16:01:13 #startmeeting F23-blocker-review 16:01:13 Meeting started Mon Oct 12 16:01:13 2015 UTC. The chair is roshi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:13 #meetingname F23-blocker-review 16:01:13 The meeting name has been set to 'f23-blocker-review' 16:01:13 #topic Roll Call 16:01:20 who's around? 16:01:54 * kparal is here 16:04:05 well, might have enough people kparal 16:04:13 danofsatx: tflink ? 16:04:27 what? 16:04:36 you around for the blocker review? 16:04:37 why are you asking danofsatx about me? 16:04:37 let's attach moustaches and pretend to have a few alter-egos 16:05:05 works for me 16:05:13 * danofsatx is writing an email cover letter for a job. Keep it down over here. 16:05:14 tflink: just seemed like hte thing to do 16:05:41 I am totally not just tflink with a moustache 16:05:53 we've only got 4 proposed blocker to go through 16:05:56 I already noticed there's a character limit on nicknames 16:05:58 too bad 16:05:59 and 3 FEs 16:06:02 yeah 16:06:59 well, we have the minimum number of people... so might as well get on with it 16:07:09 #topic Introduction 16:07:09 Why are we here? 16:07:09 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:07:13 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:07:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:07:18 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:07:20 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:07:23 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:07:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Alpha_Release_Criteria 16:07:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:07:31 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria 16:07:38 #topic (1224048) anaconda does not include package download and filesystem metadata size in minimal partition size computation and hard reboots during installation 16:07:41 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224048 16:07:44 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED 16:08:36 it was proposed before, I think we can reject it now. it was mostly fixed, and you need to get very unlucky to hit this bug now 16:08:50 s/proposed/accepted 16:09:14 yay! firefox just crashed 16:09:27 now, otoh, that might be a blocker :) 16:09:39 if you're using f23 16:10:26 this machine is f21 16:12:11 so, do you want some longer tl;dr version of this bug? 16:12:33 sure 16:12:42 * roshi was reading 16:12:57 anaconda netinst requires certain minimum disk space, based on the package set 16:13:07 but if you use netinst, you need to store the packages somewhere 16:13:10 yeah, not sure it passes the 'last blocker' test now 16:13:27 anaconda "forgot" about this use case, so you could easily run out of disk space on the root partition during installation 16:13:32 now it's fixed 16:13:46 but there's still some very small margin when you run out of disk space 16:13:54 it seems to about around 100MB or so 16:14:19 I guess it could be something like filesystem metadata, or bad rounding, or something else 16:14:27 but it's no longer very easy to hit this 16:14:55 now you need to try hard to absolutely minimize the root partition, or get very unlucky in your part size choice 16:17:46 if it sticks around, document in common bugs? 16:17:52 sure. and -1/+1 16:17:59 I'm -1/+1 as well 16:18:02 -1/+1/commonbugs 16:18:08 it's already documented 16:18:22 but I'll need to adjust the description 16:19:03 proposed #agreed - 1224048 - RejectedBlocker Final - This bug isn't common, or easy enough to hit so it's not considered severe enough to be a blocker. It's documented and easy to work around. 16:20:00 who wants to secretarializ 16:20:02 ? 16:20:38 * tflink will 16:20:50 oh sorry, slow fingers 16:20:56 but that's ok :) 16:21:08 ack 16:21:13 * tflink really wouldn't fight you for it :) 16:21:22 ack 16:21:25 lol 16:21:35 #agreed - 1224048 - RejectedBlocker Final - This bug isn't common, or easy enough to hit so it's not considered severe enough to be a blocker. It's documented and easy to work around. 16:21:43 #topic (1269581) GNOME autologin makes boot and shutdown last 90 seconds more 16:21:45 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1269581 16:21:48 #info Proposed Blocker, gdm, NEW 16:22:03 this is going to be a much more interesting debate 16:22:08 SSIA 16:22:26 on shutdown, Xorg crashes, that's probably the cause 16:22:44 on boot, I don't know what's wrong but the delay is random on bare metal (but consistent on VM for me) 16:22:51 probably a race condition somewhere 16:23:09 might be two different bugs, actually 16:23:50 it's unfortunate that quite often you see just a black screen for 90 seconds, so you think the computer is stuck/frozen 16:24:10 or non-reactive plymouth screen, during boot 16:24:50 I'm sorry I haven't managed to ping halfline to at least evaluate this a bit 16:24:58 but lbrabec reproduced this easily 16:28:04 +1 under default application functionality 16:28:19 it seems to me that autologin is quite important system part, and easily reachable part of the settings. I assume it is mostly used for home use, possibly even used by parents of the particular fedora geek :) 16:28:52 my parents don't use autologin, but I can easily imagine they could want to 16:29:09 yeah, I also incline to +1 16:29:09 lol 16:29:39 the criterion is not totally fitting, but I haven't found anything better 16:29:42 does this affect the livecd? 16:29:55 workstation live, rather 16:30:00 no, for some reason 16:30:17 I haven't seen it with Live 16:31:02 if not, I'm not sure this is a blocker ... just don't use autologin if the lag is too much 16:31:17 it can be fixed with an update, no? 16:31:45 sure. it's just that autologin is something you set after install, so you'll get affected even before you have chance to install updates 16:31:54 and it hits you every start and reboot 16:32:07 a bit more inconvenient than some app broken 16:32:16 can you set autologin during install? 16:32:20 * tflink forgets 16:32:21 which are even covered by our criteria quite strictly 16:32:25 not during 16:32:34 on first boot 16:32:47 so yeah, technically you can get updates, if you get them on first boot 16:33:00 that would have to be fixed, though :) 16:33:50 I think it fails the "withstand a basic functionality test" 16:34:00 the question is whether people realize that their system starts and restarts several minutes because of autologin 16:34:06 I mean it technically *works* 16:34:19 it's quite obvious for apps, but quite opaque for system settings 16:34:24 if it's presented as an option @ first boot, it's harder to justify having this issue 16:34:29 but a raw potato is still technically food, I still won't eat it unless it's cooked 16:34:45 if a user had to go dig for it, I'd be ok with it in this state @ release 16:34:54 it's in gnome-control-center 16:35:08 I don't think it's even more prominent somewhere 16:35:15 i really need to do some install testing :-/ 16:35:53 i thought you meant it was in g-i-s 16:36:09 no, I don't think it's there 16:36:10 it's in gcc 16:36:15 * roshi ducks 16:36:25 you have to go to gnome settings to toggle it 16:37:24 we can give +1 blocker to the reboot issue under "Shutting down, logging out and rebooting must work using standard console commands and the mechanisms offered (if any) by all release-blocking desktops. ". and we can punt the boot issue. if you think it's better 16:37:34 I can try to consult with halfline this week 16:38:13 I'm probably -.5/+1 on this 16:38:24 also, Xorg crashing is probably violating our "basic functionality" criterion, even though it's targetted at apps. so we have multiple ways to mark this as blocker 16:39:51 ok, so since there's just 3 of us and we don't have a consensus, let's punt this and hope for more info or more people next time? 16:40:28 yeah, that works 16:40:32 wfm 16:41:10 proposed #agreed - 1269581 - Punt Final - We'd like to get some more input on this from other members of QA before deciding. Pushing to next week. 16:41:53 patch: and/or developers :) 16:41:54 ack 16:41:57 ack 16:42:29 proposed #agreed - 1269581 - Punt Final - We'd like to get some more input on this from other members of QA and or developers before deciding. Pushing to next week. 16:42:44 #agreed - 1269581 - Punt Final - We'd like to get some more input on this from other members of QA and or developers before deciding. Pushing to next week. 16:42:48 #topic (1264012) liveusb-creator doesn't create bootable Live i686 image in default cp mode 16:42:51 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1264012 16:42:54 #info Proposed Blocker, liveusb-creator, NEW 16:43:13 hmm, so we punted this last time 16:43:18 and I don't think we have any new info 16:44:11 and we haven't agreed whether our usb criteria should cover only FN, or also FN+1 16:44:19 yeah 16:44:30 punt again so we have more people to discuss 16:44:56 probably. we could also stop slacking off and ping syslinux maintainers and/or starting discussion those criteria on test list :) 16:45:10 in any case, punt 16:45:28 lol, yeah we could do that I suppose... 16:45:36 the same applies for the next bug 16:45:37 nah, why bother? 16:45:49 it's more fun to whine and complain 16:46:03 proposed #agreed - 1264012 - Punt Final - It doesn't seem like there's any new information on this bug. Punting for the same reason as last time. 16:46:08 ack 16:46:11 ack 16:46:36 #agreed - 1264012 - Punt Final - It doesn't seem like there's any new information on this bug. Punting for the same reason as last time. 16:46:43 #topic (1263988) livecd-iso-to-disk doesn't create bootable usb drive 16:46:45 * adamw woke up, is kinda here if needed 16:46:46 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1263988 16:46:48 #info Proposed Blocker, syslinux, NEW 16:46:58 we're punting all the bugs 16:47:15 adamw: morning, do you have any new info to the syslinux bug? 16:47:21 it's like a regular rugby practice today... working on field goals... 16:47:44 kparal: nothing very useful 16:47:58 ok, so it's punt again 16:48:08 kparal: i tested the litd case and it is definitely syslinux 16:48:16 haven't confirmed that luc is but i'm pretty sure it will b 16:48:42 it works with the f22 syslinux package. it does not work with current syslinux git master, so it's not something they fixed between last stable and current git 16:49:03 it's most likely an issue between syslinux and GCC 5, just like the other syslinux issue we had turned out to be. 16:50:15 so it's going to be around for a bit, regardless then 16:51:40 adamw: if you wanted to read the scrollback regarding 1269581, we can vote on it again if you prefer 16:51:49 in the meantime, punt and go to the next one? 16:52:50 kparal: punt on 1263988? 16:52:56 this is the last one 16:53:13 yes, I think 16:53:21 it's the same reason as the previous one 16:53:32 we still have some FEs to go through 16:53:38 yeah, we do 16:54:14 proposed #agreed - 1263988 - Punt Final - It doesn't seem like there's any new information on this bug. Punting for the same reason as last time. 16:54:27 ack 16:54:29 ack 16:54:35 #agreed - 1263988 - Punt Final - It doesn't seem like there's any new information on this bug. Punting for the same reason as last time. 16:54:52 #topic (1224048) anaconda does not include package download and filesystem metadata size in minimal partition size computation and hard reboots during installation 16:54:55 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224048 16:54:57 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, ASSIGNED 16:54:58 ^^ is a FE 16:55:04 so we're looking at FEs now 16:55:05 we already gave +1 FE here I think 16:55:08 no? 16:55:21 oh, no we didn't 16:55:24 +1 FE then 16:55:47 I think we did, from tim's comment 16:56:06 not in #agreed 16:56:36 oh yeah 16:56:48 did i mess up? 16:57:02 proposed #agreed - 1224048 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix for this after freeze. 16:57:05 no, I did :) 16:57:13 ack 16:57:18 #agreed - 1224048 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd consider a fix for this after freeze. 16:57:38 just have to add the keyword to the whiteboard field 16:57:40 #topic (1269581) GNOME autologin makes boot and shutdown last 90 seconds more 16:57:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1269581 16:57:46 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gdm, NEW 16:58:03 this was a punt, so I say we just leave it 16:59:14 I'd we can give it at least +1 FE right away 16:59:19 *think 17:00:35 yeah, I suppose so 17:00:41 +1 FE for sure on this 17:00:52 and I don't see a lot of argument about it coming later 17:02:09 proposed #agreed - 1269581 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd love to test a fix for this bug during freeze as it could be really annoying for users to run into it. 17:02:16 ack 17:03:30 ack 17:03:32 #agreed - 1269581 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - We'd love to test a fix for this bug during freeze as it could be really annoying for users to run into it. 17:03:38 #topic (1268495) Huge cursor in Wayland desktop and login screen on HiDPI device (MacBook Pro Retina) 17:03:41 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268495 17:03:44 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, mutter, NEW 17:04:07 I think this one might already be fixed in 3.18.1 17:04:44 or sorry, correction, might be already fixed in git, but 3.18.1 release isn't out yet 17:05:19 +1 fe 17:05:32 is there a blocker or FE for 3.18.1? 17:06:09 no ticket yet 17:06:13 I don't think so 17:06:15 * tflink saw the call for builds to be added to the megaupdate but freeze is tomorrow 17:06:16 but I talked with adamw a week or two ago and he seemed to be leaning towards FE'ing it 17:06:23 yeah, it won't make it in for freeze 17:06:29 yeah, it won't make it in before freeze 17:07:10 let's see how the release shapes up, if it looks safe enough, I'd like to try and pull it in through FE 17:07:30 +1 FE 17:07:47 it'll get tested before we pull it in, so having this as an FE is fine I think 17:07:59 +1 17:08:10 +1 FE 17:09:01 proposed #agreed - 1268495 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - It would be good to get a fix tested for this during freeze. 17:09:30 a little lean on the details there? 17:09:35 :) 17:09:43 ack 17:09:58 ack 17:09:59 ack 17:10:11 proposed #agreed - 1268495 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - It would be good to get a fix tested for this during freeze to smooth out the user experience on HiDPI screens. 17:10:22 that better? 17:10:33 ack 17:10:34 ack again 17:10:36 sure 17:10:50 ack 17:11:14 #agreed - 1268495 - AcceptedFreezeException Final - It would be good to get a fix tested for this during freeze to smooth out the user experience on HiDPI screens. 17:11:19 ok, that's all the FE's 17:11:24 #topic open floor 17:11:48 my thought is that we skip going over the accepted blockers for now, and get back to work on other stuff 17:12:14 I think it's better to have more people to go over them, since the 3 of us aren't likely to have all the info on all of them 17:12:19 any objections? 17:13:02 none here 17:13:06 nope 17:13:13 * tflink has no shortage of other stuff to do today :) 17:13:37 * danofsatx is muy buzy 17:14:00 I kinda figured :) 17:14:06 thanks for coming folks! 17:14:11 * roshi sets fuse... 17:14:13 3... 17:16:06 2... 17:16:09 1... 17:16:12 #endmeeting