CDs 01:23:32 <Oxf13> or just referencing a source repo 01:23:47 <Oxf13> that's going to involve spot and legal I think 01:24:01 <jlaska> #idea need to determine how to handle source ISO's for F-13-Final 01:24:16 <jlaska> alrighty ... howabout our acting notting *cough* Oxf13? 01:24:27 <jlaska> any issues/concerns on the devel front? 01:24:55 <Oxf13> as notting, I'd say we've met our criteria, and have ok work arounds for what we haven't met 01:25:04 <Oxf13> so notting would see no reason not to go 01:25:15 <jlaska> #action several remaining CommonBugs? needing documentation 01:25:29 <jlaska> excellent, thank you notting :) 01:25:34 <jlaska> I think it's time for an #agreed 01:26:09 <jlaska> #agreed QA + Rel-Eng + Devel* agreed to proceed with releasing F-13-Alpha-RC4 as the Alpha 01:26:32 <jlaska> time to review next steps? 01:26:38 <jlaska> #topic What's next? 01:27:35 <adamw> party! 01:27:36 <jlaska> adamw, can I borrow some of your CommonBugs mastery to clear out CommonBugs? by Monday? 01:27:47 <adamw> yeah, i'll be working on it, don't worry 01:28:20 <jlaska> there's one or two install issues on the list, I'm happy to grab those 01:28:44 <jlaska> #action adamw + jlaska to document remaining CommonBugs? issues 01:29:06 <jlaska> howabout on the email/announce front ... poelcat Oxf13, what needs to happen there? 01:30:06 <Oxf13> that generally gets done by somebody 01:30:20 <Oxf13> I am trying ot remember if docs took over doing it for alpha as well, or if I still do that 01:30:25 <Oxf13> somethign we cover on the release readiness meeting 01:30:37 * poelcat thought QA coordinated w/ docs 01:31:02 <jlaska> heh, doh! adamw did you handle that last time? 01:31:17 * poelcat has to run... anything for me? 01:31:52 <jlaska> poelcat: I don't believe so ... last item I've got is just making sure someone is on staging (and I'm pretty confident Oxf13 is on top of that) 01:32:06 <Oxf13> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_Announcement 01:32:10 <Oxf13> that happened last time 01:32:21 <adamw> i didn't do any announcing last time 01:32:22 <jlaska> Oxf13: poelcat: for announcement, I meant regarding the decision here 01:32:25 <poelcat> docs handsle announcement 01:32:35 <jlaska> iirc, that announcement is done by docs and coordinated in tomorrows meeting 01:33:02 <poelcat> jlaska: oh i think the SOP says where the decision is supposed to go 01:33:08 <jlaska> I'll send out the meeting minutes to devel-announce@ test-announce@ and logistics@ 01:33:17 <jlaska> any objections? 01:33:26 <Oxf13> none here 01:33:34 <jlaska> #action jlaska - send out the meeting minutes to devel-announce@ test-announce@ and logistics@ 01:33:47 <jlaska> okay ... staging ... Oxf13 anything to track there? 01:34:01 <Oxf13> staging is proceeding 01:34:16 <Oxf13> #info expect to be fully staged for mirrors by tomorrow 01:34:28 * jlaska sends a thank you for using #info :) 01:34:39 <jlaska> alright gang ... 01:34:45 <jlaska> #topic Open Discussion 01:34:58 <jlaska> anything else to discuss while we're all here? 01:35:06 <jlaska> or should we let adamw go watch hockey? 01:35:16 <Oxf13> go, be a hoser 01:36:33 <jlaska> alright, thanks everyone. Kudos all around for working towards those Alpha release criteria 01:36:45 <jlaska> #endmeeting