2026-02-23 17:00:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F44-blocker-review
2026-02-23 17:00:32 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-02-23 17:00:32 UTC
2026-02-23 17:00:33 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F44-blocker-review'
2026-02-23 17:00:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2026-02-23 17:00:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi everyone, it's your favourite time of the week again
2026-02-23 17:01:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2026-02-23 17:01:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2026-02-23 17:01:40 <@kparal:matrix.org> !hi
2026-02-23 17:01:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
2026-02-23 17:01:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> tool time?
2026-02-23 17:01:58 <@jgroman:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-23 17:01:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jaroslav Groman (jgroman)
2026-02-23 17:01:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> is tim the tool man taylor here too?
2026-02-23 17:02:03 <@psklenar:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-23 17:02:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Petr Sklenar (psklenar)
2026-02-23 17:02:40 <@korora:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-23 17:02:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jocelyn Gould (korora) - she / her / hers
2026-02-23 17:03:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi
2026-02-23 17:03:32 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-23 17:03:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2026-02-23 17:03:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's get rolling with some wonderful boilerplate
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Final_Release_Criteria
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Beta_Release_Criteria
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2026-02-23 17:03:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2026-02-23 17:04:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (man i still owe infinity beers to whoever fixed matrix so I don't have to paste that one line at a time any more)
2026-02-23 17:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Beta, we have:
2026-02-23 17:04:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 4 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2026-02-23 17:04:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Proposed Blockers
2026-02-23 17:04:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 8 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2026-02-23 17:04:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 2 Accepted Blockers
2026-02-23 17:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info nothing to review for Final ATM
2026-02-23 17:05:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2026-02-23 17:06:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> welp, if nobody does, guess I will
2026-02-23 17:06:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info adamw will secretarialize
2026-02-23 17:07:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta blockers
2026-02-23 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2439813
2026-02-23 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2439813) KDE network installs hang during scriptlets (%triggerin on ibus)
2026-02-23 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW
2026-02-23 17:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2048
2026-02-23 17:08:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so...i'm not sure there's a criterion that covers this. we require package set selection to work in anaconda, but we specifically say in that criterion it doesn't mean the selected package set must actually work. and afaik the 'officially supported' way to deploy KDE is the live image
2026-02-23 17:08:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> still, it's a pretty bad bug (and it's a problem for openQA cos it means we can't re-generate the KDE base disk image)
2026-02-23 17:08:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> wait what?
2026-02-23 17:09:12 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> maybe it expects some DBus service that is not running to be there ?
2026-02-23 17:09:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm about to re-test this and see if kparal's dconf theory is right
2026-02-23 17:09:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'll try to do some of that on the fly
2026-02-23 17:09:43 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> sounds like some input method related thing & that is often run via DBus
2026-02-23 17:10:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> I filed this bug because two people already complained about it on quality channel
2026-02-23 17:10:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> so it's pretty much confirmed, I think
2026-02-23 17:10:58 <@kparal:matrix.org> in the end I waited 45 minutes I think and then killed it
2026-02-23 17:11:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yes, it's definitely consistent, i already reported it (this is my original report, i closed yours as a dupe) and openQA disk image generation has been stuck on it for weeks
2026-02-23 17:13:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> per the criteria i guess this is a bit fuzzy. the way it works is we have the "Initialization requirements" section that says "All release-blocking images must boot in their supported configurations", and then at various points we refer back to that, including in the installer requirements where we say "each of these requirements applies to all supported configurations described above", and then in the installed system requirements where we say "each of these requirements applies to all supported configurations described above"
2026-02-23 17:13:30 <@kparal:matrix.org> hmm, so are you saying we only block on dedicated install images now, and no longer on netinst?
2026-02-23 17:13:43 <@kparal:matrix.org> that's different from what I think I remember from the past
2026-02-23 17:13:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we still block on netinst
2026-02-23 17:13:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's why this is a problem
2026-02-23 17:13:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> in the installer requirements we say "When installing with the generic network install image, interactively selecting a package set other than the default must work", but a footnote says ""Work" means that the mechanism for selecting different package sets must work: the packages in the set chosen must actually be correctly selected for installation. This particular criterion does not cover any errors in the available package sets, though other criteria may"
2026-02-23 17:14:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> I would say it's ambiguous
2026-02-23 17:14:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> netinst is a blocking image
2026-02-23 17:14:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but i'd say we only *clearly* block on a default package install from netinst
2026-02-23 17:14:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that... seems like a strange carveout
2026-02-23 17:14:38 <@kparal:matrix.org> if we block on netinst but don't block on any package set that can be selected, then we effectively... don't block on it?
2026-02-23 17:14:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (and default install of workstation live, kde live, etc etc - default install of all the blocking images)
2026-02-23 17:14:47 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> BTW, I would expect this to also fail for dir installation if it really needs some service or DBus interface to be available to install a package
2026-02-23 17:15:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but on the other hand, how do we limit it if we block on other installs from netinst?
2026-02-23 17:15:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> you can install more or less *anything* from netinst
2026-02-23 17:15:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, I don't think that's a reasonable carve-out
2026-02-23 17:15:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> hmm
2026-02-23 17:15:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> clearly, we need to cover this better, anyway
2026-02-23 17:15:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we can condition on mapping to release-blocking environments
2026-02-23 17:15:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> in the wording, to express whatever it is we want to mean
2026-02-23 17:15:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> I assumed we block on release-blocking package sets
2026-02-23 17:15:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> e.g. Workstation, KDE, Server, Custom
2026-02-23 17:15:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think desktop team does not want to 'support' workstation install from netinst, though
2026-02-23 17:15:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes, exactly
2026-02-23 17:15:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> pretty sure they've said that in the past
2026-02-23 17:15:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> e.g. Workstation, KDE, Server, Custom/Minimal
2026-02-23 17:16:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> afaik all release blocking deliverables are mapped to environment groups, so I don't see why they _wouldn't_ be considered blocking
2026-02-23 17:16:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> btw, i have an install in the stuck state now, and `ps aux | grep dconf` doesn't show a running dconf update process...there's a dconf-service , but i think that's part of the installer env
2026-02-23 17:18:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aha, we're stuck in `/usr/bin/ibus write-cache --system` it looks like
2026-02-23 17:18:31 <@kparal:matrix.org> we have this explicit criterion: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Final_Release_Criteria#Minimal_install
2026-02-23 17:18:38 <@kparal:matrix.org> based on that, I think Adam is currently right
2026-02-23 17:20:02 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> at least I don't see anything ibus related being purged in https://github.com/weldr/lorax/blob/master/share/templates.d/99-generic/runtime-cleanup.tmpl :)
2026-02-23 17:20:36 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> also no dconf stuff
2026-02-23 17:20:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> added https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2439813#c3
2026-02-23 17:21:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposal: we punt on this and discuss on list / discourse
2026-02-23 17:21:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think it's too fuzzy to decide in a meeting
2026-02-23 17:22:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-23 17:22:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> ok
2026-02-23 17:26:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2439813 - punt (delay decision) - there's substantial sentiment that this ought to be blocking, but the current criteria don't clearly allow for that. whether the criteria should be adjusted to make this a blocker is a somewhat complex question we don't want to try and resolve live during a meeting, so we'll punt this to allow for more calm consideration of that
2026-02-23 17:26:25 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 17:26:28 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 17:28:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any more acks?
2026-02-23 17:28:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 17:28:54 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 17:30:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2439813 - punt (delay decision) - there's substantial sentiment that this ought to be blocking, but the current criteria don't clearly allow for that. whether the criteria should be adjusted to make this a blocker is a somewhat complex question we don't want to try and resolve live during a meeting, so we'll punt this to allow for more calm consideration of that
2026-02-23 17:31:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaBlocker (+2,0,-0) (+nielsenb, +psklenar)
2026-02-23 17:31:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, kernel, NEW
2026-02-23 17:31:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2047
2026-02-23 17:31:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441941
2026-02-23 17:31:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2441941) Graphics break when trying to type LUKS password
2026-02-23 17:31:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think we should block on this if it's only known to affect a single system so far
2026-02-23 17:31:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that
2026-02-23 17:31:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's much too high a bar to try and maintain
2026-02-23 17:32:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 2438442 seems different as we have reports across multiple systems
2026-02-23 17:32:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, hmm, i thought it had, but...looking closer...seems not so clear, maybe we shouldn't have waved that one through
2026-02-23 17:33:15 <@psklenar:fedora.im> both BZ#2441941 and BZ#2438442 identify a regression occurring between kernel versions 6.18 and 6.19. Debugging is currently difficult - Fedora QA does not have this specific hardware.
2026-02-23 17:33:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'd give this a week, and ask testers in test@ and in Discussion to post feedback, if they find an affected system
2026-02-23 17:34:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i think we should do a call for testing mentioning both bugs and asking folks to specify whether `i915.enable_psr=0` helps if they do have issues
2026-02-23 17:34:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that should clarify things a bit. and of course if someone can bisect it...
2026-02-23 17:34:59 <@kparal:matrix.org> we should also specify that they should test without any other monitor attached
2026-02-23 17:35:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (or at least just test past koji builds and get us the last good and first bad)
2026-02-23 17:35:15 <@psklenar:fedora.im> there is currently kernel test week, I added a note about that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-22_Kernel_6.19_Test_Week#known_bugs
2026-02-23 17:37:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> thanks. I fixed the formatting
2026-02-23 17:39:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2441941 - punt (delay decision) - so far this is only reported to affect one system. On a closer inspection, the similar-but-not-identical 2438442 which we previously accepted as a blocker has also only been reported to affect one model, so far. Blocking on bugs that affect only one laptop model is a bit of a high bar especially for Beta. we plan to issue a call for testing asking folks with Intel laptops to see if they hit either bug and then re-evaluate both bugs based on the responses
2026-02-23 17:39:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-23 17:40:07 <@korora:fedora.im> +1
2026-02-23 17:40:25 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 17:40:35 <@psklenar:fedora.im> +1
2026-02-23 17:41:12 <@psklenar:fedora.im> do anyone know who is kernel qa to ask them for a help? maybe they have more hw .. 
2026-02-23 17:41:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do we _have_ kernel qa?
2026-02-23 17:41:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as in specific people who do that
2026-02-23 17:41:48 <@psklenar:fedora.im> no idea :)
2026-02-23 17:41:54 <@kparal:matrix.org> fedora kernel team has only one person, which is justin forbes, afaik
2026-02-23 17:42:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2026-02-23 17:42:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there are no other fedora kernel people currently
2026-02-23 17:42:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, not officially anyway
2026-02-23 17:43:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i mean, rh probably has more folks we could ask, i have no idea who to poke after the last umpteen reorgs. i can see if brendan knows, or just pick some random list to mail
2026-02-23 17:46:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2441941 - punt (delay decision) - so far this is only reported to affect one system. On a closer inspection, the similar-but-not-identical 2438442 which we previously accepted as a blocker has also only been reported to affect one model, so far. Blocking on bugs that affect only one laptop model is a bit of a high bar especially for Beta. we plan to issue a call for testing asking folks with Intel laptops to see if they hit either bug and then re-evaluate both bugs based on the responses
2026-02-23 17:47:00 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Would a RISC-V SIG kernel person (Jason Montleon) count? :D
2026-02-23 17:47:56 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Yeah, as Adam said, we can check w/ the Red Hat kernel team.
2026-02-23 17:47:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not sure, actually
2026-02-23 17:48:07 <@kparal:matrix.org> we take anyone who's willing the invest the time and has enough skills 😉 
2026-02-23 17:48:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not sure, but maybe :)
2026-02-23 17:48:29 <@psklenar:fedora.im> I will write to one of the mailing list what I have just found
2026-02-23 17:50:04 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Petr Sklenar: For graphics stuff, Adam Jackson comes to mind.  He's a long-time "Linux Graphics Person"
2026-02-23 17:51:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: time for FEs?
2026-02-23 17:51:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes, sorry
2026-02-23 17:51:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> multitasking
2026-02-23 17:52:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> kashyapc we don't really need developers at this point, we need testers. once we have more information about what systems are affected and ideally what kernel build introduced the problem(s), we know how to contact developers.
2026-02-23 17:52:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Beta Freeze Exceptions
2026-02-23 17:52:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2434041
2026-02-23 17:52:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2044
2026-02-23 17:52:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, fish, ON_QA
2026-02-23 17:52:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2434041) fish: FTBFS in Fedora rawhide/f44
2026-02-23 17:52:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb)
2026-02-23 17:53:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we usually grant FEs for simple FTI, but not FTBFS alone...
2026-02-23 17:53:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo is this FTI or just FTBFS?
2026-02-23 17:56:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's just an FTBFS
2026-02-23 17:56:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm -1, in that case. no need for an FE.
2026-02-23 17:56:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think it's an FTI atm
2026-02-23 17:57:08 <@kparal:matrix.org> -1
2026-02-23 17:59:24 <@kparal:matrix.org> for newcomers: FTBFS = fails to build from source, FTI = fails to install
2026-02-23 17:59:35 <@psklenar:fedora.im> -1
2026-02-23 17:59:50 <@kparal:matrix.org> this can be installed (the previous version), just a new version can't be currently built
2026-02-23 18:00:46 <@kparal:matrix.org> the devs can fix this after Beta is released and freeze is liften (until then it can be in updates-testing only)
2026-02-23 18:01:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah that's fine for this one
2026-02-23 18:02:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2434041 - RejectedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected on the basis that the package is still installable, and there's no real benefit from a freeze exception solely to fix the package build unless it's necessary to make the package installable or fix a significant bug
2026-02-23 18:02:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-23 18:02:37 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:02:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:04:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2434041 - RejectedFreezeException (Beta) - this is rejected on the basis that the package is still installable, and there's no real benefit from a freeze exception solely to fix the package build unless it's necessary to make the package installable or fix a significant bug
2026-02-23 18:04:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> any more acks?
2026-02-23 18:04:15 <@kparal:matrix.org> we usually need 3
2026-02-23 18:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2026-02-23 18:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, gtk4, ON_QA
2026-02-23 18:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2041
2026-02-23 18:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2440500
2026-02-23 18:04:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2440500) SVG texture heights are incorrect
2026-02-23 18:04:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, but i don't wanna keep everyone sitting around for ever
2026-02-23 18:04:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the votes are more important than the acks
2026-02-23 18:05:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this one makes the tour you see on first boot after install look weird, so it's pretty visible
2026-02-23 18:05:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and it may well affect other things i didn't find yet, and it's a *very* obvious cause and fix
2026-02-23 18:05:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/9476/diffs
2026-02-23 18:06:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, also threw a +1 BetaFE in the ticket after looking it over
2026-02-23 18:06:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the fix is a one-liner too :)
2026-02-23 18:06:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, if i'm +1, that's +3
2026-02-23 18:06:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other votes?
2026-02-23 18:07:29 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> +1
2026-02-23 18:07:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1
2026-02-23 18:07:38 <@korora:fedora.im> +1
2026-02-23 18:10:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2440500 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a very obvious fix that addresses at least one highly visible bug (the GNOME Tour window being oversized) and there may well be other cases we didn't spot yet that are worse (for a tall-but-narrow image we could wind up cutting off a lot of it)
2026-02-23 18:10:57 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:11:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:13:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any nacks/patches?
2026-02-23 18:14:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2440500 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a very obvious fix that addresses at least one highly visible bug (the GNOME Tour window being oversized) and there may well be other cases we didn't spot yet that are worse (for a tall-but-narrow image we could wind up cutting off a lot of it)
2026-02-23 18:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+0,0,-1) (-nielsenb)
2026-02-23 18:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2045
2026-02-23 18:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, krita, ON_QA
2026-02-23 18:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441074
2026-02-23 18:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2441074) Update krita to 6.0.0 beta2
2026-02-23 18:16:02 <@kparal:matrix.org> +1 FE for the design suite
2026-02-23 18:16:19 <@kparal:matrix.org> without it, I would be -1, because updates-testing is enabled by default
2026-02-23 18:16:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> what is the impact of "mlt was updated shortly before Beta freeze with a change that dropped Qt5 support.  As the only remaining Qt5 consumer of mlt, krita 5 is particularly impacted, and provides an additional impetus to migrate early"?
2026-02-23 18:16:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> what does mlt do? what can't krita do without it?
2026-02-23 18:18:15 <@kparal:matrix.org> shotcut uses mlt to orchestrate the video transcode process. I have no idea what krita uses it for.
2026-02-23 18:18:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> same thing
2026-02-23 18:18:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it uses it for transforms, effects, animations, etc.
2026-02-23 18:19:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and it can process and let you edit video frames
2026-02-23 18:19:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, i guess if it's in design suite, fine. and if it's not in KDE by default, if the update happens to eat babies it can't be a release blocker...
2026-02-23 18:20:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> +1
2026-02-23 18:20:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's +4 / -1, any other votes?
2026-02-23 18:20:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (the -1 was before 'it's default in design suite' was known, for the record)
2026-02-23 18:23:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2441074 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a significant functionality problem in a default app on a non-blocking spin (Design Suite)
2026-02-23 18:23:23 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:25:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:26:13 <@kparal:matrix.org> it we've lost everyone else
2026-02-23 18:26:22 <@kparal:matrix.org> give it your ack, Adam, and we can move on
2026-02-23 18:26:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok
2026-02-23 18:26:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2441074 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as it's a significant functionality problem in a default app on a non-blocking spin (Design Suite)
2026-02-23 18:26:56 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 18:27:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2435519) OCR functionality in Spectacle does not work unless tesseract-devel is installed (due to bad library discovery code in Spectacle)
2026-02-23 18:27:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2435519
2026-02-23 18:27:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2043
2026-02-23 18:27:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, spectacle, ON_QA
2026-02-23 18:27:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: BetaFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+nielsenb)
2026-02-23 18:27:05 <@kparal:matrix.org> it seems we've lost everyone else
2026-02-23 18:27:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> minor penalty, ruzicka, two minutes for late ack'ing
2026-02-23 18:27:46 <@ngompa:fedora.im> there's a sync issue with matrix.org
2026-02-23 18:27:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, well. this is the last issue anyway...
2026-02-23 18:28:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> eh, I think describing OCR as 'core functionality' of a screenshot tool is pushing it a bit
2026-02-23 18:29:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> I see that my comments are sometimes lagging
2026-02-23 18:29:05 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it's more that it's literally a flagship feature on the Plasma 6.6 release page
2026-02-23 18:29:41 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'm +1 FE, it fixes a bug, and it's not a release-blocking app
2026-02-23 18:29:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> so any regressions shouldn't be a problem
2026-02-23 18:31:15 <@ngompa:fedora.im> spectacle is releaseblocking for KDE
2026-02-23 18:31:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, that's not the guidelines we usually go by? on that basis we should give an FE to any update that we think is not 'release-blocking', pretty much...
2026-02-23 18:31:18 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it's a core function
2026-02-23 18:31:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, it can't work both ways...
2026-02-23 18:32:38 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it's a core app
2026-02-23 18:33:28 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I filed it as an FE because we don't have OCR criterion
2026-02-23 18:33:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> Neal Gompa (Fedora): we have this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_43_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_application_functionality
2026-02-23 18:33:40 <@kparal:matrix.org> and this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_43_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_panel_functionality
2026-02-23 18:34:40 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I have been fighting with power outages all day long, plus in the meantime with no power, I rewired internet and now, when power is back on, I am fighting internet outages :D
2026-02-23 18:35:15 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Oh my, I wish I paid more attention when doing networking at university.
