16:00:09 #startmeeting F29-blocker-review 16:00:09 Meeting started Mon Oct 22 16:00:09 2018 UTC. 16:00:09 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:09 The chair is coremodule. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:09 The meeting name has been set to 'f29-blocker-review' 16:00:09 #meetingname F29-blocker-review 16:00:09 The meeting name has been set to 'f29-blocker-review' 16:00:09 #topic Roll Call 16:00:15 .hello2 16:00:15 Good morning everyone! 16:00:16 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 16:00:45 .hello2 16:00:47 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 16:00:49 * kparal is here, mostly available, perhaps 16:00:58 hi kparal :) 16:01:17 hi frantisekz and bcotton 16:01:19 .hello pfrields 16:01:20 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 16:01:23 .hello2 16:01:27 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 16:01:29 hi coremodule :) 16:01:39 I guess it's not morning everywhere... but it is 5 o'clock somewhere. 16:01:41 Here for one WS topic when it comes up... also need to cram food in my face simultaneously so relocating 16:01:47 .hello2 16:01:48 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 16:02:09 Who wants to secretarialize today? 16:02:54 * satellit listening 16:02:57 * nirik is lurking 16:02:59 coremodule: will handle it :) 16:03:06 frantisekz++ 16:03:06 lruzicka: Karma for frantisekz changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:03:15 thanks frantisekz :) 16:03:25 #chair frantisekz bcotton 16:03:25 Current chairs: bcotton coremodule frantisekz 16:03:36 you are leading all the meetings, so I can help you at least this way :D 16:03:42 well, lets get started! 16:03:49 #topic Introduction 16:03:49 Why are we here? 16:03:49 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:03:49 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:03:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:03:51 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:03:53 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:03:57 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:03:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:04:01 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:04:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_29_Final_Release_Criteria 16:04:15 #info Proposed Blockers 16:04:29 #topic (1636739) kickstart doesn't find standard repos Fedora 29 beta Everything netinst (metalink False) 16:04:30 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1636739 16:04:30 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED 16:05:19 +1 B 16:06:00 * satellit worked for me last week in vm 16:06:04 +1 blocker. nice that there's a fix already. 16:06:10 Today, I had a visitor from Anaconda team, who told me that they already have fixed this, tested it and merged in a "big bunch of updates". If we accept it as a blocker, it will be dealt away right on. 16:06:17 +1 blocker 16:06:21 +1 blocker 16:06:49 * nirik does not like 'big bunch of updates' ;( 16:07:08 unless each "update" is "specific bugfix" 16:07:32 I do not know what that was supposed to mean. 16:07:39 for an accepted blocker or fe. ;) 16:07:40 just noting: we'll pull the fix with the new dnf 4 anyway 16:07:47 * pwhalen is here 16:07:56 yeah, looks like it's in there already. 16:07:58 I thought that they probably added it to more anaconda fixes- 16:08:00 proposed #agreed 1636739 - AcceptedBlocker - WE find this bug is a violation of the following criteria: "The installer must be able to use all supported local and remote package and installer sources." We note that the anaconda team says a fix has been submitted and merged and will be available ASAP. 16:08:08 ack 16:08:11 ack 16:08:11 ack 16:08:11 +1 blocker/ack 16:08:12 ack 16:08:20 #agreed 1636739 - AcceptedBlocker - WE find this bug is a violation of the following criteria: "The installer must be able to use all supported local and remote package and installer sources." We note that the anaconda team says a fix has been submitted and merged and will be available ASAP. 16:08:32 #topic (1637418) Switching keyboard layouts is not working without relogin/reboot 16:08:32 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1637418 16:08:32 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell, NEW 16:08:48 +1 blocker 16:09:00 +1 16:09:02 Workstation WG voted +1B 16:09:19 +1 16:09:21 so it's blocker anyway If I am not mistaken 16:09:38 * satellit saw this in previous bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631920 16:09:44 yesterday's non-blocker is a today's blocker. 16:09:57 kparal was right about the status last time. :) 16:09:59 +1 b if WS says so 16:10:18 #info Workstation WG voted +1 blocker 16:10:19 +1 16:10:23 Indeed, the keyboard switching bug was voted +1 blocker this morning because it basically makes the Live image unusable for anyone non-USA 16:10:50 or, s/anyone/many people/ 16:10:52 proposed #agreed 1637418 - AcceptedBlocker - We find this bug to be a violation of the following blocker criteria: "Default panel functionality - All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use." 16:10:55 whoops 16:11:35 proposed #agreed 1637418 - AcceptedBlocker - We find this bug to be a violation of the following blocker criteria: "Default panel functionality - All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use." We note that the Workstation WG has voted +1 blocker on this bug. 16:11:47 ack 16:11:49 ack 16:11:56 ack 16:11:57 ack 16:12:04 #agreed 1637418 - AcceptedBlocker - We find this bug to be a violation of the following blocker criteria: "Default panel functionality - All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use." We note that the Workstation WG has voted +1 blocker on this bug. 16:12:06 ack 16:12:18 #topic (1636271) LSI mpt3sas driver not in kernel 16:12:18 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1636271 16:12:18 #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, MODIFIED 16:12:30 what the hell is mpt3sas for? 16:12:39 hahaha 16:13:11 well, whatever it is, the fix is already available in the latest kernel. 16:13:57 we should find some criterion for it, I tried to do some google thingie but didn't find anything useful and simple yet (aka ELI5) 16:14:19 hmm, it's a sas driver... 16:14:30 https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2016:1930 16:14:32 It's a driver for an LSI brand SAS controller AFAICT 16:15:16 -1 blocker, +1 fe 16:15:27 -1 b, +1 fe 16:15:35 hmm, the fix is available, why not to pull it, but making it just FE makes sense 16:15:37 I am not sure that there is a criteria for a specialized driver. 16:15:41 If I get a vote, -1 B, +1 FE. 16:15:52 it will get pulled anyway, we have plenty of time before the release... :D 16:15:55 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#storage-interfaces 16:16:14 it leads to testcase SAS but SAS is not mentioned in "what are they" 16:16:18 ^^kparal 16:16:18 so take your pick 16:16:48 the test case says: All installable SAS devices are successfully detected by installer and are available for partitioning. 16:16:52 kparal: That can't be a criterion here, because without including mpt3sas in the kernel, that interface isn't supported. ;-) 16:17:08 in that case, I might revote +1 blocker 16:17:16 but that's just one driver if i understand it correctly 16:17:32 anyway... looks like it doesn't matter if it's blocker or just FE 16:17:33 lruzicka: the test case doesn't define blockers, criteria do 16:17:33 probinson's description in-bug doesn't specify if this is an installer issue, or after the system has been loaded. I think we could play semantics there and go either way... 16:17:38 frantisekz, which will spoil the installation if you happen to have that device 16:17:43 lruzicka: Logically, it can't be a blocker on that criterion though. Until the driver is in the kernel, it couldn't possibly be considered supported by Fedora. ;-D 16:17:47 +1 as noted in c#3 it affects a number of aarch64 hw 16:18:04 kparal, but the test case gives me guidelines how to understand the criteria 16:18:15 +0B / +1 FE for me 16:18:18 I am +1 blocker, especially since the fix is already in place and available. 16:18:29 revote to +1 b 16:18:34 lol 16:18:46 based on kparal's criteria given above. 16:18:54 give me a sec to read the bug 16:19:23 stickster, I get your point :) However, if I have that SAS device and it did not work for me, I'd be pissed. 16:19:44 agreed. Especially if it worked with previous kernels/releases. 16:20:06 did it? it sounds like a it's a new driver 16:20:33 The installer case is the big one, if this prevents a user from installing, then this is definitely a blocker. 16:20:35 hmm 16:20:36 lruzicka: You could say the same about any device whose driver is not in the kernel, though. Was this driver, or a predecessor, previously in? 16:20:55 lets ping probinson and see if he's around. 16:21:16 stickster, I do not know ... never had a sas device. 16:22:02 i dont think it's new, based on this: 16:22:02 https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2016:1930 16:23:24 I don't think it's whether it's *new* as in "not old" that's the case here. It's whether the module is included by default. If that state hasn't changed, this is just a request for it to be included. And it can't be a blocker by the criterion. 16:23:46 so, let's have another say .... technically, both a blocker and an FE works since we have it already. 16:23:49 Anyway, I'm on this one. It's going to end up included shortly either way. 16:24:02 But if it's included in RHEL, shouldn't it be included in Fedora as well? 16:24:30 And if it has been in RHEL since at least 2016, doesn't that mean we've supported it in Fedora-land since at least then? 16:24:34 coremodule: there are drivers in RHEL that Fedora doesn't include. I think Fedora got rid of floppy driver well before RHEL for instance. That's not a criterion. 16:24:41 accept as FE, punt on blocker, include it, done 16:24:45 sticker 16:24:45 kparal++ 16:24:47 stickster: Karma for kparal changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:24:50 let's do FE, we won't have to argue :D 16:24:59 0 blocker, +1 fe 16:25:02 sorry, stickster, FE would do all right in the end 16:25:14 we also have another FE for the same kernel version 16:25:15 +1 fe then 16:26:27 proposed #agreed 1636271 - AcceptedFreezeException - We find this bug worthy of AcceptedFreezeException status as the fix is already available and we can't find specifics regarding if the mpt3sas driver has been included in Fedora before or if it is a new addition. 16:26:33 ack 16:26:38 ack 16:26:39 ack 16:26:44 äck 16:26:44 #agreed 1636271 - AcceptedFreezeException - We find this bug worthy of AcceptedFreezeException status as the fix is already available and we can't find specifics regarding if the mpt3sas driver has been included in Fedora before or if it is a new addition. 16:27:18 #info moving on to AcceptedFreezeExceptions 16:27:32 Proposed maybe? 16:27:41 whoops! 16:27:47 #undo 16:27:47 Removing item from minutes: INFO by coremodule at 16:27:18 : moving on to AcceptedFreezeExceptions 16:28:12 #agreed 1636271 - AcceptedFreezeException - We find this bug worthy of RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException status as the fix is already available and we can't find specifics regarding if the mpt3sas driver has been included in Fedora before or if it is a new addition. 16:28:17 darn it 16:28:30 .fire coremodule 16:28:30 adamw fires coremodule 16:28:36 #agreed 1636271 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException - We find this bug worthy of AcceptedFreezeException status as the fix is already available and we can't find specifics regarding if the mpt3sas driver has been included in Fedora before or if it is a new addition. 16:28:39 There! 16:28:40 hah 16:28:50 How can adamw fire someone when he is on a vacation? 16:28:53 hmm... 16:28:56 .fire adamw 16:28:56 adamw fires adamw 16:29:01 we rejected it as a blocker? 16:29:07 yes 16:29:12 a suicide now? 16:29:12 adamw knows know limits in where or how he can fire people 16:29:15 ok, I guess I missed it 16:29:31 #info moving on to Proposed Freeze Exceptions 16:29:43 #topic (1640409) Atomic Host Installclass detection not working 16:29:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1640409 16:29:44 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, ON_QA 16:30:24 +1 FE 16:30:28 let's skip all the anaconda/dnf FEs 16:30:35 they'll get pulled with dnf 4 16:30:41 no matter what we decide 16:30:58 well that definitely shouldn't be the case 16:31:13 it's in one update (anaconda depends on dnf somehow) 16:31:22 already pushed stable 16:31:36 if it's pushed stable, just close it 16:31:55 it'll close itself 16:32:00 ah, it is stable 16:32:16 ok, it makes sense to skip those 16:32:38 #info skipping all anaconda/dnf fe's as the updates surrounding those are already stable 16:32:47 #topic (1641268) dracut-network: iscsi module causes device timeout on boots with resume= cmdline arg 16:32:47 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1641268 16:32:47 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, dracut, NEW 16:34:15 The long wait time is annoying 16:35:48 I have pinged dustymabe for more info here as to what the fix would look like 16:36:01 I am not sure, +1 FE perhaps, however the fix might not be ready anyway ... 16:36:09 it'd be great to know if the fix is somehow isolated 16:36:11 * bcotton is relocatiing 16:36:17 if it is, sure, let's do FE 16:36:55 punt for now? 16:36:59 from dustymabe in #fedora-cloud: actually the fix is going to be not too hard 16:37:01 we can vote on thursday 16:37:19 frantisekz, we won't look at the FE's on Thursday I don't think.. 16:37:26 ... my bad 16:37:42 ok, if there is a chance that a fix will be available, then I am for +1 FE 16:37:44 dustymabe: but I actually vote -1 FE and let us send a 0 day update 16:37:58 dustymabe: let's just document as common bug 16:38:05 ^^ the above from dustymabe 16:38:21 ok, in that case, -1FE 16:38:24 I would vote +FE if I knew the fix wouldn't break anything else... but I am not sure atm 16:38:30 so -1 FE 16:38:33 heres the fix 16:38:34 this is the fix we're going to go with https://github.com/dracutdevs/dracut/issues/480#issuecomment-431608097 16:38:47 hmm 16:38:59 looks like it's isolated to iscsi 16:39:22 so, +1 FE? 16:39:38 If the maintainer wants to vote -1FE, then why not listen to him? 16:39:56 not the maintainer, just the reporter 16:40:30 ok .... so I am fully perplexed. 16:40:43 the fix looks like it's pretty simple isolated thingie, so I am more inclined to +1FE 16:40:53 This seems like a "if this happens to make it, it's worthwhile," which sounds +1FE and -1B 16:41:01 I do agree, it seems isolated to iscsid 16:41:07 *nod 16:41:12 +1 FE 16:41:15 ok, then lets be it 16:41:15 +1 FE 16:41:21 +1 16:41:32 #info A fix has been made, we're just waiting for it to get pulled in 16:42:33 proposed #agreed 1641268 - AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:42:41 ack 16:43:31 ack 16:44:10 #info the fix seems isolated to iscsid 16:44:14 one more ack... 16:44:20 ack 16:44:23 #agreed 1641268 - AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:44:33 #topic (1628209) kernel 4.18.5-200.fc28.armv7hl has non-functional ethernet on wandboard quad 16:44:33 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628209 16:44:33 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, MODIFIED 16:44:45 +1 fe 16:45:38 +1 FE 16:45:43 =1 FE 16:45:46 +1 FE 16:45:46 +1 FE 16:45:50 +1 FE 16:46:08 Proposed #agreed 1628209 - AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:46:15 ack 16:46:18 ack 16:46:19 ack 16:46:26 #agreed 1628209 - AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:46:37 #topic (1639765) Rock960 hangs after boot 16:46:37 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1639765 16:46:37 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kernel, MODIFIED 16:47:02 +1 FE 16:47:17 +1 FE 16:47:26 +1 FE 16:47:30 +1 FE 16:47:30 +1 FE 16:47:33 Proposed #agreed 1639765 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:47:46 ack 16:47:46 ack 16:48:31 one more...! 16:48:38 ack 16:48:39 ack 16:48:48 #agreed 1639765 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:48:57 #topic (1641254) Backport a couple of mutter memory leaks 16:48:57 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1641254 16:48:57 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, mutter, MODIFIED 16:49:40 +1 fe, but needs to get enough karma 16:49:46 +1 FE 16:49:50 +1 FE 16:49:52 +1 FE 16:49:54 * stickster goes to take dog out before his bug comes up in blocker status checks 16:49:57 +1 16:50:16 #info this bug needs more karma to go stable 16:50:26 kparal, we can take a look tomorrow and karma if ok. 16:50:42 I'll also give it a look after the meeting 16:51:05 proposed #agreed 1641254 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. We additionally note that this bug needs more positive karma to be pushed stable. 16:51:15 ack 16:51:18 ack 16:51:19 stickster: we could've discussed it with priority, sorry :( 16:52:01 one more.. 16:52:02 np, back now. 16:52:52 ack 16:52:56 #agreed 1641254 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. We additionally note that this bug needs more positive karma to be pushed stable. 16:53:10 #topic (1640488) evince has moved from evince.desktop to org.gnome.Evince.desktop 16:53:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1640488 16:53:10 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, shared-mime-info, VERIFIED 16:53:35 +1 FE 16:53:51 +1 FE, tested --- works 16:53:53 +1 FE 16:54:00 +1 FE 16:54:00 based on in-bug votes... 16:54:01 +1 FE 16:54:03 proposed #agreed 1640488 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:54:24 #info the fix has been tested and found to work 16:54:37 ack 16:54:40 ack 16:54:48 ack 16:54:51 #agreed 1640488 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. 16:55:01 #topic (1640352) Final (hopefully) version of spin-kickstarts for f29 16:55:01 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1640352 16:55:01 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, spin-kickstarts, VERIFIED 16:55:13 +1 FE, dtto 16:55:30 +1 FE 16:55:31 +1 FE 16:55:48 +fe 16:55:58 +1 fe 16:56:19 +1 fe 16:56:46 proposed #agreed 1640352 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. It is also noted that the original blocker classification of this bug was based on old criteria, and as such no longer qualifies as a blocker. 16:56:53 ack 16:56:55 ack 16:57:00 ack 16:57:06 ackingly ack 16:57:17 #agreed 1640352 – AcceptedFreezeException - This bug has been noted to be a "nice-to-have" fix, so we accept it as an AcceptedFreezeException. It is also noted that the original blocker classification of this bug was based on old criteria, and as such no longer qualifies as a blocker. 16:57:39 okay, review time! the best part of a three-course blocker review. mmm mmm 16:58:06 #info moving on to review the accepted blockers 16:58:16 #topic (1632177) dnf segfault in libdnf::TransactionItem::saveReplacedBy() 16:58:16 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632177 16:58:16 #info Accepted Blocker, dnf, VERIFIED 16:58:57 This one is already closed. 16:59:02 coremodule : I need to go no, secretary job is hopefully done, thanks for leading the meeting , bye all 16:59:08 *to go... :D 16:59:09 frantisekz, by 16:59:24 frantisekz: not done, but we'll handle it 17:00:05 #1632177 is closed -> errata 17:00:10 lruzicka, kparal if the bug is closed, when will it lose it's blocker status, or do we have to do that manually? 17:00:28 it's closed, it's resolved, nothing to do 17:00:32 just go to the next one 17:00:34 fantastic 17:00:44 #topic (1636743) dnf update --refresh fails for repo_gpgcheck=1 17:00:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1636743 17:00:44 #info Accepted Blocker, dnf, VERIFIED 17:01:00 surprise 17:01:02 closed 17:01:15 next :) 17:01:16 seems the app did not update 17:01:25 it did, just refresh 17:01:25 #topic (1633133) [abrt] gjs: gtk_box_pack(): gjs-console killed by SIGSEGV 17:01:25 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1633133 17:01:25 #info Accepted Blocker, gnome-maps, POST 17:01:47 oh wow 17:01:48 What is the resolution on google maps, stickster? 17:02:02 this one is the crasher, that's the non-controversial one I believe 17:02:03 Thanks for the ping here lruzicka 17:02:08 * stickster back 17:02:09 we'll discuss it for the next bug? 17:02:22 The crasher SEGV has a fix upstream that is getting into the package now via kalev 17:02:25 this one just got an update, which is great 17:02:27 (now-ish) 17:02:41 I'm here for the other one ;-) 17:02:41 thanks for the help frantisekz 17:03:05 #info we need karma on the fix for this 17:03:16 #info https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-6dc96f6d57 17:03:33 I can have a look tomorrow and heat it a little with Karma. 17:03:44 #topic (1637751) Display gets messed up when routing panel is active 17:03:44 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1637751 17:03:44 #info Accepted Blocker, gnome-maps, NEW 17:03:50 lruzicka, that works great! 17:03:53 This is the one :-) 17:04:15 stickster, you have the conn 17:04:17 #info Workstation WG was grateful to be consulted here, and doesn't believe this belongs on the blocker list 17:04:59 why do they think so? 17:05:02 the argument is that it's not universally broken, because many people see it working fine, even on wayland (and bare metal) 17:05:21 several reasons -- (1) the problem isn't reproducible in all expected cases -- including some people on wayland and/or baremetal 17:05:24 however, our testing and community response was quite negative, a lot of "here as well" 17:05:34 yes, it hit me as well 17:05:42 I agree, I haven't seen the bug personally, but a lot of people have... 17:06:03 so it might be something in the graphics stack 17:06:08 rather than the app 17:06:12 ^^ 17:06:18 (2) the fix may be far down the stack into clutter and we don't want to destabilize other stuff 17:06:45 (3) given the test of "would we hold up the release for this?" this doesn't seem like it meets the bar 17:07:11 Speaking only for myself, I would argue basic functionality is "can you get a map on screen, and are you located on it" 17:07:29 well, there's basically two things you can do with gnome-maps - display a map, and plan a route 17:07:38 there's not much anything else 17:08:13 so I'd personally classify it under basic functionality. but I understand the "not universally broken" argument 17:08:33 /me would be tempted to say gnome-maps is not essential stuff, just pull that package if it is broken 17:08:37 don't hold up the release for it 17:08:41 if it was universally broken, I'd stand by our criterion "basic functionality must work" (or we would need to cancel that criterion) 17:08:52 nb: that was considered 17:09:09 stickster: want to summarize pulling gnome-maps from a default install? 17:09:13 I also do not think that blocking on this is the best choice here, based on the above listed reasons and the chance that this is a graphics issue and not an app issue. 17:09:23 kparal, I think stickster has his point here ... it shows you the route, but it only looks bad. 17:09:26 I don't think we want to pull things from default on a bug with this kind of disagreement. 17:09:36 kparal, so some functionality is there indeed. 17:09:50 Plus, note the route function not working isn't debilitating. You can close the pane fine and continue using Maps for other things. 17:10:03 btw, I am one of the people who sees this bug 17:10:03 not always 17:10:10 sometimes you don't even see the pane, just white space 17:10:42 kparal: Did you know that if you have the pane open already and choose "Route to here," it may work fine? 17:10:43 I remember we couldn't even resize the app 17:11:39 I'm fine with moving it to common bugs and rejecting as a blocker, with the argument that in certain configurations it works fine 17:12:12 Let's take a vote: 17:12:18 we should also clear up whether workstation wg has a final say in any question regarding workstation image. that would save us a lot discussion :) 17:12:30 Yes, I noticed that too. I would say this is not "hold release" worthy and due to the total of all arguments, the WG was -1 to this being a blocker, but would be +1 FE if we can happen to get a fix from upstream 17:12:44 I agree with stickster 17:12:45 stickster: was workstation WG unanimous in this judgment? 17:13:04 bcotton: I think everyone who participated in the discussion was agreed, yeah 17:13:16 some of them asked for pulling gnome-maps from default install, iirc 17:13:42 A couple did, but they also agreed with "OK for not blocking." 17:13:50 ok. i'm inclined to defer to Workstation on this since it's their deliverable 17:14:12 yeah, that's what I said we should clear up in the future :) 17:14:21 yeah, that makes sense. 17:14:25 I think we may want to pull this from the default based on whether or not we can resolve the state of maintenance upstream, which is uneven. But that shouldn't be tied to F29 release (though arguably it should be tied to our F30 readiness) 17:14:26 ok, based on workstation wg opinion, -1 blocker +1 FE +common bugs 17:14:52 -1 blocker, -1 FE 17:14:58 -1 Blocker, +1 FE 17:15:04 lruzicka: why -1 FE? 17:15:04 -1 B, +1 FE, +1 CB 17:15:07 -1 blocker 17:15:07 -1 blocker +1 FE +common bugs 17:15:14 oops, sorry, mistake 17:15:23 s/-/+/ 17:15:27 gotcha 17:15:41 unanimous we are 17:16:18 fyi, I also asked bcotton to hold the Workstation WG to a survey of maintenance on our default apps for next release 17:16:37 stickster: ack 17:17:18 Cool, thanks for the opp'ty to speak up here :-) 17:17:59 17:18:06 proposed #agreed 1637751 – RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException – After much deliberation and hearing from stickster as representative from the Workstation WG, we have unanimously decided to not block the release on this bug, based on the fact that 1) the bug is not universal, 2) the fix may destabilize other things, and 3) it seems overly-zealous to block the release on this bug. We accept it as a Freeze Exception 17:18:06 in case a fix comes about soon. 17:18:08 stickster: please stay around, if you have updates regarding the rest of desktop blockers 17:18:13 Oh yeah 17:18:34 ack 17:18:47 ack 17:18:47 ack 17:19:00 ack 17:19:08 #agreed 1637751 – RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException – After much deliberation and hearing from stickster as representative from the Workstation WG, we have unanimously decided to not block the release on this bug, based on the fact that 1) the bug is not universal, 2) the fix may destabilize other things, and 3) it seems overly-zealous to block the release on this bug. We accept it as a Freeze Exception in case a 17:19:09 fix comes about soon. 17:19:26 #topic (1640701) GNOME Software "update and restart" button appears to do nothing 17:19:26 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1640701 17:19:26 #info Accepted Blocker, gnome-software, NEW 17:20:04 has anyone reproduced this? 17:20:50 Not personally, but I had heard from kalev who I *thought* said had a fix ready 17:20:52 if not, and we're all trusting a single report, adamw will get you all fired 17:21:18 I think kalev is working on this bug 17:21:43 I can try it now, if you want. Will take 3 mins. 17:21:47 When I run on my workstation, *something* happens, I get the "Checking..." prompt and the progress spinner. 17:21:54 lruzicka, yes please! :) 17:22:19 stickster, is that for an update that requires a Reboot? 17:22:31 #info lruzicka to test this right now 17:22:38 these are firmware updates which I think do that? 17:22:47 ah, okay, want to give it a try? 17:22:55 It'll drop me offline here, but sure :-) 17:23:06 we will hold the meeting for your return! 17:23:09 lol 17:23:13 I can see, that my installation does exactly what is described in this bug 17:23:14 I hit the button, let's see what happens. 17:23:19 #info stickster to also attempt to reproduce the bug 17:23:35 I don't have any other opinion on this bug. I only know kalev was working on it. 17:23:43 wait, now it switched to the dialogue that lets me reboot and update 17:24:02 so, I would say, that it shows cancel until the packages are ready and then goes on 17:24:17 well, co I tried. dnf shows 500MB of updates, gnome-software claims there are none 17:24:46 the only malfunction is, that the progress is not enough shown and waiting can be long with lots of updats 17:25:18 and the comp is updating without further issues. 17:25:32 it seems we'll have a gnome-software testing day tomorrow (or today, coremodule) 17:25:50 So the firmware updates worked as expected. 17:25:55 it's simply not showing me any updates 17:26:03 tu sum up: The behaviour is not perfect, but it seems to me that it still works in the background. 17:26:05 However, they aren't the same as the bug filed. They don't seem to require reboot. 17:26:32 * stickster sorry his tests didn't really help here. 17:27:13 What is reported in the bug is actually very correct. 17:27:19 Problem: The button changes to a "cancel" button. Nothing happens for at least a few minutes. Clicking cancel aborts whatever it was doing. 17:27:41 I can confirm this ... it does not take 5 minutes for me, but it could with a lot of updates. 17:27:52 *nod 17:27:59 solution: Kalev tells me that it's a UX problem and that if I waited long enough, it would eventually complete. 17:28:09 I also can confirm that. 17:29:06 I guess I'll file a new bug tomorrow. can't make it to show any updates 17:29:22 maybe restart packagekit? 17:29:25 * stickster is hopelessly up to date on everything and can't either :-D 17:29:51 stickster, can you get with kalev and get some updates as to where the fix stands? 17:30:01 and report in bug? 17:30:53 yep 17:31:24 #info stickster to get with kalev on the status of a fix for this bug and report any findings in-bug 17:32:13 #info coremodule to run some gnome-software tests today 17:32:18 #topic (1632981) Cannot commit Japanese candidates or Korean Hangul in gnome-terminal and libreoffice 17:32:18 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632981 17:32:18 #info Accepted Blocker, gtk3, NEW 17:32:24 thanks stickster 17:33:03 See comment 10 here 17:33:35 I have been corresponding with on of the gnome maintainers and he sounds confident to have multiple fixes available for this. 17:33:49 It's just a matter of time until they show up here. 17:34:28 see also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632981#c10 17:36:44 Not sure what else there is to add here. and I'm late for another call at this point :-) 17:36:50 I think this was the last desktop thing, though? 17:37:50 #info there are several fixes available that should be in GNOME 3.30.2, we are just waiting for them to land here in Fedora-land 17:38:06 stickster: there's also packagekit, but that is assigned to libdnf 17:38:32 that will be the last bug discussed I believe 17:39:09 #topic (1632518) PackageKit installs packages from default module streams, but does not enable the module stream 17:39:10 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1632518 17:39:10 #info Accepted Blocker, libdnf, POST 17:40:21 It looks like there's a working fix via both packages 17:40:46 that's all I can see, and I have no other data hee, so I'm vanishing :-) 17:41:07 stickster: thanks, see you 17:41:26 stickster, thanks for showing up and helping be our mediator between QA and Workstation WG :) 17:41:35 np folks, thanks 17:41:41 take care 17:42:28 it does look like a fix is in place here 17:46:08 #info a fix is in the works for this bug 17:46:45 okay everyone, do we have the strength to carry on to the accepted freeze exceptions?? 17:47:21 I'd say that's a homework for coremodule and frantisekz, ehm ehm... 17:47:50 we can go through those that you're unsure whether to include or not in the next compose 17:48:25 I am okay with this. I haven't spent much time looking at the FEs so far, the blockers just seemed so much more... pressing. :P 17:48:28 Well, as I see only two are verified --- the rest should not go anywhere 17:49:08 those in modified have a koji build 17:49:23 #coremodule and frantisekz to look into the freeze exceptions and post in-bug there on any additional data found 17:49:24 so those are the possible set to include 17:49:27 kparal, why arent they on qa then? 17:49:38 they'll be onqa once they're in updates-testing 17:49:52 so either they're not submitted to bodhi yet, or not pushed yet 17:50:11 #info coremodule and frantisekz to look into the freeze exceptions and post in-bug there on any additional data found 17:50:39 coremodule: hah, you're trying to have your own zodbot command! 17:50:43 ok, so I can take a look tomorrow and if there's a koji build and I know how to test, I will and update the status. 17:50:51 #coremodule kparal 17:50:52 thanks 17:50:53 ^^ 17:51:08 * kparal feels modular 17:51:17 modprobe kparal 17:51:25 ls -la kparal 17:51:27 lruzicka, lol 17:52:07 * kparal crashes 17:52:09 I suggest we call this off now, seems like we are the only three people here. 17:52:15 ack 17:52:20 /me is still here, but has nothing to contribute 17:52:22 everyone else is fired 17:52:31 #topic Open Discussion 17:52:33 * bcotton has leading spaces, apparently 17:52:36 Okay anything else?? 17:52:38 great i work to do 17:52:46 nothing here 17:53:12 * bcotton has nothing 17:53:13 alright everyone, thanks for showing up and being here...! Lets see what we can get done in the next couple of days! 17:53:16 As already said, I will go and try to test what has koji builds and I will know how. 17:53:18 closing meeting in 3... 17:53:25 2... 17:53:36 1... 17:53:51 #endmeeting