21:00:39 <jreznik> #startmeeting F18 Alpha Go/No-Go meeting
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21:01:11 <jreznik> #meetingname F18 Alpha Go/No-Go meeting
21:01:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f18_alpha_go/no-go_meeting'
21:02:36 <jreznik> #topic roll call
21:02:42 * nirik waves
21:02:55 <jreznik> chair nirik
21:03:01 <jreznik> #chair nirik
21:03:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik nirik
21:03:12 <jreznik> adamw, tflink; ?
21:04:21 <jreznik> let's wait a moment...
21:05:58 <tflink> sorry, lost track of time
21:06:43 <jreznik> tflink: np
21:06:49 <jreznik> #chair tflink
21:06:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik nirik tflink
21:07:08 <jreznik> who else is/should join?
21:07:15 * spoore is lurking
21:08:00 <Viking-Ice> let's get the ball rolling
21:08:10 <jreznik> yep
21:08:30 <jreznik> #topic Purpose of this meeting
21:08:57 <jreznik> #info Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F18 Alpha is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria.
21:09:05 <jreznik> (stealing from robyn ;-)
21:09:17 <jreznik> #info This is determined in a few ways:
21:09:27 <jreznik> #info No remaining blocker bugs
21:09:44 <jreznik> #info Test matrices for Alpha are fully completed
21:10:03 <jreznik> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
21:10:24 <jreznik> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
21:11:05 <jreznik> anyone wants to add anything?
21:11:44 <tflink> links for the test matrices?
21:12:19 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test
21:12:22 <jreznik> tflink: could you post it - extremely slow network
21:12:25 <jreznik> ah, thanks
21:12:28 <tflink> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
21:12:37 <tflink> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
21:14:01 <jreznik> becuase of TC3 installation problems, we do not have a lot of data yet
21:14:34 <jreznik> but adamw encouraged people to test with TC3 if possible to have more data even before TC4 is ready
21:15:06 <jreznik> #topic Blocker Bugs
21:15:41 <jreznik> how far do we want to go through bugs? as blockers meeting covered a lot of this topic a few hours before?
21:16:00 <tflink> honestly, I don't see a whole lot of point
21:16:05 <nirik> I think we can cut to the chase.
21:16:09 <tflink> unless we want to go over the blocker that was just proposed
21:16:22 * jreznik neither
21:16:29 <jreznik> tflink: if there's new one, let's do it
21:17:26 <jreznik> tflink: could you take care (to make it in the right way/process)?
21:17:26 <Viking-Ice> status "new" should suffices and unless wwoods has any updates for 848641
21:17:37 <Viking-Ice> it's a sure no go
21:18:00 <tflink> #topic (844167) Error in PREIN scriptlet in rpm package libvirt-daemon-0.9.11.4-3.fc17.x86_64
21:18:03 <tflink> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844167
21:18:06 <tflink> #info Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED
21:18:16 <tflink> Viking-Ice: there are more issues than just that bug, unfortunately :(
21:18:57 <tflink> I'm not sure this is a blocker
21:19:15 <tflink> if I'm reading this right, it shows up when doing a yum upgrade from F17 -> F18
21:19:33 <tflink> which would be a beta issue, if we supported yum upgrades
21:19:39 <nirik> yeah.
21:19:40 <Viking-Ice> libvirt not working is not a blocker
21:19:52 <tflink> Viking-Ice: how so?
21:19:58 <tflink> sorry, misread that
21:20:21 <Viking-Ice> selinux neither for alpha afaik
21:20:22 <jreznik> looks like upgrade issue
21:20:29 <tflink> and a yum upgrade issue to boot
21:21:34 <jreznik> looks like it's even f17 update issue
21:21:58 <jreznik> "I was not upgrading to the f18 libvirt package just f17 updates-testing"
21:22:24 <tflink> proposed #agreed 844167 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha) - As this is an upgrade issue, it does not fall under the F18 alpha release criteria and is not a blocker for F18 alpha. Upgrades are not considered blocker issues until Beta, it can be re-proposed as a F18 beta blocker.
21:22:38 <Viking-Ice> ack
21:22:44 <jreznik> ack
21:23:44 <tflink> any other ack/nak/patch?
21:23:47 <spoore> ack
21:23:51 <tflink> #agreed 844167 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha) - As this is an upgrade issue, it does not fall under the F18 alpha release criteria and is not a blocker for F18 alpha. Upgrades are not considered blocker issues until Beta, it can be re-proposed as a F18 beta blocker.
21:24:06 <tflink> OK, that is the only blocker that we didn't hit a couple hours ago
21:24:12 <tflink> #topic Blocker Bugs
21:25:18 <tflink> #info at this time there are 19 unresolved blocker bugs for Fedora 18 alpha
21:25:20 <jreznik> #info we decided to skip already processed blockers bug today, see f18-alpha-blocker-review-4 meeting minutes
21:25:29 <jreznik> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-22/f18-alpha-blocker-review-4.2012-08-22-16.01.html
21:26:21 <jreznik> anything else to blocker bugs topic?
21:26:38 <tflink> nothing that I can think of
21:26:57 <nirik> oof. 19.
21:27:07 <jreznik> yep, 19...
21:27:08 <Viking-Ice> given that there already are 19 unresolved accepted blocker bugs then it's clearly a no go =)
21:27:17 <tflink> several of those are just waiting for karma and push to stable
21:27:25 <nirik> Viking-Ice: yeah. ;(
21:27:37 <Viking-Ice> spins need to implement 1) asa here 850775
21:27:41 <jreznik> indeed, it's not as bad as it looked before
21:27:47 <Viking-Ice> s/asa/asap
21:28:15 <jreznik> well, let's go to the verdict (surprise, surprise)
21:28:24 <jreznik> #topic Go or No Go?
21:28:49 <nirik> no va.
21:28:56 <tflink> Due to the fact that there are unresolved blocker bugs and unsatisfactory test matrix results, QA is no go
21:29:24 <jreznik> #info Due to the fact that there are unresolved blocker bugs and unsatisfactory test matrix results, QA is no go
21:30:16 * nirik nods. Lets put this down as a no-go and get back to trying to fix things. ;(
21:30:19 * jreznik as FPGM is no-go too, see tflink
21:31:15 <jreznik> nirik: yep, we need to fix things
21:32:08 <jreznik> blocker bug owners, please take a look on your bugs and try to fix them as soon as possible
21:33:19 <jreznik> proposal: F18 Alpha is no-go, we slip one week
21:33:26 <tflink> +1
21:34:13 <nirik> +1, yep.
21:34:35 <Viking-Ice> ack
21:35:51 <jreznik_n9> oh, sorry, battery died...
21:36:22 <tflink> #chair jreznik_n9
21:36:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik jreznik_n9 nirik tflink
21:37:07 <jreznik_n9> I suppose we agreed? when I was disconnected
21:37:17 <tflink> yeah, +3 -0
21:38:04 <jreznik_n9> tflink, could you please agree it, i'm on phone
21:38:18 <tflink> #agreed F18 Alpha is no-go, we slip one week
21:38:38 <jreznik_n9> thx
21:39:25 <Viking-Ice> so what's up with team anaconda and this 849250
21:39:26 * jreznik_n9 is going to send a sad slip email, no spherical cows next week
21:39:40 <Viking-Ice> no root password for server installs :(
21:40:16 <tflink> Viking-Ice: I believe that they're working out a solution
21:40:48 <Viking-Ice> tflink, let's hope so  the community is far from being only desktop users ;)
21:40:52 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: we have to poke Anaconda guys
21:41:05 <tflink> adam was talking to them about it a little while ago
21:41:21 <tflink> not sure what the resolution was, though
21:41:34 <Viking-Ice> jreznik; try poking with a hot stick next time ;)
21:42:08 * jreznik is nihilist :)
21:42:40 <Viking-Ice> depending how far wwoods has climbed up the latter it might work better using a bottle of good cognac
21:42:59 <spoore> is there not going to be text only support down the road for firstboot?
21:43:38 <tflink> spoore: not sure, we dropped using that for F16, I think
21:43:44 <Viking-Ice> I thought firstboot was supposed to die altogether
21:43:48 <wwoods> I accept brown liquor - or clear, if it's homemade
21:43:48 <tflink> just for gnome
21:43:51 <adamw> oh, yeah, there's this meeting.
21:44:14 <adamw> Viking-Ice: there's a feature to replace it for GNOME, but i don't think any of the other desktops signed up for that.
21:44:49 <jreznik> adamw: it's not possible as it's GDM based
21:45:11 <jreznik> #action jreznik to send a slip announcement
21:45:16 <jreznik> #topic open floor
21:45:33 <jreznik> not to be OT :)
21:45:57 <tflink> is release readiness tomorrow or was I remembering wrong?
21:46:00 <Viking-Ice> if someone selects minimal install it should be presented with the root password dialog that should suffice I suppose
21:46:25 <jreznik> tflink: yes, it is
21:47:09 <jreznik> #info Fedora 18 Alpha Readiness meeting tomorrow - Thursday, Aug. 23, 19:00 UTC (3pm Eastern, 12pm Pacific) in #fedora-meeting-1
21:47:09 <spoore> Viking-Ice, I'd personally like to see something more like sys-unconfig be supported again for text based installs that don't setup X
21:48:43 <jreznik> ok, anything else?
21:48:50 <Viking-Ice> well team anaconda should consider my RFE about reading kickstart files of persistant storage on the usb install and leave it at that. From my point of view we should be pushing admins more towards kickstart usage
21:48:56 <jreznik> please, do not forget readiness meeting tomorrow\
21:49:14 <Viking-Ice> is there any point of holding that meeting?
21:49:41 <Viking-Ice> since we are already slipping a week
21:49:47 <spoore> jreznik, did the readiness meeting reminder go out to the test list?  Maybe I missed it?
21:50:24 * jreznik is sorry for some sort of improvisation - but the worst two days in a few years, life does not like schedules... my grandma funeral is tmrw, with travelling and doing it for the first time...
21:50:36 <tflink> we've been doing the release readiness meeting once right after the first go/no-go for the last couple releases, maybe more
21:51:01 <Viking-Ice> that does not mean it actually made sense thou ;)
21:51:04 <jreznik> spoore: not sure to which list to send it - I sent it to logistic (looking in history what robyn did)
21:51:24 <jreznik> I can for sure forward it to test list
21:51:36 <tflink> I don't see why not, it covers things like docs, infra rel-eng to try to catch any potential problems but I don't really have a huge preference for when it happens
21:51:37 <spoore> jreznik, cool...thanks.
21:52:08 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: I think it's not a bad idea to get sync with other teams even we are no-go - they could be too no-go etc...
21:52:40 <jreznik> btw. just kick me when I miss or mess something :) I'm learning the processes!
21:53:06 <Viking-Ice> well us and releng usually are in sync on these matters
21:54:16 <jreznik> Viking-Ice: there are more teams involved - but if you think we should change it, we can talk about it - when is the best time to meet
21:54:17 * jreznik is listening
21:54:39 <jreznik> btw, one more topic
21:54:45 <Viking-Ice> jreznik, perhaps the design team whom else?
21:54:48 <jreznik> #topic next go/no-go meeting
21:55:04 <Viking-Ice> same time next week?
21:55:20 <jreznik> tflink proposed Thursday for next meeting...
21:55:36 <tflink> I'm pretty sure we agreed to thursday at some point in F17
21:55:55 <tflink> or I'll propose it now, either way is fine with me :)
21:56:12 <Viking-Ice> hm.. if we slip a week I would think we needed to hold it after that week or a day earlier?
21:56:39 <jreznik> tflink: yep, I saw it in log
21:56:50 <tflink> not sure I follow, the slipped release date would be the same either way
21:57:12 <tflink> we'd just be reducing the gap between go/no-go and the potential release date
21:57:56 <Viking-Ice> well we need to have  it atleast a day or two before the said release date to give releng time to work things out
21:58:17 <tflink> IIRC, infra and releng were OK with moving it up a day
21:58:30 <jreznik> and no-go and readiness would be in the same day
21:58:39 <Viking-Ice> if releng os a OK with it let's do it
21:58:49 <Viking-Ice> s/os/is/
22:00:11 <jreznik> ok, I'll announce the change so in case of any objections, there would be time to change it back to Wed
22:00:17 <jreznik> same time (but Thursday?)
22:00:51 <tflink> works for me
22:00:53 <Viking-Ice> yeah same time sounds fine since it's beer o clock here on top of the world ;)
22:01:44 <jreznik> for me a new day started a minute ago :)))
22:02:37 <jreznik> #agreed to have next Go/No-Go meeting on Thursday Aug 30, the same time (21:00 UTC/17:00 EDT), jreznik to announce it
22:03:33 <jreznik> well, I think it's all for today meeting, see you tmrw!
22:03:55 <jreznik> and thanks of course!
22:04:27 <Viking-Ice> and thank you for chairing
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22:05:20 <jreznik> #endmeeting