17:01:24 <tflink> #startmeeting F17-Alpha-Blocker-Review-2 17:01:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Feb 3 17:01:24 2012 UTC. The chair is tflink. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:24 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:25 * adamw sends in the adamw-bot 17:01:37 <tflink> #meetingname F17-Alpha-Blocker-Review-2 17:01:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f17-alpha-blocker-review-2' 17:01:37 * nirik is lurking if he can assist with anything. 17:01:43 <tflink> #topic roll call 17:01:58 <tflink> so we have a mechanized adamw? 17:03:55 <adamw> i-would-like-some-tea-please 17:04:13 <tflink> no tea for you! 17:04:53 * cpuobsessed is his first meeting w00t! 17:04:56 <adamw> exterminate 17:05:14 <adamw> cpuobsessed: don't worry, your excitement will soon turn to mind-numbing boredom. 17:05:30 <tflink> adamw: you're not supposed to scare off new people! 17:05:47 <cpuobsessed> huh what? 17:05:59 <adamw> don't worry, we're just kidding 17:06:39 <tflink> pschindl: you here for some blocker bug review? 17:06:52 * pschindl is here 17:07:07 * cpuobsessed should have reviewed the blockers 17:07:13 <tflink> cool, lets get started then 17:07:17 <pschindl> tflink: I just want to help :) 17:07:30 <tflink> #topic Introduction 17:07:47 <tflink> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 17:07:59 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 17:08:10 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 17:08:20 <tflink> #info 3 Proposed Blockers 17:08:20 <tflink> #info 1 Proposed NTH 17:08:20 <tflink> #info 1 Accepted Blocker 17:08:34 <tflink> unless there are objections, let's dive into the proposed blockers 17:09:23 <tflink> #topic (772878) RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded 17:09:23 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=772878 17:09:23 <tflink> #info Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED 17:09:24 <buggbot> Bug 772878: urgent, unspecified, ---, dlehman, ASSIGNED, RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded 17:09:34 <bcl> oh, here we go 17:09:47 <tflink> sounds like this is fixed in anaconda-17.5? 17:10:11 <adamw> yes, it should be 17:10:19 <tflink> sounds like a pretty clear blocker, though 17:10:20 <adamw> i'll have to reconfirm with the tc1 images 17:10:31 <tflink> The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 17:10:53 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 772878 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 17:10:58 <adamw> yeah, it feels like one - dead crash early in install 17:11:00 <adamw> ack 17:11:01 <tflink> ack/nak/patch? 17:11:17 <tflink> cpuobsessed: if you have any questions about the process, feel free to ask 17:11:47 <pschindl> ack 17:11:56 * satellit_ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Fedora-17-Nightly-20120202.09-i686-Live-soas has anaconda-17.5-1.fc17.i686 and it installs fine now 17:11:57 <cpuobsessed> ack 17:12:11 <tflink> #agreed - 772878 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 17:12:21 <tflink> #topic (787234) memtest86+ boot menu option doesn't work 17:12:21 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787234 17:12:21 <tflink> #info Proposed Blocker, NEW 17:12:21 <cpuobsessed> i probably have the oldest system (FX-60, nforce4) 17:12:22 <buggbot> Bug 787234: unspecified, unspecified, ---, mgracik, NEW, memtest86+ boot menu option doesn't work 17:12:45 <cpuobsessed> i haven't seen memtest appear in any boot menu 17:12:59 <adamw> cpuobsessed: it's there when you install 17:13:03 <adamw> not after install 17:13:10 <tflink> oh, I forgot to ask if anyone would be willing to play secretary 17:13:14 <adamw> i'll do it 17:13:43 <tflink> adamw: thanks 17:13:54 <robatino> i know this test (memtest) will probably change to final level but it's alpha at the moment 17:14:06 <tflink> does this hit any criteria? 17:14:08 <pschindl> there is only testcase for this, but no criterion. 17:14:23 <pschindl> there is proposal for final criterion 17:14:40 * tflink needs to catch up on test@ mail 17:14:51 * jskladan is here! 17:14:53 <tflink> I think that I'm -1 blocker on this, then 17:14:55 <jskladan> sorry for teh delay 17:14:58 <adamw> right, we have a proposed final criterion for this one 17:15:08 <adamw> so i'm -1 alpha blocker, we could re-propose it as a final blocker 17:15:11 <tflink> jskladan: now the group is complete and we can get started! 17:15:15 <adamw> hi jskladan 17:15:22 <adamw> tflink: hehe 17:15:29 <pschindl> -1 alpha blocker +1 final blocker 17:15:31 <cpuobsessed> i've seen it on special distros, but not any of the main distros (slack, ubuntu, etc.) 17:15:40 * tflink is wondering about nth 17:15:50 <tflink> nvm 17:16:08 <adamw> hum, i'd probably want to see the fix 17:16:16 <adamw> but it doesn't smell like a great nth to me 17:16:26 <adamw> too fragile to poke the boot menu during affreeze 17:16:28 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 787234 - RejectedBlocker - memtest is a proposed criterion for final, not alpha. Re-propose as final blocker if that criterion is accepted 17:16:35 <adamw> ack 17:16:38 <pschindl> ack 17:16:45 <tflink> adamw: yeah, it took me a minute to think it through fully 17:16:59 <robatino> the test matrix should be updated to show it as final level 17:17:21 <cpuobsessed> ack 17:17:22 <tflink> robatino: would you mind taking care of that? 17:17:30 <tflink> #agreed - 787234 - RejectedBlocker - memtest is a proposed criterion for final, not alpha. Re-propose as final blocker if that criterion is accepted 17:17:31 <robatino> tflink: ok, easy change 17:17:59 <tflink> #action robatino to update test matrix to show memtest as applying to final 17:17:59 <adamw> robatino: tflink: pschindl is working on that 17:18:02 <tflink> robatino: thanks 17:18:13 <tflink> oh 17:18:16 <tflink> #undo 17:18:16 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x1fff0ad0> 17:18:17 <adamw> no biggie 17:18:31 <tflink> #action pschindl to update test matrix to show memtest as applying to final 17:18:44 <tflink> #topic (785808) dracut Warning: "/dev/disk/by-label/Fedora\x2017-Alpha\x20i386" does not exist 17:18:47 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785808 17:18:48 <buggbot> Bug 785808: unspecified, unspecified, ---, dgilmore, NEW, dracut Warning: "/dev/disk/by-label/Fedora\x2017-Alpha\x20i386" does not exist 17:18:50 <tflink> #info Proposed Blocker, NEW 17:19:13 <tflink> oddly enough, I don't see this in the usrmove boot isos I've been building 17:19:57 <adamw> has anyone tried tc1 DVD yet? 17:20:03 <adamw> as described it's clearly a blocker, though 17:20:07 <tflink> but it seems to hit The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 17:20:15 <adamw> yup 17:20:28 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 785808 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media 17:20:52 * tflink just downloaded TC1, hasn't done anything with it yet 17:21:16 <tflink> ack/nak/patch? 17:21:29 <pschindl> ack 17:21:42 <adamw> ack 17:21:47 <adamw> with a note that we need to test tc 17:21:48 <adamw> 1 17:21:56 <jskladan> +1 & ack 17:22:05 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 785808 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media - needs retesting with F17 Alpha TC1 17:22:18 <tflink> #agreed - 785808 - AcceptedBlocker - The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media - needs retesting with F17 Alpha TC1 17:22:35 <robatino> i don't see it with the TC1 DVDs 17:22:39 <cpuobsessed> i'll be trying tc1 this weekend 17:22:40 <tflink> ok, that's all of the proposed blockers, on to the proposed NTH 17:22:45 <tflink> #topic (785815) dracut Warning: dracut: FATAL: No or empty root= argument 17:22:48 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785815 17:22:49 <buggbot> Bug 785815: unspecified, unspecified, ---, crobinso, NEW, dracut Warning: dracut: FATAL: No or empty root= argument 17:22:51 <tflink> #info Proposed NTH, NEW 17:23:48 * tflink is wondering if this is beta 17:24:44 <adamw> looking through the comments, it doesn't seem like a great fit for nth or blocker 17:25:02 <cpuobsessed> edge case? 17:25:09 <tflink> is this only a problem with virt-install? 17:25:15 <adamw> it's really kind of a virt-install enhancement request, and virt-install isn't something that's 'nth-sensitive' like anaconda 17:25:24 <jskladan> tflink: imho yes 17:25:39 <tflink> the only other factor is rats_sanity and other like tools that rely on firt-install 17:25:46 <tflink> virt-install 17:25:52 <cpuobsessed> has virt-install been updated since 0127? 17:26:02 <tflink> but I'm not sure that's enough to make it blocker or nth 17:26:14 <adamw> brb, package delivery 17:26:17 <cpuobsessed> push back to beta? 17:26:29 <tflink> I'm thinking more about reject 17:26:37 <bcl> I'm fairly sure this was normal for pre-F16 17:26:54 <bcl> F16 'worked' because the 2 stages were in one big file. 17:27:19 <tflink> c10 makes it sound like the situation might change with wwoods' rewrite of the anaconda arg handling, though 17:27:56 <tflink> -1 nth 17:28:02 <cpuobsessed> since #785808 is accepted, all platforms would include vm? 17:28:41 <tflink> cpuobsessed: not sure I'm following your argument 17:29:00 <bcl> tflink: I don't think were not going to require root= 17:29:11 <cpuobsessed> the install must boot and run on all primary arch, isn't a vm an arch? 17:29:21 <cpuobsessed> or is vm not considered a primary arch? 17:29:35 <tflink> cpuobsessed: vms are more beta material 17:29:41 <cpuobsessed> is this bug preventing installing on a vm 17:29:43 <bcl> cpuobsessed: it does, if you use the iso. this is a specific problem when using vmlinuz+initrd, you need the root fs too. 17:29:59 <bcl> I'm -1 17:29:59 <tflink> and it doesn't prevent install on VMs, just messes with virt-install 17:30:11 <cpuobsessed> aight, -1 17:30:21 <pschindl> -1 NTH for m 17:30:25 <pschindl> me 17:30:27 <jskladan> cpuobsessed: IMHO difference is, that (IIUIC) the 785815 is triggered just by using virt-install 17:30:34 * jskladan is with the crowd 17:30:45 <adamw> ack 17:30:53 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 785815 - RejectedNTH - This is a feature request for virt-install and is a bit too much of a corner case for NTH 17:30:56 <cpuobsessed> thanks for the clarification 17:31:08 <cpuobsessed> ack 17:31:09 <pschindl> ack 17:31:10 <jskladan> ack 17:31:17 <tflink> #agreed - 785815 - RejectedNTH - This is a feature request for virt-install and is a bit too much of a corner case for NTH 17:31:17 <adamw> yeah, the key point is it's only special tools, not regular installs. 17:31:34 <tflink> wow, already through all of the proposed bugs 17:31:40 <tflink> and 1 accepted blocker 17:31:47 <tflink> #topic (754850) Some systems won't boot off GPT disks if the protective MBR entry isn't flagged bootable 17:31:50 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=754850 17:31:51 <buggbot> Bug 754850: unspecified, unspecified, ---, anaconda-maint-list, NEW, Some systems won't boot off GPT disks if the protective MBR entry isn't flagged bootable 17:31:53 <tflink> #info Accepted Blocker, NEW 17:32:12 <tflink> looks like there hasn't been any movement on this since last week 17:32:23 <adamw> yeah. bcl, is this getting implemented? 17:32:41 <tflink> was there any conclusion on how to fix this (if we're going to)? 17:32:58 <adamw> well, it's not really a 'how' question 17:33:01 <bcl> adamw: yep. built new parted and pyparted yesterday. 17:33:22 <adamw> it's just...something the anaconda team has to change, there's no 'design' required 17:33:24 <tflink> cool, sounds like it'll be ready for testing ~ TC2, then 17:33:29 <bcl> the only question now is do we always set boot on GPT or do a whitelist like we do for switching back to msdos. 17:33:42 <adamw> alright, not much to worry about i guess 17:33:47 <bcl> tflink: I still need to fix anaconda. 17:34:11 <bcl> 'm leaning towards always setting boot on GPT unless that becomes a problem. 17:34:11 <tflink> #info fix process has been started, still waiting for changes in anaconda 17:35:45 <tflink> bcl: anything need to be done on our end for a fix? It sounds like there isn't anything 17:36:07 <bcl> no 17:36:25 <tflink> alrighty then, that's all the bugs we have to review 17:36:36 * tflink thinks that this might be the shortest blocker review meeting ever 17:36:42 <tflink> #topic open floor 17:36:46 <adamw> i'm scared 17:36:47 <bcl> groovy. 17:36:49 <tflink> anything that I missed? 17:36:54 <adamw> there must be! 17:36:59 <adamw> it's only 9:36! 17:37:02 <cpuobsessed> guess i started on a good meeting? 17:37:02 <adamw> something is terribly wrong! 17:37:04 <tflink> adamw: yeah, I didn't say anything earlier for fear of jinx 17:37:04 <adamw> :P 17:37:06 <adamw> cpuobsessed: yeah 17:37:15 <robatino> need several bugs for repoclosure and file conflicts problems in TC1 - see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-February/105381.html 17:37:34 <cpuobsessed> why is the iso only 2.4Gb? 17:37:35 <robatino> i'm not sure what components to file under so someone else please do it 17:37:37 <adamw> robatino: yeah, we'll look into that 17:37:43 <adamw> cpuobsessed: we're not sure why the size is smaller 17:38:06 <robatino> cpuobsessed: i found that the libreoffice-langpack* packages were gone and that seems to account for about half of the shrinkage 17:38:09 <tflink> cpuobsessed: I think it has something to do with libreoffice langpacks but I could be remembering wrong 17:38:21 <tflink> and robatino beat me to it :) 17:38:42 <tflink> any volunteers to file the repoclosure bugs? 17:39:17 <adamw> i'll look into those 17:39:37 <tflink> adamw: thanks 17:40:01 <tflink> if there are no other issues, I'll set the fuse for ~ 5 min 17:40:25 <cpuobsessed> time to clear the DVD-RW and reburn 17:40:47 <tflink> #info Fedora 17 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #3 - 2012-02-10 @ 17:00 UTC 17:43:26 <adamw> oh hey 17:43:30 <adamw> i'm just gonna file a new blocker 17:43:33 <adamw> gimme 2 mins and we can review it 17:43:42 <jskladan> :) 17:43:48 <tflink> adamw: you just made it before the fuse 17:45:44 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787261 17:45:45 <buggbot> Bug 787261: unspecified, unspecified, ---, tcallawa, NEW, Fedora 17 Alpha TC1 still has all F16 artwork 17:46:25 <tflink> #topic (787261) Fedora 17 Alpha TC1 still has all F16 artwor 17:46:25 <tflink> #link http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787261 17:46:25 <tflink> #info Proposed Blocker, NEW 17:46:26 <buggbot> Bug 787261: unspecified, unspecified, ---, tcallawa, NEW, Fedora 17 Alpha TC1 still has all F16 artwork 17:46:29 <cpuobsessed> can't wait to see what a "Beefy Miracle" artwork will be 17:46:37 <adamw> heh 17:46:42 <tflink> seems like a clear blocker to me 17:46:43 <adamw> not sure if that's the right component, but the bug's clear enough 17:46:48 <bcl> aren't we supposed to wait until the last second to update artwork ;) 17:46:56 <adamw> bcl: oh yes, that's right ;) 17:47:25 <tflink> I thought that's why we added the criteria - so that wouldn't happen 17:47:25 <cpuobsessed> push to beta 17:47:26 <pschindl> there is final criterion for this, isn't it? 17:47:33 <tflink> pschindl: alpha criteria 17:47:34 <jskladan> pschindl: alpha 17:47:39 <tflink> The default Fedora artwork must either refer to the current Fedora release under development (Fedora 17), or reference an interim release milestone (e.g. Alpha or Beta). If a release version number is used, it must match the current Fedora release under development. This includes artwork used in the installer, graphical bootloader menu, firstboot, graphical boot, graphical login and desktop background. 17:47:40 <jskladan> #19 17:47:49 <adamw> at alpha, there's required to be at least placeholder artwork, to avoid confusion 17:47:52 <pschindl> jskladan: thx 17:47:57 <adamw> at final, the actual final artwork should be in 17:47:59 <tflink> proposed #agreed - 787261 - AcceptedBlocker - The default Fedora artwork must either refer to the current Fedora release under development (Fedora 17), or reference an interim release milestone (e.g. Alpha or Beta). If a release version number is used, it must match the current Fedora release under development. This includes artwork used in the installer, graphical bootloader menu, firstboot, graphical boot, graphical login and desktop background. 17:48:00 <bcl> I like that. 17:48:08 <pschindl> ack :) 17:48:10 <jskladan> ack 17:48:12 <adamw> otherwise we get people saying 'i downloaded f17 alpha but it says it's f16!' 17:48:17 <adamw> ack 17:48:20 <tflink> #agreed - 787261 - AcceptedBlocker - The default Fedora artwork must either refer to the current Fedora release under development (Fedora 17), or reference an interim release milestone (e.g. Alpha or Beta). If a release version number is used, it must match the current Fedora release under development. This includes artwork used in the installer, graphical bootloader menu, firstboot, graphical boot, graphical login and desktop background. 17:48:45 <tflink> any other new blockers? 17:49:15 <pschindl> If Kamil was here, he would find some :) 17:49:31 <tflink> but those can wait for next week :) 17:49:36 <tflink> #topic open floor 17:49:48 * tflink re-sets the fuse to ~ 5 minutes 17:50:40 <jskladan> tflink: http://matroid.org/flux/no_jokes_please.jpg 17:51:27 <adamw> i like the 'no kidnapping' icon 17:51:29 <tflink> jskladan: crap, am I in trouble for lighting the fuse? 17:51:33 <adamw> er, 'no hijacking' 17:51:57 <adamw> it's like, 'man, I was all set to hijack this plane, i have my guns and my bombs all ready, but they have a 'no hijacking' sign! Curses!' 17:52:10 <jskladan> hehe 17:52:39 <tflink> because telling people something isn't allowed ALWAYS works 17:52:59 * tflink is keeping with the "no jokes please!" mentality 17:53:03 <tflink> :-D 17:53:32 <tflink> eh, close enough to 5 minutes 17:53:40 * tflink will send out minutes shortly 17:53:47 <tflink> thanks for coming, everyone! 17:53:49 <tflink> #endmeeting