17:03:30 #startmeeting F30-blocker-review 17:03:30 Meeting started Mon Mar 4 17:03:30 2019 UTC. 17:03:30 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:03:30 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:30 The meeting name has been set to 'f30-blocker-review' 17:03:30 #meetingname F30-blocker-review 17:03:30 The meeting name has been set to 'f30-blocker-review' 17:03:30 #topic Roll Call 17:03:39 morning folks! who's around for super fun f30 blocker review times? 17:03:48 .hello2 17:03:49 jlanda: jlanda 'Julen Landa Alustiza' 17:04:06 * sumantro is here 17:04:14 * coremodule is here, ready to act as Secret Terry. 17:04:23 * satellit listening 17:04:23 *secretary 17:04:35 .hello2 17:04:38 lbrabec: lbrabec 'Lukas Brabec' 17:04:51 .hello2 17:04:52 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 17:05:30 .hullo 17:05:39 .hello lruzicka 17:05:40 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 17:06:06 #info coremodule will secret terrialize 17:06:25 (OK, that's officially the point at which no-one will ever understand that line in the minutes ever again) 17:06:34 .hello2 17:06:35 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 17:06:43 #chair bcotton lruzicka 17:06:43 Current chairs: adamw bcotton lruzicka 17:07:17 lol 17:07:42 incoming boilerplate alert 17:07:42 #topic Introduction 17:07:43 Why are we here? 17:07:43 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 17:07:44 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 17:07:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 17:07:46 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 17:07:48 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 17:07:50 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 17:07:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 17:07:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_30_Beta_Release_Criteria 17:07:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_30_Final_Release_Criteria 17:09:48 for Beta, we have: 17:09:49 #info 3 Proposed Blockers 17:09:50 #info 2 Accepted Blockers 17:09:54 #info 2 Proposed Freeze Exceptions 17:10:01 #info above was for Beta 17:10:10 #info for Final, we have: 17:10:13 #info 1 Proposed Blockers 17:10:24 #info we will start with proposed Beta blockers 17:10:32 #topic (1683197) gdm Fails to load with "nomodeset" 17:10:32 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1683197 17:10:32 #info Proposed Blocker, gdm, NEW 17:11:14 +1 17:11:20 +1 17:11:23 if this truly happens on any hardware, it seems reasonable 17:11:30 would be nice to have more confirmation of that though 17:11:34 has anyone else tried? 17:11:58 I did not. 17:11:59 * pwhalen is here 17:12:18 can test now 17:12:21 +1 17:13:14 lruzicka: sounds good 17:14:21 +1 17:14:23 adamw, my VM froze 17:14:35 so, I am +1 on this one 17:15:02 oh, testing on metal would be more interesting than testing on VM 17:15:23 but vm gives and some kind of hardware agnostic test 17:15:24 1) there are only a few VM configurations, 2) nomodeset is much more practically useful on metal than on VMs 17:15:38 a hardware agnostic test is exactly the *opposite* of what we want for a bug like this :) 17:15:40 anyhow 17:16:07 i think we can accept it for now with a note that it can be reconsidered if further testing indicates it 17:16:25 I can test tomorrow on bare metal, thats no problem, 17:16:36 testing it now would take some 10 minutes 17:16:46 however, I can still do it if you wish, Adam 17:17:12 proposed #agreed 1683197 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - for now we accept this as a violation of the cited criterion, note further testing on bare metal systems may cause a re-evaluation if the bug turns out not to happen in some cases 17:17:14 +1 17:17:20 nah, it's fine, we can do it as follow-up 17:17:22 +1 17:17:23 ack 17:17:24 ack 17:17:25 ack 17:17:32 #agreed 1683197 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - for now we accept this as a violation of the cited criterion, note further testing on bare metal systems may cause a re-evaluation if the bug turns out not to happen in some cases 17:17:42 #topic (1673710) [abrt] virt-manager: gst_caps_set_simple_valist(): python3.7 killed by SIGSEGV 17:17:42 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1673710 17:17:42 #info Proposed Blocker, gstreamer1, NEW 17:18:24 adamw, fyi I checked the BM computer here, it had Rawhide on it, does the same thing 17:18:28 so, it seems clearly the case that both the 'supported' virt apps don't work right for graphical VMs in their default configs (using qxl / virtio) 17:18:57 er, using SPICE, rather 17:19:05 you can work around the problem by using VNC, not sure how easy that is for Boxes 17:19:30 definitely +1 final for me, probably +1 beta, not sure the workaround is enough 17:19:51 +1 beta blocker from me 17:20:40 +1 beta 17:20:44 +1 beta blocker 17:20:55 +1 17:21:04 +1 beta 17:21:06 +1 beta blocker, you cannot workaround it properly because you receive no sound 17:21:55 ok 17:23:08 +1 beta from me too 17:23:13 proposed #agreed 1673710 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - accepted as a violation of "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release". We note that using VNC can be considered a 'workaround', but still think the bug is a blocker, and note that it is not straightforward to do this in Boxes and it is not equal in quality to the default config 17:23:29 ack 17:23:37 ack 17:23:40 ack 17:23:44 ak 17:23:47 ack 17:23:56 ack 17:25:29 #agreed 1673710 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - accepted as a violation of "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release". We note that using VNC can be considered a 'workaround', but still think the bug is a blocker, and note that it is not straightforward to do this in Boxes and it is not equal in quality to the default config 17:25:38 #topic (1684612) Review Request: f30-backgrounds - Fedora 30 default desktop background 17:25:38 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1684612 17:25:38 #info Proposed Blocker, Package Review, NEW 17:26:50 so, this is basically the 'background must be different from previous releases' thing 17:26:58 +1 17:27:01 i'm fine with taking this bug as a proxy for it 17:27:19 and at least it's happening now and not two days before release! 17:27:23 +1 17:27:27 yay! :D 17:27:30 +1 17:27:46 +1 17:28:08 +1 17:28:22 +1 17:28:56 proposed #agreed 1684612 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - accepted as a violation of "The default desktop background must be different from that of the last two stable releases" (the new package needs to be approved, built and pushed in order to meet that criterion) 17:29:08 ack 17:29:12 ack 17:29:19 ack 17:29:33 ack 17:29:35 ack 17:29:36 ack 17:30:03 #agreed 1684612 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - accepted as a violation of "The default desktop background must be different from that of the last two stable releases" (the new package needs to be approved, built and pushed in order to meet that criterion) 17:30:25 #topic Proposed Beta freeze exceptions 17:30:40 #info as we'll be in Beta freeze very shortly, let's review these next 17:30:52 also note a new one has shown up since start of meeting, so we have 3 17:30:58 #topic (1684808) dark theme in Mate leads to unreadable text 17:30:58 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1684808 17:30:58 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, NEW 17:31:10 there's a screenshot in the bug, +1 FE for me, obviously can't be fixed with an update, and worth fixing 17:31:28 i'm slightly worried about why anaconda did this in the first place and if just taking it out will affect something else, but... 17:31:40 makes it very hard to use installer...only in mate 17:31:55 +1 FE 17:31:59 +1 FE 17:32:36 +1 FE 17:32:42 +1 FE 17:32:59 +1 FE 17:33:37 proposed #agreed 1684808 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this bug makes it hard to read the installer in MATE and obviously cannot be fixed with an update 17:35:20 ack 17:35:26 ack 17:35:30 ack 17:35:46 ack 17:36:01 ack 17:36:56 #agreed 1684808 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this bug makes it hard to read the installer in MATE and obviously cannot be fixed with an update 17:37:02 #topic (1600444) Wrong conflicts between dnf and yum prevents upgrade 17:37:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1600444 17:37:03 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, dnf, ASSIGNED 17:37:25 i proposed this as an FE for 30 because we took it as an FE for 29, it's the same bug 17:37:42 it prevents upgrade without --allowerasing in a fairly common scenario 17:39:34 i'm +1 FE but I also wonder if we're just going to be granting a freeze exception for this until the end of time 17:39:45 there's no inherent reason why that should be the case 17:39:49 it's just the dnf team being weird again 17:40:01 i have no idea why they decided to "solve" this for f29 with a release-based conditional in the spec file 17:40:11 and i pointed that out at the time, to which the response was crickets 17:41:40 fwiw, i had dinner with the DNF PM last week and am going to try to insert myself into their meetings a bit, so hopefully we'll get more of a voice in the future 17:41:51 yay 17:43:33 any other votes? 17:43:42 +1FE +1 bigger dinner budget for bcotton then 17:43:54 jlanda++ 17:43:54 bcotton: Karma for jlanda changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:43:58 but how does +1 FE solves the situation? 17:44:09 It doesn't really 17:44:33 if we had that as a blocker it would make them act accordingly, right? 17:45:08 We sit next to the dnf team here and I know how terribly busy they are, but why not do it once and properly? 17:45:08 +1 FE , they are going to fix it even if it's FE 17:45:39 also.... I don't think need to have --allowerasing should be blocker, definitely not the beta blocker 17:45:42 lruzicka: granting the bug an FE does nothing to compel the dnf team to fix it in a non-silly way, but it does at least mean the bug can get fixed. :P 17:46:16 adamw, the least we can do 17:46:18 the reason for an FE for an upgrade bug, btw, is so that people who try and upgrade during the freeze can get the fix, since upgrades run with the repo config from the system being upgraded, and stable installs usually don't have updates-testing enabled, so upgrades usually run without packages from u-t 17:46:22 +1 17:46:51 +1 FE 17:47:02 +1 FE 17:47:41 proposed #agreed 1600444 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - accepted as this interferes with upgrades in a common case. Granting an FE allows a fix to go to F30 stable during freeze, so upgrades run without updates-testing enabled (the usual case) during freeze period will not hit the bug 17:47:41 +1 FE 17:47:48 ack 17:47:57 ack 17:48:04 ack 17:48:47 ack 17:48:56 ack 17:49:18 #agreed 1600444 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - accepted as this interferes with upgrades in a common case. Granting an FE allows a fix to go to F30 stable during freeze, so upgrades run without updates-testing enabled (the usual case) during freeze period will not hit the bug 17:49:27 #topic (1677732) "Advanced Network Configuration" appears in "X-GNOME-Sundry" folder 17:49:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1677732 17:49:27 #info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gsettings-desktop-schemas, NEW 17:49:41 i think some other things showed up in this weird folder too in recent composes, though i didn't look into it in detail 17:49:52 abrt is one, it breaks the openQA desktop app test 17:50:06 as this looks weird and is confusing i'm +1 FE 17:50:13 (and it's in the workstation live so can't be fixed with an update) 17:50:24 Resume: upstream moved from 'System' to 'Utilities' and we have some garbage on gnome-shell. This is a SHOULD not a MUST in our criteria pointed guidelines, but it worth it 17:50:42 +1FE 17:50:50 +1 FE. seems weird and shouldn't break anything to fix it 17:50:55 adamw, my test is broken because of that? 17:50:57 +1 FE 17:51:06 lruzicka: well, i mean, the test isn't broken 17:51:17 but it fails :) 17:51:23 +1 FE 17:51:26 just that step, all the other steps pass. 17:51:43 adamw, shall I make it work or shall we wait until this gets fixed? 17:52:50 +1 FE 17:53:32 uh i'll look at it later 17:54:02 proposed #agreed 1677732 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this will be visible and confusing in the Workstation live, so it's worth fixing and cannot be fixed with an update 17:55:06 ack 17:55:11 ack 17:55:32 ack 17:55:36 ack 17:55:37 #agreed 1677732 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this will be visible and confusing in the Workstation live, so it's worth fixing and cannot be fixed with an update 17:55:43 #topic Proposed Final blocker 17:55:49 #info finally, we'll do the proposed Final blocker 17:55:52 #topic (1683189) [abrt] gnome-remote-desktop: handle_socket_data(): gnome-remote-desktop-daemon killed by SIGABRT 17:55:53 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1683189 17:55:53 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-remote-desktop, MODIFIED 17:58:12 so, crashes after you connect to a host then disconnect? 