19:01:01 #startmeeting F17 Beta Release Readiness Meeting 19:01:01 Meeting started Thu Mar 29 19:01:01 2012 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:22 #meetingname F17 Beta Release Readiness Meeting 19:01:22 The meeting name has been set to 'f17_beta_release_readiness_meeting' 19:01:25 * nirik is around 19:01:30 * tflink is present 19:01:35 #chair nirik tflink 19:01:35 Current chairs: nirik rbergeron tflink 19:01:52 okay, i'm going to go hunting really quick 19:03:30 #chair bcotton 19:03:30 Current chairs: bcotton nirik rbergeron tflink 19:03:41 okay, i just pinged mizmo and dgilmore 19:04:09 i guess we shall start with who we hve and hope others come along 19:04:12 * cwickert is here 19:04:15 #topic Docs 19:04:19 bcotton: lucky you, you're first :) 19:04:25 #chair cwickert 19:04:25 Current chairs: bcotton cwickert nirik rbergeron tflink 19:04:28 cwickert: hi! 19:04:35 actually 19:04:38 #topic Status Update 19:05:12 #info Beta Release has been slipped by 1 week; rbergeron to send out slip notice and update schedule today 19:05:40 #info Beta Release now slated for 4/10 19:05:54 so let's see, where was i :) 19:05:57 #topic Docs 19:06:01 bcotton: let's try this again :) 19:06:04 hola rbergeron 19:06:11 bcotton: how are docs coming along, are you guys about ready for beta? :) 19:06:40 Release Notes (en-US only) are ready and RPMified. guides are progressing. 19:07:00 so "yes" 19:07:06 bcoton: any issues, anything you guys need from anyone? 19:07:15 #info Docs is ready as ready gets! :) 19:07:37 nope, but does the Beta date slippage imply that GA will slip a week, too? 19:07:44 bcotton: indeedy 19:07:51 excellent 19:08:03 #info This means GA will slip by one week as well, to May 15 19:08:06 LOL 19:08:20 arighty then, thanks :) 19:08:24 #topic Ambassadors 19:08:31 * cwickert hides 19:08:44 frankly speaking I think we are a little behind 19:09:06 at least in EMEA 19:09:12 with anything specific to impacting beta, or mostly just the stuff leading up to GA? 19:09:18 hola rbergeron 19:09:25 #chair dgilmore 19:09:25 Current chairs: bcotton cwickert dgilmore nirik rbergeron tflink 19:09:27 hi dennis :) 19:09:29 no, we just need to get our shit done for GA 19:09:29 * adamw is ON A MOUNTAIN 19:09:38 but nothing that impacts the beta 19:09:53 #info Ambassadors are a bit behind wrt GA prep but are not having any issues impacting beta 19:09:54 looking at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html I see we need to sort out the media thing 19:10:00 cwickert: yup, it's that time 19:10:11 I am going to file the ticket for budget now 19:10:16 #chair adamw onamountain 19:10:16 Current chairs: adamw bcotton cwickert dgilmore nirik onamountain rbergeron tflink 19:10:23 and Jiri will handle the media production again 19:10:23 Heh 19:10:40 not sure about the other regions 19:10:55 but I will bring it up in the next FAmSCo meeting to make sure we catch up 19:10:57 cwickert: excellent. thanks for coming, i know that alpha/beta are pretty low-impact for you guys as far as release dates but it's helpful to hear this stuff nonetheless. 19:11:16 #action cwickert to help get the amb. train back on track at famsco meeting wrt ordering media as we approach GA 19:11:26 right, we don't have much to do now, but we need to prepare stuff for GA 19:11:29 yup! 19:11:40 todo: media, swag, release parties 19:11:41 okay, i'm gonna move onwards :) unless anyone has questions for cwickert 19:11:45 yeah 19:12:08 * rbergeron looks around 19:12:10 * cwickert thinks we can move on 19:12:28 #topic Infra & FESCo 19:12:32 nirik: howdy 19:12:46 I think we are in pretty good shape... 19:12:59 most infra tasks are after we have a gold... but we are ready. ;) 19:13:02 yeah 19:13:18 anyone have questions for infra or concerns 19:13:28 fesco is pretty much ... not really impacted here 19:13:30 not I 19:13:40 #info Infra is ready to go, once we have a gold 19:13:44 coolio 19:13:51 #topic Release Engineering 19:13:54 dgilmore: hi 19:14:14 buenos 19:14:38 we are in good shape, waiting on sorting things out to do rc3 19:14:52 ec2 still needs some work 19:14:57 #info releng is good, just waiting on moving towards rc3 19:14:58 right 19:15:01 i did ask for help with that 19:15:08 #info ec2 is still not-log-innable but we are still seeking help there 19:15:30 * cwickert hopes that nobody will ask for the spins progress 19:15:44 cwickert: i know fails on nightly 19:15:57 dgilmore: will look at this 19:16:02 How is the spins progress, cwickert? 19:16:03 dgilmore: remmina? 19:16:07 * cwickert hides 19:16:18 well, there is not much to do 19:16:19 adamw: LOL 19:16:25 because we don't have any new spins 19:16:40 cwickert: it was scientifc-kde 19:16:40 should we discuss spins now or let rel-eng finish? 19:16:45 I'm helping! I'm helping! 19:16:47 #chair mizmo 19:16:47 Current chairs: adamw bcotton cwickert dgilmore mizmo nirik onamountain rbergeron tflink 19:17:08 releng is finished 19:17:14 unless there is questions for me 19:17:33 dgilmore: i have none, cwickert: does the spins stuff impact beta or not so much 19:17:42 i would like to get it sorted out if there are issues but would like to run through everyone else first 19:17:48 (if it's not entirely beta-ish) 19:17:58 rbergeron: we only do all spins for final 19:17:58 rbergeron: if there is something, I can fix it now 19:18:03 just nightly before that 19:18:25 right, that's my thinking 19:18:48 #topic Spins 19:18:56 no new spins this time, so not much to do 19:19:11 #info only KDE Scientific fails currently, this is not a blocker at all 19:19:12 eof 19:19:14 next? 19:19:18 :) 19:19:23 #topic Design team 19:19:30 mizmo: thanks for coming :) 19:19:34 how are you guys doing 19:19:47 bearing in mind you missed the "we're slipping a week" bit from the beginning of meeting 19:19:59 well 19:20:22 i think inkscape finished the web banners, we need more iterations on the wallpapers but it wouldn't be tragic to keep the alpha wallpaper in place (AFAIK we've gotten no complaints on it) 19:20:27 s/inkscape/inkscaper 19:20:34 so i think we're okay 19:20:41 one concern is for the banners on the front page of the website 19:20:46 i dont think anybody is managing that forf 17 19:20:51 ? 19:20:53 and we haven't gotten any requests for artwork for them 19:21:01 what about the media artwork? 19:21:10 Few people on the forums thought the alpha wallpaper was boring 19:21:21 we don't normally do that until post beta because the wallpaper isn't finalized, wallpaper needs to be finalized first cwickert 19:21:27 adamw, fedora forums? 19:21:31 And didn't get the fireworks / beefy miracle connection 19:21:34 Yeah 19:21:38 Nothing major though 19:21:39 adamw: luckily they have a totally controversial name to be pleased with 19:21:39 mizmo: ok, makes sense. 19:21:44 No pitchforks 19:21:59 mizmo: I can give you a artwork requests if your team is bored ;) 19:22:03 adamw, it definitely needs a bit more work, but if we're not getting emotional tirades about how it's insulting to their mother i consider that great news adamw :) 19:22:14 LOL 19:22:15 =) 19:22:22 cwickert, oh we're getting plenty of requests just not for the front page banners 19:22:41 so i guess my thing is we need to identify someone to manage the banners thing for the website, that's about it, otherwise i think we are peachy keen 19:22:42 mizmo: does websites normally request that or are they just magically expecting them to hapen? 19:22:57 rbergeron, i had to do it in hour 11 last time 19:22:57 * rbergeron isn't sure if anyone came from websites today 19:23:17 mizmo: who requested it at hour 11? 19:23:18 although it wasn't hard because the features involved for the most part had helpful screenshots on the features pages 19:23:21 (go virt guys) 19:23:21 shaiton has been doing bunches of things in websites, but was unable to make the meeting today. 19:23:28 nirik: yup 19:23:33 rbergeron, iirc it was more of a, 'oh crap we forgot' post on the websites mailing list 19:24:15 is anyone willing to go drop a mail on the websites list and ask them about their intentions and follow up to ensure it goes somewhere :) 19:24:34 i think really slides #2 and #3 are specifically troublesome, slide #1 is fine (Wallpaper-based) slide #4 is fine (We can use fudcon blacksburg photo that russell took) 19:24:36 if not i am happy to do so but ;) 19:24:41 i can send it now 19:25:41 mizmo: we should probably think about getting it just added to the schedule, either to websites to remember to ask or to you guys to remember to prod to ask or just ... do, i guess 19:26:11 rbergeron, yeh, it's tricky tho cuz it's one of those things where it intersects between marketing, web, and design, its not clearly in any one camp 19:26:14 right 19:26:31 which features should be featured? that kind of decision seems odd for a web dev or designer to make 19:27:18 right 19:27:49 well - let's not decide here - if you are putting a mail on websites list i can pipe in there from marketing angle 19:27:57 * mizmo would pick gimp 2.8 but clearly biased ;-) 19:27:59 okie doke will do 19:28:00 lol 19:28:00 * mizmo salutes 19:28:12 mizmo: thanks for coming, very much appreciated and helpful :D 19:28:18 #topic Marketing 19:28:40 I am woefully unprepared but will magically write a release announcement tomorrow along with a multitude of other things 19:28:57 and will follow up with mo on the whole what features should be featured thing 19:29:21 and unless anyone has questions for marketing i am going to sneak right past this to another group :D 19:29:50 * rbergeron looks at list 19:29:53 #topic Websites, Translatoins 19:30:00 is anyone here from either of the above teams? 19:30:36 It would appear not. I'll shoot a mail to translation sto make sure they're okay. 19:30:45 #action rbergeron to check in via email with translations/noriko 19:31:04 And after mo checks in with websites I'll pipe in with a checkin there as well 19:31:13 #action rbergeron to check in with websites as well 19:31:19 #topic QA 19:31:32 adamw, tflink: HEY THERE 19:31:40 Hi 19:31:41 rbergeron: howdy 19:31:50 so we're still moving towards rc3 19:31:53 it would seem 19:32:01 are there any other issues or things you need 19:32:25 * rbergeron notes things like commonbugs / etc. come up here, I did see adam's mail to (i think) docs list (unless i'm going crazy) aobut a few things that was helpful 19:32:27 Tflink: any movement on the blocker since this morning? Any new stuff? 19:32:31 it might have been tflink 19:32:36 Me 19:32:37 i'm pretty fuzzy right now 19:32:48 But that was for rel notes / install guide 19:32:49 some ideas in the libvirt bug... 19:32:50 adamw: not much movement today 19:33:00 since early this morning anyways 19:33:02 no movement on the anaconda onboot thing that I saw. 19:33:15 Common bugs I usually do between gold declaration and release 19:33:27 So that's not a problem 19:34:21 still making forward progress on the RC2 test cases 19:34:33 although at a slower pace than last night 19:34:36 Worst case, for the remaining blocker, we can take boxes back out of comps 19:35:04 So I'm not very worried. All signs point to shipping rc3 next week. 19:35:54 adamw: okay 19:36:00 * nirik thinks 806466 would sure be nice to have too... 19:36:01 (re: commonbugs) 19:36:11 Nir: nice, yeah. 19:36:25 Aw, this useless thing doesn't complete nicks. 19:36:34 adamw: is that what you say or the 8-ball :) 19:36:50 nirik: I think that it's being worked on, it just wasn't going to happen for RC2 19:36:51 "all signs point to yes" 19:37:01 It's ALWAYS the 8 ball. 19:37:25 I just wire it up to my email account and snowboard seven days a week. Didn't you know/ 19:37:33 tflink: bummer. personally I think it borders on blocker, as it will confuse people a fair bit... but understood. 19:37:33 SNOW 19:37:36 oh, the double entendre 19:37:58 nirik: wwoods was close to a fix, hopefully he'll be able to get it done before RC3 19:38:10 nirik: i don't think adamw was saying it couldn't happen in rc3 19:38:24 welcome back adamw 19:38:31 Nir: we shipped with network down by default all the way up to f15 by policy... 19:38:35 well, we will see. ;) 19:38:39 Damn wifi. 19:38:41 yeah, it was confusing then too. ;) 19:38:44 Heh 19:39:33 Well, that's all I got, really. 19:39:35 adamw, tflink: blocker meeting tomorrow i assume? 19:39:44 yeah, that's the plan 19:39:49 Short one, hopefully. 19:39:51 * tflink will be sending out the announcement shortly 19:39:53 #info Blocker meeting fun planned for tomorrow 19:40:16 tflink: want to wait until like 30 seconds after I send out a slip mail 19:40:28 which i'm doing after we end this meeting 19:40:48 rbergeron: I can wait until after the announcement, its not like I'm itching to send the thing out :) 19:41:00 tflink: lies, i know it's the best part of your week :) 19:41:12 okay 19:41:19 anyone else have anything they want to harass QA about 19:41:22 other than being awesome 19:41:23 oh yes, I get the shakes between releases when we don't have blocker review meetings ... 19:41:52 #topic Anything else 19:41:54 thanks for the valient effort on rc2! 19:42:03 Did i miss anyone or forget anything, it's entirely possible 19:42:04 :) 19:42:07 Eh, it barely got started 19:42:08 Adam should get a bonus. 19:42:16 * rbergeron looks at the stock price 19:42:36 lol 19:42:43 * rbergeron will give adam a big hug? :) 19:42:55 I hit the blocker on my first rc2 install and already knew what it was because i'd hit it earlier with the gnme 3.4 image... 19:43:03 I'll take it! 19:43:25 :) 19:43:30 * rbergeron will close out in a moment if there's nothing else 19:43:41 * adamw heads back to the slopes 19:43:48 adamw: i assume you're not sticking around but can you check your PMs? 19:44:08 holy cow, up almost $10! 19:44:13 Tflink: on this phone...I can try 19:44:26 mdomsch_: it's almost back to where it was when you bought it! 19:44:27 Hey, I'm retiring 19:44:39 adamw: other methods would work, too. I just wanted your input before I pestered jlaska 19:44:55 indeed 19:44:58 he needs pestering, send him our love 19:45:18 okay folks, thanks for coming, much appreciated, see you all again at GA time for this wonderful meeting :) 19:45:25 #endmeeting