2024-02-26 17:01:52 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !startmeeting F40-blocker-review
2024-02-26 17:01:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-26 17:01:52 UTC
2024-02-26 17:01:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F40-blocker-review'
2024-02-26 17:02:09 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-02-26 17:02:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-26 17:02:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2024-02-26 17:02:58 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-26 17:02:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2024-02-26 17:03:20 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Aloha
2024-02-26 17:03:25 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> o/ seems like people are going in here just cause of adam, sigh, let's wait a bit for hopefully more to come 😁
2024-02-26 17:05:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-02-26 17:06:31 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> seems like we can go on, hello hello everybody :)
2024-02-26 17:06:46 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
!info The bugs up for review today are available at:
!link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
!info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria
!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria
2024-02-26 17:07:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> huh
2024-02-26 17:07:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> zodbot hasn't responded to me yet
2024-02-26 17:07:44 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> hmm :( , I guess we can move on, hopefully we didn't crash the poor bot
2024-02-26 17:08:04 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !info for Beta, we have:
2024-02-26 17:08:20 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !info 4 Proposed Blockers
!info 6 Accepted Blockers
!info 0 Accepted 0-day Blockers
!info 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers
!info 5 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
!info 10 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2024-02-26 17:08:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta blockers
2024-02-26 17:08:59 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2263952) Update the background-logo extension for 46.beta
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2263952
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1460
!info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell-extension-background-logo, NEW
!info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+4,0,-2) (+asciiwolf, +catanzaro, +geraldosimiao, +lruzicka, -adamwill, -nielsenb)
!info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+lruzicka)
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+asciiwolf)
2024-02-26 17:10:11 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> hmm, it seems not much has changed with this one, we don't have a criterion that would cover such a request, we can't make it a blocker, unless somebody would like to come up with such a criterion?
2024-02-26 17:10:55 <@kparal:matrix.org> František Zatloukal: just FYI, I just proposed another blocker - rhbz 2266096
2024-02-26 17:11:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> noted, will include that one, it should take us more than 30 minutes before we finish with blockers, so the web app will pick it up
2024-02-26 17:12:12 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd say clearly Blocker -1 here, but plenty of people voted +1 in the ticket
2024-02-26 17:12:28 <@kparal:matrix.org> -1, no criterion
2024-02-26 17:12:35 <@kparal:matrix.org> those with +1 should try to justify it
2024-02-26 17:13:04 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> -1 BB, +1 FB based on Fedora Art criterion
2024-02-26 17:13:51 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> that leaves us with -5 Blocker, +3, that wouldn't be enough to reject it unfortunately
2024-02-26 17:13:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> lruzicka: you mean this one? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria#Artwork
2024-02-26 17:14:12 <@kparal:matrix.org> that only talks about the wallpaper
2024-02-26 17:14:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> well, not just about the wallpaper, it's written more generally, true
2024-02-26 17:15:45 <@kparal:matrix.org> let's focus on Beta for now
2024-02-26 17:16:03 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, we can reevaluate final when it comes to it
2024-02-26 17:16:19 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Yeah, I meant that one. For some reason I thought it was applicable to Beta, too.
2024-02-26 17:16:30 <@kparal:matrix.org> František Zatloukal: you can try to ping those 3 people here on in the ticket and wait if they respond. If not, I wouldn't count their votes, we need a fluent communication otherwise we would be stuck forever
2024-02-26 17:16:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FinalBlocker
2024-02-26 17:17:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE (for Beta)
2024-02-26 17:17:25 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Do we have a process to movepropose this so that we don't forget?
2024-02-26 17:18:06 <@kparal:matrix.org> sure, just change the tracker to FinalBlocker
2024-02-26 17:19:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, we can make it a FinalBlocker, +1 from me, we're at +3, under the criteron @lruzicka proposed
2024-02-26 17:20:26 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Ok, let me do it right away.
2024-02-26 17:20:45 <@kparal:matrix.org> well you shouldn't right now
2024-02-26 17:20:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> before the Beta status is clear
2024-02-26 17:21:20 <@kparal:matrix.org> FinalBlocker 0
I'm not really sure if the criterion is intended to work this way (mandating that an extension works)
2024-02-26 17:22:10 <@kparal:matrix.org> let me rephrase. You can add FinalBlocker right now, but shouldn't BetaBlocker, before we decide it
2024-02-26 17:22:26 <@kparal:matrix.org> let me rephrase. You can add FinalBlocker right now, but shouldn't remove BetaBlocker, before we decide it
2024-02-26 17:22:41 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> what about this?
2024-02-26 17:22:46 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2263952 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "The proposed final Fedora artwork must be included and used as the background on release-blocking desktops. All Fedora artwork visible in critical path actions on release-blocking desktops must be consistent with the proposed final theme.".
2024-02-26 17:22:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure we've blocked the release before on ensuring the extension works
2024-02-26 17:22:57 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am going to add Final Blocker proposal right now and not touch the beta stuff
2024-02-26 17:23:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> because it is a major part of our branding
2024-02-26 17:23:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> whether it's an extension or something else is really an implementation detail, the coverage is about ensuring our artwork and branding is present
2024-02-26 17:23:33 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, the final criterion makes sense, imo
2024-02-26 17:23:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:24:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if we had a blocking spin where the fedora logo wasn't showing up, I would also have it fall under that criterion
2024-02-26 17:25:18 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> anymore acks/nacks :) ?
2024-02-26 17:25:53 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im just here lurking and catching up from being off :)
2024-02-26 17:26:12 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:29:20 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> one more?
2024-02-26 17:29:46 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Ack
2024-02-26 17:30:01 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2263952 - RejectedBlocker (Beta) AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "The proposed final Fedora artwork must be included and used as the background on release-blocking desktops. All Fedora artwork visible in critical path actions on release-blocking desktops must be consistent with the proposed final theme.".
2024-02-26 17:30:03 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Thanks
2024-02-26 17:30:16 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2236356) the software raid disk becomes unusable after click "Rescan" twice
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2236356
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1321
!info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, POST
!info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+3,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +geraldosimiao, +adamwill)
!info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+lruzicka, +nielsenb)
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+asciiwolf, +lruzicka)
2024-02-26 17:30:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> That seems pretty clear cut
2024-02-26 17:30:58 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I guess, we will not have to deal with this one any more, do we?
2024-02-26 17:31:23 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I guess, we will not have to deal with this one any more, will we?
2024-02-26 17:31:32 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, I'd say, +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-26 17:31:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-26 17:32:12 <@pboy:fedora.im> +1   Beta (+1 final)
2024-02-26 17:32:16 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Is this not the WebUI stuff?
2024-02-26 17:33:15 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> afaik it affects the blivet codepath, which is used also by the gtk installer
2024-02-26 17:33:28 <@pboy:fedora.im> If I remember correctly, that notexacltly  clear
2024-02-26 17:33:46 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2236356#c14
2024-02-26 17:33:53 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Ok, in that case +1 BetaBlocker
2024-02-26 17:33:56 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> I think thats a reproducer for GTK GUI.
2024-02-26 17:35:38 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2236356 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware RAID storage devices."
2024-02-26 17:35:54 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:36:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 17:39:47 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> one more anybody :) ?
2024-02-26 17:41:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:41:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2236356 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "The installer must be able to detect and install to hardware RAID storage devices."
2024-02-26 17:41:49 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2244744) POSTIN scriptlet dbus-common
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2244744
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1477
!info Proposed Blocker, rpm, NEW
2024-02-26 17:43:11 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> so, it seems like bunch of collections are failing to be installed using the non-live medias
2024-02-26 17:44:54 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd say +1 Blocker based on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria#Package_set_selection
2024-02-26 17:47:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 Beta Blocker
2024-02-26 17:48:06 <@pboy:fedora.im> +1  There still seems to be a lot that is unclear.
2024-02-26 17:48:56 <@pboy:fedora.im> And non-live installation is a wish of many. 
2024-02-26 17:49:34 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-26 17:49:40 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2244744 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "When installing with the generic network install image, interactively selecting a package set other than the default must work."
2024-02-26 17:49:53 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:50:00 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 17:56:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 17:56:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2244744 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "When installing with the generic network install image, interactively selecting a package set other than the default must work."
2024-02-26 17:56:50 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2247873) U-Boot doesn't find and load the Fedora provided DTBs from /boot/dtb
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247873
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1471
!info Proposed Blocker, uboot-tools, ASSIGNED
!info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+3,0,-0) (+adamwill, +nielsenb, +geraldosimiao)
2024-02-26 17:58:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think, the voting is clear, +1 Beta blocker
2024-02-26 17:58:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 Beta Blocker for sure
2024-02-26 17:58:52 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 BB
2024-02-26 17:59:27 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, +1 Beta Blocker
2024-02-26 18:00:34 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2247873 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations." as the affected hardware is a supported platform and Server is a blocking deliverable.
2024-02-26 18:00:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:00:48 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:02:25 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:03:23 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2247873 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as a violation of "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations." as the affected hardware is a supported platform and Server is a blocking deliverable.
2024-02-26 18:03:36 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2266096) updates-testing is disabled, when it shouldn't
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2266096
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1479
!info Proposed Blocker, fedora-repos, NEW
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+asciiwolf)
2024-02-26 18:04:15 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'm not really sure if there is some grounds to block on it
2024-02-26 18:04:17 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> welp, do we have a criterion for it?
2024-02-26 18:04:26 <@kparal:matrix.org> we have a final criterion that correct repos must be defined
2024-02-26 18:04:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> but we have nothing like that for beta
2024-02-26 18:04:51 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> hmm, I'd say something that hampers testing could fit...
2024-02-26 18:05:07 <@kparal:matrix.org> I think we had some note somewhere that if a bug severely reduces QA coverage, it can be a blocker. But I can't find it now.
2024-02-26 18:05:16 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Isn't there a criterion to support testability?
2024-02-26 18:05:23 <@kparal:matrix.org> can you find it?
2024-02-26 18:05:29 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> let me se
2024-02-26 18:05:34 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> let me see
2024-02-26 18:06:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> overall, if we release Beta without updates-testing, the world will not burn. I'm not sure if it should be a blocker in the first place. But it will definitely reduce QA coverage from community.
2024-02-26 18:06:15 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think it's kind of  self-explanatory. In Beta you must  be a able to test  :-) 
2024-02-26 18:06:38 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I mean, worst case of having it as a FE wouldn't hurt, I'd expect the fix to be trivial
2024-02-26 18:07:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> if we want to get into wording battles, it could violate "The installed system must be able appropriately to install, remove, and update" as it doesn't appropriately update, but...
2024-02-26 18:08:11 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, seems bout perfect lruzicka 
2024-02-26 18:08:34 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> According to the Release Criteria, a beta blocker is a bug that hinders execution of required Beta test plans :D
2024-02-26 18:09:04 <@kparal:matrix.org> lruzicka: please post a link for the meeting log
2024-02-26 18:09:13 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria#Beta_Blocker_Bugs
2024-02-26 18:09:18 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Sure, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria#Beta_Blocker_Bugs
2024-02-26 18:09:43 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1 Beta Blocker
2024-02-26 18:09:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> now the question is whether it "dramatically reduces test coverage"
2024-02-26 18:10:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> the community coverage, I'd say yes. But the release validation test cases, not really.
2024-02-26 18:10:31 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I suppose, if you overlook that updates-testing is off, you will not be able to test anything until Beta freeze :D
2024-02-26 18:10:40 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> the criterion doesn't specify that, on purpose I'd say?
2024-02-26 18:11:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 Beta Blocker
2024-02-26 18:11:12 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 Beta Blocker
2024-02-26 18:11:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> just a moment
2024-02-26 18:11:37 <@kparal:matrix.org> in https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-key-tasks.html I see "Bodhi updates-testing activation point" to be tomorrow
2024-02-26 18:11:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> I wonder if releng could possible only want to enable u-t at the same time? I don't know
2024-02-26 18:12:13 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> it doesn't matter in the end for the blocker designation
2024-02-26 18:12:20 <@kparal:matrix.org> but in the past, I believe it was enabled right with branching
2024-02-26 18:12:30 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> anyhoo
2024-02-26 18:12:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> right
2024-02-26 18:12:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> so I guess +1 beta blocker
2024-02-26 18:12:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2266096 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as it "hinders execution of required Beta test plans or dramatically reduces test coverage".
2024-02-26 18:12:51 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:13:01 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:14:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:14:52 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2266096 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - this is accepted as it "hinders execution of required Beta test plans or dramatically reduces test coverage".
2024-02-26 18:15:56 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta exceptions
2024-02-26 18:16:20 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, what about 2247872  ?
2024-02-26 18:17:00 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> that's final Peter Boy 
2024-02-26 18:17:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> ah OK
2024-02-26 18:17:24 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2265238) anaconda fails to start on AArch64 lmc runs
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2265238
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1473
!info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, anaconda, NEW

2024-02-26 18:18:37 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, I'd say +1 FE here
2024-02-26 18:18:52 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> the only working aarch64 live composes are from osbuild right now
2024-02-26 18:19:06 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> and that has (or had, didnt check for some time) its own issues
2024-02-26 18:21:45 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-02-26 18:22:06 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I have no idea here, so am I copying Kamil Páral , +1 FE
2024-02-26 18:22:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> hey, I was just copying Frantisek!
2024-02-26 18:22:36 <@pboy:fedora.im> same to me
2024-02-26 18:24:58 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2265238 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "breaks composing of non-blocking aarch64 live images. The working composes come from the osbuild, and we'd deem fit to have a working comparison for this new tooling".
2024-02-26 18:25:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:25:17 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:25:31 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:26:44 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2265238 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "breaks composing of non-blocking aarch64 live images. The working composes come from the osbuild, and we'd deem fit to have a working comparison for this new tooling".
2024-02-26 18:26:51 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2265210) Firefox does not show in GNOME Software anymore
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2265210
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1472
!info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, firefox, MODIFIED
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+asciiwolf, +nielsenb)
2024-02-26 18:29:12 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1 FE, poor firefox not being in gnome software, ehm, it seems like a low-risk fix
2024-02-26 18:29:16 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-02-26 18:29:29 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1FE
2024-02-26 18:29:33 <@kparal:matrix.org> this might actually be proposed as a final blocker: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria#Installing,_removing_and_updating_software
2024-02-26 18:29:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> "List locally-installed software coming from the official Fedora repositories"
2024-02-26 18:29:55 <@kparal:matrix.org> but, that criterion was really created for this case
2024-02-26 18:30:25 <@kparal:matrix.org> it seems it will be fixed before we need to discuss it, fortunately
2024-02-26 18:30:47 <@kparal:matrix.org> but, that criterion wasn't really created for this case
2024-02-26 18:32:08 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2265210 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "is an easy and low-risk fix for something that may fit final blocking criterions. There is no harm in fixing it earlier in the beta stage.".
2024-02-26 18:32:39 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:32:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:32:43 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:33:57 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2265210 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "is an easy and low-risk fix for something that may fit final blocking criterions. There is no harm in fixing it earlier in the beta stage.".
2024-02-26 18:34:06 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2264930) Cannot access GNOME because of wrong layout (US) in GDM (PASSWORD with wrong layout)
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2264930
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1470
!info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-shell, NEW
!info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+3,0,-0) (+lruzicka, +asciiwolf, +nielsenb)
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2024-02-26 18:35:18 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd say +1 FE here
2024-02-26 18:35:29 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> it probably, again, would be accepted as final
2024-02-26 18:36:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> František Zatloukal: I just noticed that you post all the lines together, as multiline. The meeting minutes will be completely broken, unfortunately. The bot can only handle commands on individual lines, not multiline.
2024-02-26 18:36:25 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> meh, thanks, too late for fixing it now
2024-02-26 18:36:41 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> zodbot: bad bot
2024-02-26 18:37:00 <@kparal:matrix.org> I submitted an RFE, but no response yet
2024-02-26 18:37:20 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE for sure
2024-02-26 18:37:29 <@kparal:matrix.org> do we want to vote on final blocker as well?
2024-02-26 18:37:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I am planning to skip that section for today
2024-02-26 18:37:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> ok
2024-02-26 18:38:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> why wouldn't this be a Beta blocker?
2024-02-26 18:38:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this seems pretty broken
2024-02-26 18:38:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> Is #2265422 an issue to discuss here? It is a spin off form  2247872, probably not a blocker, but a FE? 
2024-02-26 18:39:48 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> Conan Kudo:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria#Keyboard_layout_configuration is a final criterion
2024-02-26 18:43:58 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> any more votes for fe?
2024-02-26 18:44:16 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-02-26 18:44:23 <@pboy:fedora.im> +1 FE
2024-02-26 18:44:28 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am totally affected by this one
2024-02-26 18:45:20 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2264930 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "is a probable final blocker, it affects user-experience in a significant way, and can't be fully addressed by an update"
2024-02-26 18:45:50 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:46:38 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, from a quick look, feel free to propose it as a FE
2024-02-26 18:46:50 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:47:18 <@pboy:fedora.im> František Zatloukal: yes I do
2024-02-26 18:50:35 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ackitty ackitty acks :) ?
2024-02-26 18:51:05 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:51:14 <@pboy:fedora.im> Oj I already did, sorry
2024-02-26 18:51:24 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> 😁😁
2024-02-26 18:51:51 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:52:02 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2264930 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it "is a probable final blocker, it affects user-experience in a significant way, and can't be fully addressed by an update".
2024-02-26 18:52:10 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2266081) Consider LLVM 18 pull in during Beta Freeze
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2266081
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1478
!info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, llvm, NEW

2024-02-26 18:52:19 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> this is mine, after chatting with llvm guys
2024-02-26 18:52:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd say punt here, and let's see when the builds are ready, I'd rather not pull them late in the freeze
2024-02-26 18:52:55 <@kparal:matrix.org> this is the first thing that occurred to me - is this another one of frantisek-bugs?
2024-02-26 18:53:02 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yep
2024-02-26 18:53:09 <@kparal:matrix.org> punt sounds fine
2024-02-26 18:53:31 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 punťa
2024-02-26 18:55:01 <@pboy:fedora.im> It's quite critical, so +1 punt seems so be best at the moment.
2024-02-26 18:55:16 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2264930 - punt (delay the decision)(BetaFE) - the decision was delayed, let's see when the builds are ready and decide how far are we in the freeze by that point.
2024-02-26 18:55:23 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> uff
2024-02-26 18:55:27 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:55:28 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> #undo
2024-02-26 18:55:48 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2266081 - punt (delay the decision)(BetaFE) - the decision was delayed, let's see when the builds are ready and decide how far are we in the freeze by that point.
2024-02-26 18:55:53 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> the bugid was bad
2024-02-26 18:55:57 <@pboy:fedora.im> ?? !undo  ?
2024-02-26 18:56:09 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> maybe not necesary for propose
2024-02-26 18:56:26 <@coremodule:fedora.im> Well. I'm here. Totally spaced it being on Matrix. I can handle the secretary duty if someone else hasn't gotten it already.
2024-02-26 18:56:29 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd say only messages starting with ! have an effect
2024-02-26 18:57:01 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'd love if you can do that, the minutes will probably be borked, but I can send you overview of secretary actions to do off-meeting
2024-02-26 18:57:32 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ...oh no... I take back the bit about being willing to be secretary for the meeting. 😂
2024-02-26 18:57:41 <@coremodule:fedora.im> Just kidding, sounds great.
2024-02-26 18:58:09 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> so, acks for the corrected proposal pretty please ?
2024-02-26 18:58:21 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:58:31 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 18:59:28 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 18:59:39 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2266081 - punt (delay the decision)(BetaFE) - the decision was delayed, let's see when the builds are ready and decide how far are we in the freeze by that point.
2024-02-26 18:59:54 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic (2264306) mesa-24.0.1 is available
!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2264306
!link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1475
!info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, mesa, NEW
!info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-1) (+asciiwolf, -nielsenb)
2024-02-26 19:01:01 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> here, you know me, I am all for FEs... on the other hand, it isn't necessary (we can re-evaluate if there are important fixes, or, we would get that anyway if the LLVM 18 is accepted , as it would include mesa rebuilt)
2024-02-26 19:01:09 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> so -1 FE
2024-02-26 19:01:43 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> -1 fe
2024-02-26 19:02:13 <@pboy:fedora.im> You think all thar 24.0.1 could be provided as updates? 
2024-02-26 19:02:40 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, I skimmed over the changelog, it doesn't seem that necessary for the beta live usage
2024-02-26 19:03:03 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2024-February/226151.html
2024-02-26 19:06:27 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yeah, it's a lot and generates some risk. Increases the probability of new issues.  -1 fe
2024-02-26 19:06:53 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2264306 - RejectedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected as it "doesn't seem to bring in any super-critical fixes needed for the live media usage, and can be re-evaluated if such need arises at a later point".
2024-02-26 19:07:32 <@pboy:fedora.im> ack
2024-02-26 19:08:13 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 19:10:43 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> one more final ack for today ?
2024-02-26 19:10:50 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-02-26 19:10:56 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> kamil wins the prize!
2024-02-26 19:10:57 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !agreed 2264306 - RejectedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected as it "doesn't seem to bring in any super-critical fixes needed for the live media usage, and can be re-evaluated if such need arises".
2024-02-26 19:11:22 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !info we will skip the proposed Final blockers as the meeting is over its time limit
2024-02-26 19:11:32 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-02-26 19:11:41 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> thanks everyone for coming in here today!
2024-02-26 19:11:53 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> You are welcome.
2024-02-26 19:12:04 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Now, I must rush away. See you later.
2024-02-26 19:12:17 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> coremodule: the notes have arrived to you as of now on Slack
2024-02-26 19:12:17 <@pboy:fedora.im> Bye bye
2024-02-26 19:13:02 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> anyone has anything? closing in 60 otherwise
2024-02-26 19:13:16 <@coremodule:fedora.im> thanks Frantisek
2024-02-26 19:13:27 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> thanks for helping!!
2024-02-26 19:14:38 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> okey dokey, see ya all next week, next time with proper Adam instead of this Adam from wish... 😎
2024-02-26 19:14:40 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !endmeeting