2026-02-23 18:35:27 <@kparal:matrix.org> IIUI that spectacle is a screenshot tool, it probably doesn't fit, unless it's available from the system panel 
2026-02-23 18:35:42 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it's triggered from the system function print screen?
2026-02-23 18:35:48 <@ngompa:fedora.im> it's triggered from the button print screen?
2026-02-23 18:35:59 <@ngompa:fedora.im> and its default behavior is a shell overlay
2026-02-23 18:36:04 <@ngompa:fedora.im> but yeah, I dunno
2026-02-23 18:36:31 <@ngompa:fedora.im> I didn't see an obvious criterion, so I went with an FE, especially since this function was highlighted in the release announcement for Plasma 6.6
2026-02-23 18:36:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'm still +1 FE
2026-02-23 18:37:10 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: your vote?
2026-02-23 18:37:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ehh, fine, i guess +1
2026-02-23 18:40:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's more or less up to you what you want to cover in the list
2026-02-23 18:41:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2435519 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as the fix for a major new feature of a default KDE application
2026-02-23 18:41:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-02-23 18:43:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> come up, folks, please vote
2026-02-23 18:43:06 <@kparal:matrix.org> come on, folks, please vote
2026-02-23 18:43:25 <@ngompa:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 18:43:32 <@jgroman:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 18:43:44 <@psklenar:fedora.im> ack
2026-02-23 18:43:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2435519 - AcceptedFreezeException (Beta) - this is accepted as the fix for a major new feature of a default KDE application
2026-02-23 18:43:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay! i guess that's it
2026-02-23 18:44:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, we can do a quick spin through:
2026-02-23 18:44:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Accepted Beta Blockers
2026-02-23 18:44:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info as a reminder, we're checking status, not re-voting
2026-02-23 18:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2028
2026-02-23 18:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, kernel, NEW
2026-02-23 18:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2438442
2026-02-23 18:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2438442) Graphics broken unless Panel Self Refresh is disabled (with i915.enable_psr=0)
2026-02-23 18:44:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we decided earlier in the meeting to do a call for testing on this one along with the new one
2026-02-23 18:44:47 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: I've done the secretary stuff
2026-02-23 18:44:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks
2026-02-23 18:45:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info jforbes says a bisect would be very valuable if anyone with an affected system can do it (even just identifying the last good / first broken kernel builds in koji would help)
2026-02-23 18:45:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2036
2026-02-23 18:45:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2438907
2026-02-23 18:45:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2438907) [abrt] gnome-shell: meta_wayland_popup_grab_finish(): gnome-shell killed by SIGSEGV
2026-02-23 18:45:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, mutter, ON_QA
2026-02-23 18:45:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> fix for this is in testing, please test and karma it so we can push it stable
2026-02-23 18:45:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info fix for this is in testing, please test and karma it so we can push it stable
2026-02-23 18:46:14 <@jforbes:fedora.im> I can see if one of these laptops I have is meteor lake.
2026-02-23 18:47:17 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Pretty sure I don't have any meteor lake though, only lunar lake
2026-02-23 18:48:25 <@ngompa:fedora.im> alas I don't have anything that new Intel-wise
2026-02-23 18:50:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> me either
2026-02-23 18:50:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2026-02-23 18:50:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, that's everything, I think - did I miss anything?
2026-02-23 18:51:06 <@ngompa:fedora.im> nope
2026-02-23 18:51:19 <@ngompa:fedora.im> this will be the first cycle with forgejo for freeze pushes though
2026-02-23 18:55:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> shouldn't make any difference, really. i might need to update an SOP somewhere though...
2026-02-23 18:56:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> cya
2026-02-23 18:56:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for coming, everyone
2026-02-23 18:56:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting