16:03:01 <adamw> #startmeeting F32-blocker-review
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16:03:01 <adamw> #meetingname F32-blocker-review
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16:03:01 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
16:03:06 <bcotton> .hello2
16:03:07 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
16:03:12 <lruzicka> .hello2
16:03:14 <adamw> morning folks, who's around for blocker fun
16:03:14 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
16:03:20 <coremodule> .hello2
16:03:21 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
16:03:29 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:03:30 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:03:33 <coremodule> Ready for secretary duty.
16:03:35 <kalev> .hello2
16:03:36 * pwhalen is here
16:03:36 <zodbot> kalev: kalev 'Kalev Lember' <klember@redhat.com>
16:04:00 <kparal> .hello2
16:04:01 <zodbot> kparal: kparal 'Kamil Páral' <kparal@redhat.com>
16:04:15 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello jbwillia
16:04:18 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@gmail.com>
16:06:47 <adamw> wow, good turnout
16:07:00 <adamw> it's almost like more people are staying home than normal!
16:07:13 <adamw> #chair pwhalen kalev
16:07:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kalev pwhalen
16:07:19 <adamw> boiler plate alert
16:07:20 <adamw> #topic Introduction
16:07:21 <adamw> Why are we here?
16:07:21 <adamw> #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
16:07:22 <adamw> #info We'll be following the process outlined at:
16:07:22 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
16:07:24 <adamw> #info The bugs up for review today are available at:
16:07:25 <adamw> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
16:07:27 <adamw> #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
16:07:29 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
16:07:33 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_32_Beta_Release_Criteria
16:07:35 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_32_Final_Release_Criteria
16:08:15 <adamw> #info coremodule will secretarialize
16:08:44 <adamw> #info for Beta, we have:
16:08:44 <adamw> #info 2 Accepted Previous Release Blockers
16:08:55 <adamw> #info for Final, we have:
16:08:55 <adamw> #info 4 Proposed Blockers
16:08:56 <adamw> #info 1 Accepted Blockers
16:09:10 <adamw> #topic Beta previous release blockers
16:09:13 <adamw> just want to check in on these first
16:09:26 <adamw> #topic (1767351) Cannot upgrade to Fedora 32: Modules blocking the upgrade path
16:09:26 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1767351
16:09:26 <adamw> #info Accepted Previous Release Blocker, dnf-plugins-extras, ON_QA
16:09:47 <adamw> for F31 the fix is karma'ed and pushed stable
16:10:09 <adamw> for F30, it's built and kparal has confirmed the fix, but it needs more karma: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-02ee4b1a1c
16:10:20 <adamw> it'd be great if more folks could test F30->F32 upgrades with that update in place and karma it
16:10:59 <adamw> #info F31 fix is stable, F30 fix still needs more karma - we need folks to test F30 to F32 upgrades with https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-02ee4b1a1c installed and provide karma so it can be released today
16:12:00 <kalev> I wonder if we should try to change supported fedora lifecycles. almost nobody seems to be using F30 at this point
16:12:02 <adamw> #topic (1804564) Cannot upgrade to Fedora 32: Modules blocking the upgrade path
16:12:03 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1804564
16:12:03 <adamw> #info Accepted Previous Release Blocker, PackageKit, ON_QA
16:12:39 <adamw> kalev: i dunno what the numbers are on that. it could also be that they're just more passive users, less likely to post update feedback.
16:12:46 * kalev nods.
16:12:58 <adamw> we do tend to get *negative* feedback when the -2 release breaks
16:13:02 <adamw> there are definitely users
16:13:03 <bcotton> yeah, i think it's more likely that "almost no active fedora contributors seem to be using F30"
16:13:11 <adamw> dunno how many will be doing upgrades to f32 beta from it, but hey
16:13:21 <kalev> we've made it super easy to do in place upgrades to newer fedoras (and gnome-software is nagging about it a lot) so I'd assume it's made a lot of people upgrade early
16:13:33 <adamw> yeah, for workstation the numbers might skew to n-1 as well
16:13:40 <adamw> probably a lot of n-2 users are running servers
16:14:01 <kalev> ah yes, that sounds likely
16:14:10 <adamw> so, status on this one is exactly the same, it's the same fix
16:14:34 <adamw> (well, different code, but all the fixes for both issues are in the same update at this point)
16:14:42 <adamw> #info F31 fix is stable, F30 fix still needs more karma - we need folks to test F30 to F32 upgrades with https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-02ee4b1a1c installed and provide karma so it can be released today (yes, same status as the other bug)
16:15:05 <adamw> any other notes on these paired issues or shall we go on to Final?
16:15:09 <lruzicka> adamw, I have set up a Fedora 30 VM and I am going to try that upgrade
16:15:15 <adamw> lruzicka: thanks!
16:15:19 <adamw> i also plan to test it today
16:17:00 <kalev> if you really really want it go out before the beta announcement tomorrow then it probably needs a special push from releng late tonight
16:17:16 <adamw> yeah, i'll bug mboddu for that
16:17:20 <adamw> once we have karma
16:17:24 <kalev> great :)
16:17:43 <adamw> ok, moving on to...
16:17:47 <adamw> #topic Proposed Final blockers
16:18:04 <adamw> #topic (1811382) anaconda failed to login to the iscsi target if attachment takes longer than ~15 seconds
16:18:04 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1811382
16:18:04 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, ASSIGNED
16:18:19 <adamw> so, this is a conditional violation, the condition is right there in the bug topic :)
16:18:25 <kalev> oh just one last thing on the previous topic -- if anyone is testing gnome-software updates, can you leave karma to the F30 gnome-software build in updates-testing as well, please?
16:18:36 <adamw> kalev: aha, thanks, will do
16:18:39 <kalev> thanks
16:19:12 <adamw> i'm probably -1 on this, on balance, it works if your network connection is decent, and you're probably not going to have a good experience with iSCSI in general if the connection is this slow...
16:19:16 <adamw> +1 FE though
16:19:17 <Southern_Gentlem> adamw, all DEs or just work and kde
16:19:36 <Southern_Gentlem> on the upgrade tests
16:19:40 <mboddu> adamw: If you can give karma to it (again since the builds got changed), I can push it once the current push is done
16:19:44 <adamw> Southern_Gentlem: just testing dnf system-upgrade and GNOME Software should suffice
16:19:53 <Southern_Gentlem> testing
16:19:58 <adamw> Southern_Gentlem: dnf is the recommended upgrade tool for all but Workstation, i don't know if KDE tools can actually do an upgrade
16:20:10 <adamw> mboddu: yes, that's the plan
16:20:55 <bcotton> -1 blocker, +1 FE
16:21:13 <frantisekz> -1 Blocker, +1 FE
16:21:33 <kalev> -1 blocker, +1 FE
16:21:53 <lruzicka> adamw, is there a decent failure message for the problem?
16:22:05 <adamw> lruzicka: no, that's one of the things anaconda team says they will fix
16:22:09 <adamw> that's certainly FE worthy for me
16:22:17 <adamw> see comment #21 (most recent comment)
16:22:21 <lruzicka> isn't it blockworthy?
16:22:41 <adamw> mmm, is it?
16:22:59 <adamw> this isn't new behaviour, f31 is the same, see #c18
16:23:14 <lruzicka> well, maybe your connection only temporarily sucks so you cannot expect a failure and you still get it
16:23:21 <adamw> we noticed this now because lili's network got slower, it seems - see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1811382#c18
16:23:50 <lruzicka> see, you do not expect a slow network if you normally do not have it, so it can be really frustrating if you hit it
16:24:51 <pwhalen> -1 blocker, +1 FE
16:25:36 <lruzicka> but it looks that folks are not convinced, so at least +1 FE
16:27:59 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1811382 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected as it's only a conditional violation in an unusual condition (in the normal case, iSCSI works fine) and it's not new behaviour (F31 behaves the same). Accepted as an FE issue as it cannot be addressed with an update and a fix or mitigation (better error message for e.g.) would be welcome for the Final release
16:28:38 <kalev> ack
16:29:18 <bcotton> ack
16:29:27 <lruzicka> ack
16:29:32 <adamw> #agreed 1811382 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected as it's only a conditional violation in an unusual condition (in the normal case, iSCSI works fine) and it's not new behaviour (F31 behaves the same). Accepted as an FE issue as it cannot be addressed with an update and a fix or mitigation (better error message for e.g.) would be welcome for the Final release
16:29:39 <adamw> #topic (1812896) No help is shown in Anaconda during installation.
16:29:39 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1812896
16:29:39 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST
16:29:44 <adamw> pretty straightforward +1
16:29:50 <adamw> criteria say this has to work, it doesn't work :)
16:29:55 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:29:58 <adamw> i keep meaning to automate this test, though...
16:30:09 <regenbogen> Hello?
16:30:16 <regenbogen> Am I too late?
16:30:27 <regenbogen> I'm Lailah
16:30:31 <adamw> hi
16:30:40 <adamw> no, we're about halfway in
16:30:47 <regenbogen> Oh, okay.
16:30:49 <adamw> we're on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1812896 right now
16:30:57 <regenbogen> .fas lailah
16:30:58 <zodbot> regenbogen: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com>
16:31:12 <kparal> +1 blocker
16:31:14 <frantisekz> +1 Blocker
16:31:28 <pwhalen> +1 Blocker
16:31:35 <regenbogen> +1 Blocker
16:32:19 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 block
16:32:37 <bcotton> +1 blocker
16:33:11 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1812896 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a clear violation of Final criterion "Any element in the installer interface(s) which is clearly intended to display 'help' text must do so correctly when activated."
16:33:36 <lruzicka> yeah, my blocker
16:33:44 <kparal> ack
16:33:48 <regenbogen> ack
16:33:51 <lruzicka> ack
16:33:54 <kalev> ack
16:34:13 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:34:34 <bcotton> ack
16:34:48 <adamw> #agreed 1812896 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a clear violation of Final criterion "Any element in the installer interface(s) which is clearly intended to display 'help' text must do so correctly when activated."
16:35:01 <adamw> #topic (1803996) systemd-ask-password-console.service: Unit configuration has fatal error
16:35:01 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1803996
16:35:01 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, dracut, MODIFIED
16:36:15 <adamw> so, we considered this last week
16:36:28 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1803996#c7 has the decision, we punted it
16:36:37 <adamw> it doesn't seem like any new information was added, and cmurf isn't around
16:36:43 <adamw> maybe punt again...
16:37:15 <regenbogen> lruzicka:  you said "my blocker" and I imagined you hugging your blocker and running away with it so nobody else can have it.
16:37:51 <lruzicka> regenbogen, :D it was a blocker I proposed. :D
16:38:27 <regenbogen> lruzicka: I know  :-D
16:38:40 <bcotton> should we needinfo cmurf or someone?
16:39:25 <lruzicka> given the fact we are out of freeze with some time left, we can punt again
16:39:26 <adamw> regenbogen: i give all of mine names
16:39:28 <adamw> :P
16:39:39 <lruzicka> sweet :D
16:39:45 <adamw> bcotton: my secret plan is that we push an update and it's all fine!
16:39:54 <adamw> but yeah, probably
16:39:57 <bcotton> i like that plan!
16:40:05 <adamw> and maybe check anaconda team is okay with dracut 050 now we solved the anaconda bug (we hope)
16:40:52 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1803996 - punt (delay decision) again - we punted this last week for more information on various things, and we don't have all that info yet. we will check in with cmurf on the details of the bug, and anaconda team on whether they're happy with the current dracut 050 update as it stands
16:41:00 <regenbogen> adamw:  :-P
16:41:19 <regenbogen> adamw: I like that plan too!
16:41:23 <bcotton> ack
16:41:28 <regenbogen> ack
16:41:33 <frantisekz> ack
16:41:40 <pwhalen> ack
16:42:15 <Southern_Gentlem> ack
16:42:22 <lruzicka> ack
16:42:36 <kalev> ack
16:42:47 <adamw> #agreed 1803996 - punt (delay decision) again - we punted this last week for more information on various things, and we don't have all that info yet. we will check in with cmurf on the details of the bug, and anaconda team on whether they're happy with the current dracut 050 update as it stands
16:42:57 <adamw> #topic (1812293) F32 background not used on desktop by default (but is used on login screen, lock screen)
16:42:57 <adamw> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1812293
16:42:57 <adamw> #info Proposed Blocker, kde-settings, NEW
16:43:32 <adamw> so, the Final criterion is "The proposed final Fedora artwork must be included and used as the background on release-blocking desktops."
16:43:38 <adamw> so, this didn't block Beta, but clearly blocks Final.
16:43:58 <regenbogen> KDE Settings seems to have more weird errors in the last times. From what I experienced.
16:44:18 <regenbogen> adamw:  I agree.
16:44:38 <kparal> +1 final
16:44:46 <bcotton> +1 blocker
16:44:48 <Southern_Gentlem> +1 blocker
16:44:59 <adamw> regenbogen: it turns out the problem is upstream moved the setting, basically
16:45:05 <adamw> we now need to set it in some plasma subpackage or other
16:45:08 <lruzicka> +1 blocker
16:45:16 <frantisekz> +1 Blocker
16:45:19 <regenbogen> adamw:  Oh. Okay.
16:45:25 <adamw> rdieter figured it out before beta, but the problem is that plasma in dist-git had been bumped ahead of the version that's in stable
16:45:37 <adamw> so in order to just fix the background setting, we would have had to pull a whole new Plasma version through the freeze
16:45:41 <adamw> that didn't make sense, so we didn't do it
16:46:04 <regenbogen> So... now...  what do we do?
16:46:06 <adamw> once beta freeze is lifted, we'll get an update with the new Plasma version and the background fix
16:46:25 <regenbogen> Oh, okay.  So this is already fixed?
16:46:41 <adamw> well, we have a plan to fix it, let's say :)
16:46:55 <adamw> proposed #agreed 1812293 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a clear violation of "The proposed final Fedora artwork must be included and used as the background on release-blocking desktops."
16:47:06 <lruzicka> ack
16:47:35 <frantisekz> ack
16:47:43 <regenbogen> ack
16:47:48 <adamw> #agreed 1812293 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - accepted as a clear violation of "The proposed final Fedora artwork must be included and used as the background on release-blocking desktops."
16:48:00 <adamw> and that is actually everything on my list!
16:48:21 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:48:30 <adamw> that's all we have on the list for today - any other concerns etc.?
16:49:08 <regenbogen> Uhm...  I'd like to comment a couple of issues I've been experiencing with KDE
16:49:28 <adamw> go right ahead
16:49:28 <regenbogen> I didn't file a bug yet, because I'm not sure _where_ to file it.
16:50:03 * kparal notes a fairly visible one: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-6ff500948d
16:50:09 <regenbogen> With the last updates, it seems like a lot of KDE apps misbehave.
16:50:46 <regenbogen> For example, I close a programme.  *I closed it*  But it immediately returns a  "this app crashed, want to report?"
16:51:12 <regenbogen> It didn't crash. I closed/quit the programme.
16:51:31 <regenbogen> That's one.
16:51:36 <adamw> it's likely crashing during shutdown
16:51:49 <regenbogen> What shutdown?
16:51:52 <adamw> app shutdown
16:52:01 <adamw> when you exit the app, it will run through some code to close down in an orderly way
16:52:04 <adamw> likely something there is crashing
16:52:13 <adamw> we had a similar bug in hexchat for years - every time you quit, the app crashed
16:52:13 <regenbogen> Uhm. Okay.
16:52:24 <adamw> what's the other issue?
16:52:45 <regenbogen> It's baffling because it's not just one app, it's different ones.
16:52:54 <frantisekz> need to run, thanks for the meeting adamw & others!
16:53:00 <bcotton> it's probably a common library
16:53:01 <adamw> thanks frantisekz
16:53:03 <adamw> right
16:53:11 <regenbogen> Have a nice day frantisekz!
16:53:13 <adamw> it's likely gonna be some bit of plasma
16:53:18 <adamw> good luck guessing *which* bit, though :)
16:53:31 <adamw> what i would suggest is joining #fedora-kde and asking rdieter, when he is around
16:53:32 <regenbogen> Yeah...  Should I file it?
16:53:35 <adamw> he should be able to help pin point it
16:53:37 <regenbogen> It's very annoying.
16:53:45 <regenbogen> Oh, okay, I will
16:53:47 <adamw> if you can't catch him, just file a bug and pick some plasma component, like plasma-desktop
16:54:00 <regenbogen> There's another issue, but with System Settings.
16:54:07 <adamw> it probably won't be the right one, but it doesn't matter too much - as long as you pick a plasma component the right people should see the bug and be able to help figure out the correct component
16:54:13 <regenbogen> adamw:  Okay, I will.
16:54:26 <adamw> thanks!
16:54:31 <adamw> what's the system settings issue?
16:54:46 <regenbogen> Well, there are several.
16:55:20 <regenbogen> One is that for some reason deleting a theme or colour scheme doesn't delete the file.
16:55:49 <regenbogen> In the best of cases, the offending item goes away from the list but the file is still there, in the folder, hidden from view.
16:56:05 <regenbogen> In the worst of cases, it just doesn't work and deletes nothing.
16:56:27 <regenbogen> You click on delete but the item remains there.
16:56:46 <adamw> hum, okay. i'm not sure what the expected behaviour is there, to be honest
16:57:01 <adamw> it may depend whether it's a system-supplied or user-installed theme/scheme
16:57:09 <regenbogen> Just delete the theme/icon/whatever ?
16:57:19 <regenbogen> No, they're user themes.
16:57:32 <regenbogen> The system wide themes have their buttons greyed out.
16:57:39 <regenbogen> It's just not an option.
16:57:40 <adamw> hum, okay
16:57:44 <adamw> then yeah, sounds like deleting should work
16:57:52 <adamw> i *think* the component for that should be plasma-systemsettings
16:57:52 <regenbogen> It was working!
16:57:55 <regenbogen> Until now.
16:57:58 <regenbogen> Oh, okay.
16:58:08 <regenbogen> There's another one in System Settings.
16:58:15 <adamw> fire away!
16:59:14 <regenbogen> Let's say you choose a theme in SDDM. Apply changes, introduce your password, everything is fine.  Reboot, fine.  Go to settings for whatever reasons, look into SDDM, the selection goes back to the default theme.
16:59:16 <regenbogen> Why?
16:59:19 <regenbogen> No idea.
16:59:37 <regenbogen> But if you don't choose again, it will sit on default and show the default next time.
17:00:25 <regenbogen> It happens sometimes with other items, but SDDM is the most outstanding example.
17:00:45 <regenbogen> Not sure if this is Settings fault or SDDM or a combination, or something else.
17:01:02 <adamw> i don't know either!
17:01:05 <adamw> but i'd definitely report it
17:01:07 <adamw> those all sound like bugs
17:01:46 <regenbogen> Okay, I'll report them to System Settings and see what happens.  And drop a line in  #fedora-kde
17:01:54 <regenbogen> Maybe Dieter can help me.
17:01:58 <lruzicka> regenbogen, please report it, some of it may even be your blockers :D
17:02:20 <regenbogen> And I'll hug them and run away with them so no one else can have them!
17:02:22 <regenbogen> :-D
17:02:28 <adamw> regenbogen: it's 'rex' - he's called 'rex dieter' :)
17:02:34 <regenbogen> Ah.
17:02:37 <regenbogen> Thanks adamw
17:02:40 <adamw> yeah, when he's around he should be able to help you investigate
17:02:53 <adamw> thanks for testing :)
17:03:00 <regenbogen> My pleasure!
17:03:01 <adamw> okay, anything else, folks?
17:03:19 <regenbogen> Oh, yes, I just recalled another weirdness.
17:03:28 <adamw> go ahead
17:03:30 <regenbogen> Nothing important. But it's weird.
17:03:40 <regenbogen> Well, I have Latte as a dock.
17:04:15 <regenbogen> And it always happens that the first time I use it, right after logging in, the screen or the desktop seems to have a hiccup.
17:04:37 <regenbogen> It shows a very ugly horizontal bar, a few centimetres under the dock.
17:04:52 <regenbogen> It goes away when I click on whatever icon I wanted on Latte.
17:05:04 <regenbogen> But it's awkward.  It shouldn't be there.
17:05:47 <regenbogen> Oh, I forgot to mention, I have the Latte dock hanging from the top, not on the bottom.
17:06:02 <regenbogen> That's why the artifact happens below the dock.
17:06:03 <adamw> huh. sorry, don't know about that either =)
17:06:08 <adamw> sounds like it's specific to this dock, though
17:06:16 <adamw> so file a bug against it? is it packaged or did you install it a different way?
17:06:19 <regenbogen> Yeah, maybe Plasma in general?
17:06:30 <regenbogen> Yeah, Latte is in repos.
17:06:43 <regenbogen> What you install from KDE store are the extensions for it.
17:06:47 <regenbogen> If you want any.
17:07:06 <adamw> okay. i don't run KDE much, so i just don't have a lot of helpful knowledge here :) rdieter and kevin_kofler are the KDE folks
17:07:09 <regenbogen> adamw:  I installed it from repos.
17:07:16 <adamw> so, i'd file a bug against hte package for it, then
17:07:24 <regenbogen> Okay. I'll ping them.
17:07:28 <adamw> thanks!
17:07:40 <regenbogen> Sure, anytime!
17:08:17 <regenbogen> Oh, there's another one but it's also KDE related, so I'll keep it for next time.
17:08:29 <regenbogen> :-)
17:09:14 <adamw> hehe
17:09:14 <adamw> okay
17:09:17 <adamw> thanks, everyone
17:09:32 <adamw> #endmeeting