2024-04-08 16:00:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F40-blocker-review
2024-04-08 16:00:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-04-08 16:00:03 UTC
2024-04-08 16:00:04 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F40-blocker-review'
2024-04-08 16:00:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-04-08 16:00:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahoyhoy folks, who's around for blocker review fun?
2024-04-08 16:00:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-08 16:00:46 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Aloha
2024-04-08 16:00:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2024-04-08 16:00:55 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-08 16:00:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> František Zatloukal (frantisekz)
2024-04-08 16:02:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi
2024-04-08 16:02:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-08 16:02:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing
2024-04-08 16:02:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-04-08 16:02:47 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-08 16:02:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Marc Deop (marcdeop)
2024-04-08 16:02:53 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-08 16:02:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his
2024-04-08 16:03:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi rocky!
2024-04-08 16:03:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for this meeting, votes of 'woof' will be accepted
2024-04-08 16:03:49 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Rocky Linux?
2024-04-08 16:03:57 <@1vx:matrix.org> Hi, I wanna start contributing to cloud SIG but I am aimless with what blocker is and all so I will just try to read and make sense if thats fine
2024-04-08 16:04:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> crypto: sure, welcome. there will be a big spam of boilerplate messages in a minute which includes a link to an explanation of what we're doing
2024-04-08 16:04:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so hey, let's do that now
2024-04-08 16:04:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2024-04-08 16:04:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2024-04-08 16:04:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2024-04-08 16:04:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2024-04-08 16:04:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2024-04-08 16:04:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2024-04-08 16:05:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2024-04-08 16:05:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2024-04-08 16:05:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2024-04-08 16:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Beta_Release_Criteria
2024-04-08 16:05:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria
2024-04-08 16:05:19 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-08 16:05:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2024-04-08 16:05:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Fedora 40 Final, we have:
2024-04-08 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 4 Proposed Blockers
2024-04-08 16:05:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Blockers
2024-04-08 16:05:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Accepted Previous Release Blockers
2024-04-08 16:05:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2024-04-08 16:05:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 7 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2024-04-08 16:05:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's start with:
2024-04-08 16:05:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2024-04-08 16:05:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi aoife!
2024-04-08 16:05:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2273497) snapshot crashes on launch or after taking a picture, console error "thread 'main' has overflowed its stack", backtrace is 4000+ frames and inc "Cannot access memory at address 0xffffffffffffffff" (Logitech C920 camera)
2024-04-08 16:06:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2273497
2024-04-08 16:06:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1560
2024-04-08 16:06:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, gtk4, NEW
2024-04-08 16:06:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+frantisekz, +geraldosimiao)
2024-04-08 16:06:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, so...at least two of us with this specific camera hit this specific crash. other folks have reported other issues. but some people say it works fine.
2024-04-08 16:06:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, seems a bit ropey.
2024-04-08 16:06:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Michael Catanzaro: any thoughts?
2024-04-08 16:07:04 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't have anything to test with at hand
2024-04-08 16:07:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> It runs here, but doesn't show any images... but at least it doesn't crash. ;)
2024-04-08 16:07:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik: what camera? does another app work?
2024-04-08 16:07:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> framework laptop... meeting apps/web works fine.
2024-04-08 16:08:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but I am trying the rawhide one. I can boot a f40 live sometime later to see there.
2024-04-08 16:08:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> has anyone tried cheese?
2024-04-08 16:08:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> 0bda:5634 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Laptop Camera
2024-04-08 16:09:09 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Both apps run on my today's setup.
2024-04-08 16:09:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i just tried cheese, it mostly works for me (i'm one of the ones snapshot crashes for)
2024-04-08 16:09:32 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> However, I could test on the Lenovo laptop also tomorrow.
2024-04-08 16:09:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> cheese works ok here.
2024-04-08 16:10:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we could do a last minute swap back to cheese i guess
2024-04-08 16:10:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> on the basis snapshot seems generally ropey. then we're tied to it for another year, though
2024-04-08 16:10:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> would be really good to have workstation wg input
2024-04-08 16:11:08 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Wouldn't it be another 6 month?
2024-04-08 16:11:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: lifecycle of 40.
2024-04-08 16:11:20 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Ah, sure
2024-04-08 16:11:21 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> why another year? there will be no Gnome update for 41?
2024-04-08 16:11:45 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Oh, this is what you mean.
2024-04-08 16:11:51 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I just tried too, cheese works (though the webcam flickers on and off for a bit before it shows an image), snapshot crashes when launched from terminal (webcam flickers on and off and then snapshot crashes)
2024-04-08 16:11:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> lruzicka: well, unless we want to have snapshot obsolete cheese in a stable release at that point, but that seems a bit risky? maybe.
2024-04-08 16:12:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: what cam?
2024-04-08 16:12:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> same crash as the bug?
2024-04-08 16:12:10 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> logitech HD92
2024-04-08 16:12:16 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> stack overflow 
2024-04-08 16:12:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, sounds like the same one...
2024-04-08 16:12:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> logitech HD920
2024-04-08 16:12:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess it affects multiple logitechs?
2024-04-08 16:12:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (made a typo, missing zero)
2024-04-08 16:12:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, same camera
2024-04-08 16:12:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess a lot of us bought that camera. :D
2024-04-08 16:13:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (it's the c920, there's no hd920)
2024-04-08 16:13:37 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> right. sorry :D two typos then.
2024-04-08 16:13:57 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> and from what I know, the "No camera found" issue when launching from the overview is a race condition between desktop portal and the app window being created (camera permission is denied for processes without an active window IIUC)
2024-04-08 16:14:14 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> and that's been an issue for me since GNOME 45
2024-04-08 16:15:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it doesn't seem to be affecting cheese
2024-04-08 16:15:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> just tried two launches of snapshot from overview, got 'no camera found' twice, tried cheese twice, worked both times
2024-04-08 16:15:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Cheese uses v4l2 directly IIRC
2024-04-08 16:15:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ah
2024-04-08 16:15:37 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> In that case, I feel it is more blockery than before.
2024-04-08 16:15:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so it shouldn't have this problem
2024-04-08 16:16:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> on the whole i'm kinda feeling like we should accept this based on Overall Bad Vibes
2024-04-08 16:16:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I've had this problem with the portal camera stuff for at least a year now on my GNOME laptop
2024-04-08 16:16:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and recommend revert to cheese
2024-04-08 16:16:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah snapshot has never been working good for me :( snapshot v45 only worked when launched from terminal but never from desktop launcher, and v46 is now not working for me at all :(
2024-04-08 16:16:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so i think i'm +woof^H^H^H^H^H +!
2024-04-08 16:16:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we just never really had anything that used that path by default so it wasn't important :/
2024-04-08 16:17:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so i think i'm +woof^H^H^H^H^H +1
2024-04-08 16:17:27 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> Woof is +1 blocker? 🤣
2024-04-08 16:17:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess a weak +1.... but we should figure something quickly, not drag our feet. ;)
2024-04-08 16:17:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Woof +1 FB
2024-04-08 16:17:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> woof will be considered equal to 1
2024-04-08 16:17:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +woof == +1
2024-04-08 16:17:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> -woof == -1
2024-04-08 16:17:54 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1
2024-04-08 16:17:55 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> What's the negative of 'woof' then? 😅
2024-04-08 16:18:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +woof
2024-04-08 16:18:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +woof then :)
2024-04-08 16:18:07 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> Ahhh got it
2024-04-08 16:18:08 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> foow
2024-04-08 16:18:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof
2024-04-08 16:18:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> haha
2024-04-08 16:18:26 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> +woof
2024-04-08 16:18:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> surely meow??
2024-04-08 16:18:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 🤣
2024-04-08 16:19:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> cats are evil, so yes I'll go with that
2024-04-08 16:19:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> looks like the portal issue is known upstream, there's multiple tickets open about it, some as old as a year :(
2024-04-08 16:19:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2024-04-08 16:20:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2273497 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted both because a crash on a widely-used camera model (we found three affected people easily) is bad enough to block on its own, and we found other issues in snapshot in testing (for nirik it doesn't crash but never shows anything, and many folks found it shows 'No Camera Found' when run from overview). we recommend that we revert to Cheese again for F40 final
2024-04-08 16:20:20 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> woofack
2024-04-08 16:20:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it'll need to get fixed once it starts breaking OBS Studio
2024-04-08 16:20:24 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 16:20:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed also, Conan Kudo is banned from Fedora immediately
2024-04-08 16:20:32 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 16:20:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> woof
2024-04-08 16:20:40 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 16:20:50 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ack (not sure if I still get a vote) :)
2024-04-08 16:20:50 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> meow for the second 😁
2024-04-08 16:20:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ooh
2024-04-08 16:20:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll take those as acks to both from right-thinking cat folks, so bye, conan ;)
2024-04-08 16:20:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oi!
2024-04-08 16:21:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oi oi oi
2024-04-08 16:21:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> matte
2024-04-08 16:21:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> welp
2024-04-08 16:21:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 🪦
2024-04-08 16:21:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2273497 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted both because a crash on a widely-used camera model (we found three affected people easily) is bad enough to block on its own, and we found other issues in snapshot in testing (for nirik it doesn't crash but never shows anything, and many folks found it shows 'No Camera Found' when run from overview). we recommend that we revert to Cheese again for F40 final
2024-04-08 16:22:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> wait, i'm getting something in my earpiece...well, my extremely kind and generous cats have said we should give conan a break, he's obviously just a poor misguided fool. so i guess welcome back
2024-04-08 16:22:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2274006) [Fedora KDE] Unable to Boot - no kernel-core installed thus no bootloader entry
2024-04-08 16:22:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2274006
2024-04-08 16:22:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1575
2024-04-08 16:22:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW
2024-04-08 16:23:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, obviously this would be Very Bad, but...I just ran two KDE installs of Beta and they were fine. other folks here have surely installed it too, right?
2024-04-08 16:23:43 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> yeah, can't reproduce this either
2024-04-08 16:23:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-40_Beta-1.10.iso and Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-40-20240408.n.0.iso
2024-04-08 16:24:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I haven't had this issue with the two fresh installs, but I know of other people that have complained of serious issues with installs and upgrades related to our kernel package
2024-04-08 16:24:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this cycle has had a bunch of complaints about files being installed in the wrong place, files not getting installed, files not getting generated, etc.
2024-04-08 16:24:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: we've found in composes that getting scriptlet errors on kernel-core usually actually means you ran out of disk space
2024-04-08 16:24:40 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> I cannot reproduce. I have only tried once though
2024-04-08 16:24:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so that can be a bit misleading
2024-04-08 16:24:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> hmm
2024-04-08 16:25:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i do recall something else from earlier in the cycle too but can't quite think what it is. someone on the list says dracut 060 breaks install of self-built kernels, too
2024-04-08 16:26:07 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I tried new installs on VM here today, tree times, both beta iso and last dev iso. all installed and booted correctly
2024-04-08 16:26:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's also a new report this morning about storage being broken with new dracut hostonly modules
2024-04-08 16:26:21 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I use 12GB of free virtio drive space
2024-04-08 16:26:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> err hostonly images
2024-04-08 16:27:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know this for certain for this case, but I know earlier in the cycle the initramfs images were being installed to the wrong place, which led to the systems not booting
2024-04-08 16:27:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and also the ESP filling up too :(
2024-04-08 16:28:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, the reporter just updated the report, he got a bootloader install error of some kind. we need to see what that was.
2024-04-08 16:28:28 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> could this happen if people had sdubby installed instead of grubby?
2024-04-08 16:28:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it shouldn't cause this.
2024-04-08 16:28:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> also, since he's installing from a live image, that shouldn't be possible.
2024-04-08 16:29:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yes
2024-04-08 16:29:15 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> shouldn't implies (tm) in sw... 😁
2024-04-08 16:29:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> heh
2024-04-08 16:29:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I saw this happen with the kiwi images last month
2024-04-08 16:29:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> had to do more "forcing it out" to fix it
2024-04-08 16:29:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but live images shouldn't have sdubby at all
2024-04-08 16:29:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i just checked the log of the latest f40 kde live, it definitely has grubby, not sdubby.
