2024-02-12 17:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F40-blocker-review
2024-02-12 17:05:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-12 17:05:09 UTC
2024-02-12 17:05:09 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F40-blocker-review'
2024-02-12 17:05:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-02-12 17:05:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> welcome to the adam and meetbot show, er, I mean, the first F40 blocker review meeting, folks
2024-02-12 17:05:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around to review some blockers
2024-02-12 17:05:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Present
2024-02-12 17:05:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-12 17:05:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-02-12 17:05:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-12 17:05:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm, do we need the other bot too?
2024-02-12 17:06:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-02-12 17:06:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-02-12 17:06:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2024-02-12 17:06:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
2024-02-12 17:06:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-02-12 17:06:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2024-02-12 17:06:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-02-12 17:06:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a bot party!
2024-02-12 17:06:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> done goto done
2024-02-12 17:06:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> maybe i'll just get a bunch of chatgpt instances in to run the meeting and do the voting and we can all go to the beach
2024-02-12 17:07:02 <@gui1ty:fedora.im> and freeze your butt off ...
2024-02-12 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: look, i told you not to install rawhide on your pacemaker
2024-02-12 17:07:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> uhhh
2024-02-12 17:07:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> isn't that what fiot is for?
2024-02-12 17:08:06 <@salimma:fedora.im> AdamGPT
2024-02-12 17:08:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: my lawyers have advised me not to answer that question
2024-02-12 17:08:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alllrighty, let's get going before the medical malpractice lawyers wake up
2024-02-12 17:08:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2024-02-12 17:09:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2024-02-12 17:09:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2024-02-12 17:09:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2024-02-12 17:09:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2024-02-12 17:09:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2024-02-12 17:09:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2024-02-12 17:09:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2024-02-12 17:09:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2024-02-12 17:09:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria
2024-02-12 17:09:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria
2024-02-12 17:09:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's OK if you have a transactional update system, provided you extend it to also snapshot your body :P
2024-02-12 17:09:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Beta, we have:
2024-02-12 17:09:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 5 Proposed Blockers
2024-02-12 17:09:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Accepted Blockers
2024-02-12 17:09:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers
2024-02-12 17:10:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 6 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2024-02-12 17:10:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final, we have:
2024-02-12 17:10:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Proposed Blockers
2024-02-12 17:10:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i will now open the betting on how many times i type `#` instead of `!` by mistake
2024-02-12 17:11:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to be the secretary?
2024-02-12 17:11:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> coremodule: were you here?
2024-02-12 17:11:37 <@coremodule:fedora.im> I'll do it
2024-02-12 17:12:42 <@coremodule:fedora.im> I'll do it
2024-02-12 17:12:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> both of you! great
2024-02-12 17:12:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info coremodule will be the secretary
2024-02-12 17:13:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's get going
2024-02-12 17:13:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, also, thanks to kparal for updating all the templates to matrix format
2024-02-12 17:13:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta blockers
2024-02-12 17:14:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2263871) Creating a 1 MB partition creates a 999 MB partition instead
2024-02-12 17:14:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2263871
2024-02-12 17:14:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1457
2024-02-12 17:14:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, cockpit, POST
2024-02-12 17:14:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2024-02-12 17:14:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> my first question is "you can create a 1MB partition"?
2024-02-12 17:14:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sure, biosboot
2024-02-12 17:15:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is with the new cockpit ui that's replacing blivet-gui, right Kamil Páral ?
2024-02-12 17:15:14 <@kparal:matrix.org> yes
2024-02-12 17:15:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we need to update all the criteria and test cases for that, sigh
2024-02-12 17:15:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but for now let's read all instances of 'blivet-gui' as applying to it, that seems the sensible policy
2024-02-12 17:15:46 <@kparal:matrix.org> if you read the upstream issue, the problem is actually that if you change the TB/GB/MB dropdown, the value is updated, but not displayed
2024-02-12 17:15:54 <@kparal:matrix.org> so this is not related to biosboot
2024-02-12 17:16:08 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Which makes it worse
2024-02-12 17:16:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, i was misreading conan's question
2024-02-12 17:16:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> change GB to MB and the value gets multiplied by 1000, but not changed in appearance
2024-02-12 17:17:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof
2024-02-12 17:17:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's actually pretty severe
2024-02-12 17:17:27 <@kparal:matrix.org> also given the fact that all disk changes are applied immediately 🙂
2024-02-12 17:17:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what?!
2024-02-12 17:17:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, so if you change the dropdown to MB first then type a value it works as expected, but not if you do ti the other way around?
2024-02-12 17:17:53 <@kparal:matrix.org> that's what it says
2024-02-12 17:17:58 <@kparal:matrix.org> in UI
2024-02-12 17:18:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh god
2024-02-12 17:18:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's horrifying
2024-02-12 17:18:17 <@kparal:matrix.org> that should be correct
2024-02-12 17:18:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we literally are back to the 90s
2024-02-12 17:18:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> "!@#$ it, we're doing it live", the installer experience
2024-02-12 17:18:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alright, everybody save the freakout for later
2024-02-12 17:18:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is definitely blockery
2024-02-12 17:19:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> especially with the *shudders* implications
2024-02-12 17:19:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-12 17:20:43 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-12 17:21:22 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> But can someone file a bug to get batched changes made to the disk and raise THAT as a blocker oto?
2024-02-12 17:21:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> But can someone file a bug to get batched changes made to the disk and raise THAT as a blocker too?
2024-02-12 17:21:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-12 17:21:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please!
2024-02-12 17:21:52 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> is that planned at all? I don't think it is
2024-02-12 17:22:04 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> BetaBlocker +1
2024-02-12 17:22:11 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> IMHO, if that's not part of this, they need to roll back to blivet-gui...
2024-02-12 17:22:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think this might have Political Aspects, but we can at least trigger the conversation
2024-02-12 17:22:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh joy
2024-02-12 17:23:09 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 beta blocker
2024-02-12 17:23:11 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, anaconda guys sit about 15 meters from me, I'll make posters and place them around their cubicle :D
2024-02-12 17:23:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think I'm glad I haven't opted in to the new UI for KDE yet
2024-02-12 17:23:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's really scary
2024-02-12 17:23:34 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Can Taylor comment about queuing disk changes at the big sportsball game?
2024-02-12 17:23:38 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Or is it too late for that
2024-02-12 17:23:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2024-02-12 17:24:13 <@kparal:matrix.org> this is what I see, notice the message at top: https://i.imgur.com/GRcefkH.png
2024-02-12 17:24:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i saw it in the screencast
2024-02-12 17:24:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhow
2024-02-12 17:24:30 <@kparal:matrix.org> but I haven't investigated it closer, whether it really writes the changes immediately
2024-02-12 17:24:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's handle this bug for now
2024-02-12 17:24:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: the screencast rather looks like it does
2024-02-12 17:25:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh lord
2024-02-12 17:25:28 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Someone file a bug and we'll discuss it there. Let's not block the blocker meeting :)
2024-02-12 17:25:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> I just tried, it really performs changes live
2024-02-12 17:26:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2263871 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "When using both the installer-native and the blivet-gui-based custom partitioning flow, the installer must be able to: Assign sizes to newly-created storage volumes and containers". technically it *can* do that, but not in a way that makes any sense to a user. We are considering cockpit to be the 'installer-native' custom partitioning flow for current Workstation live images
2024-02-12 17:26:16 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Most exciting installer experience in recent memory
2024-02-12 17:26:22 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 17:26:26 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:26:27 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:26:28 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:26:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2263871 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "When using both the installer-native and the blivet-gui-based custom partitioning flow, the installer must be able to: Assign sizes to newly-created storage volumes and containers". technically it can do that, but not in a way that makes any sense to a user. We are considering cockpit to be the 'installer-native' custom partitioning flow for current Workstation live images
2024-02-12 17:27:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2243872 has +4 votes in the ticket so it should be accepted already, skipping (I will mark it accepted)
2024-02-12 17:27:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2259050) Workstation Live boots to corrupted desktop display
2024-02-12 17:27:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2259050
2024-02-12 17:27:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1455
2024-02-12 17:27:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, mutter, NEW
2024-02-12 17:27:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+0,0,-2) (-tablepc, -nielsenb)
2024-02-12 17:28:23 <@tablepc:matrix.org> As I recall I haven't seen this in anyh of the last drops I tested
2024-02-12 17:28:54 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'll ask lbrabec to take a look in the office tomorrow or Thursday whenever he's coming

otherwise, it seemed like to affect radeonsi gpus (I probably did something wrong when atempting to use amdgpu there)
2024-02-12 17:28:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Are you testing with fairly old AMD graphics hardware?
2024-02-12 17:29:36 <@tablepc:matrix.org> no Intel moderate age
2024-02-12 17:30:05 <@tablepc:matrix.org> about 6 years old
2024-02-12 17:30:34 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I'd suggest deferring this until we understand if it's affecting common hardware.
2024-02-12 17:30:49 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't fully understand why a fix to the linked Mutter bug fixes the issue as I see it, but it does
2024-02-12 17:31:03 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm pretty sure the card supports hardware cursors
2024-02-12 17:31:05 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> At the moment, I rather expect that by the time we release F40, the affected hardware may in fact just finish crumbling into dust :-P 
2024-02-12 17:31:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we have time to punt, so let's do that
2024-02-12 17:31:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: are you sure it's the mutter update and not a new kernel build that fixed it?
2024-02-12 17:31:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I am not sure about that, the hw was sold around 2010s, people use even far older hw
2024-02-12 17:31:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The display on the afflicted laptop appears to be molding, so you might not be wrong.
2024-02-12 17:31:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I am not sure, but I don't see a linked kernel bug.
2024-02-12 17:32:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: we certainly don't track everything that gets fixed in the upstream kernel downstream
2024-02-12 17:32:49 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I know, but without the context of a bug, I'm unlikely to be real sure what I'm looking at in the kernel change
2024-02-12 17:32:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sure
2024-02-12 17:33:04 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> But you are right in that I don't know which change fixed it
2024-02-12 17:33:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but hey, if it's fixed it's fixed!
2024-02-12 17:33:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> you can always try booting an old kernel and/or downgrading mutter if you want to figure out what fixed it, i guess
2024-02-12 17:35:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or we can just say "meh it's fixed" and focus on the other stuff :)
2024-02-12 17:36:26 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, I'm inclined to say we just look the other way for now, see if it's fixed on the other hardware (or creeps up elsewhere)
2024-02-12 17:37:52 <@tablepc:matrix.org> I don't think it will go unnoticed
2024-02-12 17:39:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2259050 - punt (delay decision) - there are strong indications that this is fixed by a recent kernel, mesa and/or mutter update, so we are punting in the expectation it will be closed as fixed with confirmation from lbrabec soon. If not, we will reconsider it next time
2024-02-12 17:39:30 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:39:36 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:39:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:39:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 17:40:03 <@tablepc:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 17:40:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2259050 - punt (delay decision) - there are strong indications that this is fixed by a recent kernel, mesa and/or mutter update, so we are punting in the expectation it will be closed as fixed with confirmation from lbrabec soon. If not, we will reconsider it next time
2024-02-12 17:40:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2236356) the software raid disk becomes unusable after click "Rescan" twice
2024-02-12 17:40:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2236356
2024-02-12 17:40:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1321
2024-02-12 17:40:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, ASSIGNED
2024-02-12 17:40:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +geraldosimiao)
2024-02-12 17:42:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's... special
2024-02-12 17:43:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-12 17:43:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this of course kinda exposes another issue with webui going to cockpit
2024-02-12 17:43:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we can't stop caring about blivet issues, because all blocking images except workstation live still use it
2024-02-12 17:44:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so we now have even more storage flows to keep track of
2024-02-12 17:45:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I can think of a way to make this worse, but I shan't speak it aloud so hopefully it doesn't happen
2024-02-12 17:45:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please don't help
2024-02-12 17:45:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> :P
2024-02-12 17:46:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm, it seems it was a little difficult to be sure if this is webui-specific
2024-02-12 17:47:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> by the looks of it, my best interpretation of lnie's comments is that this is kinda specific to webui, the old ui implementation behaves differently
2024-02-12 17:47:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but i am not too sure about that, tbh, especially given lnie's later comment
2024-02-12 17:48:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it might be worth trying to get further clarification about this
2024-02-12 17:53:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2236356 - punt (delay decision) - with webui currently using cockpit, it would be helpful to clarify for sure what exactly the status of this issue is with webui/cockpit, webui/blivet and the current ui
2024-02-12 17:53:34 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:53:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 17:55:14 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 17:56:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2236356 - punt (delay decision) - with webui currently using cockpit, it would be helpful to clarify for sure what exactly the status of this issue is with webui/cockpit, webui/blivet and the current ui
2024-02-12 17:56:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2259264 had +4 in ticket votes, I have marked it as accepted
2024-02-12 18:01:22 <@jkonecny:fedora.im> Just for clarification. The "do the partitioning yourself" solution you see is existing project Cockpit Storage which is integrated into Anaconda. The point of the integration was to make it obvious to people that this is an external tool and not a part of Anaconda. For that reason changes are applied immediately. The plan is that only a fraction of users should use this tool but most of the users should be covered by automatic "smart" guided partitioning. This Guided partitioning should be our main focus. At the end the goal is to simplify partitioning for users and make it easier to use Anaconda and install Fedora.
2024-02-12 18:02:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't think you can just ignore the flow established users, or users switching that want to preserve their data, might use.
2024-02-12 18:03:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we don't need to argue about that in this meeting, though
2024-02-12 18:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's keep it focused
2024-02-12 18:03:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> honestly, it's pretty bad form that Cockpit Storage does that at all.
2024-02-12 18:03:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but anyway, not something for here
2024-02-12 18:03:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Right
2024-02-12 18:04:35 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't think we can just ignore the flow established users, or users switching that want to preserve their data, might use.
2024-02-12 18:05:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2024-02-12 18:08:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2247872) Don't write /etc/lvm/devices/system.devices when not doing an end-user install
2024-02-12 18:08:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872
2024-02-12 18:08:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1438
2024-02-12 18:08:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, POST
2024-02-12 18:08:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb)
2024-02-12 18:08:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Peter Boy: around? i think your thoughts on this have developed?
2024-02-12 18:09:25 <@pboy:fedora.im> Soprry<, yes
2024-02-12 18:10:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> We are sure, we have a solution, but not tested yet. So we should postpone to next week. We may see clearer.
2024-02-12 18:10:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> seems like your last comment is a summary of what you'd like to do - ensure none of the images we release have a `/etc/lvm/devices/system.devices` in them , make the installer write it for the installed system at install time, and then adjust the arm image installer script to cope with the system it's running from potentially having one, right?
2024-02-12 18:11:03 <@pboy:fedora.im> Otherwise +1 Blocker
2024-02-12 18:11:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> right, yes
2024-02-12 18:15:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alright, i guess we can give it a week to clarify things here...
2024-02-12 18:16:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2247872 - punt (delay decision) - pboy is working through the plan and the implications here, we will delay the decision for a bit so we have a clearer picture
2024-02-12 18:16:20 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 18:16:30 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 18:19:37 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 18:19:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2247872 - punt (delay decision) - pboy is working through the plan and the implications here, we will delay the decision for a bit so we have a clearer picture
2024-02-12 18:20:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sorry, i'm trying to manage a few things aside from this meeting atm...
2024-02-12 18:20:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2245371) [x86 MacBook Pro] iso stuck at "Booting a command list"
2024-02-12 18:20:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2245371
2024-02-12 18:20:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1418
2024-02-12 18:20:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, grub2, NEW
2024-02-12 18:20:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+osalbahr, +nielsenb)
2024-02-12 18:22:27 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Seems fixed?
2024-02-12 18:22:33 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Guess I didn't notice that when I voted
2024-02-12 18:28:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah...
2024-02-12 18:28:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> I'll ask the reporter for info
2024-02-12 18:29:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2245371 - punt (delay decision) - it seems this may be resolved already, we will delay the decision while we wait for confirmation from the reporter
2024-02-12 18:30:32 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 18:30:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 18:33:56 <@tablepc:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 18:35:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2245371 - punt (delay decision) - it seems this may be resolved already, we will delay the decision while we wait for confirmation from the reporter
2024-02-12 18:35:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, last one
2024-02-12 18:35:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2248071) systemd-oomd doesn't kick in on high memory pressure, leading to system lockup
2024-02-12 18:35:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248071
2024-02-12 18:35:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1454
2024-02-12 18:35:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, systemd, NEW
2024-02-12 18:35:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb)
2024-02-12 18:37:12 <@tablepc:matrix.org> What's considered min memory lately
2024-02-12 18:38:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview/ says 2GB minimum, 4GB recommended
2024-02-12 18:38:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i say good luck using a modern web browser with less than 8, heh
2024-02-12 18:39:01 <@tablepc:matrix.org> My test machine has 8GB so I'll never see this.
2024-02-12 18:39:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I tested in a 4 GB VM, couldn't reproduce
2024-02-12 18:39:33 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I guess I could try again in a 2 GB VM
2024-02-12 18:40:41 <@tablepc:matrix.org> I keep my other machines at 32GB I have no problem using Browser on my test machine
2024-02-12 18:47:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i can very easily get to OOM conditions with 8G, heh
2024-02-12 18:47:39 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Worked as I would expect with 2 GB in a VM too
2024-02-12 18:47:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> in fact i had to stop using one laptop i have here because of that...
2024-02-12 18:49:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i agree we might need more testing here
2024-02-12 18:52:28 <@tablepc:matrix.org> Perhaps changing the recommended min to 8GB would be good.
2024-02-12 18:55:49 <@tablepc:matrix.org> Maybe 4GB to 8GB range
2024-02-12 18:56:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think that's really the answer to a bug like this, though
2024-02-12 18:56:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i just tried the reproducer, and i'm...not sure whether i reproduced it or not. :D added a comment
2024-02-12 18:56:51 <@tablepc:matrix.org> You're right I understand.
2024-02-12 18:57:40 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Did you get "killed" in the terminal?
2024-02-12 18:57:50 <@tablepc:matrix.org> I just doubt anyone can do much with a 2GB machine
2024-02-12 18:59:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sure, but it's not like oom is impossible to trigger with 4G, or 8G, or 16G, or even 32G, depending what you're doing
2024-02-12 18:59:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> run enough VMs, open enough browser tabs...
2024-02-12 19:00:35 <@tablepc:matrix.org> Yes I run some simulation the should trigger OOM oon my 8GB machine
2024-02-12 19:01:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The linked github issue seems to point the finger at ZRAM being the difference between Fedora and "other"
2024-02-12 19:01:50 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Wonder if that somehow keeps systemd-oomd from behaving "correctly" in some instances
2024-02-12 19:07:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhow...punt for testing?
2024-02-12 19:07:22 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1 for punt
2024-02-12 19:07:44 <@tablepc:matrix.org> +1 for Punt
2024-02-12 19:08:05 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I guess?
2024-02-12 19:08:26 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Can't say I have a better idea
2024-02-12 19:13:11 <@salimma:fedora.im> we're out of time it seems?
2024-02-12 19:13:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, sorry
2024-02-12 19:14:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2248071 - punt (delay decision) - we agreed this bug could do with further testing for a more complete understanding of whether systemd-oomd really isn't working at all, or is not kicking in in certain circumstances, or what. I will post a request for testing
2024-02-12 19:14:47 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 19:14:57 <@tablepc:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 19:15:15 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-12 19:23:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-12 19:29:30 <@tablepc:matrix.org> 
Have a Great rest of your day!
2024-02-12 19:32:09 <@tablepc:matrix.org> !bye
2024-02-12 19:35:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks, sorry folks
2024-02-12 19:35:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> trying to pilot too many chats at once :(
2024-02-12 19:36:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2248071 - punt (delay decision) - we agreed this bug could do with further testing for a more complete understanding of whether systemd-oomd really isn't working at all, or is not kicking in in certain circumstances, or what. I will post a request for testing
2024-02-12 19:36:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting