17:02:25 #startmeeting F28-blocker-review 17:02:25 Meeting started Mon Mar 5 17:02:25 2018 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:25 The meeting name has been set to 'f28-blocker-review' 17:02:28 #meetingname F28-blocker-review 17:02:28 The meeting name has been set to 'f28-blocker-review' 17:02:31 #topic Roll Call 17:02:36 morning folks, who's around for blocker review fun? 17:03:39 * satellit listening 17:03:42 .hello2 17:03:43 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 17:04:42 sgallagh: nirik: kparal: sumantro: tflink: ping 17:04:49 * kparal is here 17:04:54 Not today, sorry. Swamped. 17:05:56 perhaps coremodule is also around? 17:06:29 * tflink is here 17:08:22 looks like it's the qa gang :P 17:10:59 alrighty 17:11:10 #chair tflink kparal 17:11:10 Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink 17:11:18 #topic Introduction 17:11:18 Why are we here? 17:11:18 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 17:11:18 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 17:11:20 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 17:11:21 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 17:11:23 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 17:11:26 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 17:11:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 17:11:30 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Beta_Release_Criteria 17:11:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Final_Release_Criteria 17:12:40 we have: 17:12:42 #info 4 Proposed Blockers 17:12:42 #info 5 Accepted Blockers 17:12:45 (for beta) 17:12:55 anyone volunteer to secretarialize? 17:14:28 * tflink can 17:14:32 nah, frantisekz is the volunteer 17:14:40 frantisekz: you're welcome 17:14:57 * tflink certainly isn't going to stop someone else from doing it :) 17:15:25 ... -_- , it was pretty long since last blocker meeting, will leave it to somebody else for now :D 17:15:38 I'll guide you 17:16:12 #info gestalt entity consisting of kparal and frantisekz will secretarialize 17:16:24 alrighty, moving onto the proposed Beta blockers 17:16:30 #topic (1551096) anaconda fails to run on live images in current F28 / Rawhide 17:16:30 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551096 17:16:30 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED 17:16:48 this ought to be fixed when the next compose completes sometime in 2067, but for now, i'd say it's an obvious blocker 17:16:55 so, +1 17:17:03 yep, surely +1 17:17:18 +1 17:17:37 Hi 17:17:44 +1 17:17:47 .fas Lailah 17:17:47 Lailah: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 17:17:48 +1 17:17:58 Sorry that I'm so late 17:22:58 sorry 17:23:02 * adamw got distracted again... 17:23:46 proposed #agreed 1551096 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is an obvious violation of "The installer must run when launched normally from the release-blocking images" 17:23:52 ack 17:23:55 ack 17:23:56 ack 17:23:58 Lailah: no problem 17:24:01 #agreed 1551096 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is an obvious violation of "The installer must run when launched normally from the release-blocking images" 17:24:04 ack 17:24:07 #topic (1551664) Panel appears at top of screen, is very incomplete 17:24:07 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551664 17:24:07 #info Proposed Blocker, plasma-desktop, NEW 17:26:01 assuming I understand correctly, +1 17:26:11 That looks very odd. 17:26:18 +1 17:26:20 +1 17:26:24 +1 17:27:00 tflink: nothing much to understand, just see the screenshot :) 17:27:12 kde should have a fairly 'normal' panel with launcher and stuff on it, it...doesn't 17:27:29 ah, for some reason, I thought it was a bug about the one thing that shows up 17:27:51 Which thing? 17:28:06 proposed #agreed 1551664 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - clear violation of "No part of any release-blocking desktop's panel (or equivalent) configuration may crash on startup or be entirely non-functional", as several intended default elements of the panel, including key ones like the app launcher, are missing or invisible 17:28:25 ack 17:28:31 ack 17:28:52 ack 17:28:55 ack 17:29:27 Lailah: the "default" bit in the upper left hand corner 17:30:18 Well, it shouldn't be there. Not alone at least. I mean, usually there's more in the desktop than just a "default". 17:30:27 i mean, the bug is really about both 17:30:28 ack 17:30:39 the weird thing that *is* there shouldn't be there, and the normal thing that isn't there *should* be there. :P 17:30:42 #agreed 1551664 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - clear violation of "No part of any release-blocking desktop's panel (or equivalent) configuration may crash on startup or be entirely non-functional", as several intended default elements of the panel, including key ones like the app launcher, are missing or invisible 17:31:02 #topic (1551653) Composes taking nearly a day and a half to complete 17:31:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551653 17:31:03 #info Proposed Blocker, pungi, NEW 17:31:36 so this hits the rarely-used 'other reasons why things can block the release besides violating the criteria' text 17:31:49 +1 17:31:51 but i think it's a pretty solid case: i don't think we can reasonably achieve a release with a compose process that takes 32 hours. 17:32:03 any idea what the cause is? 17:32:12 i'm betting 'modularity'. 17:32:20 but, we'll see. lsedlar is looking into it, apparently. 17:32:35 i only found out about this when i woke up 90 minutes ago, so i'm playing catch-up here. 17:33:26 It looks like it's when it's trying to multiarch the modular repo... 17:33:33 but yeah, not sure. ;) 17:34:15 +1 17:34:16 Give me a moment to read, please, I didn't see the messages 17:34:30 +1 17:35:01 Okay, yes, +1 17:37:05 proposed #agreed 1551653 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is considered to block the release on the basis that it "hinders execution of required Beta test plans or dramatically reduces test coverage", as per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Beta_Release_Criteria#Beta_Blocker_Bugs 17:37:12 ack 17:37:21 ack 17:38:06 ack 17:38:11 #agreed 1551653 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is considered to block the release on the basis that it "hinders execution of required Beta test plans or dramatically reduces test coverage", as per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_28_Beta_Release_Criteria#Beta_Blocker_Bugs 17:38:12 ack 17:38:14 heh 17:38:31 :D 17:38:32 #topic (1551677) FreeIPA server deployment fails with "This entry already exists" error 17:38:32 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1551677 17:38:32 #info Proposed Blocker, freeipa, NEW 17:39:02 so i just found this one this morning 17:39:16 but looks pretty solidly like a blocker. this is about the fifth different reason for freeipa deployment to fail this cycle.. 17:39:56 +1 17:39:59 +1 17:40:00 +1 17:40:01 +1 17:41:56 proposed #agreed 1551677 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - clear violation of "Release-blocking roles and the supported role configuration interfaces must meet the core functional Role Definition Requirements to the extent that supported roles can be successfully deployed, started, stopped, brought to a working configuration, and queried" for the domain controller role 17:42:06 ack 17:42:15 ack 17:42:27 ack 17:43:29 ack 17:43:39 #agreed 1551677 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - clear violation of "Release-blocking roles and the supported role configuration interfaces must meet the core functional Role Definition Requirements to the extent that supported roles can be successfully deployed, started, stopped, brought to a working configuration, and queried" for the domain controller role 17:43:47 that's all the proposed blockers i have; anyone know of anything else we should consider? 17:44:52 nothing I know of 17:45:29 I think I mentioned something in the mailing list, but I still don't know where to file the bug. 17:45:41 Lailah: which bug was this again, sorry? 17:45:50 * adamw is trying to keep track of a lot... 17:46:11 In some HP laptops Fedora Workstation may boot but have no input, or not boot at all. 17:46:35 Spins work fine so far, at least the ones I tested. 17:46:52 ah. i think that may have been a known issue - at least the 'no input' part 17:47:02 Lailah: does https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1547691 sound like the same thing? 17:47:03 Oh. I see. 17:47:14 Let me check... 17:47:14 if so, it should be resolved in new composes, when we get one... 17:47:48 Not completely. 17:47:53 adamw: switch topic? 17:48:17 I tried Workstation as live and not even the keyboard works, but no GDM because it was live. 17:48:41 #topic Open Floor - HP issues 17:49:13 thanks kparal 17:49:29 There's really no input at all. 17:49:45 Lailah: hum, okay. can you try it with the next compose, when one finally completes, and if it's still a problem, file the bug against mutter (that's as good a guess as any) and propose it as a blocker? 17:49:50 Cursor doesn't move, whether is a mouse or a touchpad, and no keyboard 17:49:53 if the component is wrong, don't worry, we'll figure that out and change it. 17:50:04 well, either mutter or kernel. either is a reasonable guess. 17:50:08 Okay, sure. I'll do so adamw. 17:50:12 thanks a lot 17:50:28 But the spins have the same kernel, isn't it? 17:50:32 Spins work well. 17:51:02 mutter is it then probably 17:51:13 I installed KDE and XFCE without an issue. And I know someone who couldn't boot Workstation but installed Mate. 17:51:43 ah, yeah. then yes, go with mutter. 17:51:45 * satellit tried everthing netinstall? 17:56:40 am I lagging or is nothing happening? :) 17:57:29 I was wondering the same 17:57:40 sorry, me being distracted again 17:57:47 i was looking through the accepted blockers to see if we needed to discuss any 17:58:16 i think not really, maybe just it'd be good if someone can confirm whether https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1524700 is still an issue 17:58:27 and we should re-test https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1530428 17:58:54 #topic Open Floor 17:59:32 I don't know those bugs adamw , I can't tell. 18:01:00 any fix in sight for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1524700 instal from fmw usb to external usb HD ? 18:02:21 satellit: that's one i just mentioned, it'd be good to confirm if it's still happening 18:02:28 satellit: is it still happening on recent composes? 18:02:42 ok will test for it..... 18:03:17 next compose of lives 18:03:54 Okay 18:04:53 thanks 18:05:04 assuming it's still happening, i don't know any more about a fix than is written in the bug :( 18:05:11 but it's a blocker, so it's gonna have to get fixed 18:05:32 #info of the accepted blockers, it'd be good to re-test #1524700 and #1530428 with recent composes 18:05:39 ok, so i think that's all 18:05:42 anything else? 18:07:51 Not that I know of. 18:08:53 alrighty then 18:08:57 thanks for coming, everyone 18:08:58 * adamw sets fuse 18:09:17 thanks for leading the meeting adamw 18:09:31 frantisekz: thanks for secretarializing. you see, no reason to be shy 18:09:38 I hopefully filled everything fine to the bugzillas :D 18:09:50 you can do it again next time, to get some practice 18:10:06 I agree 18:10:29 * adamw will check it was correct 18:10:32 thanks again! 18:10:36 #endmeeting