2024-04-08 16:30:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'd say either -woof or punt on this
2024-04-08 16:30:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I tend to say punt, we have one, incomplete, report
2024-04-08 16:31:10 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> yeah, I vote to punt this too 
punt +1
2024-04-08 16:31:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can ask the reporter for more details and specific logs if anyone knows what they should find
2024-04-08 16:31:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i asked for the logs
2024-04-08 16:31:23 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> punt sounds fine 
2024-04-08 16:31:27 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> for further investigation
2024-04-08 16:31:36 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> punt offle
2024-04-08 16:32:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2274006 - punt (delay decision) - we are waiting for further logs from the reporter to determine what happened to them here, it seems to have been a bootloader install failure. We need to know that to fully evaluate this
2024-04-08 16:32:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 16:32:23 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 16:32:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ack
2024-04-08 16:33:00 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> pack of woofs
2024-04-08 16:33:25 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> Ack
2024-04-08 16:33:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2274006 - punt (delay decision) - we are waiting for further logs from the reporter to determine what happened to them here, it seems to have been a bootloader install failure. We need to know that to fully evaluate this
2024-04-08 16:33:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2273737) [abrt] plasma-systemmonitor: QHashPrivate::iterator<QHashPrivate::Node<QModelIndex, QSortFilterProxyModelPrivate::Mapping*> >::node(): plasma-systemmonitor killed by SIGSEGV
2024-04-08 16:33:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2273737
2024-04-08 16:33:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1572
2024-04-08 16:33:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, plasma-systemmonitor, NEW
2024-04-08 16:33:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao)
2024-04-08 16:34:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FB
2024-04-08 16:34:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> This seems pretty clear-cut
2024-04-08 16:34:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> preinstalled apps shouldn't just crash like this
2024-04-08 16:35:16 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> With the amount of KDE preinstalled apps, this is a rather fierce one.
2024-04-08 16:35:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> :/
2024-04-08 16:35:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> It should be default, it has more apps
2024-04-08 16:36:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 🪦
2024-04-08 16:36:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the rule for KDE is not 'all preinstalled apps'
2024-04-08 16:36:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Regardless of whether KDE should be default or whether you like the coverage of default applications or not, the system monitor app should not be crashing
2024-04-08 16:36:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for KDE there's a list
2024-04-08 16:36:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 'all preinstalled apps' only applies to GNOME
2024-04-08 16:37:00 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Let's stay away from politics, please :D
2024-04-08 16:37:02 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I lean +1 on this one, system monitor is pretty key
2024-04-08 16:37:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_40_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_application_functionality
2024-04-08 16:37:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> system monitor is not on that list...
2024-04-08 16:38:10 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, based on that...
2024-04-08 16:38:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> And we also took that other system monitor one as a blocker, and I'm all about ideological consistency
2024-04-08 16:38:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> how?!
2024-04-08 16:38:16 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> well, I was thinking it belongs to system settings no?
2024-04-08 16:38:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: i'm thinking we probably shouldn't have.
2024-04-08 16:38:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> apparently _somehow_ the system monitor isn't on the list
2024-04-08 16:39:00 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Something, something, politics... :D
2024-04-08 16:39:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sorry, i didn't catch that in the voting on the other bug
2024-04-08 16:39:27 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> well, the first bug was really terrible, I just clicked on details sidebar and choose an app and it broked
2024-04-08 16:39:29 <@marcdeop:matrix.org> Woof if it's mandatory / -woof  if it's not
2024-04-08 16:39:42 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> this last one is more tricky
2024-04-08 16:39:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can at least FE it regardless
2024-04-08 16:39:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> is there a fix in hand? or still unknown?
2024-04-08 16:40:03 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> one must click there and stay choosing ohter apps
2024-04-08 16:40:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but the system monitor is a core plasma component :(
2024-04-08 16:40:12 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> one must click there and stay choosing other apps
2024-04-08 16:40:21 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> yeah
2024-04-08 16:40:26 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> that's true
2024-04-08 16:40:34 <@aleasto:matrix.org> unknown
2024-04-08 16:40:48 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> yeah, I was thinkign on this at least
2024-04-08 16:41:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, definitely +1 fe...
2024-04-08 16:41:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: the list was proposed to the kde mailing list at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/HNXF7WCYQ7RAKMNGCIOXCBXERBAK44TK/ , nobody suggested adding system monitor
2024-04-08 16:41:20 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> If you close the details sidebar, or don't choose another app, it don't crash
2024-04-08 16:41:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh this was before I took fully over this stuff 😅
2024-04-08 16:41:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if we really think it should be in the list, we can vote on the basis that we have consensus it should be added
2024-04-08 16:41:47 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> yeah, I was thinking on this at least
2024-04-08 16:42:00 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> We can still vote for this to be a blocker if we think that it should be blocking and update the list later?
2024-04-08 16:42:07 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I feel like it should be on the list
2024-04-08 16:42:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Me too.
2024-04-08 16:42:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if we make this a blocker, though, is it going to get fixed? today or tomorrow?
2024-04-08 16:42:41 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Botton line: If you stay at that sidebar clicking on different apps long enough system monitor will crash.
2024-04-08 16:42:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but definitely after this cycle I need to go over the list again and make sure we have everything lined up to match what we expect
2024-04-08 16:43:05 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> If you just check sometihng and close it, it doesnt crash
2024-04-08 16:43:23 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> If you just check something and close it, it doesnt crash
2024-04-08 16:43:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I thought we didn't like changing critera when we were trying to do a release? ;)
2024-04-08 16:43:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik: usually not, but we have done it when we think it's basically an obvious oversight
2024-04-08 16:43:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> like, it should've had this all along and we just missed it because we are fallible humans
2024-04-08 16:44:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we don't like introducing clearly innovative new requirements
2024-04-08 16:44:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not mid-cycle at least
2024-04-08 16:44:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> fair enough
2024-04-08 16:46:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: so, are we actually in a position to *fix* this?
2024-04-08 16:46:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> of course that shouldn't really influence the decision, but i still wanna know. :D
2024-04-08 16:47:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Well... good question
2024-04-08 16:48:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> It looks like redstrate was the last person to hack on it and has a bunch of merge requests in-flight: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-systemmonitor/-/merge_requests
2024-04-08 16:48:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so at least we can ask them to look at it once it's at blocker status
2024-04-08 16:49:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think they also use Fedora KDE too, so it should be easy for them to observe :)
2024-04-08 16:49:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we need to be doing the Final RC tomorrow
2024-04-08 16:49:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (at latest). to hit the first target date
2024-04-08 16:49:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do you really think we'll hit it?
2024-04-08 16:50:17 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I usally think on the second target...
2024-04-08 16:50:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, technically if we mark this blocker we can't do an rc until we have a fix... although I suppose we could fudge and assume we wave it or something.
2024-04-08 16:50:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this and the sddm thing would be the only unaddressed blockers
2024-04-08 16:50:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> swapping snapshot for cheese is trivial (i'm already sending a pr)
2024-04-08 16:50:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> let me ask them in the #kde:fedoraproject.org room
2024-04-08 16:51:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/953
2024-04-08 16:51:32 <@aleasto:matrix.org> it shouldn't be a bug in plasma-systemsettings, it crashes in qqc2-desktop-style
2024-04-08 16:51:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ahh
2024-04-08 16:52:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then this is definitely very sucky
2024-04-08 16:52:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that affects everything :o
2024-04-08 16:52:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> If I have learned anything, it could still be system-monitor using qqc2-desktop-style wrong somehow
2024-04-08 16:53:41 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Are there other apps with a similar side bar?
2024-04-08 16:53:51 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> this is the upstream ticket, right aleasto ? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479235
2024-04-08 16:54:06 <@aleasto:matrix.org> yes
2024-04-08 16:54:10 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ok
2024-04-08 16:57:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, we need to pick something here
2024-04-08 16:58:12 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> well, I already voted on the ticket
2024-04-08 16:58:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess if kde folks agree that this should always have been in the 'critical' app list i'm a +woof
2024-04-08 16:58:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> with the option to waive for being discovered late, i guess, if we can't find a fix
2024-04-08 16:58:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone want to argue for -woof ?
2024-04-08 16:58:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm fine with that
2024-04-08 16:58:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +woof
2024-04-08 16:59:12 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> 🤣
2024-04-08 16:59:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker +1
2024-04-08 16:59:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> With a heavy sigh
2024-04-08 17:00:11 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> FinalBlocker +1 sounds fine
2024-04-08 17:00:33 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1
2024-04-08 17:00:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2273737 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Final criterion "For all release-blocking desktop / arch combinations, the following applications must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test: ...". system monitor is not in the current list, but there is a strong consensus at the meeting (including KDE SIG folks) that this was an oversight in drafting the list and it should always have been there
2024-04-08 17:00:49 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> (just got to laptop, been parallel grocery shopping 😅 )
2024-04-08 17:00:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2273737 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Final criterion "For all release-blocking desktop / arch combinations, the following applications must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test: ...". system monitor is not in the current list, but there is a strong consensus at the meeting (including KDE SIG folks) that this was an oversight in drafting the list and it should always have been there. We will amend the list, and accept this bug in the meantime.
2024-04-08 17:01:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh hey, just realized, we never appointed a secretary...
2024-04-08 17:01:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone wanna do that or should I?
