2024-03-25 16:00:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F40-blocker-review
2024-03-25 16:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-25 16:00:36 UTC
2024-03-25 16:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F40-blocker-review'
2024-03-25 16:00:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-03-25 16:00:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around for blocker fun?
2024-03-25 16:01:06 <@coremodule:fedora.im> .hi
2024-03-25 16:01:33 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !hello
2024-03-25 16:01:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
2024-03-25 16:01:44 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-25 16:01:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2024-03-25 16:02:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi, fun lovers
2024-03-25 16:02:42 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-25 16:02:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2024-03-25 16:03:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> wow, i guess everyone else just doesn't want any fun, huh
2024-03-25 16:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> still, we only have three bugs to discuss and they have several in-ticket votes already, so we should be good
2024-03-25 16:04:20 <@coremodule:fedora.im> yeah, actually, I rescind my hello
2024-03-25 16:04:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> they dont know what theyre missing :)
2024-03-25 16:04:28 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !goodbye
2024-03-25 16:04:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> coremodule: i'm afraid this meeting works on the Hotel California principle
2024-03-25 16:04:50 <@coremodule:fedora.im> plz no
2024-03-25 16:04:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> fun is mandatory
2024-03-25 16:05:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alllrighty, impending boilerplate alert. what's more fun than boilerplate?!
2024-03-25 16:05:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2024-03-25 16:05:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2024-03-25 16:05:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2024-03-25 16:05:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2024-03-25 16:05:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2024-03-25 16:05:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2024-03-25 16:05:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2024-03-25 16:05:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2024-03-25 16:05:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2024-03-25 16:05:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria
2024-03-25 16:06:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria
2024-03-25 16:06:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final, we have:
2024-03-25 16:06:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Proposed Blockers
2024-03-25 16:06:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Accepted Blockers
2024-03-25 16:06:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers
2024-03-25 16:06:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2024-03-25 16:06:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2024-03-25 16:07:10 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-25 16:07:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> František Zatloukal (frantisekz)
2024-03-25 16:07:37 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I can handle the secretary stuff, but it'd be in a few hours after the meeting 
2024-03-25 16:08:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess i'll just do it, since it's only three bugs
2024-03-25 16:08:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info adamw will secretarialize
2024-03-25 16:08:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's get rolling
2024-03-25 16:08:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2024-03-25 16:08:49 <@coremodule:fedora.im> oh sorry adamw, I was out of the office, I can do the three bugs, happily
2024-03-25 16:08:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's fine, i've got it
2024-03-25 16:08:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2270178) Monitor via Thunderbolt doesn't light up
2024-03-25 16:09:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2270178
2024-03-25 16:09:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1531
2024-03-25 16:09:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW
2024-03-25 16:09:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-2) (-nielsenb, -geraldosimiao)
2024-03-25 16:09:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao)
2024-03-25 16:10:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so far this feels a bit too hardware-specific to me
2024-03-25 16:10:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's clearly a bug here, but is it one we should block release for? mm
2024-03-25 16:11:00 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> hmm, I feel like -1 Final Blocker, you need to boot with the monitor connected for issue to occur, if I get it correctly 
2024-03-25 16:11:22 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> if it works fine with hot plug, seems more like a common issue? 
2024-03-25 16:11:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no
2024-03-25 16:11:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> at least hot plugging the *dock* reproduces it
2024-03-25 16:11:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> which is the usual way of using a dock
2024-03-25 16:11:56 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> mhm
2024-03-25 16:12:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but i'm still kinda -1 blocker. selfishly, because it doesn't affect my dock and my monitor. :P
2024-03-25 16:12:58 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> 😁😁😁

honestly, i have f39 on my primary laptop, but I didn't see this issue while validation testing on slimbook
2024-03-25 16:13:06 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I'll stay with -1
2024-03-25 16:13:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I remain -1, feels too hardware specific
2024-03-25 16:14:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok
2024-03-25 16:14:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> do we want to +1 FE?
2024-03-25 16:14:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think that'd be reasonable if the fix isn't too scary, you can certainly encounter this on live boot / first boot after install
2024-03-25 16:14:49 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> we can wait / punt fe decision 
2024-03-25 16:15:01 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> depending on the fix looks
2024-03-25 16:15:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I have some trepidation because I don't think it's even clear where the fix will be
2024-03-25 16:15:34 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Kernel "probably" I guess?
2024-03-25 16:15:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> true
2024-03-25 16:17:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2270178 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected on the grounds that it appears to be fairly specific in impact. There's clearly a bug here, but equally clearly it's not affecting even every similar 'external Thunderbolt display' configuration. So it's hard to argue that it violates any criteria sufficiently to be a blocker. We reserve judgment on FE status till it's clearer how dangerous the fix may be
2024-03-25 16:17:16 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:17:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:18:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> coremodule: Aoife Moloney ahoy, you don't look like you're having the mandatory minimum levels of fun
2024-03-25 16:19:15 <@coremodule:fedora.im> fack
2024-03-25 16:19:18 <@coremodule:fedora.im> as in fun ack
2024-03-25 16:19:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2270178 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - this is rejected on the grounds that it appears to be fairly specific in impact. There's clearly a bug here, but equally clearly it's not affecting even every similar 'external Thunderbolt display' configuration. So it's hard to argue that it violates any criteria sufficiently to be a blocker. We reserve judgment on FE status till it's clearer how dangerous the fix may be
2024-03-25 16:19:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2270209) Firmware RAID set not usable in anaconda when booting native UEFI: "ERROR:blivet:failed to determine name for the md array a7ff7f19-f142-4329-6b52-1dbafa835906"
2024-03-25 16:19:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2270209
2024-03-25 16:19:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1533
2024-03-25 16:19:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, python-blivet, ASSIGNED
2024-03-25 16:19:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb)
2024-03-25 16:19:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao, +ngompa)
2024-03-25 16:20:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so this felt like i kinda had to at least propose it as a blocker, but i'm not sure where my vote is. for a start it'd be good to know how specific it is to my test system
2024-03-25 16:20:55 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> i believe we (as Brno qe folks) did some raid testing without an issue 
2024-03-25 16:21:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> did you boot UEFI, though?
2024-03-25 16:21:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i only saw this because I happened to boot my test system UEFI (which i'm more likely to do now it's no longer affected by https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/ask/common-issues/82/none )
2024-03-25 16:21:32 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> i am not sure here, i didn't do the testing 
2024-03-25 16:22:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i only saw this because I happened to boot my test system UEFI (which i'm more likely to do now it's no longer affected by https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2113005 )
2024-03-25 16:22:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, would be good to try that
2024-03-25 16:22:30 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> lruzicka: did you do bios or efi? 
2024-03-25 16:23:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm probably 0 until we know more, either from blivet end or through wider testing
2024-03-25 16:24:03 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, sound alrighty
2024-03-25 16:24:13 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> 0/punt FB
2024-03-25 16:24:39 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm okay with a punt
2024-03-25 16:24:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> If you made me vote today, I'm still -1
2024-03-25 16:26:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2270209 - punt (delay decision) - it's hard to make a call on this without knowing how hardware-specific it is. We will delay the decision and hope to get more information either from testing on other systems or from diagnosis from the blivet end
2024-03-25 16:26:21 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:26:25 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:26:58 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:28:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2270209 - punt (delay decision) - it's hard to make a call on this without knowing how hardware-specific it is. We will delay the decision and hope to get more information either from testing on other systems or from diagnosis from the blivet end
2024-03-25 16:28:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2269343) After update wireplumber to 0.4.90+ only headset mic is working when I connect bluetooth headset
2024-03-25 16:28:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2269343
2024-03-25 16:28:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1518
2024-03-25 16:28:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, wireplumber, NEW
2024-03-25 16:28:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+0,0,-2) (-geraldosimiao, -nielsenb)
2024-03-25 16:28:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, feels kinda -1 to me. it sucks that your bluetooth headset doesn't work, it's not serious enough to delay a release for
2024-03-25 16:29:34 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> _My_ bluetooth headset works, so I'm not blocking
2024-03-25 16:29:46 <@coremodule:fedora.im> I agree with this, can't find an applicable criterion to block on.
2024-03-25 16:29:48 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> At least my crappy one, haven't tried with a halfway decent one
2024-03-25 16:29:48 <@coremodule:fedora.im> -1 blocker.
2024-03-25 16:30:22 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2024-03-25 16:30:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm, seems to be more diagnosis going on upstream
2024-03-25 16:30:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhoo
2024-03-25 16:30:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hah, and my old buddy fcrozat is on the upstream bug. i love randomly running into people on git forges
2024-03-25 16:31:24 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, -1
2024-03-25 16:31:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2269343 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - while this is an unfortunate bug, it doesn't seem to violate any of the release criteria. The closest relevant criterion is "The installed system must be able to record audio using the default web browser (if applicable) and gstreamer-based applications", but this is way too specialized a violation of that to really block the release on
2024-03-25 16:32:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:32:05 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:32:08 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:32:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm, that's an awkward text
2024-03-25 16:32:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let me reword that
2024-03-25 16:32:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> You found an upstream bug?
2024-03-25 16:32:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2269343 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - the closest relevant criterion is "The installed system must be able to record audio using the default web browser (if applicable) and gstreamer-based applications", but this is way too specialized a violation of that to really block the release on
2024-03-25 16:32:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there, we can just drop that first-draft sentence. :D
2024-03-25 16:32:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: sure, it's linked in the bug report
2024-03-25 16:32:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/issues/598
2024-03-25 16:32:51 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> still ack
2024-03-25 16:32:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> seems liek https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/merge_requests/620 claims to fix it
2024-03-25 16:33:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:33:40 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm missing it...
2024-03-25 16:33:43 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ack
2024-03-25 16:33:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: there's a "links" section above the comments
2024-03-25 16:34:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2269343 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - the closest relevant criterion is "The installed system must be able to record audio using the default web browser (if applicable) and gstreamer-based applications", but this is way too specialized a violation of that to really block the release on
2024-03-25 16:34:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aaaand...I believe that's all!
2024-03-25 16:34:15 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Oh, there's a specific "links" section now
2024-03-25 16:34:21 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Neat, I guess...
2024-03-25 16:34:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's been there for years
2024-03-25 16:34:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (though the status sync has never entirely worked)
2024-03-25 16:34:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-03-25 16:34:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the accepted blockers are being worked on, I guess
2024-03-25 16:35:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business?
2024-03-25 16:36:05 <@amoloney:fedora.im> none from me
2024-03-25 16:36:21 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Nothing here
2024-03-25 16:36:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alllllrighty, I guess we're all done here
2024-03-25 16:36:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for coming out, folks
2024-03-25 16:37:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting