16:03:24 <roshi> #startmeeting F23-blocker-review
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16:03:24 <roshi> #meetingname F23-blocker-review
16:03:24 <roshi> #topic Roll Call
16:03:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f23-blocker-review'
16:03:33 <roshi> who's around?
16:05:14 <danofsatx> hey, who you calling round?
16:05:33 * adamw 's asquare
16:06:22 * roshi is orthoganol
16:06:50 <adamw> to what?
16:06:52 * Corey84 here
16:07:00 <roshi> exactly
16:07:26 <roshi> #chair adamw Corey84 danofsatx kparal pschindl
16:07:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Corey84 adamw danofsatx kparal pschindl roshi
16:07:28 <Corey84> likely to be  in and out tho  finishing some blog posts for  fosscon and other things
16:07:59 <roshi> sounds good Corey84
16:08:03 <roshi> #topic Introduction
16:08:03 <roshi> Why are we here?
16:08:03 <roshi> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
16:08:07 <roshi> #info We'll be following the process outlined at:
16:08:10 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
16:08:12 <roshi> #info The bugs up for review today are available at:
16:08:15 <roshi> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
16:08:17 <roshi> #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
16:08:20 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_Release_Criteria
16:08:23 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria
16:08:26 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria
16:09:12 <roshi> we currently have 1/1 proposed blockers for beta/final
16:09:27 <roshi> and 4 proposed FEs for Beta we'll knock out as well
16:09:29 * kparal lurks
16:09:35 <adamw> yay short meetings
16:09:45 * pschindl is here too (I found out that saying this on #fedora-qa doesn't work well)
16:10:05 <danofsatx> nah, we tend to ignore #fedora-qa on Mondays.
16:10:25 <roshi> alright, first proposal
16:10:26 <roshi> #topic (1249304) UnboundLocalError: local variable 'e' referenced before assignment
16:10:30 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1249304
16:10:32 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, ON_QA
16:11:44 <adamw> this is the one we deferred
16:11:54 <adamw> the update's not gone stable yet what with all you slackers not karmaing it :P
16:12:16 * adamw tried to give it karma on friday but bodhi was apparently in a bad mood
16:13:04 <adamw> still not really clear exactly when this happens, i don't mind kicking it down the road a bit more.
16:13:31 <roshi> that's fine with me
16:13:33 <roshi> +1 punt
16:13:43 <Corey84> +1
16:14:04 <danofsatx> kick it
16:14:22 * danofsatx now has Beastie Boys tunes in his haid
16:14:41 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1249304 - Punt - We need some more time to look into this particular bug.
16:14:43 <Corey84> lol
16:14:48 <Corey84> ack
16:14:50 <pschindl> ack
16:14:55 <danofsatx> ack
16:15:04 <roshi> #agreed - 1249304 - Punt - We need some more time to look into this particular bug.
16:15:22 <danofsatx> (in other news, did y'all see that Bloom County has been ressurected, complete with Bill the Cat?)
16:15:43 <roshi> onto our final proposal
16:15:44 <roshi> #topic (1170765) systemd: all processes in scopes (including user sessions) SIGKILLed immediately on shutdown with no opportunity to shut down cleanly
16:15:47 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765
16:15:49 <roshi> #info Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW
16:16:40 * adamw does not know what bloom county is but is broadly in favour of cats, whatever their names
16:16:48 <adamw> oooh, this one.
16:17:47 <adamw> everyone know about it, or should i give the summary?
16:18:11 <danofsatx> summarize, por favor
16:18:23 <Corey84> new to me  but  not been as  up to speed of late
16:18:45 <adamw> so basically when you shut down any systemd scope, systemd just hard kills everything running in it.
16:18:57 <adamw> the most obvious example is user sessions
16:19:20 <Corey84> so nothing saves essentially  creating a  stateless mode?
16:19:35 <adamw> if you've noticed that f22 seems to shut down user sessions very quickly, that's because it does. it doesn't let everything in them shut down gracefully, what it does is send them a 'please shut down nicely' signal and then one tick later kills them.
16:19:41 <adamw> Corey84: something close to that, yeah.
16:20:12 <Corey84> that can't be  good
16:20:20 <adamw> if you've noticed that firefox often comes up in 'something went wrong' mode, or your bash session history sometimes not being updated, this is the cause. there's obviously other things it can cause, it heavily depends on what you have running.
16:20:32 <Corey84> maybe for  tinfoiler in a kiosk mode but not the  avg  joe/jane
16:20:52 <adamw> this has been kind of lying around for months and honestly i'm very unhappy at how blase the systemd folks seem to be about it
16:21:37 <roshi> +1 blocker on this
16:21:42 <adamw> i'm inclined to +1 blocker this on the 'data loss' basis: there's documented case of it causing fairly minor 'data loss' (bash history being the obvious one), but it clearly has the potential to cause worse.
16:21:42 <Corey84> understandable
16:21:45 <Corey84> +! block
16:21:50 <pschindl> +1
16:21:50 <danofsatx> +1 block
16:21:51 <Corey84> +1 *
16:22:23 <adamw> oh, is anyone secretarying, btw? if not i'll do it
16:22:44 <danofsatx> adamw volunteered - you saw it here, folks
16:23:15 <adamw> =)
16:23:28 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1170765 - AcceptedBlocker Final - This bug violates the following Final criterion: "All known bugs that can cause corruption of user data must be fixed or documented at Common F23 bugs."
16:23:40 <danofsatx> ack
16:23:55 <roshi> this bug is the software equivilent of holding the power button down on your machine and hoping things don't get corrupted
16:24:03 <roshi> every time
16:24:09 <danofsatx> we're not sposta do that?
16:24:57 <roshi> also, the best way to stop your car is to throw it into reverse right away, why bother with any other steps
16:24:58 <adamw> it's been suggested it may be not good
16:25:20 * danofsatx has used trees to stop the car before
16:26:07 * adamw has stopped his snowboard with trees, large walls of snow, other snowboard(er)s, and occasionally small rivers.
16:26:20 <Corey84> nor is a runaway  car adamw
16:26:47 <Corey84> we digress
16:27:00 * danofsatx has a digression planned....
16:27:01 <Corey84> ack on 117075
16:27:41 <roshi> I don't like the easy shortcut to resolving this bugs blocker status either
16:28:01 <adamw> well, i dunno if it's a shortcut, it seems like probably the most appropriate criterion
16:28:23 <roshi> i just mean I won't be happy if this doesn't get fixed and just gets documented
16:28:24 <adamw> what other criterion would be *more* appropriate for a bug that involves shutting down processes unsafely?
16:28:29 <adamw> oh, i see what you mean
16:28:33 <roshi> that's all I meant
16:28:38 <adamw> then yeah, i agree that just documenting it would be a bad call.
16:29:51 <roshi> so all acked?
16:30:04 <roshi> #agreed - 1170765 - AcceptedBlocker Final - This bug violates the following Final criterion: "All known bugs that can cause corruption of user data must be fixed or documented at Common F23 bugs."
16:30:13 <danofsatx> adamw: https://img1.etsystatic.com/022/0/6252525/il_570xN.478145691_guj1.jpg
16:30:41 <adamw> heh
16:31:02 <Corey84> lol
16:31:08 <danofsatx> new QA mascot?
16:32:17 <roshi> onto our proposed Beta FEs?
16:32:25 <roshi> #topic (1255066) inst.sshd option doesn't work i. e. sshd fails to start during installation
16:32:28 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1255066
16:32:30 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, POST
16:32:48 <adamw> seems reasonable for an early beta fe
16:33:32 <danofsatx> agreed....
16:33:34 <danofsatx> +1
16:33:43 <roshi> +1
16:35:53 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1255066 - AcceptedFreezeException Beta - We'd consider a fix during freeze for this issue.
16:36:21 <adamw> ack
16:36:24 <pschindl> ack
16:37:52 <roshi> #agreed - 1255066 - AcceptedFreezeException Beta - We'd consider a fix during freeze for this issue.
16:37:59 <roshi> #topic (1254299) f23 workstation x86_64 Alpha-2 live locks up with intel graphics
16:38:02 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254299
16:38:05 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, NEW
16:39:04 <adamw> so this is the one that's giving satellit gyp
16:39:11 <adamw> bit hard to know about it without decent logs, though
16:39:36 <roshi> yeah
16:41:02 <adamw> has anyone heard similar reports or seen similar hangs?
16:41:05 * adamw is on nouveau
16:41:52 <roshi> I'm on nouveau as well
16:42:18 <sgallagh> I've just upgraded to F23 on Intel, but I'm using an F22 kernel still (due to some problems with multi-monitor support)
16:43:45 <adamw> hmm
16:43:54 <adamw> guess i could boot a live on my laptop or something and see how tha goes
16:45:11 <danofsatx> I just installed two Dell Latitude D630 laptops with alpha-2 Cinnamon last night. no issues other than the reclaim space bug.
16:45:44 <adamw> satellit says the hang happens on workstation but not cinnamon
16:45:44 <danofsatx> Core2Duo with Intel graphics, Centrino and all that shtuph
16:46:28 <danofsatx> hmmm...I didn't even try workstation.
16:46:41 * danofsatx can't subject his children to gnome3
16:47:17 <adamw> do it after they're safely asleep.
16:47:54 <adamw> so i guess i'm kinda punt-y on this one, hoping we'll get some better logs
16:48:02 <roshi> punt for more testing on this one I think
16:48:04 <roshi> yeah
16:48:45 * danofsatx will test tonight
16:49:59 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1254299 - Punt - We'd like some more information on this bug before we determine FE status.
16:50:50 <danofsatx> ack
16:51:14 <adamw> ack
16:51:24 <roshi> #agreed - 1254299 - Punt - We'd like some more information on this bug before we determine FE status.
16:51:36 <roshi> #topic (1255447) Auto-generated kickstart fails with "ValueError: No closing quotation"
16:51:39 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1255447
16:51:41 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, pykickstart, ON_QA
16:52:43 <roshi> this'ns done it looks like
16:52:58 <roshi> I'd be +1 FE though
16:53:39 <Corey84> +1 FE
16:53:46 * danofsatx will abstain and eat his soup
16:53:46 <adamw> sure
16:54:04 <adamw> +1
16:54:14 <Corey84> mostly  for the unlikely  chance its not  fixed
16:55:45 <roshi> proposed #agreed - 1255447 - AcceptedFreezeException Beta - We would consider a fix if this is still an issue during freeze.
16:57:00 <adamw> ack
16:59:51 <roshi> other acks?
17:00:26 <adamw> there's a terrible shortage of acks
17:00:41 <roshi> is the ack field barren?
17:00:49 <roshi> but we bought that whole irrigation thing
17:01:13 <roshi> .fire someone for forgetting to put the water it the ack irrigation system
17:01:13 <zodbot> adamw fires someone for forgetting to put the water it the ack irrigation system
17:01:39 <adamw> we probably shouldn't have bought it from that guy who sold us the bridge.
17:02:01 <sgallagh> ack
17:02:04 <danofsatx> ackity ack
17:02:13 <sgallagh> Don't talk back
17:02:17 * danofsatx was washing his soup bowl
17:02:34 <roshi> #agreed - 1255447 - AcceptedFreezeException Beta - We would consider a fix if this is still an issue during freeze.
17:02:54 <roshi> ok, last one for today
17:02:55 <roshi> #topic (1245786) Build failure on F23
17:02:55 <roshi> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1245786
17:02:55 <roshi> #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, tomcatjss, VERIFIED
17:03:53 <roshi> this one is VERIFIED
17:04:04 <roshi> so I don't think we have to do anything with it
17:04:19 <adamw> well, we would if it hadn't been pushed yet
17:04:26 <adamw> but "tomcatjss-7.1.3-1.fc23 has been pushed to the Fedora 23 stable repository.", soooo...
17:04:44 * adamw closes it
17:05:02 <roshi> #topic Open Floor
17:05:09 <roshi> anyone have anything for open floor?
17:06:36 <danofsatx> wait, the floor is open?
17:06:45 * danofsatx looks for the safety barriers
17:07:00 <adamw> we ordered them from the irrigation/bridge dude.
17:07:08 <adamw> he says they're in transit.
17:07:22 <danofsatx> well, at least the transit is safe.
17:07:33 <adamw> so it looks like nightlies have been not showing up (boot.iso) / broken (live) for the last couple of days, so we probably have other blockers
17:07:40 <adamw> i'll be looking into that today, look out for blocker proposals.
17:08:09 <roshi> sounds like a plan
17:10:22 * roshi sets the fuse
17:10:30 <roshi> 3...
17:12:19 <danofsatx> due....
17:12:45 * danofsatx sets a goal to figure out unicode shortcuts on a US-EN keyboard
17:16:02 <roshi> 2...
17:16:05 <roshi> 1...
17:16:14 <roshi> thanks for coming folks!
17:16:17 <roshi> #endmeeting