2024-04-08 17:01:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> woof ack
2024-04-08 17:01:17 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:01:19 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I can
2024-04-08 17:01:21 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 17:01:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, thanks franta
2024-04-08 17:01:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 17:01:34 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:01:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2273737 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of Final criterion "For all release-blocking desktop / arch combinations, the following applications must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test: ...". system monitor is not in the current list, but there is a strong consensus at the meeting (including KDE SIG folks) that this was an oversight in drafting the list and it should always have been there. We will amend the list, and accept this bug in the meantime
2024-04-08 17:02:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2273942) SDDM also displays users with disabled logins
2024-04-08 17:02:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2273942
2024-04-08 17:02:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1574
2024-04-08 17:02:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, sddm, NEW
2024-04-08 17:02:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao)
2024-04-08 17:02:24 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I don't think we should block on this one, FE sounds just fine
2024-04-08 17:02:36 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> it's fixable with an update post-GA
2024-04-08 17:02:57 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> users would probably not start with adding hidden users after installation
2024-04-08 17:03:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-04-08 17:03:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, it does seem a bit niche and reasonably fixable post-install
2024-04-08 17:03:57 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> On the SDDM ticket, they suggested adding users with the `--system` switch that would make them below 1000 and not be shown. One could also make the settings manually. So this could well be Common Bugs, too, as there is a clear workaround.
2024-04-08 17:04:17 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> so, to formalize my message, -1 FB, +1 FE
2024-04-08 17:04:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think it does make sense for upstream to default to `false` and `nologin` users to be hidden by default
2024-04-08 17:04:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm fine with granting an FE in case we *do* want to change any code here
2024-04-08 17:04:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> -1 FB, +1 FE
2024-04-08 17:04:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if not, having an FE doesn't hurt
2024-04-08 17:04:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but we don't have any of those out of the box
2024-04-08 17:05:07 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> totally true
2024-04-08 17:05:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE +1
2024-04-08 17:05:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2024-04-08 17:05:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> -1 FB
2024-04-08 17:05:26 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> -1 FB
+1 FE
2024-04-08 17:06:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> -1 FB, +1 FE
2024-04-08 17:08:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2273942 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected as a blocker; it's arguably a conditional criterion violation, but only with a fairly unusual condition (manually-created user account with UID >1000 and no login shell). We do grant it an FE, though; if we do want to change the default list of shells that cause a user to be hidden it seems reasonable to do that for release
2024-04-08 17:08:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (honestly that FE reasoning feels a little weak, almost makes me want to be -1 fe, but ehhh)
2024-04-08 17:08:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 17:08:34 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 17:08:49 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:09:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:09:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2273942 - RejectedBlocker (Final) AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is rejected as a blocker; it's arguably a conditional criterion violation, but only with a fairly unusual condition (manually-created user account with UID >1000 and no login shell). We do grant it an FE, though; if we do want to change the default list of shells that cause a user to be hidden it seems reasonable to do that for release
2024-04-08 17:09:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, moving on to:
2024-04-08 17:10:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final freeze exceptions
2024-04-08 17:10:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2270397) container images built from unsigned packages
2024-04-08 17:10:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2270397
2024-04-08 17:10:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1573
2024-04-08 17:10:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, distribution, ASSIGNED
2024-04-08 17:10:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+ngompa)
2024-04-08 17:10:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think this actually *needs* an fe, does it, kevin?
2024-04-08 17:10:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it needs a infrastructure freeze break...
2024-04-08 17:11:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> right, but that's not the same thing
2024-04-08 17:11:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but it needs fixing... so tracking it with a fe or whatever is fine.
2024-04-08 17:11:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I sent a freeze break a while ago to the infra list.
2024-04-08 17:11:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well...putting it on the FE list means it's on the blockerbugs view which assumes it's tied to an f40 update and stuff
2024-04-08 17:12:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well I would like the koji packages in Fedora to have the patches
2024-04-08 17:12:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so that this doesn't happen again
2024-04-08 17:12:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1ed
2024-04-08 17:12:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: eh, sure, but we don't need to do that during freeze for f40.
2024-04-08 17:12:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the builders aren't gonna be updated till sometime after day 0.
2024-04-08 17:13:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> once again i'll hold the line that the blocker/fe lists are not general-purpose Important Bug Lists or todo lists. :D
2024-04-08 17:13:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's true, but we don't have them now anywhere in dist-git :(
2024-04-08 17:13:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I didn't even know they disappeared until I reviewed that bug and checked build logs
2024-04-08 17:13:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't like pushing infra specific patches into fedora/epel packages...
2024-04-08 17:14:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but this is a sidetrack to this meeing, IMHO.
2024-04-08 17:15:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> once I get enough +1's I'll fix it and we can look at how to track better infra builds after release.
2024-04-08 17:16:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> rgre
2024-04-08 17:16:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm -1 FE unless there's a demonstrated need for this to be changed in the f40 package during the f40 release freeze.
2024-04-08 17:16:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> do we have any kind of 'blocker, but not in a package' thing?
2024-04-08 17:17:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess thats something to ponder on after release too.
2024-04-08 17:17:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I think we need better tracking here
2024-04-08 17:18:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> (noted as part of the stuff 'n things to talk about after this release that have been cropping up during this cycle)
2024-04-08 17:18:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this might also kind of jive with some of the other in-flight things wrt cpe/infra/fesco
2024-04-08 17:18:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but a bit offtopic
2024-04-08 17:18:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik: sure, we can accept bugs as *blockers* that aren't to be fixed with a package update; it's more inconvenient but we do do it
2024-04-08 17:18:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it doesn't make sense for *freeze exception*, though, for me
2024-04-08 17:19:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, fair. This is an odd case... its important and I might try and make a case it's a blocker, but... lets just close this one and fix it elsewhere for now
2024-04-08 17:19:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the FE process solely exists to give updates an exception to the freeze, it doesn't really make sense to use it for anything else
2024-04-08 17:19:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right
2024-04-08 17:19:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you wanna propose it as a blocker, fire away
2024-04-08 17:19:53 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE -1
2024-04-08 17:19:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i +1ed the fbr, btw, so did neal, so you have two +1s
2024-04-08 17:20:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other votes here?
2024-04-08 17:21:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (I hope I count for those at this point...)
2024-04-08 17:21:12 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> +1 FinalFE
2024-04-08 17:21:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: my cats allow it
2024-04-08 17:21:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: can i ask why?
2024-04-08 17:22:11 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it's sysadmin-main / releng only, but review/comments are gatefully accepted by anyone. ;)
2024-04-08 17:22:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> (and that also might be something we adjust)
2024-04-08 17:22:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik: oh, i thought neal counted
2024-04-08 17:22:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess i've been social engineered :D
2024-04-08 17:23:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> neal definitely counts! (but not formally technically in this case)
2024-04-08 17:23:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, again, sidetracking.
2024-04-08 17:23:44 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 ffe, if still needed
2024-04-08 17:23:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> atm the vote is pretty much deadlocked so we'd have to punt this
2024-04-08 17:23:53 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> as I understood nirik needs this for the infra?
2024-04-08 17:23:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> somehow after 8 years of contributing to infra, I still don't count 😂
2024-04-08 17:24:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: we do not need an f40 fe to fix this
2024-04-08 17:24:14 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> oh ok
2024-04-08 17:24:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we are not going to push anything to f40 stable for this
2024-04-08 17:24:23 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> so is pointless?
2024-04-08 17:24:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> more or less
2024-04-08 17:24:33 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> meh
2024-04-08 17:24:39 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> so just punt
2024-04-08 17:24:47 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> 🤷‍♂️
2024-04-08 17:24:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we do not need to push anything to f40 stable to fix the f40 images, we need to do a new 'infra' build (which is a build on a special tag) for f39 and deploy it to the builders, none of that needs an f40 FE
2024-04-08 17:25:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can be -1 if it helps?
2024-04-08 17:25:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes, i am attempting to engineer a -woof outcome here
2024-04-08 17:25:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i can bribe people if it helps! i've got, uh, some usb sticks and random stickers
2024-04-08 17:25:25 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I don't get it
2024-04-08 17:25:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> foow
2024-04-08 17:25:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> -meow
2024-04-08 17:25:35 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Neal voted +1 at the ticket
2024-04-08 17:25:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> meow
2024-04-08 17:25:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right
2024-04-08 17:25:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> revised to meow
2024-04-08 17:26:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (ie -1)
2024-04-08 17:26:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: the bug needs fixing on the builders. they run f39. they don't run the 'official' koji build for f39 either, they run a special one that kevin (usually) builds. that's what we need to update. we don't need an F40 FE to do that.
2024-04-08 17:26:14 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> lruzicka +1 too
2024-04-08 17:26:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let me keep counting these votes till they come out the way i want them to
2024-04-08 17:26:48 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> so this request is out of place don't?
2024-04-08 17:27:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: basically that's what i'm arguing, yeah.
2024-04-08 17:28:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> atm we have +woof from lruzicka and possibly geraldo, -woof from me, nirik, conan
2024-04-08 17:28:46 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> so !fire someone
2024-04-08 17:28:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE -1
2024-04-08 17:28:49 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Again
2024-04-08 17:28:51 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> 😁
2024-04-08 17:28:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh sorry brandon
2024-04-08 17:29:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i didn't scroll up that far :D
2024-04-08 17:29:12 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I was easy to convince
2024-04-08 17:29:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ooh, yes, i could fire lruzicka
2024-04-08 17:29:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that seems reasonable
2024-04-08 17:29:35 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ok, changing here: 
FinalFE -1
2024-04-08 17:29:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, fine, lruzicka gets to keep his job
2024-04-08 17:29:57 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Thank you
2024-04-08 17:31:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2270397 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - this is clearly an important problem and we want to fix it, but an F40 Final freeze exception is no use in doing that, as the fix needs to be applied to the builders, which run Fedora 39. What we need is an infrastructure freeze break request, nirik has proposed one on the mailing list, we need releng/sysadmin-main members to vote on that at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XFJATU5DDOUDLF7DCBY6JG5CNLKQ4MAT/
2024-04-08 17:31:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i feel like an early 20th century Chicago election administrator over here :D
2024-04-08 17:31:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:32:01 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:32:01 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> on both affimations
2024-04-08 17:32:09 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-04-08 17:32:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-04-08 17:32:31 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> on both affirmations
2024-04-08 17:32:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2270397 - RejectedFreezeException (Final) - this is clearly an important problem and we want to fix it, but an F40 Final freeze exception is no use in doing that, as the fix needs to be applied to the builders, which run Fedora 39. What we need is an infrastructure freeze break request, nirik has proposed one on the mailing list, we need releng/sysadmin-main members to vote on that at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XFJATU5DDOUDLF7DCBY6JG5CNLKQ4MAT/
2024-04-08 17:32:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, that's all the proposals
2024-04-08 17:33:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-04-08 17:33:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info the one previously-accepted blocker is ON_QA already, the ones accepted during the meeting will need addressing by relevant teams (KDE and GNOME)
2024-04-08 17:33:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business?
2024-04-08 17:33:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> don't think so
2024-04-08 17:34:02 <@amoloney:fedora.im> what about this one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2242759
2024-04-08 17:34:07 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> all is fine here
2024-04-08 17:34:14 <@amoloney:fedora.im> was that discussed? apologies if I missed it
2024-04-08 17:35:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we didn't I don't think
2024-04-08 17:35:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I don't have anything new to say
2024-04-08 17:35:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not sure if there is anything new on it
2024-04-08 17:35:56 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> last comment on ticket is from 2024-03-24
2024-04-08 17:36:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, right, that. did you manage to get anyone to come up with a workable idea?
2024-04-08 17:36:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm kinda figuring in the end we'll waive it again if nobody does. the problem is basically understood...the problem is inventing a workable fix...
2024-04-08 17:36:57 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Im not entirely sure who to bother with it... :/
2024-04-08 17:37:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not sure we have anyone to bother about it.
2024-04-08 17:37:28 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I included it in the blocker report with a call out on it but I dont see any movement either
2024-04-08 17:37:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I know a few people who might have some ideas that I can ask, but there's basically no guarantee of anything.
2024-04-08 17:38:20 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I could try a standalone email though with some of the suggested workarounds/solutions to see if anyone engages
2024-04-08 17:38:22 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ('ll need to run afk for the rest, will finish the secretary duties in 60-90 minutes)
2024-04-08 17:39:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney: it can't hurt!
2024-04-08 17:39:46 <@amoloney:fedora.im> will do that so
2024-04-08 17:39:55 <@amoloney:fedora.im> ok thats all I had! 
2024-04-08 17:40:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we are still waiting for someone to come up with a bright idea to fix 2242759 (or implement one of the current potential bright ideas and show that it's workable). Aoife Moloney will try another email to poke that along
2024-04-08 17:40:44 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Ill go ahead and schedule the go/no-go too for thursday in the hope that the blockers are resolved by then 🤞😊
2024-04-08 17:41:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, worth a shot
2024-04-08 17:41:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks
2024-04-08 17:41:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone else got anything else?
2024-04-08 17:41:46 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> nope
2024-04-08 17:41:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I don't
2024-04-08 17:44:18 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I do not
2024-04-08 17:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, thanks for coming, folks
2024-04-08 17:44:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hopefully won't see you next week, but probably will :D
2024-04-08 17:44:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting