16:00:21 #startmeeting F33-blocker-review 16:00:21 Meeting started Tue Sep 8 16:00:21 2020 UTC. 16:00:21 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:21 The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:21 The meeting name has been set to 'f33-blocker-review' 16:00:21 #meetingname F33-blocker-review 16:00:21 The meeting name has been set to 'f33-blocker-review' 16:00:21 #topic Roll Call 16:00:26 morning folks 16:01:04 * kparal is here but reinstalling his work laptop atm 16:03:10 who else is around? 16:03:16 * coremodule is here 16:03:34 willing to act as secretary as well. 16:03:35 * cmurf is here 16:04:41 .hello chrismurphy 16:04:42 cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' 16:04:51 the bot is alive today! 16:06:04 35C yesterday, -1C today in Denver 16:06:14 smoke and ash for two days from fires and now snow 16:06:18 wait... cmurf, are you in denver? 16:06:19 * lruzicka is here for a while but will need to go soonish 16:06:28 jawohl 16:06:45 interesting! I'm in co springs 16:06:55 had no idea 16:07:11 i'm in a cherry creek highrise, 16th floor and can't see downtown denver for three days 16:07:26 howdy neighbor! 16:07:34 #chair cmurf coremodule 16:07:35 Current chairs: adamw cmurf coremodule 16:07:58 yeah, i was at the spaghetti factory in brighton on saturday, we could pick the ash out of the air and crush it between our fingers... so dark out 16:08:04 incoming boilerplate alert 16:08:09 #topic Introduction 16:08:10 Why are we here? 16:08:10 #info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. 16:08:10 #info We'll be following the process outlined at: 16:08:12 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting 16:08:12 #info The bugs up for review today are available at: 16:08:15 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current 16:08:17 #info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: 16:08:19 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria 16:08:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_33_Beta_Release_Criteria 16:08:23 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_33_Final_Release_Criteria 16:08:25 #info for Beta, we have: 16:08:51 #info 1 Proposed Blockers 16:08:51 #info 10 Accepted Blockers 16:08:55 #info 13 Accepted Freeze Exceptions 16:08:59 (oof that's a lot) 16:09:03 #info for Final, we have: 16:09:13 #info 2 Proposed Blockers 16:09:13 #info 1 Accepted Blockers 16:09:22 you know, Final's looking in much better shape than beta 16:09:27 proposal: we skip to final release immediately 16:09:37 ack 16:09:38 ack 16:09:49 * adamw wonders where bcotton is anyway 16:09:54 maybe we should +1 before acking 16:09:57 *i read that as "we skip the final release immediately" 16:10:00 i rescind my ack 16:10:08 but why not skip the votes since we're skipping beta? 16:10:22 it's fine, it's done 16:10:39 USS Ship It 16:11:05 (i think i say that at least once per release anyway) 16:11:15 * pwhalen is here 16:11:26 #info coremodule will secretarialize 16:11:50 let's start with the... 16:11:53 #topic Proposed Beta blocker 16:12:00 #topic (1828188) dasbus.error.DBusError: cannot initialize a disk that has partitions 16:12:00 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1828188 16:12:00 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/60 16:12:00 #info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW 16:12:28 #info ticket has -2 from cmurf and lruzicka: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/60 16:12:54 only reproducer is an ancient kernel 16:13:08 reporter said they can't reproduce 16:14:01 -1 16:14:16 -1 beta blocker and let them propose as final if it happens again 16:14:21 no reproducer and lnie herself says she cant reproduce 16:14:22 -1 16:14:34 backstory here seems to be this is basically a five month old bug but kparal found a private bug (1825067) which was proposed as a beta blocker, that doesn't really work, only public bugs can really work with the blocker system 16:14:43 :D 16:14:45 so he closed it as a dupe of a public bug and proposed that as a blocker instead 16:14:47 Hi! Sorry I'm late 16:14:53 .fas lailah 16:14:53 i'm -1 and/or just close the bug 16:14:53 regenbogen: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 16:14:55 old kernel, old qemu, old libvirt 16:14:57 hi lailah 16:15:05 Hi adamw 16:16:04 proposed #agreed 1828188 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) - there's no indication this bug is still present in current F33 (or Rawhide), reporter tried and cannot reproduce, neither can anyone else. It should probably be closed, but we definitely reject it as a blocker for now 16:16:11 im okay with -1/close 16:16:18 ack 16:16:24 ack 16:16:36 ack 16:16:41 ack 16:16:45 #agreed 1828188 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) - there's no indication this bug is still present in current F33 (or Rawhide), reporter tried and cannot reproduce, neither can anyone else. It should probably be closed, but we definitely reject it as a blocker for now 16:16:47 ack 16:17:06 OK, that's all the Beta proposals, let's do the... 16:17:10 #topic Proposed Final blockers 16:17:19 #topic (1876162) anaconda storage configuration is extremely slow with an existing btrfs filesystem containing hundreds of snapshots 16:17:20 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1876162 16:17:20 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/64 16:17:20 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 16:17:33 * bcotton is here now 16:18:02 this was rejected for Beta by ticket vote, but we have no final votes yet 16:18:35 hum, adamw, why do you hate updating the discussion tickets with AGREED ? 16:18:37 i'd like to hear from anaconda team 16:18:39 aiui, cmurf's comments indicate it's unlikely typical use of Fedora 33+ will produce hundreds of snapshots, but there are other situations where it can happen 16:18:49 Well... what is the criteria this bug would be breaking? adamw 16:18:51 kparal: because i forgot you have to do that...it should be magic 16:18:56 there's too much work in this convenience system :) 16:19:07 but i'd say chances are it's not getting fixed for F33 16:19:10 ups & downs 16:19:42 i'm leaning toward -1 FB at the moment. it's not crashing and it seems unlikely that most users would encounter it 16:19:51 regenbogen: see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1876162#c7 16:20:05 well, opensuse does those snapshots for some time, right? and so far we've heard little complaints 16:20:18 so it's probably not that critical 16:20:39 kparal: srsly though, i should really only need to do...stuff...once and The System should pick it up. i don't have to do everything twice in bugzilla and blockerbugs, i shouldn't have to do everything twice in bugzilla and the votey thing 16:20:47 adamw I read the bug but my knowledge of BTRFS is null. 16:21:07 Reading the bug doesn't tell me much, I don't know what should I expect in normal cases. 16:21:08 kparal: ok, a bug that's proposed as both Beta and Final blocker being 'rejected' as Beta is an awkward case because all you can really do is unpropose it 16:21:15 you can't actually mark it rejected 16:21:18 adamw wants a neural scan interface 16:21:25 AI blocker systems! 16:21:26 adamw: you can't do that in bugzilla 16:21:31 you can do it in pagure 16:21:56 kparal: yeah, I meant in bz 16:22:15 regenbogen: btrfs has this snapshotting feature where you can take a 'snapshot' of the filesystem at any time and later roll back to it 16:22:23 you're right, we have to unpropose it in bz, yes 16:22:38 adamw Okay. 16:22:52 But why would anyone have hundreds of snapshots? 16:23:06 That sounds like an unlikely scenario. 16:23:41 regenbogen: if you do that a lot so the filesystem has hundreds of stored snapshots, then try to install Fedora, it will take a long time to try and read it 16:23:52 common on (open)SUSE setups out of the box 16:24:02 regenbogen: openSUSE, for instance, does a snapshot automatically when you update the system 16:24:06 so you can roll back if the update's broken 16:24:13 so you can easily end up with a lot 16:24:26 OH. Okay. Got it. 16:24:27 i don't wanna get into whether it's a reasonable number of snapshots to retain :) 16:24:35 Thanks for the explanation adamw 16:24:43 because i like our opensuse neighbors 16:24:46 kparal: so in *that* case i can see that it'd be hard for pagure to pick up the change from bz. but pagure changes could propagate to bz...i dunno, i just demand convenience :P 16:25:08 adamw: but you know the bz integration is planned if we like the current system 16:25:19 it's not like we haven't talked about this before :) 16:25:36 we can discuss the improvements after the meeting 16:25:41 convenience would be nice 16:25:49 the sooner the better! (if we plan to keep it) 16:26:07 so on this bug 16:26:11 i'm kinda torn... 16:26:18 anyway, hypothetically this is a blocker - but practically it can't be for now 16:26:30 hence i wanna hear from Anaconda folks 16:26:39 cmurf: why do you say practically it can't be? 16:26:48 resources to fix it 16:26:50 scope unknown 16:27:13 cmurf: well, i'd be fine with "slap a timeout or a maximum snapshot count or something on it" as a resolution 16:27:24 that doesn't seem unreasonably hard in time for final 16:27:37 i can go with 'punt for installer team input on what's reasonable' though 16:27:46 for btrfs yes, because subvols do not require tear down, just wipe the magic 16:28:05 adamw: asking the installer team sounds most reasonable in this case 16:28:11 that's not the case with the LVM equivalent though 16:28:18 cmurf: why are you making trouble for us here :P 16:28:21 no-one asked about lvm 16:28:29 heh 16:28:36 just delete your comment and pretend we never heard of LVM 16:28:37 :P 16:29:00 snapper supports the same regime with lvm thinp as btrfs :) 16:29:07 LALALAICANTHEARYOU 16:29:42 :D 16:29:48 just like the good old days 16:30:16 I was missing these meetings... 16:31:03 how likely is this and is there a reasonable work around? yes 16:31:23 i think it's suboptimal but reasonable to just blkdiscard the partition: LVM PV or Btrfs 16:31:26 then launch the installer 16:32:07 proposed #agreed 1876162 - punt (delay decision) - this seems like a reasonable blocker candidate but we're concerned about the extent to which it can realistically be addressed in a practical timeframe for F33. we will punt for input from installer team on this 16:32:16 the LVM case is harder actually, the installer never gets to the language screen; at least with Btrfs if you're really patient, Autopart will blow it away and clean install just fine 16:32:19 ack 16:32:26 ack 16:32:30 ack 16:32:47 ack 16:32:59 ack 16:33:16 #agreed 1876162 - punt (delay decision) - this seems like a reasonable blocker candidate but we're concerned about the extent to which it can realistically be addressed in a practical timeframe for F33. we will punt for input from installer team on this 16:33:27 #topic (1875140) g-i-s fails to completely launch following clean install, opens in a tiny non-resizeable window instead 16:33:27 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1875140 16:33:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/61 16:33:27 #info Proposed Blocker, gnome-initial-setup, NEW 16:33:43 so this one's a bit awkward; the initial setup screen is actually there, it's just tiny 16:34:00 and if you don't know what's supposed to be happening you might not twig that you need to resize this weird tiny window (or even notice it) 16:34:13 also, we don't know the conditions to trigger this yet 16:34:19 might be candidate for a mailing list call 16:34:24 twig, are you trying to Canadianish all of us? 16:34:36 that's britishish! 16:34:42 adamw Is there a screenshot? I'd love to see the tiny setup screen. 16:34:54 adamw LOL 16:34:55 would you prefer "cotton on" 16:35:00 I see the same as lruzicka, I haven't seen this on any baremetal installs 16:35:19 regenbogen: there are screenshots attached to the bug 16:35:26 Oh, great, thanks 16:35:40 even if this only concerned VMs, I'd definitely still be FinalBlocker +1 16:35:41 adamw: i'm always on 16:35:58 now that you mention it, i do need a bold strategy from cotton 16:36:21 adamw it downloads the image instead of opening it :-| 16:36:33 kparal: it doesn't even affect VMs all the time - openQA hits it, i dunno, one time in six or so 16:36:43 regenbogen: that's kinda browser-dependent 16:36:52 cmurf said 4 out of 10 16:36:56 I just saw it adamw 16:37:02 It's hilarious. 16:37:02 yeah we seem to have different experiences there 16:37:07 regenbogen: yeah it looks pretty bad 16:37:11 But very confusing if you're new 16:37:12 it's still quite frequent 16:37:17 true 16:37:25 enough that i get bored of restarting the failures :) 16:37:26 * cmurf is amused, munches on popcorn 16:37:31 even 1 of 6 is frequent 16:37:32 So no idea what triggers this? 16:37:46 regenbogen: timing! 16:37:50 always the safe fallback position 16:37:52 * regenbogen pinches from cmurf pop corn 16:38:12 it's almost never *not* a timing problem of some kind 16:38:21 the trick is figuring out what :P 16:38:27 Now I'm confused.... 16:38:42 rats i forgot to mention this bug in Workstation wg meeting when kalev was around 16:38:50 regenbogen: it's probably caused when something happens earlier or later than something else was expecting 16:38:55 just fire me permanently 16:39:00 Ah. 16:39:05 Well, that's pretty vague. 16:39:21 theory: computers are deterministic machines 16:39:23 regenbogen: that's why adam is so confident about it 16:39:24 regenbogen: any time you have a bug that sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't in (apparently) the same circumstances, that tends to be the case. but it's not much *use* as a general statement unfortunately, because you need to figure out the details 16:39:48 cmurf: that's patently absurd 16:39:50 reality: non-determinsism is a fact of life 16:39:51 have you ever met a computer 16:40:04 yes i've met two of them 16:40:08 everyone knows they work faster if you yell at them 16:40:35 adamw Not true. Mine work faster when I stroke them & promise treats. 16:40:41 not if they run hard drives - vibration from the yelling slows them down :) 16:40:51 i remain non-committal on this one. i'd be in favor of punting a decision until after Beta in the hopes that we'll either have a better sense of the conditions under which this happens or it will get fixed and we won't need to decide at all 16:41:09 * adamw wonders what sort of treats you feed a computer 16:41:17 bytes 16:41:20 mega-bytes 16:41:22 .fire bcotton 16:41:22 adamw fires bcotton 16:41:23 beat me to it 16:41:25 .fire coremodule 16:41:25 adamw fires coremodule 16:41:31 oh my 16:41:46 l;ol 16:41:54 there's a statler and waldorf moment 16:42:23 Personally I do think it's a blocker. It really makes for a bad user experience. 16:42:33 But I'd like to know what's causing it. 16:42:34 yeah, it is pretty bad 16:42:49 ok so let's agree to make it a beta blocker since we're looking likely to slip anyway 16:42:55 it's a proposed final blocker 16:43:11 that's a given i think 16:43:33 i thought that's what we were discussing :P 16:43:44 you know, that being the way the meeting works and all 16:43:47 so uh. votes? 16:43:48 * cmurf is confused per usual 16:43:54 I'm +1 16:44:02 FinalBlocker +1, as in ticket 16:44:15 final blocker for sure, only question from my point of view is beta 16:44:24 cmurf: already rejected 16:44:29 +1 FB for sure 16:44:36 unless you want to reopen that discussion 16:44:54 i'll go ask 16:44:57 kparal: oh sorry, forgot to check ticket votes 16:45:20 this new voting system sucks, too many places to check! 16:45:21 #info we have +2 ticket votes from kparal and frantisekz 16:45:27 kparal: yeah whose awful idea was it 16:45:36 kparal yes, it's confusing. 16:45:43 I kinda agree, but at the same time I'm extremely happy with it 16:45:55 kparal: no, i agree, it saved like six votes today 16:46:06 ok so we're at +4 right now with regenbogen and cmurf 16:46:17 I think so... 16:46:31 I'm not counting, that's your job adamw 16:46:31 ok but we should take it as beta FE if a fix comes up 16:46:45 cmurf: already accepted 16:46:52 :facepalm: 16:46:55 0 FinalBlocker 16:47:04 cmurf: just look at our new shiny voting system!!! https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/61 :D 16:47:08 proposed #agreed 1875140 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "A working mechanism to create a user account must be clearly presented during installation and/or first boot of the installed system", when the bug happens, g-i-s is definitely not "clearly presented" 16:47:13 i've been using it 16:47:17 ack 16:47:20 i just don't refer to it during blocker review :P 16:47:20 ack 16:47:23 :) 16:47:30 ack 16:47:33 ack 16:48:34 ack 16:48:41 ack 16:48:50 #agreed 1875140 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "A working mechanism to create a user account must be clearly presented during installation and/or first boot of the installed system", when the bug happens, g-i-s is definitely not "clearly presented" 16:49:07 OK, so let's go back to Beta and **REVIEW** (not vote on) the... 16:49:11 #topic Accepted Beta blockers 16:49:29 #topic (1872056) Booting Server DVD then selecting a mirrorlist repository does not work 16:49:29 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1872056 16:49:29 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/35 16:49:29 #info Accepted Blocker, anaconda, ON_QA 16:49:37 so on this one the plan is to check the next rawhide compose as it has the same fix 16:49:42 so we can tell if it worked there 16:50:13 #info same fix should be in next Rawhide compose, we can verify (or not) there 16:50:16 #topic (1849430) Fedora 33: Everything boot x86_64 image exceeds maximum size 16:50:16 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1849430 16:50:16 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/21 16:50:16 #info Accepted Blocker, distribution, ASSIGNED 16:50:34 so i worked on this some last week, i have a PR in right now which for me got an f33 image to exactly the max size limit 16:50:39 https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1070 16:50:44 planning to do some more work on it today 16:50:48 adamw what does "maximum size" mean? 16:51:08 regenbogen: we have a maximum size defined for all release-blocking images 16:51:15 for the netinsts it is exactly the maximum size of a standard CD 16:51:33 Oh... 16:51:35 Okay. 16:51:39 I didn't know. 16:52:09 Thanks adamw 16:52:33 #info adamw has a PR posted that does some initial work here, more planned soon: https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1070 16:52:53 #topic (1849431) Fedora 33: Server boot x86_64 image exceeds maximum size 16:52:54 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1849431 16:52:54 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/20 16:52:54 #info Accepted Blocker, distribution, ASSIGNED 16:53:06 #info exactly same as previous bug (the installer environment is effectively the same in both) 16:53:11 #topic (1869892) Release-blocking Fedora 33 images have Fedora 32 backgrounds 16:53:12 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869892 16:53:12 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/27 16:53:12 #info Accepted Blocker, distribution, NEW 16:53:35 waiting on kde or is that fixed now? 16:53:41 #info the dependent KDE bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1872054 is now ON_QA 16:53:51 oh good 16:54:13 #info again, easiest way to check this will be in Rawhide, adamw has sent a build of the same kde-settings to Rawhide so we can check the next Rawhide compose's results 16:54:46 note the openQA test here failed, but that's actually expected given how KDE does backgrounds. it doesn't mean the fix didn't work. 16:55:46 ideally i should actually tweak openQA update tests so we build a KDE live as well as a workstation one, and the background test runs on the newly-built live images...anyhoo 16:56:34 #topic (1874117) 5.8.3-300.fc33.aarch64 kernel panic on boot (X-Gene PMU) 16:56:34 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1874117 16:56:34 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/59 16:56:34 #info Accepted Blocker, kernel, VERIFIED 16:57:15 #info bug comments indicate that https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-5081eec059 fixes this, but it is not marked as fixing it 16:57:46 #info i'll mark the update as fixing the bug, then it should get pushed stable soon and we'll be OK 16:58:07 okay 16:58:18 thanks adamw 16:58:58 #topic (1860616) abrt-server errors when processing zstd compressed core dumps produced by systemd-246~rc1-1.fc33 16:58:58 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1860616 16:58:58 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/15 16:58:59 #info Accepted Blocker, libreport, ON_QA 16:59:01 erf, this. 16:59:34 previous bug, does that mean all archs get 5.8.6 or just aarch64? 17:01:40 cmurf: all arches 17:01:47 cuz there's gpu bugs present in 5.8.3, fixed in 5.8.4 and 5.8.6 might be nice to have it... 17:01:49 ok super 17:02:50 #info we have two bugs - this one and the next, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1873029 - plus https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/156 which altogether boil down to: the whole abrt/libreport infrastructure is broken and it needs to work 17:02:59 i thought the arbt-server bug was fixed and the remaining issue is that the retrace service is still down? 17:03:11 yeah, eek 17:03:56 #info there seem to be a number of specific problems, but our top-line expectation here is that we at least need sufficient functionality to successfully file crash reports. 17:04:06 agreed 17:04:10 cmurf: the thing is, it ought to be able to file reports with retrace server down. it should just fall back to local generation 17:04:14 if it doesn't, *that's* a bug 17:04:27 that's expensive 17:04:43 massive pile of debuginfos 17:04:47 sure 17:05:13 FWIW it's been a long time that ABRT doesn't work for me. 17:06:19 i do it anyway because i know it's a huge turn off for people 17:06:56 but what can we do? 17:08:19 cmurf That's a good question 17:08:32 #action adamw to talk to abrt/libreport team again about expectations and practicalities here 17:08:49 #topic (1873029) bugs can't be reported: "No matching actions found for this event" 17:08:49 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1873029 17:08:49 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/45 17:08:49 #info Accepted Blocker, libreport, NEW 17:08:55 #info see discussion on previous bug, all part of the same area 17:09:02 #topic (1863041) systemd-resolved.service not work with DNS server placed behind VPN (openconnect) 17:09:03 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1863041 17:09:03 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/24 17:09:03 #info Accepted Blocker, NetworkManager, NEW 17:09:33 oh they just keep getting better 17:09:45 so would it help if i clean installed rawhide on bare metal? 17:09:49 (0-0) 17:10:00 and tested some of these versions so we can get them onto 33 media? 17:10:15 because right now 33 media has stale versions that are pointless to test further 17:10:57 or just push systemd-246.4 and nssmdns whatever -9 17:11:17 oh and authselect too i guess 17:11:33 regenbogen: it's complicated, you're confused because it's confusing :) 17:11:36 those two updates just got pushed 17:11:41 so next compose will have them 17:11:47 is there an authselect update? 17:12:07 yeah, i'm confused too 17:12:09 maybe it was spitballing an authselect update 17:12:16 but my spidey sense says this whole resolved thing is going to be a disaster 17:12:19 oh well 17:12:26 :D 17:13:06 well i had that sense from the get go expressly about mdns because you're right, it is fragile, and both systemd-resolved and avahi conflict when it comes to mdns 17:13:15 and then on top of it the whole weird /etc/nsswitch.conf madness 17:13:16 #info systemd and nss-mdns updates were just pushed stable, so we can see how this works in the next compose 17:13:22 cmurf: I feel better now, it's not only me. :-P 17:13:23 seriously folks do not hand edit that file 17:13:27 yeah that's giving me the screaming heebie jeevies 17:13:30 jeebies* 17:13:43 no joke, i could not figure out how to fix my system after hand editing it 17:13:49 i had to do a rollback 17:14:13 Why people keep hand editing it then? 17:14:14 file system level rollback, rpm downgrade did't cut it 17:14:41 regenbogen: well i didn't know :) at first, and figured a one line change could be reverted 17:14:55 but no, that file gets eaten by other things and... it's a no 17:14:57 just no 17:15:19 #topic (1871990) FreeIPA server upgrade from Fedora 32 or Fedora 31 fails with java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError 17:15:19 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1871990 17:15:19 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/34 17:15:19 #info Accepted Blocker, pki-core, ASSIGNED 17:15:20 not people, just cmurf 17:15:27 so far as i know, freeipa team still working on this. 17:16:19 #info upstream PR appears to have been merged, just pinged the bug to ask if we can get a downstream build 17:16:25 cmurf: Why do you keep hand editing it then? 17:16:48 only once 17:17:17 * regenbogen looks askance at cmurf, not completely believing him 17:17:38 i think there's a futurama meme for that :P 17:17:46 #topic (1861700) login stuck when changing users repeatedly (log out, log in a different one) 17:17:46 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1861700 17:17:46 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/16 17:17:46 #info Accepted Blocker, sddm, NEW 17:17:48 ok maybe twice, it's possible one of them was so traumatic i've blocked it from memory 17:17:57 cmurf: i keep telling you, that's what whiskey is for 17:18:15 so this is the other worrying one atm because it's just...sitting here 17:18:21 we are still waiting for input from devs 17:18:23 you have never ever ever given me drinking advice 17:18:46 except one or two or three times 17:19:14 oh yeah this....sddm? 17:19:23 adamw Oh I know this one! 17:19:42 It's super weird. It doesn't happen every time, at least for me. 17:19:55 yeah...i'm not getting the good kind of warm fuzzy with this bug 17:21:35 maybe it just needs a poke 17:21:47 Any idea what causes it or... anyting at all about it? 17:22:10 regenbogen: that's what we're waiting for the developers to figure out from the logs kamil provided :/ 17:22:27 cmurf: I have some long sticks for poking purposes. Should I use them? 17:23:01 adamw: I can add some logs too, if it helps. 17:23:09 It's with SDDM, right? 17:23:40 regenbogen: yeah 17:24:26 Okay, yes. I have it. I experienced this issue. Sometimes. 17:24:37 Is there anything I can do to help? 17:26:38 regenbogen: i'm not sure, any info you can get further than kparal's would be useful 17:26:47 or if you can reproduce what kparal did and see if it looks the same or different in your case 17:27:34 Okay. Noted. 17:27:58 I'll try some testing and add what I find to the bug. 17:28:02 thanks 17:28:14 My pleasure. 17:28:56 #info we're quite worried about this bug as it doesn't look easy to solve and there has not been a lot of action on it. kparal has provided what looks like sufficient info for developers to start looking into it. 17:29:00 #topic Open floor 17:29:05 that's everything on the lists 17:29:07 any other business, folks? 17:29:14 Not from my side. 17:30:23 * pwhalen has nothing else 17:32:16 nothing here 17:32:25 Okay, if there's nothing else for today, I'm leaving. 17:33:11 re some messages in #fedora-qa, i request we restart active bug triaging... and adamw spearheads the push 17:33:21 :D 17:34:50 Okay, bye, see you. A pleasure to finally attend again. Hope I can keep up. I'll test the SDDM issue. Tschuss! 17:53:34 .fire coremodule 17:53:34 adamw fires coremodule 17:53:40 thanks for coming, everyone (belatedly) 17:53:44 #endmeeting