17:00:01 #startmeeting F34 Final Go/No-Go meeting\ 17:00:01 Meeting started Fri Apr 23 17:00:01 2021 UTC. 17:00:01 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:01 The chair is bcotton. 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Simião Kutz' 17:04:42 i'll give another minute or two to see if any more fesco members show up. we're at 1/9 right now by my count 17:05:00 .members fesco 17:05:01 bcotton: Members of fesco: churchyard cverna dcantrell decathorpe ignatenkobrain @kevin ngompa sgallagh zbyszek 17:05:23 .members qa 17:05:24 lruzicka[m]: Members of qa: a2batic aaronraimist abhi23 abhirhc abougouffa acaldwell acousticpanic @adamwill adityaramteke aernhart afcastro agarwalvarshit +agmon +ahlshe ahutsona aishvarya ajinkyaunitix akashad2519 akinsola aklmv akshat0014 akshays +akshayvyas29 akumar99 +alciregi alen alexklein5 ali4129 allanitomwesh alphacar amandacavalcante amcg amsharma anabsc anand97 anandprakash anazli anchal7299 andilinux andrzejp (10 more messages) 17:05:32 oops 17:05:40 sorry about that 17:05:51 :-) 17:06:02 #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:06:11 #info Purpose of this meeting is to check whether or not F34 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:06:17 #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:06:21 #info 1. No remaining blocker bugs 17:06:27 #info 2. Release candidate compose is available 17:06:36 #info 3. Test matrices for Final are fully completed 17:06:43 #topic Current status - blockers 17:06:49 #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/34/final/buglist 17:07:07 okay, and because i've learned my lesson, we'll start with the accepted blockers first :-) 17:07:12 #topic (1952431) startplasma-wayland hangs when run in basic video mode (nomodeset; VESA (BIOS) / FBDEV (UEFI) ) 17:07:19 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1952431 17:07:30 #info Accepted Blocker, kwin, VERIFIED 17:07:36 yay for being VERIFIED! 17:07:45 #topic (1938630) include new bootloaders on Fedora 34 install media so UEFI Secure Boot enabled systems can boot from them 17:07:54 works on both desktops with rc2 17:08:03 yeah, and it has certainly been carefully reviewed and tested since neal and i invented it between us twelve hours ago 17:08:10 :-) 17:08:15 12 hours is an eternity in technology 17:08:17 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1938630 17:08:24 #info Accepted Blocker, shim, ON_QA 17:08:36 so this one is actually VERIFIED too at this point, yeah? 17:09:13 well, there certainly are new bootloaders! 17:09:19 and i checked my dell case is fixed 17:09:51 I am not using Secureboot, but I have not experienced any problems with booting. 17:10:01 lruzicka[m]: that's an important test case as well :) 17:10:07 what higher form of validation is there than "works on my machine"? 17:10:23 my Macs booted fine 17:10:35 though I'm finishing up testing my daily driver Linux Mac now 17:11:17 bug updated 17:11:41 hooray 17:11:50 #info BZ 1938630 is VERIFIED 17:12:01 #topic (1951194) [abrt] tracker: tracker_vtab_triples_init(): tracker3 killed by SIGSEGV 17:12:06 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1951194 17:12:12 #info Accepted 0-day Blocker, tracker, VERIFIED 17:12:20 our accepted 0-day blocker: also verified 17:12:30 which now leads us to our proposed blocker... 17:12:35 #topic (1942443) Login using password failed after upgrade to Fedora 34 17:12:41 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1942443 17:12:46 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/317 17:12:50 .hello2 17:12:51 frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' 17:12:51 #info Proposed Blocker, gdm, ON_QA 17:12:57 #info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+5,0,-0) (+bcotton, +kevin, +mohanboddu, +nb, +catanzaro) 17:13:06 this could be a zero-day update release no? 17:13:19 it doesn't impact new installs, just upgrades 17:13:24 yes 17:13:27 so i voted for this as a blocker, but i think 0-day or "not actually a problem" may be more accurate. i can't quite get a read on the current state 17:13:27 and we don't have a way to upgrade from GA media 17:13:45 we are talking about in in #fedora-desktop 17:13:47 confusion sort of reigns 17:13:57 but insofar as all the issues involve upgrades, yeah, it can at least be a 0day 17:14:19 * nirik is fine with 0day based on what he knows currently about it. 17:15:07 Is it though? 17:15:33 so there's a bit of a procedural question of: if we end up being go and the bug isn't fixed on tuesday at 1400 UTC, what happens? do we kick the can day-by-day? automatically move to the following week? just hold off on pushing the button until the fix lands at 1430 17:15:40 Just for an instance, upgraded from f33 to f34 and rebooted without updating the system, then the user cannot login anymore 17:16:16 that doesn't really change whether or not it's a blocker, i just don't have any experience with how we'd handle this scenario and i'd like to understand 17:16:16 in general, the answer has been that unless we're very sure we can have a fix pushed by release day, we say no-go at this meeting 17:16:19 f33 to f34 upgradea should be fine afaik 17:16:30 we only go with an unfixed 0day blocker if it's, like, extremely clear that we can fix it 17:17:00 adamw: +1, thats my understanding as well. 17:17:02 so um to step back and look at the forest not the trees for a bit 17:17:09 i'd probably be -1 on any remaining case of this 17:17:44 there probably are real systems out there that might/will hit it, but i mean, we don't have a perfect record of perfect upgrades for everybody 17:17:51 we're hitting the criteria as things stand 17:18:16 i'd like to have the fix in for release, but it's probably not blocker material aiui 17:18:26 the fix should be just adding authselect -f into scriptlets if I am not mistaken? 17:18:45 that's kind of how i read it, but i'm not 100% clear I understand it, so I don't want to be more overconfident than i normally am 17:19:06 but, it sounds like we have consensus that this should be evaluated as a 0-day blocker, not a final blocker. does anyone object to that? 17:19:08 frantisekz: that's a fairly large hammer and we probably shouldn't do it for f34 now 17:19:14 I'm reasonably okay as a FESCo person to accept `authselect -f` being autorun 17:19:16 that may happen for f35 17:19:27 there is a known broad spectrum fix for f34 where we just make login work even if the config is in the bad state 17:20:08 but regardless, as happyassassin[m] says, there seems to be a broad fix already, so I say we accept it and move on 17:20:25 team is working on builds with the fix now, see discussion in bug 17:20:30 so then... you're proposing we reject this as a blocker then? 17:20:38 or there's still a 0day fix? 17:20:39 yup 17:20:41 that's what i'm proposing. i dunno what neal's proposing. 17:20:44 same thing 17:20:50 so let's have some votes on 0-day blocker status 17:20:52 -1 0day 17:21:03 -1 0day 17:21:08 -1 0day 17:21:31 (actually, what does that mean? not blocker and allow as zero day? or what?) 17:21:40 to be clear, if there's a fix/update and it's stable before release, it will be a 0day... 17:21:47 conan_kudo[m]: a 0day blocker is still a blocker 17:21:50 it means it's not a blocker but it can land in the updates on release day 17:21:55 ah, okay 17:21:56 if there's an update 17:21:58 to not be a blocker but still be fixed 0day, the bug needs no special status 17:22:12 er, let's be clear here 17:22:17 okay, so did I vote right for that? 17:22:21 because I now don't know 17:22:33 hmm, so, right now I am not entirely clear if the gnome-shell fix really fully fixes the issue; users might have only little time to enter the password and login with the proper fix 17:22:36 i think the vote is right but ben's explanation is wrong. :D 17:22:45 there's no "can land on release day" status. all bugs are that. 17:22:57 we do a general push of updates queued for stable shortly before release. 17:22:59 yeah, that's what i meant 17:23:09 it's no different from any other bug in that regard 17:23:24 -1 0day, adamw convinced me 17:23:25 yeah, -1 to giving this bug 0day blocker status 17:23:30 ok, cool. 17:23:37 perhaps what i meant tosay was "it's not a blocker, but nothing prevents it from landing in the updates on release day" 17:23:55 so then I think I voted correctly 🙂 17:24:37 proposed #agreed 1942443 - RejectedBlocker(0day) - We can't be sure no one will hit this, but it does not violate the criteria as written. There is a known broad spectrum fix for f34 where we just make login work even if the config is in the bad state 17:24:44 ack 17:24:50 ack 17:24:50 ack 17:24:53 ack\ 17:25:02 ack 17:25:09 ack 17:25:20 ack 17:25:41 ack 17:25:51 ack 17:25:53 #agreed 1942443 - RejectedBlocker(0day) - We can't be sure no one will hit this, but it does not violate the criteria as written. There is a known broad spectrum fix for f34 where we just make login work even if the config is in the bad state 17:26:04 #topic Current status - blockers 17:26:13 #info All accepted blockers are VERIFIED 17:26:30 #topic Current status - RC 17:26:31 🎉 17:26:46 #info RC2 is the current release candidate 17:27:05 i beliieve I saw Design and Scientific labs failed on all arches? 17:27:17 but everything else succeeded? 17:27:23 no? 17:27:29 cinnamon failed 17:27:33 i think cinn failed 17:27:38 nothing else 17:27:46 hm. what was i looking at then? 17:27:48 * bcotton shrugs 17:27:52 Only cinnamon failed 17:28:11 and... 17:28:23 someone said something about lxqt missing packages also 17:28:23 actually, it failed upoading/writing. 17:28:27 i dunno what's up with any of that 17:28:31 its not 17:28:40 there's an iso, not sure if it's incomplete tho 17:28:45 the failure wasn't in the image build, just writing the image 17:28:51 for cinnamon 17:28:53 same as beta so no missing packages 17:28:57 yep 17:29:10 lxqt that is 17:29:19 ah, i was looking at Fedora-34-20210423.n.0, not Fedora-34-20210423.0 17:29:24 tricky 17:29:30 bcotton: yeah, watch the n there. :) 17:29:41 * nb is curious, what is the n mean 17:29:44 about 100 less packages in f34 1.2 than in my f33-20210416 17:29:54 n is nightly 17:29:58 oh 17:29:59 ah 17:30:02 I wondered about that 17:30:02 nb: Not the one I should have looked at 17:30:13 nb: nightly 17:30:14 but lxqt works 17:30:22 but we do technically have everything, Koji just flipped out on archiving cinnamon 17:30:38 #info RC2 is missing the Cinnamon Spin, which built but did not upload 17:30:40 which if we re-ran that job, that would be fixed, right? 17:30:42 I wonder if a resubmit would work. 17:30:56 **fingers crossed** 17:31:36 only one way to find out! 17:31:47 anything else we want to say about RC2 before we move on to test coverage? 17:31:53 Eighth_Doctor: It could, but pungi wont collect the result 17:32:00 * nirik looks at the shiny shiny button. 17:32:06 mboddu: we could manually yoink it, no? 17:32:12 mboddu: yeah, we would have to manually put it in place. ;( 17:32:14 mboddu could it be put in place manually? 17:32:30 True ^ 17:32:48 for one image, that's not too bad 17:33:06 well, and it would need fixing he checksum files. ;( so it would be a bit anoying. 17:33:11 cinn is not a blocking issue so it it isnt there the respins will have it 17:33:19 and it would make the metadata a lie. 17:33:43 Exactly 17:33:47 yeah, but if we don't have official isos, we should probably take it off the spins page for this release, which is bad for discoverability 17:33:48 Its not worth that much 17:34:06 so we'll leave it missing, is that what i'm hearing? 17:34:07 it'd be kind of bad to have it missing if we know we have the artifact 17:34:10 we could also do what we have before... stick it on alt. But that still needs websites changes. 17:34:30 bcotton, will not be the first time a spin has been missing from the release 17:34:30 can the metadata be altered to include the missing info? 17:34:44 Southern_Gentlem: oh i know, it just makes me sad 17:34:58 conan: if someone wants to go do things to pdc, i guess. 17:35:11 * nb thinks it would be good to have the spin there (even if it ends up on alt) 17:35:18 IMHO, we should stick it on alt and see if websites can point to it there. 17:35:30 if we can do something at all, then I'm happy 17:35:31 (which we did for some other things in the past) 17:35:40 The easiest way is to put it in alt and update the websites 17:35:41 doing that is no jankier than the rest of the spins site 17:35:45 relrod ping 17:35:56 okay, let's agree to that then 17:36:13 pong 17:36:33 #agreed We will put the Cinnamon deliverables on alt and update the website to point there instead of the normal location 17:36:39 ack 17:36:44 ack 17:36:47 ack 17:36:47 relrod they were talking about updating websites to have cinnamon on alt 17:36:53 so i pinged you 17:36:56 relrod: If I put the cinn spin in alt, can you update the websites to point to that location? 17:36:57 ack 17:37:04 Okay. 17:37:25 ack 17:37:28 the edits for that are probably still in the page, just commented out from last time :-D 17:37:37 #topic Current status - test matrices 17:37:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_34_Test_Results 17:37:43 okay yes or ok that will work? 17:38:36 Okay as in I'll make the change this weekend when I work on websites ;) 17:38:46 so, how 'bout them tests? 17:38:56 we are not at full matrix coverage. 17:39:06 even with heavy reliance on automation and transferring results from rc1, we are missing several things 17:39:17 we don't have aarch64 usb installer boot/install testing 17:39:30 we don't have x86_64 cloud tests run in a real cloud 17:39:30 we don't have active directory tests run 17:39:45 I'm testing the aarch64/boot install as we speak, looking good so far. 17:39:54 we don't have hardware RAID or fcoe run 17:40:07 thanks jlinton 17:40:19 testing x86 cloud in a real cloud rn 17:40:23 that's a lot of missing coverage :/ 17:40:36 he also tested it in 1.1 I beleive, jlinton? 17:40:48 i don't see results in the rc1 matrix 17:40:51 Yes, the previous version was fine. 17:41:00 ok. 17:41:16 adamw, Cloud Test day showed positive results https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/112. It was off Fedora-Cloud-Base-34-20210415.n.0.x86_64 17:41:22 yeah it's funny how you get missing coverage when the rc finishes three hours before the meeting 17:41:22 adamw: in uefi usb 17:41:42 need more bots. :) 17:41:52 or fewer tests 17:41:57 nirik: we are working on it 17:42:17 or... when you get right down to it: less files. 17:42:17 openqa is still working on aarch64 testing 17:42:18 nirik: but for some things even the bots fail too short 17:42:19 the silverblue installer image does not contain the right ostree, it seems 17:42:26 it has 20210423.n.0 17:42:37 pwhalen: i restarted some tests that failed 17:42:53 ditto for x86_64, which is why the desktop matrix is a wasteland 17:43:07 oh, it's mostly done with the x86_64 reruns now. 17:43:09 iot - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora-IoT_34_RC_20210422.0_General 17:43:19 oh yeah, iot! 17:43:33 We're going with todays compose, which I also tested and looks the same in openqa. 17:43:56 I believe. pbrobinson will make the call there. 17:44:25 adamw: the ostree is updated by only nightlies, after we are go, we push the final stable updates and run another regular nightly compose 17:44:56 adamw are there AMIs for the RC? 17:44:57 uh, okay? but then the gold silverblue installer image won't deploy that, will it? 17:44:59 it deploys what's baked into it 17:45:06 nb: yes, they are linked on the validation page as usual 17:45:18 nb: yes, I tested the aarch64 ami 17:45:34 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_34_RC_1.2_Cloud , see the tables at the top - if you want something from one of the collapsed tables, hit "Expand" 17:45:58 adamw pwhalen I can spin up a x86_64 in AWS 17:46:01 adamw: It does have the same content, so, it should be fine 17:46:43 the nightly doesn't have the same content. it doesn't have the things we pulled into the rc compose, right? 17:46:43 nb: thats what I do as well 17:46:51 still, silverblue is not blocking, but this just feels suboptimal. 17:47:47 x86 cloud in AWS looks good 17:47:54 adding to the matrix now 17:47:55 adamw: Which is why we run another nightly compose after pushing the updates whatever in the RC, ending up with same content 17:48:29 adamw: are you: 1. feeling suboptimal, but could live with the current state; 2. could live with the current state if we paused the proceedings for another half or hour so; 3. cannot in good conscience say "go" by the end of this meeting no matter what happens in the next 60 minutes? 17:48:32 I think the silverblue thing is an artifact of both the nightly and the rc's using the same ref 'f34' 17:48:34 mbod: but that content is still not in the silverblue image we release, is it? i don't see how it can be 17:48:45 Ben Cotton: i dunno about half an hour. it's a lot of moving parts. 17:48:53 i also am just not a fan in general of releasing things we built three hours ago 17:48:58 we keep saying we're not going to do this then doing it 17:49:16 +1 17:49:35 +1 17:49:39 it's super fun cranking out udev rules at 1am and all but it does not seem like optimal software development procedure 17:49:54 i am in full agreement there 17:50:02 * nirik nods 17:50:10 adamw: Thats the concern I raised to bcotton couple of hours ago 17:50:27 but that's where we stand at the moment, so we have to decide one way or another based on that 17:51:28 RelEng wants to get the request Tue before the go/no-go meeting, but that one is always considered as a soft rule 17:51:42 We had a Tuesday rule, we never held to it, but we had a brief moment when we agreed. No RC Tuesday and we slip. 17:51:58 yeah. 17:53:06 FWIW, I didn't consider that rule as a hard requirement because I always trusted adamw judgment with testing 17:53:50 But if he is unsure, maybe I should vote no-go by referencing to that rule 17:54:53 if we gave a day with the existing stuff, would we be in a better position to say GO for Tuesday? 17:55:14 why not adjourn to a better moment to decide? 17:55:42 we can only compress the time between decision and release so much 17:55:48 no. 17:55:50 because we're already adjourned from yesterday when this is supposed to happen 17:55:56 and other things have to happen before the actual release 17:56:03 if we are not go now, we should slip a week. ;) 17:56:04 Eighth_Doctor: We need to push it to mirrors, which should be done by yesterday, we already pushed it, so... not a good idea to push it further 17:56:25 do we think we could get enough testing done in a hour or so? then we could still make the decision today? 17:56:27 also any delay now results in weekend work for qa/releng/websites. 17:56:36 nirik true 17:57:19 would an hour or two make a positive difference? 17:57:49 I dont know AD tests are run by Steve Gallagher and he is on PTO 17:57:50 pwhalen++ 17:57:51 cmurf: Karma for pwhalen changed to 7 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:57:57 Eighth_Doctor that's what i was wondering 17:57:58 Does anyone else can run AD tests? 17:58:01 FWIW: cinnamon finished when resubmitted: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=66554032 17:58:14 I am not sure what AD tests require - maybe? 17:58:19 mboddu: he also said he wasn't sure if he'd have the bandwidth to do those tests this cycle 17:58:23 they require an Active Directory server setup 17:58:29 nirik: Oh, since its going to alt, I thought I could just grab the results from koji tasks, but sure :) 17:58:34 * tflink was looking at them but haven't gotten very far 17:58:42 Eighth_Doctor well, I have our prod AD system at work 17:58:42 them -> AD tests 17:59:04 mboddu: the failed task had a incomplete iso... would not have worked. :) Also, we should get someone to test that this one does before we do anything with it. :) 17:59:28 tflink: Ohhh, thanks for the update 17:59:29 adamw: would a brief delay (say 45-60 minutes) be useful, or should we move to the decision part of the process now? 17:59:36 nirik: Okay, thanks 17:59:50 an hour would let us clarify things a bit more. 17:59:50 if it's useful, we can wait. if it won't change anything, i don't want to waste everyone's time 17:59:58 it doesn't look like we're going to get AD tests unless anyone else can do it 18:00:18 I'm starting on them but I don't know if I'll be able to get them done in an hour 18:00:19 i just tried to remote into sgallagh's setup but it's not allowing me in so i guess he didn't leave it up for me to use or anything 18:00:25 okay 18:00:35 reconvene in an hour? 18:00:50 so it's currently 1800 UTC. Let's come back at 1900 UTC and see where we stand 18:01:09 on the other hand, I think we have tested quite a lot with the latest compose. I could not do the Cloud (except for local), AD and hardware, like FcoE 18:01:10 i'll leave the meeting running for keeping the historical record easier to follow 18:01:10 tflink: just doing join_sssd and domain_client_authenticate would be fine really, if that works and hte other two work on freeipa we usually consider that okay 18:01:28 adamw: It should be working, but I cannot test. I’m currently on a phone in the middle of the woods. 18:01:37 i might be able to do hardware raid, i have to open my test box and look at what's in it 18:01:43 that does kind of hinder doing such tests indeed :P 18:01:43 sgallagh: get off the phone and go be in the woods :p 18:01:46 but I'm just getting started setting up AD using a trial windows server 18:01:50 * mboddu grabs lunch, bbiab 18:01:56 #topic Break until 1900 UTC 18:02:07 tflink I will try to see if i can do it with my AD 18:02:11 tflink++ 18:02:11 coremodule: Karma for tflink changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 18:02:15 tflink where do i find the testcases? 18:02:19 sgallagh: the virt-viewer command you gave me just says "Unable to connect to libvirt with URI: (the uri)" 18:02:20 Oh, crap. There was a power outage in the Westford office last week. See if you can find someone to power on the box under my desk 18:02:21 anyhoo 18:02:34 eh, tflink's on it 18:02:37 thansk though 18:02:39 Okay, thanks. 18:02:41 * cmurf will ask a Windows person how difficult it is to have a Windows AD server in a VM image we can fallback on, just spin it up in a nano AWS instance or whatever 18:02:52 I’ve gotta go. Kids are running away. 18:02:57 we could ask BitIntegrity to make this a thing for us :) 18:03:03 nb: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_34_RC_1.2_Server 18:03:07 nb: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_34_RC_1.2_Summary#Domain_joining_tests:_Active_Directory 18:03:08 or possibly even just qemu-kvm and stick it on DMZ 18:03:13 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_realmd_join_sssd 18:03:41 cmurf: we have licensing issues with that. 18:03:47 which part? 18:03:59 having an AD server in a VM image... 18:04:06 even from an eval copy of Windows? 18:04:10 ? 18:04:12 yeah 18:04:14 they're free 18:04:15 there's an RH project kicking around somewhere for this sort of thing but i never get the roundtuits to look into it 18:04:27 Windows Enterprise 10, 90 days free, no license 18:04:37 for a start, depends whether the kind of usage you want to do is allowed under the eval terms 18:04:43 which i dunno, ianal 18:05:00 anyway 18:05:02 out of scope 18:05:19 anyone have an FCOE setup lying around under their desk? 18:05:38 I will reconnect from a different room, will be right back. 18:05:55 * Eighth_Doctor snorts 18:06:08 i think we need to deprecate these criterion unless some interested party has the roundtuits to actually setup the test environments 18:06:23 including FCOE setup under a desk 18:06:31 ^^what cmurf said. also, the xen criteria 18:06:50 like, we've had this issue at the last minute for the past 5 years 18:07:07 or do what we did with xen and make it an optional testcase 18:07:18 FCOE, SAS, AD, xen, optical boot 18:08:00 optical boot is optional 18:08:06 oh. i see 18:08:14 lnie usually does fcoe 18:08:18 more like optional boot, amirite? 18:08:29 we made optical boot optional, which hilariously the top complainer didn't test like he said he would, and yet i incidentally tested it earlier in this release cycle 18:09:17 but yeah i think we said if things are only being hero tested at the last minute for a couple of releases then they probably aren't that important and should be dropped 18:10:15 so... cmurf are you going to start the proposal on the list or am I? 18:10:41 :) because I do agree 18:11:23 I agree too 18:11:30 if there are not enough people willing to test, they should be optional 18:12:18 coremodule: go do it :) 18:12:41 we could say they are blockers if a bug is discovered at least a week prior to go/no-go 18:13:15 we have a hardware raid pass from 0418.n.0 18:13:25 that's probably recent enough...let me see what changed since 18:13:43 does hardware raid ever fail? 18:13:46 it's just a block device 18:13:57 .hello2 18:13:58 lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' 18:14:06 back again 18:15:05 cmurf: if the kernel driver breaks, sure. 18:15:20 that's what we're testing, not whether anaconda can write to a block device. 18:15:34 oh for the hardware raid card? 18:16:11 there's dozens of those 18:18:32 look i never said any of this made sense 18:18:42 if you're looking for a software project that makes sense please apply elsewhere 18:19:22 * bcotton updates the About Us page... 18:19:29 i'm not sure what we could do about it now anyway with 5.11.12 being the kernel we're using, if it's escaped notice upstream i'm not really sure it matters anymore 18:22:16 we also don't have checks in any boxes for ARM disk image deployment on hardware 18:22:41 i'm assuming someone has actually tested on hw and that's an oversight? 18:22:47 yee 18:22:54 ill add in what ive done 18:23:19 thanks 18:23:37 i'm grabbing the workstation image to try again with this jetson i couldn't make do anything before... 18:23:59 mattdm someone should probably contact VMware and ask them to put "Fedora Linux" instead of "Red Hat Fedora" 18:24:37 adamw, my jetson is really picky about which monitor it likes to work with. I have two dell 20" monitors that are a year or two apart, the jetson works great with one and never produces and image to the screen on the other. ymmv 18:25:11 over hdmi, not displayport 18:25:50 huh, that might've been a factor 18:26:13 mattdm I noticed that when I went to set up a Fedora VM and VMware asked me which OS it was 18:32:01 coremodule: i will bet a bag of donuts that one of those displays is spitting out bogus EDID information, and it makes the video driver mad 18:33:18 or possibly even mutter, i'm not sure how much mutter relies on EDID info 18:34:28 yes because the eval license is only good for 180 days at the most (thinking 120) 18:36:28 yeah, it'll be worth looking into either getting ahold of a windows server license or figuring out a way to automate the setup on top of a fresh eval install 18:36:49 or the vm route, none of this is new but something about a lack of 'roundtoits 18:37:40 in theory, eval + sysprep + ansible could do that autosetup thingy for tests 18:37:51 but I dunno how AD setups work 18:37:58 as i said, there is an actual project for this by some rh'ers 18:38:00 or there was 18:38:04 i just haven't had time to look into it lately 18:38:52 adamw: if you have more information about it, you can forward me the information and I'll look into it for future releases 18:39:10 adamw: I havent been able to yet. 18:39:14 (test on hw) 18:41:36 adamw: did you follow the guide on pbrobinsons blog to flash your nano? 18:42:08 i don't think i saw that 18:43:58 adamw: https://nullr0ute.com/2020/11/installing-fedora-on-the-nvidia-jetson-nano/ 18:44:12 thanks 18:45:50 I really wish VMware would give me the option to do Fedora with UEFI like it does for RHEL 18:46:06 it's annoying having to edit random files to get a Fedora VM to boot with UEFI 18:46:25 Use kvm+libvirt+virsh instead? 18:47:41 I keep getting "KDC has no support for encryption type" 18:47:56 workstation+server look good on aarch64 hw 18:48:01 when I try realmd join --user=username DOMAIN.EDU 18:48:49 nb: oh dear. er, could be the systemwide policy thing? 18:49:11 god what is that thing called my brain is mush 18:49:39 oh yeah that's it 18:49:40 uh 18:49:47 if you do update-crypto-policies --set LEGACY 18:49:49 does that help? 18:50:12 that's hard on a Mac :) 18:50:17 thanks coremodule 18:50:42 Eighth_Doctor: boy you are just all up in "closed source example story", aren't you? ;) 18:50:50 😆 18:51:13 lots of folks use Fedora in VMware Fusion, so I make it a point to test it continuously 18:51:24 every time it breaks, I get emails about it on the kde@ list and other places 18:51:27 testing minimal on aarch64 hw now 18:53:10 I'm going to mark the test matrix too for USB installed aarch64, I've been doing it in graphical mode, and so far so good (honeycomb+rpi) 18:53:18 👍️ 18:54:02 adamw apparently that only happens when I use our unprivileged "setup" account. When I use my Domain Admin account it works 18:54:17 so that test appears to be a pass. Appears there is something wonky with our setup accoutn 18:54:26 our = work 18:55:30 5 minutes! 18:56:01 nb: cool, well, as long as you can make it work :D 18:56:15 adamw: crypto-policies --set DEFAULT:AD-SUPPORT 18:56:42 update- ... 18:57:11 ah, thanks, i just suggested legacy as a big gun for testing purposes 18:57:16 nb: login with AD-account worked afterwards? 18:57:28 lukc do i have to tell it to allow a particular AD user to login? 18:57:44 when I try username by itself, it fails, but when I try username@domain.edu it says System Error 18:58:54 realm permit user@domain 18:59:31 * mattdm shows up, fresh from getting anti-covid jab #1 18:59:35 that windows deployment thing i'm vaguely remembering, btw, is https://github.com/rhpit/paws 18:59:44 oh ok 18:59:50 welcome, mattdm and antibodies 19:00:10 nb can you email me a screenshot of the vmware "Red Hat Fedora" thing (to mattdm @ redhat com) please? 19:00:19 seems like it wasn't touched since 2018, though 19:00:26 happyassassin[m]: shame it looks kinda of dead :( 19:00:27 mattdm sure, will do in a bit 19:00:34 nb thanks! 19:00:45 hmm, I should check to see if VMware Workstation still does that too 19:00:46 * bcotton gavels the room back to order 19:00:50 it did the last time I checked a while back 19:00:51 lukc adamw works once I did realm permit 19:01:02 nb++ 19:01:02 lukc: Karma for nb changed to 18 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:01:04 #topic Current status - test matrices 19:01:10 nb++ 19:01:10 tflink: Karma for nb changed to 19 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:01:14 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_34_Test_Results 19:01:15 AD Tests both pass - I will update the wiki 19:01:41 and I'm still messing with windows - much faster when you already have an AD domain set up :) 19:01:43 just waiting on the aarch64 minimal image card to write so i can mark all required hw aarch64 tests as good 19:01:49 🎉 19:02:20 it seems like many tests have passed in the last hour 19:03:49 I like 70% of that sentence 19:03:59 yeah. let me survey the matrixes again 19:04:20 it's all around us 19:05:01 sailing the matrices 19:05:09 all required aarch64 hw disk image deployment tests pass 19:05:36 pwhalen, jlinton wonder if either of you have tried the armhfp disk image deployment tests on real hw? 19:05:59 not for rc1.2 19:06:06 I don't actually have any 32-bit hardware, only 64-bit, and all my HW is UEFI... 19:06:10 Lol 19:06:37 my 32-bit hardware is kinda dead now :/ 19:06:53 I think I have an old netbook that runs some 32-bit atom thing 19:07:04 out in my storage building, but i think it's intel 32 19:07:19 nb, if its the atom, yeah it's intel x86 19:07:52 okay, so, yeah, coverage is now rather better 19:07:53 I did a 32bit arm f34 install a few days ago, but that was virt-install, not disk image 19:07:59 we are only missing dribs and drabs of the kind we've been okay with before 19:08:07 adamw: How are you feeling with the test coverage? 19:08:22 still missing fcoe, some aarch64 server tests are queued on openqa (but they have passed on every other recent build so should also pass when they run) 19:08:37 yall we can get you hardware if you need it just let me know 19:08:44 we are still relying quite heavily on rc1 results which isn't optimal, but, there's no reason really the change to rc2 should've broken them 19:08:56 quote for the release announcement "we are only missing dribs and drabs of the kind we've been okay with before" 19:09:06 +1 19:09:12 🤪 19:09:16 "this OS got a whole five hours of testing, install with confidence" 19:09:25 Haha :) 19:09:39 well, we can spruce that up with "150 man hours in only five hours!" 19:09:39 adamw approved ;P 19:09:56 Fedora 34 "What Could Possibly Go Wro-" 19:10:32 ⏲️ 19:10:37 so, i kinda have to say that test coverage is basically sufficient 19:10:38 Eighth_Doctor: People Hours.... 19:10:44 but i'm still not happy with the extreme time crunch here 19:11:00 i would be much happier if kamil had had a day to try and brea kit 19:11:12 "extreme time crunch" is something that should only appear on our Taco Bell order 19:11:33 but Kamil always breaks it :P 19:11:50 but not always in a day ;-) 19:11:57 i can #action bcotton to start a conversation about how to fix the tendency to put ourselves in this position 19:12:07 lol ill take my extreme time crunch with a mountain dew baja blast please 19:12:16 oh god, now I feel sick 19:12:18 i don't have answers, but we can at least have the conversation :-) 19:12:23 Mountain Dew.... 19:12:43 Something to do with 'trying to put out a whole os release every six months' 19:12:50 perhaps we should make the 'no rc by wed' a auto slip 19:13:01 ^ agreed 19:13:02 nirik: I would really like to see that. 19:13:03 so to wash down our Extreme Time Crunch, Mountain Dew we want to move on to the decision now? 19:13:39 you missed 'Bel Grande!' at the end, but not sure they do that anymore. 19:13:39 not all late RCs are created equal, but that might be the best way. we don't need to solve it this minute, though. we have six whole months to not solve it 19:13:46 nirik: wasn't that already an auto slip? 19:13:47 We're gonna need Fire sauce for the decision. 19:14:09 or was it a "we should slip if this happens" instead of an automatic thing 19:14:10 #topic Go/No-Go decision 19:14:11 tflink: We have been thinking/saying it, but never done it 19:14:12 tflink: not really, kinda a wishy washy we should do this... I don't think we formally ever decided it. 19:14:13 .fire sauce 19:14:13 adamw fires sauce 19:14:20 lol 19:14:23 lol 19:14:27 .fire dew 19:14:27 adamw fires dew 19:14:31 .fire the sauce 19:14:31 adamw fires the sauce 19:14:34 FESCo? 19:14:53 As a FESCo monkey, I say +1 to GO 19:15:03 I'm also a bit unhappy with the amount of testing, but +1 to go 19:15:03 :) 19:15:09 #info FESCo is GO 19:15:11 releng? 19:15:17 I will vote after QA 19:15:39 aw, that's no fun 19:15:43 Or if QA says its GO, I am okay with GO 19:15:48 if QA is no-go, it doesn't matter what you say anyway :p 19:15:52 lol 19:15:57 Right :D 19:16:02 QA? 19:16:24 I will fall with my leader. Lets adamw have his say. 19:16:24 *crickets* 19:16:29 * bcotton now recalls the "North Carolina yields to South Carolina" bit from the movie "1776" 19:16:31 Now the million dollar question... tick tick tick.... 19:16:38 ⏲️ 19:16:41 sorry 19:16:43 drum roll 19:16:45 lruzicka: now's your chance to stage the coup 19:16:47 was reading very important pokemon things 19:16:52 🥁 19:16:56 #info QA is catching them all 19:17:08 we wanted to be the very best 19:17:09 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁v 19:17:11 i guess according to policy we have to vote go 19:17:14 note: if release slips, blame pokemon 19:17:28 🎶 Born to be a leader! Born to be very best! 🎶 19:18:00 adamw: so if it weren't the policy you would vote no? 19:18:02 bcotton: new york abstains.... courteously 19:18:06 (serious question) 19:18:08 well, "the very best" :P 19:18:10 mattdm: i would vote to go back to bed 19:18:13 adamw: no pressure, but in a way you are now voting for releng as well :D 19:18:16 fair :) 19:18:20 nirik++ 19:18:26 adamw++ 19:18:27 relrod: Karma for adamwill changed to 17 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:18:38 adamw++ 19:18:38 nb: Karma for adamwill changed to 18 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:18:49 okay then 19:18:51 FPL has a perpetual "unless it's gonna make me wear a brown bag over my head for a month, ship it!" vote 19:18:51 from my own perspective, I am ok with what I have been using for some time already. 19:19:01 " i would vote to go back to bed" I will definitely vote GO on that :) 19:19:23 .fire adamw into bed 19:19:23 adamw fires adamw into bed 19:19:26 #info QA is go 19:19:34 #info Releng is GO 19:19:43 #agreed Fedora Linux 34 Final is GO 19:19:50 #info Fedora Linux 34 Final will release on 2021-04-27 19:19:50 Wheeeeeee! 19:19:52 🥳 19:19:57 #action bcotton to announce decision 19:20:03 1.2 correct 19:20:08 yes 19:20:08 🎊 19:20:10 may god(s) have mercy on our souls. 19:20:13 #action bcotton to start a discussion on how to avoid the Extreme Time Crunch Burrito for F35+ 19:20:23 Well, fedora release party will happen after the release, so, there's that 19:20:27 that would be nice 19:20:27 #topic Open floor 19:20:34 I'm exhausted now :) 19:20:34 Anything else we need to discuss before closing? 19:20:38 OH WAIT I FOUND A BUG 19:20:47 lol 19:20:47 i'll note that fixing the process is explicitly out of scope for this open floor 19:20:47 ...just kidding! 19:20:47 .fire coremodule 19:20:47 adamw fires coremodule 19:20:49 coremodule: Its not a blocker, dont worry 19:20:52 too many of us need to sleep first 19:20:53 well, I hope you are joking 19:20:54 🪦 19:20:57 :D 19:20:59 coremodule no changing our mind after GO decision :) 19:21:00 coremodule, last minute blocker 19:21:48 bcotton: So, no-go if we dont have a compose by Wed morning? 19:21:48 i thought that was someone elses job 19:21:53 Should we decide on that? 19:22:07 we should probably have a separate policy discussion about this 19:22:12 like we decided on it before? 19:22:16 because we had down the wire things for two Fedora releases before 19:22:21 *now, not before 19:22:35 we always will 19:22:42 * bcotton points mboddu to the "i'll note that fixing the process is explicitly out of scope for this open floor" sign 19:23:01 I support the idea to have a policy meeting for this. 19:23:06 bcotton: Oh, I missed it, sorry 19:23:28 IMHO even if we make an auto-slip policy, we will still be tempted to make an exception if the situation arises 19:23:32 once is eck, twice is ugh, and thrice is a pattern 19:23:35 yeah, this should be a long, community-wide discussion 19:23:47 let's not get to "thrice is a pattern" 19:23:57 aren't we way past thrice at this point? 19:24:02 Eighth_Doctor, its been a pattern for a much longer time than that 19:24:09 I don't think we had this problem in F32 19:24:11 what's the worth for the 34th time something happens? 19:24:13 tflink: At least not continuously 19:24:16 s/worth/word/ 19:24:29 the controversy that cycle was the artwork 19:24:52 F33 was secure boot, and F34 was... well, sddm and secure boot 19:25:01 well we had alot of outside things beyound our control shim 19:25:14 okay, i think we've done all we can do here today 19:25:23 it go so lets go 19:25:26 i'll send the announcement and we can all get ready for our happy fun release day 19:25:42 🎊 🎉 19:25:43 yaay 19:25:46 thanks everyone for the work as always, and the extra long meeting this time 19:25:47 bcotton++ 19:25:49 adamw++ 19:25:50 mattdm: Karma for adamwill changed to 19 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:25:52 Eighth_Doctor++ 19:25:54 Southern_Gentlem++ 19:25:56 mboddu++ 19:25:59 sumantro++ 19:25:59 mattdm: Karma for sumantro changed to 6 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:00 adamw++ 19:26:01 tflink++ 19:26:02 mattdm: Karma for tflink changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:04 mattdm++ 19:26:05 bcotton++ 19:26:08 lruzicka++ 19:26:08 mattdm: Karma for lruzicka changed to 6 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:09 mattdm: you'll need to use my actual fas name :P 19:26:09 Eighth_Doctor++ 19:26:12 Southern_Gentlem++ 19:26:12 nb: Karma for jbwillia changed to 9 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:15 lukc++ 19:26:15 ngompa++ 19:26:18 mattdm: Karma for lukc changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:20 tflink++ sumantro++ 19:26:21 nb: Karma for ngompa changed to 12 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:24 nb: Karma for tflink changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:27 ngompa++ 19:26:27 nb: Karma for sumantro changed to 7 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:30 mattdm: Karma for ngompa changed to 13 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 19:26:32 COOKIE PARTY! 19:26:32 #endmeeting