17:58:36 maybe this is moot because it appears to be fixed already, but.... it's not clear to me what the problem is. does the crash on disconnect prevent future connections? 17:58:44 not sure either 17:58:51 it's not exactly moot if we're frozen for beta soon either 17:58:57 maybe punt for more info and consider a beta fe? 17:59:13 well moot for a final blocker, at least :-) 17:59:15 it seems so. If you disconnect, then it fails and you cannot reconnect 17:59:34 but yeah. i'd favor a beta FE and see if we have to deal with it again later :-) 17:59:47 I see in the comment: "Installing gnome-remote-desktop-0.1.7-1.fc30 the issue doesn't appear anymore." 18:00:11 ah 18:00:15 and that's tagged f30 18:00:22 so should make the next compose if it's not in one already... 18:00:36 if it's going to happen.... :D 18:00:49 well, there has to be a compose before we can do a release =) 18:00:59 i think easiest thing to do is just close it as FIXED... 18:01:27 #info the fix for this is built and tagged f30 so will be in any future composes, thus no practical need to consider this bug, we will close it 18:01:29 sound OK? 18:01:32 wfm 18:01:46 yeah 18:02:14 alrighty 18:02:17 #topic Open floor 18:02:32 any other business? new proposals, F30 release process related stuff... 18:03:56 adamw, I can bring it up here ... I am not sure how to deal with modularity bugs 18:03:58 the blocker review email may come out early or very late this week since i'll be on the proverbial road 18:04:32 bcotton: rgr 18:04:39 lruzicka: how do you mean? 18:04:59 I have tried to install every single module in F30 and lots of them: 18:05:03 a) cannot be installed 18:05:20 b) have profiles named default by they do not behave as default really 18:05:30 c) some have no profiles at all 18:05:37 d) some cannot be installed 18:05:47 sorry, a and d is the same 18:06:04 ok, and the question is... 18:06:39 what is the difference between a feature and a bug here 18:06:46 and what are moduler blockers? 18:06:53 I think we do not have any rules set. 18:07:04 sgallagh: any thoughts? 18:07:23 I was told, for example, that some modules are not installable on purpose ... how shall I know as a tester 18:07:24 : 18:07:26 ? 18:07:51 to me, so far as blocking *releases* goes, issues in a module can only be release blocker bugs if it's a default stream module and the bug prevents some feature in the criteria from working because it should be provided by that default stream module 18:07:57 I’m in an all day meeting today and tomorrow. 18:07:59 no bug in a module that isn't a *default* can block the release afaics 18:08:05 sgallagh: rip :( 18:08:06 Can we discuss this on Wednesday? 18:08:13 sure 18:08:15 sgallagh, yeah 18:08:21 Thanks 18:08:33 lruzicka: as for being a blocker *in the context of the module itself*...i think at least to an extent that's something the module itself gets to define 18:08:51 i'm not sure if there are any specific standards/expectations like 'all modules must have a working default profile' or anything, that's why i pinged sgallagh 18:09:06 or if there's a specific process to follow if any of those standards (if they exist) are not followed by a given module 18:09:08 No, they need not 18:09:09 adamw, in RHEL they started to call profiles common and not default to avoid misinterpretation 18:09:10 but we should definitely find that out 18:09:45 lruzicka: OK, so let's follow this up some more with sgallagh when he's less busy :) 18:09:48 anything else? 18:09:52 I will think about some questions for sgallagh and discuss it with him later. 18:09:57 sounds good 18:10:26 lruzicka: Actually, book an hour tomorrow with me. We are currently at a hackfest on Modularity and this would be a good topic to cover. 18:11:04 ok, sgallagh, what time suits best? 18:11:11 alrighty, let's wind up the meeting 18:11:14 thanks for coming, folks 18:11:17 see you next time! 18:11:18 #endmeeting