2024-09-30 16:00:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F41-blocker-review
2024-09-30 16:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-09-30 16:00:39 UTC
2024-09-30 16:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F41-blocker-review'
2024-09-30 16:00:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-09-30 16:00:43 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:00:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> František Zatloukal (frantisekz)
2024-09-30 16:00:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-09-30 16:00:49 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:00:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahoyhoy folks, who's around for blocker review fun
2024-09-30 16:00:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-09-30 16:00:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2024-09-30 16:00:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:00:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2024-09-30 16:01:04 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:01:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2024-09-30 16:01:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi 
2024-09-30 16:01:10 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:01:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-09-30 16:01:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz (derekenz)
2024-09-30 16:01:33 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> g'morning all. time to block some reviewers! or... something
2024-09-30 16:01:40 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hey, hey, hey, shall I go or stay?
2024-09-30 16:01:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: close enough
2024-09-30 16:02:39 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> !hi
2024-09-30 16:02:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his
2024-09-30 16:03:35 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> !hi
2024-09-30 16:03:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his
2024-09-30 16:03:40 <@jrelvas:fedora.im> heh, i was wondering why rawhide was moving slower than usual
2024-09-30 16:03:51 <@jrelvas:fedora.im> i completely forgot f41 was immminent
2024-09-30 16:04:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okey dokey, impending boilerplate alert
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_41_Beta_Release_Criteria
2024-09-30 16:04:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_41_Final_Release_Criteria
2024-09-30 16:04:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 1 Proposed Blockers
2024-09-30 16:04:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 3 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2024-09-30 16:04:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Accepted Blockers
2024-09-30 16:04:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for F41 Final, we have:
2024-09-30 16:04:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2024-09-30 16:04:59 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> o/
2024-09-30 16:05:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info František Zatloukal will secretarialize
2024-09-30 16:05:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks!
2024-09-30 16:05:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okey dokey, let's get started
2024-09-30 16:05:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic proposed Final blockers
2024-09-30 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2315638
2024-09-30 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1672
2024-09-30 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2315638) Fedora 41 aarch64 KDE disk image is oversize
2024-09-30 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, distribution, NEW
2024-09-30 16:05:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+3,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +geraldosimiao, +lruzicka)
2024-09-30 16:05:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, this one's actually an automatic, but never mind
2024-09-30 16:05:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1
2024-09-30 16:05:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah +1 FB since duh
2024-09-30 16:06:08 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1
2024-09-30 16:06:19 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1
2024-09-30 16:06:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2315638 - accepted as a clear violation of Beta criterion "The release-blocking images must meet current size requirements"
2024-09-30 16:06:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't love the idea of shrinking the image, but there might be enough slack space to get down to 16GiB
2024-09-30 16:06:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> you also have the option of just declaring a bigger target size, though this one is actually a kinda-sensible size
2024-09-30 16:06:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> people still have 16G USB sticks
2024-09-30 16:07:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah in this case I don't want to increase the size anymore
2024-09-30 16:07:21 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 FB
2024-09-30 16:07:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> also i did all that goddamn work on imagebuilder to make it handle this size target :P
2024-09-30 16:07:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> also, I think when we switch to kiwi next cycle, it'll shrink by 30~40% like all the other images did
2024-09-30 16:07:50 <@jrelvas:fedora.im> can confirm, my current fedora liveusb is on a 16gb stick
2024-09-30 16:08:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that would be nice
2024-09-30 16:08:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> keep in mind this is the disk image for SD cards, not live for USB sticks
2024-09-30 16:08:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's why I don't want to increase it... 16GB SD cards are the default with most SBCs IIRC
2024-09-30 16:09:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any acks/nacks/patches?
2024-09-30 16:09:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not sure where the size is controlled?
2024-09-30 16:09:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:09:29 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:09:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: the target size?
2024-09-30 16:09:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but ack
2024-09-30 16:09:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> adamw: image size
2024-09-30 16:10:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, lukas linked it in the report
2024-09-30 16:10:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/pungi-fedora/blob/f41/f/fedora.conf#_274
2024-09-30 16:10:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ah okay
2024-09-30 16:10:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> looks like it might just be a case of missing a config change we applied to other branches in fact
2024-09-30 16:10:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-09-30 16:10:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, no, that was workstation
2024-09-30 16:10:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> also I'm confused and worried here... why does workstation have "16GB"
2024-09-30 16:11:00 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Ack 
2024-09-30 16:11:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but anyway, change that to "16GB". but of course it'll only work if all the stuff on the image fits in 16GB
2024-09-30 16:11:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Firmware
2024-09-30 16:11:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: because that's 16-with-a-lot-of-zeroes
2024-09-30 16:11:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's plenty of room according to the BZ
2024-09-30 16:11:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i.e. the size of actual "16GB" USB sticks, usually, since they use power-of-ten
2024-09-30 16:11:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I see
2024-09-30 16:11:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll prepare a PR to pungi-fedora for f41 and rawhide
2024-09-30 16:12:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you do '16' you get 16 power-of-2 GB, which doesn't fit on a "16GB" SD card/USB stick
2024-09-30 16:12:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> when you put it like that, it's reasonable
2024-09-30 16:12:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> letting you specify power-of-ten was where i did a bunch of work last cycle
2024-09-30 16:12:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right
2024-09-30 16:12:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I remember the cursing fits :)
2024-09-30 16:12:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> just not the context
2024-09-30 16:12:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://github.com/clalancette/oz/pull/310
2024-09-30 16:13:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we might need a similar fix in kiwi...
2024-09-30 16:13:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2315638 - accepted as a clear violation of Beta criterion "The release-blocking images must meet current size requirements"
2024-09-30 16:13:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think we use power-of-two by default
2024-09-30 16:14:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, let's move on to:
2024-09-30 16:14:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final freeze exceptions
2024-09-30 16:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2315664) Update gnome-tour to 47.0 for F41
2024-09-30 16:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2315664
2024-09-30 16:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1673
2024-09-30 16:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gnome-tour, NEW
2024-09-30 16:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2024-09-30 16:15:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i mean sure, in theory. seems like there's plenty of time for it to make it before freeze, but hey
2024-09-30 16:15:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess i wouldn't want to merge this *late* in freeze
2024-09-30 16:15:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but would take it early
2024-09-30 16:15:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or at least you might want to file an issue asking for power-of-ten for kiwi
2024-09-30 16:15:57 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> hm, are there similar requests for loupe and snapshot 47.0?
2024-09-30 16:16:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> has any of the updates been submitted yet?
2024-09-30 16:16:36 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Loupe and snapshot can be updated later, people are only likely to see the tour on first boot
2024-09-30 16:16:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we still have a whole week before freeze
2024-09-30 16:17:19 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> still, I wouldn't want to push the 46.0 -> 47.0 update *after* GA 
2024-09-30 16:17:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-09-30 16:17:35 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> since none of the 47.alpha 47.beta or 47.rc builds for those were done 
2024-09-30 16:17:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it also kind of defeats the point when these are preloaded applications
2024-09-30 16:18:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> True
2024-09-30 16:18:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> when we talk about Workstation releases, we talk about the latest GNOME experience offered, and that's part of that
2024-09-30 16:18:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so if application updates are missing that should be there, we need to be on top of that somehow
2024-09-30 16:19:51 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I tried, but there's apparently zero interest in the Rust based apps from the side of the people doing the GNOME builds this cycle
2024-09-30 16:21:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ...
2024-09-30 16:21:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well that sounds kind of absurd
2024-09-30 16:21:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> they are part of the damn desktop
2024-09-30 16:22:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah. I asked multiple times what they'd need from the Rust side of things, and I didn't get a direct answer
2024-09-30 16:22:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> amigadave is the one doing the updates, which is the same as previous cycles...
2024-09-30 16:22:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> currently everything is stuck on GNOME 46 versions 
2024-09-30 16:22:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> what?!
2024-09-30 16:22:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> like all of them?
2024-09-30 16:22:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> currently everything (Rust based) is stuck on GNOME 46 versions 
2024-09-30 16:23:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: can you sort this out, as our desktop sig person?
2024-09-30 16:23:07 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> librsvg2 is stuck on the GNOME 45 version
2024-09-30 16:23:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> or i can go yell at people if you like
2024-09-30 16:23:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think we both need to
2024-09-30 16:23:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please file the yelling BZ
2024-09-30 16:23:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> please file the yelling ticket
2024-09-30 16:23:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then I can make it a problem for tomorrow's meeting
2024-09-30 16:24:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I knew we had fallen a bit behind, but I didn't realize we had fallen so much
2024-09-30 16:24:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> as far as I can tell I've prepared all blockers for snapshot, loupe, glycin, librsvg2 updates (5 package reviews + necessary package updates), with zero input from the GNOME builders
2024-09-30 16:24:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> :(
2024-09-30 16:24:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Thank you for your work, Fabio Valentini.
2024-09-30 16:24:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I appreciate it.
2024-09-30 16:25:07 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (in this case, mostly for my own benefit as a Workstation user)
2024-09-30 16:25:07 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini++
2024-09-30 16:25:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> frantisekz gave a cookie to decathorpe. They now have 107 cookies, 19 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-09-30 16:25:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> but getting ignored like that is not nice
2024-09-30 16:25:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, so anyway, +1 in principle for this as a thing encountered on first install
2024-09-30 16:25:35 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I mean, I had issues with getting mozjs128 reviewed, neal helped in the end
2024-09-30 16:25:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FinalBlocker
2024-09-30 16:25:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I will help wherever I can.
2024-09-30 16:25:57 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Fabio Valentini++ 
2024-09-30 16:26:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> lruzicka gave a cookie to decathorpe. They now have 108 cookies, 20 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-09-30 16:26:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ngompa has already given cookies to decathorpe during the F40 timeframe
2024-09-30 16:26:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> geraldosimiao gave a cookie to decathorpe. They now have 109 cookies, 21 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-09-30 16:26:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> looking forward to debugging snapshot portal permission issues :)
2024-09-30 16:26:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:26:55 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1 anyhow
2024-09-30 16:27:03 <@kparal:matrix.org> blocker or FE?
2024-09-30 16:27:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> both, but my personal opinion is blocker, though there's no criterion for it
2024-09-30 16:27:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:27:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we don't have a criterion that says "we have to match what we put in our marketing" afaik
2024-09-30 16:28:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/449
2024-09-30 16:28:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no, we don't
2024-09-30 16:29:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2315664 - AcceptedFreezeException - this is accepted as the tour is intended to be encountered on first boot after install, so it cannot effectively be updated post-release for installs from the Workstation live (the most common case)
2024-09-30 16:29:22 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:29:25 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am fine with having version 46 apps, if they work flawlessly.
2024-09-30 16:29:28 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:29:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:29:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:29:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:29:52 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ack
2024-09-30 16:32:15 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:33:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2315664 - AcceptedFreezeException - this is accepted as the tour is intended to be encountered on first boot after install, so it cannot effectively be updated post-release for installs from the Workstation live (the most common case)
2024-09-30 16:33:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> lruzicka: having outdated apps doesn't seem release-blocking to me, but it's surely not what we *want*...
2024-09-30 16:34:26 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> But what if the app was already doing a 100% of functionality, why would it be a problem to keep it as is?
2024-09-30 16:34:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, it gets to "what is an update to Gnome 47"?
2024-09-30 16:34:48 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The apps are the big user facing part of that
2024-09-30 16:34:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right
2024-09-30 16:35:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, i'm invoking the rarely-used-but-entirely justified rule No Existential Philosophy During Blocker Review Meetings
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2284097) mkdumprd fails when call from systemd service but not when manually invoked (composefs enabled)
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2284097
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1666
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kexec-tools, ASSIGNED
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao, +nielsenb)
2024-09-30 16:35:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2024-09-30 16:36:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm not really sure what the significance of this is tbh
2024-09-30 16:36:59 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> is that included in the default installation? I'd say +1 FE if that's the case I guess
2024-09-30 16:37:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it is because of container stuff
2024-09-30 16:38:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> iirc
2024-09-30 16:39:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:39:10 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 fe
2024-09-30 16:39:37 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, +1 :)
2024-09-30 16:40:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, sure
2024-09-30 16:40:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Mostly it seemed to me like it not working might make troubleshooting harder
2024-09-30 16:40:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> So it'd be nice to fix if possible?
2024-09-30 16:40:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2284097 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted because, as far as we can make out, it's an issue for FCOS that might not be fully addressable with a post-release update
2024-09-30 16:40:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if anyone has a better text i'm all ears. :P
2024-09-30 16:41:20 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack, who am I to doubt our lo... ehm, Adam
2024-09-30 16:41:31 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack, who am I to doubt our lo... ehm, Adam :)
2024-09-30 16:41:32 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:41:44 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Ack, good enough for gubmint work
2024-09-30 16:42:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2284097 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted because, as far as we can make out, it's an issue for FCOS that might not be fully addressable with a post-release update
2024-09-30 16:42:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, sssd, POST
2024-09-30 16:42:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1667
2024-09-30 16:42:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2308428
2024-09-30 16:42:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2308428) During upgrade of rpm-ostree based Fedora, sssd-2.10+ doesn't chown KCM/secrets.ldb to proper user
2024-09-30 16:42:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+geraldosimiao, +nielsenb)
2024-09-30 16:42:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:42:58 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:43:46 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> +1 FE
2024-09-30 16:44:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it looks like this causes problems for sssd and logrotate, so sure
2024-09-30 16:45:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2308428 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this can cause problems for atomic installs on rebase from 40 to 41, so if the fix doesn't make it before freeze, we should take it to avoid problems for users who rebase during the freeze
2024-09-30 16:46:02 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:46:03 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:46:05 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 16:46:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:46:11 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 16:46:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2308428 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this can cause problems for atomic installs on rebase from 40 to 41, so if the fix doesn't make it before freeze, we should take it to avoid problems for users who rebase during the freeze
2024-09-30 16:46:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, hello, a new proposed blocker showed up
2024-09-30 16:47:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic proposed Final blockers
2024-09-30 16:47:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info there's a new proposed blocker, so circling back
2024-09-30 16:47:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2315702
2024-09-30 16:47:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, plasma-workspace, NEW
2024-09-30 16:47:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2315702) Idle suspend fails, prompting user for admin password
2024-09-30 16:47:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1674
2024-09-30 16:47:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1 FB
2024-09-30 16:48:00 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Definitely feels blockery
2024-09-30 16:48:34 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> +1 FB
2024-09-30 16:48:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker +1
2024-09-30 16:50:52 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Yeah, I've just tracked this down a bit more and it looks like an unexpected interaction with systemd 256. I'm talking about it with the KDE maintainers.
2024-09-30 16:51:42 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, +1 FB
2024-09-30 16:52:19 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> +1 fb
2024-09-30 16:53:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, +1
2024-09-30 16:53:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, hmm
2024-09-30 16:53:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> +1 from me too
2024-09-30 16:54:00 <@kparal:matrix.org> do we have a criterion?
2024-09-30 16:54:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if i think about the 'would we block for this if it was discovered at the go/no-go meeting' test i might be -1
2024-09-30 16:54:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: stephen cited one in the report, the "default panel configuration" one
2024-09-30 16:54:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a bit of a stretch, but not the worst we ever did :P
2024-09-30 16:54:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> do you feel it's a good fit?
2024-09-30 16:54:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's a default power management issue
2024-09-30 16:54:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know why it doesn't affect GNOME too
2024-09-30 16:55:04 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> adamw: I might be willing to waive it if we discover it's too hard to fix, but that would be a waiver, not a lack of blocker status
2024-09-30 16:55:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or maybe it does and nobody submitted a report yet
2024-09-30 16:55:24 <@kparal:matrix.org> ok, if you think it's alright to use it, fine, +1
2024-09-30 16:55:45 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> We don't really have any specific hibernate / suspend criteria that I can find
2024-09-30 16:55:45 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> I think it's a significant issue.
2024-09-30 16:56:15 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Also, I picked that criterion because I'm certain I remember us using it on numerous equations to include power-management blockers
2024-09-30 16:56:16 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Though maybe we should since there was the change to enable it by default, apparently for regulatory reasons
2024-09-30 16:56:17 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Also, I picked that criterion because I'm certain I remember us using it on numerous occasions to include power-management blockers
2024-09-30 16:56:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-09-30 16:56:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Stephen Gallagher: I think this is probably a powerdevil issue, so I'll move it to that after we get the blocker bug sorted out
2024-09-30 16:59:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: it's intentional that we don't block on suspend/resume working
2024-09-30 17:00:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> though we could maybe have a 'it should be triggered properly' criterion that avoids blocking on the actual per-system hw implementation, eh
2024-09-30 17:00:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2024-09-30 17:00:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least the triggering part I would like to have a more direct criterion for since we have it specifically for our OEM engagements
2024-09-30 17:00:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> otherwise we wouldn't have these settings in the first place
2024-09-30 17:01:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> "if it works, it can't be annoying"
2024-09-30 17:02:16 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: You trying to fire me now?
2024-09-30 17:03:29 <@sgallagh:fedora.im> adamw: It passes the "last blocker" test for me out of sheer visibility and annoyance.
2024-09-30 17:03:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2315702 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use". It's a bit of a stretch but we think it's reasonable to read it in context as covering a significant user-visible element of default desktop configuration like this being broken in a highly visible and annoying way
2024-09-30 17:03:56 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I just want all nuisance prompts to go away
2024-09-30 17:04:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yup
2024-09-30 17:04:30 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 17:04:41 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2024-09-30 17:04:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 17:04:50 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 17:05:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2024-09-30 17:05:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2315702 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - this is accepted as a violation of "All elements of the default panel (or equivalent) configuration in all release-blocking desktops must function correctly in typical use". It's a bit of a stretch but we think it's reasonable to read it in context as covering a significant user-visible element of default desktop configuration like this being broken in a highly visible and annoying way
2024-09-30 17:06:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, moving on...
2024-09-30 17:06:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Accepted Final blockers
2024-09-30 17:06:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, anaconda, MODIFIED
2024-09-30 17:06:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1658
2024-09-30 17:06:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2311936) pyanaconda.modules.common.errors.storage.UnknownDeviceError: Volume0_0
2024-09-30 17:06:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2311936
2024-09-30 17:07:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info looks like the fix for this has just been submitted today
2024-09-30 17:07:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> lruzicka: you should be able to test this with https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/2915834/asset/iso/02915834-FEDORA-2024-50a6d0cce2-netinst-x86_64.iso if you grab it before it's garbage-collected
2024-09-30 17:08:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> can you do that and update the bug?
2024-09-30 17:09:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I might be able doing it using the PiKVM tomorrow. 
2024-09-30 17:09:53 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am downloading the iso now so that I have it ready when  it gets collected
2024-09-30 17:12:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup, sounds like the thing to do
2024-09-30 17:12:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action lruzicka to test and confirm the fix for this
2024-09-30 17:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, bcm283x-firmware, ASSIGNED
2024-09-30 17:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/1605
2024-09-30 17:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2282171) gsk: vulkan renderer causes gtk4 apps to crash on resize operations on Raspberry Pi 4 and 400
2024-09-30 17:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2282171
2024-09-30 17:13:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so... what _are_ we doing here?
2024-09-30 17:14:08 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> waiting for fix unfortunately - which I imagine will just make cma=256M the default behavior?
2024-09-30 17:14:49 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> but Peter had/has a lot of going on this month
2024-09-30 17:15:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup, still waiting on the fix :/
2024-09-30 17:15:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's still runway, i'll start getting concerned if we don't have anything next week i guess
2024-09-30 17:16:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we are still waiting for the CMA allocation fix from Peter here, not much we can do in the mean time
2024-09-30 17:16:18 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> yeah, we have two weeks before freeze
2024-09-30 17:19:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-09-30 17:19:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, that's everything, I think
2024-09-30 17:20:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2024-09-30 17:20:36 <@kparal:matrix.org> nothing here
2024-09-30 17:21:41 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Nope 
2024-09-30 17:21:57 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I do not think so
2024-09-30 17:23:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I got nuttin
2024-09-30 17:23:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, thanks for coming everyone!
2024-09-30 17:24:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting