2026-04-13 16:00:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting F44-blocker-review
2026-04-13 16:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-04-13 16:00:37 UTC
2026-04-13 16:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'F44-blocker-review'
2026-04-13 16:00:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2026-04-13 16:00:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi folks, who's around for f44 blocker review fun?
2026-04-13 16:00:51 <@korora:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:00:54 <@jlinton:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:00:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jocelyn (she/her) (Server WG: Docs): Jocelyn Gould (korora) - she / her / hers
2026-04-13 16:01:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jeremy Linton: Jeremy Linton (jlinton)
2026-04-13 16:01:02 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:01:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2026-04-13 16:01:04 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi Canadian Hockey Player
2026-04-13 16:01:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, I can only look up one username at a time
2026-04-13 16:01:18 <@kparal:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-13 16:01:18 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi Canadian
2026-04-13 16:01:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, but Fedora Accounts user 'Canadian' does not exist
2026-04-13 16:01:21 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:01:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
2026-04-13 16:01:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni: Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2026-04-13 16:01:28 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:01:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Lukáš Růžička: Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
2026-04-13 16:01:47 <@jgroman:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:01:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi lukasy
2026-04-13 16:01:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jaroslav Groman: Jaroslav Groman (jgroman)
2026-04-13 16:02:15 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 16:02:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz: Derek Enz (derekenz)
2026-04-13 16:02:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing this fine monday morning
2026-04-13 16:03:18 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Fine thx you?
2026-04-13 16:03:29 <@korora:fedora.im> i'm doing alright
2026-04-13 16:03:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> good good
2026-04-13 16:04:04 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ready to step on a bug's back
2026-04-13 16:04:41 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Ready for my dinner.
2026-04-13 16:05:27 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> You eat bugs for dinner?
2026-04-13 16:06:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nothing wrong with some nice juicy bugs
2026-04-13 16:06:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty
2026-04-13 16:06:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> boilerplate time
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The bugs up for review today are available at:
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Introduction
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Why are we here?
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs.
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info We'll be following the process outlined at:
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Final_Release_Criteria
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_44_Beta_Release_Criteria
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at:
2026-04-13 16:06:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current
2026-04-13 16:06:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info for Final, we have:
2026-04-13 16:06:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 4 Proposed Blockers
2026-04-13 16:06:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 5 Accepted Blockers
2026-04-13 16:06:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 4 Proposed Freeze Exceptions
2026-04-13 16:06:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info 10 Accepted Freeze Exceptions
2026-04-13 16:07:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who wants to secretarialize?
2026-04-13 16:07:16 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I do
2026-04-13 16:07:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> note i left some bugs which technically have a +/-3 vote in for the meeting, i figured this close to final we should be careful and cover all opinions
2026-04-13 16:09:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sorry, context switching
2026-04-13 16:09:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Lukáš Růžička will secretarialize
2026-04-13 16:09:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's get started with:
2026-04-13 16:09:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final blockers
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+4,1,-0) (+augenauf, +geraldosimiao, +derekenz, +nielsenb, kparal)
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2455855) Storage editor fails to prevent mounting btrfs / subv over /home subv
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455855
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2096
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, cockpit, NEW
2026-04-13 16:09:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+2,0,-0) (+kparal, +nielsenb)
2026-04-13 16:10:07 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> which LLM are you using to spend context so quickly?
2026-04-13 16:11:37 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-13 16:11:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his
2026-04-13 16:12:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm a bit on the fence with this one
2026-04-13 16:12:28 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> This seems like it's just going to "go away" with the mount option
2026-04-13 16:12:30 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I am not very sure about this being extremely blockery.
2026-04-13 16:12:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a 'shoot yourself in the foot with a popgun' sort of thing
2026-04-13 16:13:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the cited criterion says "installer must reject invalid configurations without crashing" and, well, it does that
2026-04-13 16:13:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you do this, it's awkward and weird, but it doesn't eat your data or blow up or anything. you can go back and fix it, or reboot and fix it
2026-04-13 16:13:51 <@kparal:matrix.org> It's a niche case for me, not likely to happen too often, I believe
2026-04-13 16:13:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the proposed fixes certainly look like good improvements, though
2026-04-13 16:14:03 <@kparal:matrix.org> and there's no hard consequence
2026-04-13 16:14:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, the only reason I could see letting this go is because there's not really any consequence except some annoyance
2026-04-13 16:14:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah...I think i'm -1 blocker, +1 fe
2026-04-13 16:14:39 <@kparal:matrix.org> but you can't fix it in UI, you have to unmount manually
2026-04-13 16:14:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (for the FE i think i like the idea of just backporting the 'hide the mount button in webui' thing)
2026-04-13 16:14:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sure, "awkward and weird"
2026-04-13 16:15:19 <@kparal:matrix.org> I voted +0, but I feel closer to tilted towards -1 a bit
2026-04-13 16:15:27 <@kparal:matrix.org> I voted +0, but I feel tilted towards -1 a bit
2026-04-13 16:15:42 <@korora:fedora.im> I'm -1 blocker, +1 fe as well
2026-04-13 16:16:00 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I only tilted +1 because of the "anything the spoke let's you do that's sane..." clarifying text
2026-04-13 16:16:05 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> me too, but folks from askfedora won't be happy
2026-04-13 16:16:16 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Mounting seems sane, though I've never needed to mount anything from the installer
2026-04-13 16:16:18 <@kparal:matrix.org> brilliant ideas like "hide the button that breaks stuff" are my specialty 😄 
2026-04-13 16:16:20 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Alright, with that rationale I can revert to -1 blocker and go +1 FE 
2026-04-13 16:16:34 <@kparal:matrix.org> not sure I can credit the idea completely, but I did raise it 🙂 
2026-04-13 16:17:12 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> -1 FB, +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:17:22 <@kparal:matrix.org> That's the thing, you don't need to mount anything, it just confuses people
2026-04-13 16:17:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Confuses people like the anaconda web ui
2026-04-13 16:17:44 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Ok with that being said FB -1 FE +1
2026-04-13 16:18:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Confuses people and the anaconda web ui
2026-04-13 16:20:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2455855 - RejectedBlocker (Final) Accepted FreezeException (Final) - this is an awkward corner case if you encounter it, but you have to do something that's not really *necessary* to hit it (try and mount partitions) and it doesn't crash the installer or eat any data, you just get a bit stuck. you can recover with a manual unmount, or by rebooting and trying again. We agreed this doesn't really clearly violate either the cited criterion or the Final "Disk layouts" criterion. It's accepted as an FE because we *would* like to fix this small footgun safely if possible.
2026-04-13 16:20:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2455855 - RejectedBlocker (Final) Accepted FreezeException (Final) - this is an awkward corner case if you encounter it, but you have to do something that's not really *necessary* to hit it (try and mount filesystems) and it doesn't crash the installer or eat any data, you just get a bit stuck. you can recover with a manual unmount, or by rebooting and trying again. We agreed this doesn't really clearly violate either the cited criterion or the Final "Disk layouts" criterion. It's accepted as an FE because we *would* like to fix this small footgun safely if possible.
2026-04-13 16:20:36 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:20:42 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:20:45 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:20:48 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:20:51 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:21:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2455855 - RejectedBlocker (Final) Accepted FreezeException (Final) - this is an awkward corner case if you encounter it, but you have to do something that's not really necessary to hit it (try and mount filesystems) and it doesn't crash the installer or eat any data, you just get a bit stuck. you can recover with a manual unmount, or by rebooting and trying again. We agreed this doesn't really clearly violate either the cited criterion or the Final "Disk layouts" criterion. It's accepted as an FE because we would like to fix this small footgun safely if possible.
2026-04-13 16:22:06 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, flatpak, MODIFIED
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2101
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2456353
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+4,0,-0) (+asciiwolf, +ngompa, +geraldosimiao, +adamwill)
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2456353) flatpak-1.17.4 is available
2026-04-13 16:22:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-4) (+asciiwolf, -boniboyblue, -nielsenb, -niknikovsky, -kparal)
2026-04-13 16:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is already accepted FE and will get pushed stable after the meeting, so let's not spend too much time on it i guess
2026-04-13 16:23:22 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Why should we block on a new release? 
2026-04-13 16:23:34 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> -1 FB
2026-04-13 16:23:45 <@korora:fedora.im> I'm -1 FB/+1 FE
2026-04-13 16:24:02 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> !hi
2026-04-13 16:24:03 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I'm still FB -1
2026-04-13 16:24:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Ahmed Almeleh: Ahmed Almeleh (ahmedalmeleh) - he / him / his
2026-04-13 16:24:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> CVEs, but both cited are rated Moderate by RH
2026-04-13 16:24:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if they were Important this could be a blocker
2026-04-13 16:24:14 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> /hi
2026-04-13 16:24:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so i'm -1 on that basis
2026-04-13 16:24:49 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> -1 FB +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:25:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2456353 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - the CVE criterion says CVEs rated Important or above on RH's scale can be blockers, and the two cited here are both Moderate. Note this is already accepted FE and will be pushed stable soon anyhow.
2026-04-13 16:25:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:19 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ackey
2026-04-13 16:25:19 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:20 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:23 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:29 <@jgroman:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:41 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:25:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2456353 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - the CVE criterion says CVEs rated Important or above on RH's scale can be blockers, and the two cited here are both Moderate. Note this is already accepted FE and will be pushed stable soon anyhow.
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2103
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+7,0,-0) (+asciiwolf, +nielsenb, +augenauf, +boniboyblue, +geraldosimiao, +kparal, +derekenz)
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, gnome-shell-extension-background-logo, NEW
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2457639) The background logo is too transparent and hard to see on F44
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2457639
2026-04-13 16:25:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+2,0,-6) (+asciiwolf, +petersen, -augenauf, -nielsenb, -derekenz, -boniboyblue, -geraldosimiao, -kparal)
2026-04-13 16:26:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so we have a -4 vote here, but i figured let's bring it up at the meeting just to be safe
2026-04-13 16:26:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i think we did previously accept this branding being entirely *missing* as a blocker, in one cycle?
2026-04-13 16:27:04 <@korora:fedora.im> -1 FB/+1 FE
2026-04-13 16:27:14 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> But it's not entirely missing. And we don't even do the watermark for KDE.
2026-04-13 16:27:25 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> -1 FB / +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:27:55 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> It's also only for light mode users. The dark mode is fine.
2026-04-13 16:27:59 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I believe this is being currently worked on by the fedora workstation team
2026-04-13 16:28:08 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> (or the design team, uncertain)
2026-04-13 16:28:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2026-04-13 16:28:44 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> Its not serious enough to be a blocker -1 FB
2026-04-13 16:28:56 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> +1 FE nice to have clearer though
2026-04-13 16:29:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> For the reasons above 
2026-04-13 16:29:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:29:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> -1 FB
2026-04-13 16:29:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't think asciiwolf is around to defend the proposal
2026-04-13 16:30:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2457639 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - we agreed this isn't serious enough to constitute a violation of the artwork criteria. The watermark *is* present and visible, just a bit subtle; it's also not really an issue on the dark mode wallpaper.
2026-04-13 16:30:40 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:30:44 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:30:46 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> What about accepted FE?
2026-04-13 16:30:51 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:31:00 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> acky ack
2026-04-13 16:31:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2457639 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - we agreed this isn't serious enough to constitute a violation of the artwork criteria. The watermark is present and visible, just a bit subtle; it's also not really an issue on the dark mode wallpaper.
2026-04-13 16:31:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2456896
2026-04-13 16:31:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2456896) Raspberry Pi 4 KDE fails to boot into GUI without nomodeset on 4K KVM
2026-04-13 16:31:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+5,0,-1) (+derekenz, +ngompa, +geraldosimiao, +boniboyblue, +nielsenb, -pbrobinson)
2026-04-13 16:31:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Blocker, kwin, NEW
2026-04-13 16:31:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2099
2026-04-13 16:31:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so this one got a lot of initial momentum but the picture seems a bit more complicated now
2026-04-13 16:31:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if we're only sure it's failing on one specific monitor/KVM that seems less obviously blocker-y
2026-04-13 16:32:13 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Yeah that seems to be the case
2026-04-13 16:32:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> peter robinson is AFK atm but he told me: "my general opinion is that it's likely the KVM monitor thing and doesn't appear to be a widespread problem AFAICT, it looks to be just affecting KDE too, so likely some capability that the device reports via EDID that Kwin picks up on that other desktops don't maybe? I am by no means a display/EDID/wayland capabilities specialist though."
2026-04-13 16:32:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> also "and the tester confirmed it works on another device, I have tested it on my monitors, as has at least @pwhalen has tested on another 4K monitor"
2026-04-13 16:32:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> do we know if this affects also 4K monitors, or just 4K KVM?
2026-04-13 16:33:11 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I don't think this is serious enough to be a blocker, but up to y'all 
2026-04-13 16:33:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> KDE does do stuff with high refresh rate / VRR for gaming, right? could be involved?
2026-04-13 16:33:27 <@jlinton:fedora.im> Possibly, just very high refresh 4k monitors? Would be nice to know the model that is having a problem.
2026-04-13 16:33:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and HDR...
2026-04-13 16:33:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, this is starting to feel really hardware specific to me.
2026-04-13 16:33:33 <@korora:fedora.im> According to the issue, it's also present in F43-1.6
2026-04-13 16:33:34 <@jgroman:fedora.im> I filed the bug but I do not have 4K monitor to test it.
2026-04-13 16:34:05 <@jgroman:fedora.im> It might be just my chinesium KVM though.
2026-04-13 16:34:55 <@jgroman:fedora.im> However Gnome handles it gracefully
2026-04-13 16:35:03 <@korora:fedora.im> This feels like hardware...  -1 FB/+1 FE
2026-04-13 16:35:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so it looks like: you hit the bug with the 4K KVM attached and a 2K monitor attached to the KVM. you don't hit the bug with the 2K monitor attached directly. you don't have a 4K monitor to test how that would go with/without the KVM
2026-04-13 16:35:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> is that right?
2026-04-13 16:35:27 <@jlinton:fedora.im> Given i'm always having USB-C monitor issues with fedora, i'm a -1 FB too
2026-04-13 16:35:57 <@jgroman:fedora.im> It is either KVM or 2K monitor but otherwise you are right.
2026-04-13 16:35:58 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> -1 FB 
2026-04-13 16:35:58 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:35:58 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Hardware issue that seems to be unrelated to Fedora 44.
2026-04-13 16:36:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, on the whole so far this has the 'tied to this specific KVM' feeling to me...i'm -1 at this stage, could reconsider based on future info
2026-04-13 16:36:30 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Same
2026-04-13 16:36:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinaleBlocker -1
2026-04-13 16:36:49 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> -1 FB +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:37:01 <@jgroman:fedora.im> Yes, agreed. FB -1
2026-04-13 16:37:33 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> can anyone tell me if this specific combination is too widespread or not?
2026-04-13 16:37:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Derek Enz Conan Kudo 🤒 what say you? you're both +1 atm
2026-04-13 16:37:49 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> *is it me or does this feel like participating in the stock market*
2026-04-13 16:37:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao so far, AFAICT, we only know that Jaroslav's specific KVM switch is affected by this
2026-04-13 16:37:59 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I can revert my vote too if its too corner case
2026-04-13 16:38:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> some arm folks did test with 4K monitors directly attached to Pis and it worked
2026-04-13 16:38:11 <@derekenz:fedora.im> With more info here ill change to FB -1 FE +1
2026-04-13 16:38:15 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> It doesn't seem to be wide-spread, from my quick reading.
2026-04-13 16:38:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's all about vibes
2026-04-13 16:38:26 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalBlocker -1
2026-04-13 16:38:32 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> -1 FB, +1 FE 
2026-04-13 16:38:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a lot like that, except you never make any money!
2026-04-13 16:38:41 <@jgroman:fedora.im> Since nobody else was complaining so far it seems to be niche problem.
2026-04-13 16:38:46 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Hmm, I thought this was effecting all Raspberry Pi's so I'm going to revert to FB -1.
2026-04-13 16:38:51 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ~~Just like real stocks to be honest~~
2026-04-13 16:38:52 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ok, so -1 FB and +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:38:58 <@derekenz:fedora.im> It works for me on my LG regular LCD
2026-04-13 16:39:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I have seen issues with a 4K HDMI KVM on my x86 PC, but not quite the same ones
2026-04-13 16:39:14 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ~~Just like real stocks, especially crypto to be honest~~
2026-04-13 16:39:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> mine is that kwin just gets stuck and then pressing buttons makes it work somehow
2026-04-13 16:40:00 <@derekenz:fedora.im> How wide spread of an issue?
2026-04-13 16:40:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well sample size = 2 🤷‍♂️
2026-04-13 16:40:48 <@korora:fedora.im> We need a third for balance.  LOL
2026-04-13 16:41:04 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I think we should address this when a third issue is opened 
2026-04-13 16:41:09 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> And skip it for now
2026-04-13 16:41:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2456896 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - it's seeming like this issue is not a general "all Pi 4s and all 4K displays" issue, but more of a "specific problem between kwin and some strange EDID data from the tested KVM switch" issue. On that basis we reject it per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Blocker_Bug_FAQ#What_about_hardware_and_local_configuration_dependent_issues? , but we will keep an eye on further investigation results and can reconsider if necessary
2026-04-13 16:41:36 <@korora:fedora.im> I'm ok with that.  I'm still -1 FB/+1 FE
2026-04-13 16:41:40 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:48 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:51 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:56 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:41:59 <@jgroman:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:42:00 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ackintosh
2026-04-13 16:42:06 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:42:09 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:42:15 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:42:19 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Just my 0,07PLN though 
2026-04-13 16:42:54 <@jlinton:fedora.im> ack, but we probably should at some point make a larger effort to assure that USB-C docks, MST, HDR, etc are more widly supported.
2026-04-13 16:43:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2456896 - RejectedBlocker (Final) - it's seeming like this issue is not a general "all Pi 4s and all 4K displays" issue, but more of a "specific problem between kwin and some strange EDID data from the tested KVM switch" issue. On that basis we reject it per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Blocker_Bug_FAQ#What_about_hardware_and_local_configuration_dependent_issues? , but we will keep an eye on further investigation results and can reconsider if necessary
2026-04-13 16:43:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2026-04-13 16:43:21 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Just my 0,08PLN though
2026-04-13 16:43:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info that's all the proposed blockers, moving onto:
2026-04-13 16:43:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we should probably identify popular docks and add them to the test matrix on x86 and arm
2026-04-13 16:43:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Proposed Final freeze exceptions
2026-04-13 16:43:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I use a popular KVM switch and I do get problems occasionally and it's annoying to validate with sample =1
2026-04-13 16:43:59 <@korora:fedora.im> Probably not a bad idea
2026-04-13 16:44:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I use a popular KVM switch and I do get problems occasionally and it's annoying to validate with sample = 1
2026-04-13 16:44:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i suspect 'popular docks' is 'whatever they sell in apple stores plus whatever you can buy off amazon for $20 this week'
2026-04-13 16:44:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there are a few well-known brands used in offices
2026-04-13 16:44:47 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Or AliExpress for 500 vietnamese dongs
2026-04-13 16:44:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and there's the kvm switches in monitors
2026-04-13 16:44:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> those are becoming more common
2026-04-13 16:45:10 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> There's probably a limited number of DP-HDMI and MST chips used in cheap docks, so representative samples might be sufficient.
2026-04-13 16:45:18 <@korora:fedora.im> I need to get a 3 port KVM that has two USB-C hubs in it...
2026-04-13 16:45:39 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Back to the this eventually?
2026-04-13 16:47:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, was just letting the discussion play out
2026-04-13 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, kf6, ON_QA
2026-04-13 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2102
2026-04-13 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2457573
2026-04-13 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2457573) FE: KDE Frameworks 6.25.0 + Plasma 6.6.4
2026-04-13 16:47:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+3,0,-1) (+geraldosimiao, +derekenz, +boniboyblue, -nielsenb)
2026-04-13 16:47:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so i'm +1 in theory, but since we may actually have a chance of Go this week, i might not want to pull this in...
2026-04-13 16:48:05 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> So I believe that this is updating the KDE spin to those versions?
2026-04-13 16:48:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes, that's the idea
2026-04-13 16:48:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, I might wind up including the FE fix for plasma-setup in that update
2026-04-13 16:48:35 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> +1
2026-04-13 16:48:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm pretty sure I know how to fix the dark mode thing now
2026-04-13 16:48:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we typically give gnome and kde some leeway to do bugfix updates in final freeze and slightly late pushes of new releases in beta freeze, but i don't particularly like to do it three days before a go/no-go decision
2026-04-13 16:48:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I just need to actually write the patch and test it
2026-04-13 16:48:56 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ohh thats lovely
2026-04-13 16:49:05 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I'm here to test it
2026-04-13 16:49:13 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> You mean the light mode wallpaper thing or..?
2026-04-13 16:49:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo 🤒 it'd be nice to have specific FE bug fixes separate from huge platform-wide updates :/
2026-04-13 16:49:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> unfortunately it's not really possible anymore
2026-04-13 16:49:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> no, thats gnome. the KDE thing is with icon at the menu
2026-04-13 16:49:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if I had figured out the problem last week, sure
2026-04-13 16:50:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but not now
2026-04-13 16:50:04 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Lots of good karma in the update so I'm still FE +1
2026-04-13 16:50:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> niknikovsky has already given cookies to ngompa during the F43 timeframe
2026-04-13 16:50:20 <@korora:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 16:50:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> all things are possible if you believe hard enough
2026-04-13 16:50:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (and are willing to whack git with a big enough stick)
2026-04-13 16:50:41 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Except for [content blocked]
2026-04-13 16:50:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2026-04-13 16:51:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that would probably mean "revert in git, apply fix to old version, build, submit as separate update, drop package from the large update" ? (if that's even possible)
2026-04-13 16:51:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm fine with +1 in principle, we can think about whether to actually land it when building the next candidate
2026-04-13 16:51:14 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> +1 FE
2026-04-13 16:51:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 'drop package from the large update' is probably not necessary, two updates for same package can co-exist with different NVRs
2026-04-13 16:51:28 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> From what I'm reading though it seems we might need to also give this a FE: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-bef0050737
2026-04-13 16:51:37 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> still ugly :) 
2026-04-13 16:52:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i have done this on more than one occasion, heh
2026-04-13 16:52:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhow
2026-04-13 16:52:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that one involves CVE fixes, so that probably can FE right through
2026-04-13 16:53:00 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> And probably safer from some potential future CVE fixes 
2026-04-13 16:53:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2457573 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted in principle as it's good to get the latest upstream fixes in the release. However, we may decide not to pull it into an RC aimed at approval on Thursday (if that comes to pass) due to tight timing
2026-04-13 16:53:20 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:24 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:25 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:28 <@jgroman:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> has anyone proposed it? it needs to be proposed
2026-04-13 16:53:40 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 16:53:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted in principle as it's good to get the latest upstream fixes in the release. However, we may decide not to pull it into an RC aimed at approval on Thursday (if that comes to pass) due to tight timing
2026-04-13 16:53:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> grr
2026-04-13 16:53:52 <@ahmedalmeleh:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:54:04 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Doesn't look like it.
2026-04-13 16:54:06 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:54:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2457573 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted in principle as it's good to get the latest upstream fixes in the release. However, we may decide not to pull it into an RC aimed at approval on Thursday (if that comes to pass) due to tight timing
2026-04-13 16:54:13 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'll get the command
2026-04-13 16:54:21 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Ok?
2026-04-13 16:54:27 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Nvm
2026-04-13 16:54:29 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 16:54:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2456893) CVE-2026-39860 nix: privilege escalation via symlink following during output registration [fedora-all]
2026-04-13 16:54:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, nix, ON_QA
2026-04-13 16:54:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2105
2026-04-13 16:54:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2456893
2026-04-13 16:54:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh good more CVEs
2026-04-13 16:55:39 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ~~CVEez nuts~~
2026-04-13 16:55:44 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Okay that was not good 
2026-04-13 16:56:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> patrick-boo.gif
2026-04-13 16:56:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> is nix in any images?
2026-04-13 16:56:56 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> The Linux distro?
2026-04-13 16:57:14 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> No, but I do believe it's a F44 change.
2026-04-13 16:57:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the tool this bug is about
2026-04-13 16:58:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ehhh, i guess FE is fiiiiine
2026-04-13 16:58:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> weak +1
2026-04-13 16:58:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't think nix is preinstalled anywhere. but it's *already* in F44 (and older branches) so it would be nice not to ship OOTB with a broken version 
2026-04-13 16:58:39 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah
2026-04-13 16:58:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE +1
2026-04-13 16:58:56 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Nah - nix is the package manager.
2026-04-13 16:59:22 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Okay then
2026-04-13 16:59:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nixos is the distro
2026-04-13 16:59:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nixair is the airline
2026-04-13 16:59:40 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'll hold my vote off then since I clearly don't know what is going on 
2026-04-13 16:59:44 <@derekenz:fedora.im> From the report a FE +1 seems good
2026-04-13 16:59:51 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> And what? Nixmobile is a carrier?
2026-04-13 16:59:53 <@korora:fedora.im> Yeah, this is one of those “this isn’t confusing at all”
2026-04-13 17:00:07 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I'm FE +1
2026-04-13 17:00:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed - 2456893 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted as it's nice to fix CVEs in the stable repo for folks installing or upgrading ahead of release. It's not a blocker as nix isn't included in any release-blocking images by default.
2026-04-13 17:00:47 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Why does TMobile show up when searching that
2026-04-13 17:00:53 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:00:58 <@jgroman:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:01:01 <@korora:fedora.im> I’m abstaining on this one
2026-04-13 17:01:15 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'm opting to remain neutral
2026-04-13 17:01:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no, it was actually founded years before the cellphone was invented, it's a cross-continent trucking company. confusing, huh?
2026-04-13 17:01:23 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:01:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Bob Nix really should've had a better idea than naming all his companies after himself
2026-04-13 17:01:32 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:01:33 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:01:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 17:01:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed - 2456893 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted as it's nice to fix CVEs in the stable repo for folks installing or upgrading ahead of release. It's not a blocker as nix isn't included in any release-blocking images by default.
2026-04-13 17:02:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ugh i think i just broke my own house style about whether agreements end in a period. noooo
2026-04-13 17:02:22 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> https://m.youtube.com/@nixmobile
2026-04-13 17:02:22 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> It's also a YouTube channel
2026-04-13 17:02:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2455362) xdg-desktop-portal causes nautilus to open wrong initial directory
2026-04-13 17:02:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455362
2026-04-13 17:02:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2106
2026-04-13 17:02:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, xdg-desktop-portal, VERIFIED
2026-04-13 17:02:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+1,0,-0) (+kparal)
2026-04-13 17:02:32 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> For some context, both [2455362](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455362) (file portal opens in wrong dir) and [2457805](https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2457805) (background apps missing) get fixed by the same update, xdg-flatpak-portal 1.21.1. Also includes a CVE fix (sandbox escape, allows flatpak apps to trash files they don't have access to)
2026-04-13 17:02:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> stop ruining my headcanon! :D
2026-04-13 17:03:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> niknikovsky gave a cookie to adamwill. They now have 306 cookies, 13 of which were obtained in the Fedora 43 release cycle
2026-04-13 17:03:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> might also fix https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/1962 ? i like fixy tings
2026-04-13 17:03:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, sure, i'm +1 for the actual bug, and the vibes
2026-04-13 17:03:54 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 17:03:55 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE +1
2026-04-13 17:04:00 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> FE +1 for the above reason
2026-04-13 17:04:03 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 17:04:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (i think i might have reported this too, somewhere? i think openqa hit it in something.)
2026-04-13 17:04:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ohhh shiny. I was getting annoyed by this. :D FE+1
2026-04-13 17:04:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ~~the kneecaps?~~
2026-04-13 17:04:37 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:04:58 <@jgroman:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:05:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2455362 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is certainly an annoying bug for portal-using apps where you use the file chooser, and you can encounter it on live media, so an FE makes sense. We also note that the update fixes a CVE and likely some crashes too
2026-04-13 17:06:06 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:07 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:10 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:10 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:10 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:19 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:06:25 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> (h)ackintosh
2026-04-13 17:06:45 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ackathon
2026-04-13 17:07:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2455362 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is certainly an annoying bug for portal-using apps where you use the file chooser, and you can encounter it on live media, so an FE makes sense. We also note that the update fixes a CVE and likely some crashes too
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2457805
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2104
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, xdg-desktop-portal, ON_QA
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2457805) Background Apps missing in GNOME 50
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalFreezeException (+3,0,-0) (+boniboyblue, +asciiwolf, +kparal)
2026-04-13 17:07:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Ticket vote: FinalBlocker (+1,0,-0) (+asciiwolf)
2026-04-13 17:07:50 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> How many more to go?
2026-04-13 17:08:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Huh, so it is
2026-04-13 17:08:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is the last
2026-04-13 17:08:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> unless someone's proposed the CVE thing from earlier
2026-04-13 17:08:33 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> this looks like the last one, but it's the same as the previous one (xdg-flatpak-portal 1.21.1)
2026-04-13 17:08:49 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> In my opinion if those apps don't affect normal functionality, just FE it
2026-04-13 17:09:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, this is also fixed by the xdg-desktop-portal update?
2026-04-13 17:09:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> man, maybe i should be using it as a wrinkle cream too
2026-04-13 17:09:49 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Yes - already fixed. I proposed to get it into final.
2026-04-13 17:10:04 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> +1 FE since it's fixed by the xdg desktop portal
2026-04-13 17:10:16 <@korora:fedora.im> +1 FE as it's fixed as well
2026-04-13 17:10:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm kinda on the fence about this one in itself, but since we're already pulling the update in, let's not waste too much time on it
2026-04-13 17:10:24 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 17:10:27 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Why not use it as a "fix everything" cream
2026-04-13 17:10:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the libraw thing hasn't been proposed yet?
2026-04-13 17:10:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll do that
2026-04-13 17:10:55 <@korora:fedora.im> My  luck I'd be allergic to it
2026-04-13 17:11:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> not unless it was done in the last ten minutes
2026-04-13 17:11:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the list regens every 30 mins
2026-04-13 17:11:30 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'd be lethally allergic with my luck
2026-04-13 17:12:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2457805 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted as another annoying bug fixed by the xdg-desktop-portal update. We didn't want to spend too much time debating it as we're pulling in that update for the previously-discussed bug anyway
2026-04-13 17:12:09 <@korora:fedora.im> Same
2026-04-13 17:12:15 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:12:21 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> (wh)ack
2026-04-13 17:12:23 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ackronym
2026-04-13 17:12:25 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:12:26 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:12:27 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:12:30 <@zodbot:fedora.im> niknikovsky gave a cookie to lruzicka. They now have 46 cookies, 9 of which were obtained in the Fedora 43 release cycle
2026-04-13 17:12:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> just did it now
2026-04-13 17:12:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> derekenz has already given cookies to ngompa during the F43 timeframe
2026-04-13 17:12:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> niknikovsky has already given cookies to ngompa during the F43 timeframe
2026-04-13 17:13:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2457805 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted as another annoying bug fixed by the xdg-desktop-portal update. We didn't want to spend too much time debating it as we're pulling in that update for the previously-discussed bug anyway
2026-04-13 17:13:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, let me manually do that one then
2026-04-13 17:13:26 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Ack 
2026-04-13 17:14:26 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:14:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2456557) CVE-2026-20884 LibRaw: LibRaw: Arbitrary code execution via integer overflow in deflate_dng_load_raw [fedora-all]
2026-04-13 17:14:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Proposed Freeze Exceptions, LibRaw, MODIFIED
2026-04-13 17:14:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2456557
2026-04-13 17:15:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> An FE would fix or block fixing the CVE?
2026-04-13 17:15:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is rated moderate, but it does seem pretty bad in theory, yeah
2026-04-13 17:15:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> FE would allow us to fix it.
2026-04-13 17:15:48 <@korora:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:15:51 <@derekenz:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 17:15:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'm +1 in theory, though i don't like that it's a 20+ package update
2026-04-13 17:15:54 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Say no more
2026-04-13 17:15:54 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:15:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2026-04-13 17:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind ☘ UTC+1: Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2026-04-13 17:16:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> +1 if my vote counts
2026-04-13 17:16:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> are we sure the update is safe to land alone, without any other updates that are kicking their heels in u-t?
2026-04-13 17:16:08 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> FE +1
2026-04-13 17:16:13 <@jgroman:fedora.im> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:16:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it all goes into the algorithm
2026-04-13 17:16:22 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> FinalFE +1
2026-04-13 17:16:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the KDE update technically requires this update
2026-04-13 17:16:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since libraw is a dependency for KF6
2026-04-13 17:16:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> I can help run checks quickly if there are safety concerns
2026-04-13 17:17:01 <@haasjona:matrix.org> +1 FE
2026-04-13 17:17:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Conan Kudo 🤒 i'm more concerned about the other way round: will there be problems if we push this update without the kde update (or any other update)
2026-04-13 17:17:51 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Fe +1
2026-04-13 17:18:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no, that is fine
2026-04-13 17:18:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the kde update requires this one though
2026-04-13 17:18:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> proposed !agreed 2456557 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted to fix a fairly significant (though only rated Moderate, so it's not a blocker) CVE in release-blocking images.
2026-04-13 17:18:30 <@derekenz:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:18:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ack
2026-04-13 17:18:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> `ebranch check-update -b rawhide FEDORA-2026-ffba395f42 -v`
2026-04-13 17:18:40 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:18:42 <@korora:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:18:46 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> ack
2026-04-13 17:18:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> uh what Koji is saying that side tag does not exist
2026-04-13 17:18:55 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> Ack
2026-04-13 17:19:05 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh that update is... already stable :)
2026-04-13 17:19:16 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> (wh)ack(a-mole)
2026-04-13 17:19:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> you're looking at the rawhide one
2026-04-13 17:19:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> f44 is FEDORA-2026-bef0050737
2026-04-13 17:19:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh thanks
2026-04-13 17:20:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> this will take a while, I'll circle back if it found something ominous
2026-04-13 17:20:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> which I doubt
2026-04-13 17:20:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it does appear to be missing a build of swayimg
2026-04-13 17:20:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> package: swayimg-4.7-2.fc44.x86_64 from https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/repos/f44-build/latest/x86_64
2026-04-13 17:20:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ERROR:run_rmdepcheck.py:Rmdepcheck failed!
2026-04-13 17:20:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Dependencies of other packages that would be BROKEN by the tested packages:
2026-04-13 17:20:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im>   libraw.so.24()(64bit)
2026-04-13 17:20:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> huh, there's one in there. why didn't that test rerun
2026-04-13 17:21:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah editing the list of packages should retrigger tests right? or maybe not if it's backed by a side tag?
2026-04-13 17:21:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no, it always should
2026-04-13 17:21:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll look into that later
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> 
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> [check-update] finding reverse dependencies
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> [check-update] 196 reverse dependencies to check: BlockOutII, CImg, COPASI, DankMaterialShell, GoldenCheetah, NsCDE, PerceptualDiff, PyMca, WindowMaker, a2ps, allegro5, anyremote, asymptote, autotrace, awesome, ballerburg, biloba, blender, bottles, braille-printer-app, budgie-backgrounds, c-graph, caja-extensions, ccdciel, cegui06, chemical-mime-data, clips, corrida, crack-attack, crossfire-client, crystal-stacker, darktable, dbus-c++, diffoscope, diffpdf, digikam, dillo, dmapd, dvdauthor, dx, embree, enblend, enigma, enlightenment, eom, epix, ettercap, eureka, extrema, f42-backgrounds, f43-backgrounds, f44-backgrounds, fastfetch, fbida, fedora-eln-backgrounds, foobillard, freecol, freedroidrpg, freewrl, gap-pkg-hap, gemdropx, gerbv, gimp, gimp-resynthesizer, gmsh, gnokii, gnome-colors-icon-theme, gnome-photos, golly, greyhounds, grisbi, gscan2pdf, gyazo, icecat, iyfct, jpilot, julia, keepass, kwave, kxstitch, latex2rtf, lbrickbuster2, libopenshot, libpst, lilypond, louvre, luxcorerender, lyx, m1n1, materialx, mathomatic, maxima, mediainfo, meshlab, morserunner, mpsolve, mrrescue, mtpaint, nemo-extensions, ngspice, njam, ocaml-menhir, ogre, oidn, olive, openarena, openbabel, opencascade, openscad, openshadinglanguage, openxr-explorer, pachi, pcb, pcmanfm-qt, perl-Graphics-TIFF, perl-Image-Sane, perl-PAR-Packer, perl-PDF-API2, perl-PDF-Builder, perl-Panotools-Script, pfstools, pgmodeler, php-splitbrain-slika, pidgin-chime, pioneer, pipepanic, plasma-desktop, plasma-login-manager, playonlinux, prusa-slicer, psiconv, pstoedit, putty, puzzles, python-geotiler, python-img2pdf, python-pyobd, python-sphinx, python-wand, qtile-extras, qview, ravada, rcssserver3d, rss-glx, rubygem-activestorage, rubygem-mini_magick, rubygem-rmagick, scorched3d, sddm, shutter, simcoupe, simspark, skribilo, skychart, slic3r, stellarium, sway-config-fedora, sympy, synfig, tango-icon-theme, tango-icon-theme-extras, terminology, tigervnc, transfig, tuxanci, tuxpaint, tuxpuck, tuxtype2, unifont, uqm, usbview, usd, variety, vfrnav, vodovod, w3m, waf, warsow, whichwayisup, wv, wxMaxima, xawtv, xephem, xfig, xforms, xgalaxy, xine-lib, xmms2, xournal, xskat, xtrkcad, zasx, zaz, zenon, zipios++, zynaddsubfx
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> [check-update] 225 changed provides (223 updated, 2 removed)
2026-04-13 17:21:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> whoa
2026-04-13 17:21:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> 196 to check :P 
2026-04-13 17:22:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhoo
2026-04-13 17:22:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !agreed 2456557 - AcceptedFreezeException (Final) - this is accepted to fix a fairly significant (though only rated Moderate, so it's not a blocker) CVE in release-blocking images
2026-04-13 17:22:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info that's all the proposals, let's do a quick look over:
2026-04-13 17:22:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Accepted Final Blocker review
2026-04-13 17:22:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> `Summary: all 196 reverse dependencies OK.
2026-04-13 17:22:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> `
2026-04-13 17:22:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> remember we're not revoting here, checking in on fix status
2026-04-13 17:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2074
2026-04-13 17:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2359799) Inital-setup: VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST using nvidia hardware
2026-04-13 17:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2359799
2026-04-13 17:22:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, mesa, NEW
2026-04-13 17:23:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so the bad news is some folks said f44 is affected, the good news is airlied is getting somewhere on a fix
2026-04-13 17:24:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't think we can do much besides wait on him at this point
2026-04-13 17:24:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wonder if this is also related to the crashes people reported with slitherer with nvidia hardware too
2026-04-13 17:24:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks to everyone who tested
2026-04-13 17:24:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info bad news: it does seem this affects f44. good news: airlied seems to be making progress on a fix. we anxiously await more developments
2026-04-13 17:25:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2448283) Selecting a non-ASCII capable keyboard layout should automatically also select US English as a second layout
2026-04-13 17:25:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2448283
2026-04-13 17:25:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, plasma-setup, NEW
2026-04-13 17:25:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2078
2026-04-13 17:25:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> KDE folks, are we getting anywhere with this and the next one?
2026-04-13 17:25:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> cards on the table, if we get down to these two as the only blockers i will propose waiving them
2026-04-13 17:25:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know
2026-04-13 17:26:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Merritt seemed to think these would be difficult
2026-04-13 17:27:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, that was my read too, making this behave properly is more of a 'start over' than a 'quick one liner'
2026-04-13 17:27:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we are waiting on upstream to work out how to address this, but will consider waiving it as not fixable on a reasonable timeframe if other blockers are resolved
2026-04-13 17:27:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2453216
2026-04-13 17:27:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2453216) plasma-setup Keyboard Layout page pre-selection is broken - always shows English (US) if that is the system language, otherwise shows nothing
2026-04-13 17:27:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, plasma-setup, NEW
2026-04-13 17:27:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2087
2026-04-13 17:28:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we are waiting on upstream to work out how to address this, but will consider waiving it as not fixable on a reasonable timeframe if other blockers are resolved
2026-04-13 17:28:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455469
2026-04-13 17:28:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, plasma-setup, NEW
2026-04-13 17:28:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2455469) Configuring WifI network via Network pane appears to not work
2026-04-13 17:28:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2094
2026-04-13 17:28:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how about this one?
2026-04-13 17:28:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it sort of slipped off my radar
2026-04-13 17:30:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we don't know why NetworkManager is adding the plasma-setup user as the only authorized user for system connections
2026-04-13 17:31:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if that line isn't added to system connections, then it works as expected
2026-04-13 17:31:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> have we talked to NM devs about it?
2026-04-13 17:32:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't think so yet?
2026-04-13 17:32:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do we know an NM dev to ask?
2026-04-13 17:32:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we know it's a change with NM 1.56 as it doesn't happen with 1.54 in F43
2026-04-13 17:35:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> file an issue on NM upstream?
2026-04-13 17:35:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i guess we can do some bisecting...
2026-04-13 17:35:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info this seems to be caused by changed behavior in NetworkManager, but we don't yet know why it changed. we need to pull an NM dev into the discussion here and maybe do some research on NM changes
2026-04-13 17:35:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to look into NM changes here a bit and find a dev to poke
2026-04-13 17:38:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> thanks adamw
2026-04-13 17:38:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Accepted Blocker, uboot-tools, ON_QA
2026-04-13 17:38:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review/issue/2079
2026-04-13 17:38:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2448365
2026-04-13 17:38:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic (2448365) rpi4 fails to boot from usb drive after upgrade to RC3
2026-04-13 17:38:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> last one!
2026-04-13 17:38:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we need testers to confirm the fix here
2026-04-13 17:38:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info the fix for this is available for testing, we need Pi-owning folks to test and confirm
2026-04-13 17:41:58 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Is it included in an image?
2026-04-13 17:41:58 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I guess that wraps up today's meeting?
2026-04-13 17:43:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen er, probably not if it's only in u-t
2026-04-13 17:43:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> you could test rawhide  i guess
2026-04-13 17:44:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that'd be a good enough proxy
2026-04-13 17:44:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> or...hack up an image somehow? i dunno how to do that
2026-04-13 17:44:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 🇵🇱 | Nik Nikovsky [possible limited digital detox] nearly, yeah
2026-04-13 17:44:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2026-04-13 17:44:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2026-04-13 17:44:24 <@psklenar:fedora.im> there is previously rejected blocker as issue happened only at single hw, but now there are more affected laptops with 120Hz display: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441941 
2026-04-13 17:44:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ohhh right that
2026-04-13 17:44:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i forgot about that
2026-04-13 17:44:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and we actually only rejected it for beta, i think
2026-04-13 17:44:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> jforbes are you around by any chance?
2026-04-13 17:44:50 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> *the floor opens beneath everyone and they all fall into a dark pit*
2026-04-13 17:45:15 <@psklenar:fedora.im> I gave ntb to dracut developer its under debugging; not more info now
2026-04-13 17:45:15 <@korora:fedora.im> not agaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii,,,,
2026-04-13 17:45:38 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Kinda... On PTO helping a kid move
2026-04-13 17:45:56 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Looks like it may already be tested......https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-c4b1e19b5c
2026-04-13 17:46:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's definitely not
2026-04-13 17:48:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 😩
2026-04-13 17:48:09 <@jlinton:fedora.im> So, many of these problems would be solved if the GOP were the default device until switch root. 
2026-04-13 17:48:48 <@jforbes:fedora.im> So, problematicly, I have not seen a fix for this
2026-04-13 17:49:10 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> that was proposed a while ago as https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PlymouthUseSimpledrm
2026-04-13 17:49:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> do you have any info or thoughts about this bug as a final blocker? the 120Hz laptop display one
2026-04-13 17:49:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i remember you were against it as a beta blocker but not necessarily as final
2026-04-13 17:50:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it breaks other things though, so there's no winning
2026-04-13 17:50:43 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'd say put it off for now
2026-04-13 17:50:51 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Until you can find a proper solution
2026-04-13 17:50:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, we kind of can't
2026-04-13 17:51:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we need to decide blockery status now because go/no-go is thursday
2026-04-13 17:51:47 <@jforbes:fedora.im> adamw: I don't have a proper solution. Most laptops do not default to this, though I guess the new Lenovo does 
2026-04-13 17:51:55 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Most people still use 60Hz monitors, right?
2026-04-13 17:52:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably not?
2026-04-13 17:52:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 75Hz and 120Hz monitors are pretty common in laptops now
2026-04-13 17:52:29 <@psklenar:fedora.im> true, it seems that 120hz display are pretty new 
2026-04-13 17:53:29 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I'd say FE since monitors allow fallback modes 
2026-04-13 17:54:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we can punt it to go/no-go, i guess
2026-04-13 17:54:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but we should probably re-propose it, i'll do that
2026-04-13 17:54:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> It's actually not clear to me how you'd get around this in the "clean F44 install" case
2026-04-13 17:55:09 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Install without encryption I guess
2026-04-13 17:55:30 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> manually specifying a mode on the kernel command line might be a workaround too
2026-04-13 17:55:40 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Is this about 120Hz displays or encryption?
2026-04-13 17:55:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's a cmdline workaround mentioned in the bug i think
2026-04-13 17:55:54 <@kepstin:kepstin.ca> (i'm not sure if that's permitted on secureboot systems tho?)
2026-04-13 17:56:05 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> If the first, then I was thinking defaulting to like 60Hz on the first boot?
2026-04-13 17:56:06 <@jforbes:fedora.im> It is just about 120hz
2026-04-13 17:56:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, no, maybe not
2026-04-13 17:56:12 <@psklenar:fedora.im> its about 120hz display, you cant see typing your LUKS password
2026-04-13 17:56:14 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> If the first, then I was thinking of defaulting to like 60Hz on the first boot?
2026-04-13 17:56:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> encryption is relevant because it makes the bug more important
2026-04-13 17:56:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the bug always exists on affected hardware, though
2026-04-13 17:56:43 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> ..a password beep
2026-04-13 17:56:43 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> We could introduce a similar system that Lenovo laptops have.
2026-04-13 17:56:59 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah, you still boot into a system with graphics issues
2026-04-13 17:57:11 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> Or if the hardware is detected as Lenovo, display a warning
2026-04-13 17:57:16 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> And it's not clear that setting the refresh rate to something different works around the issue, if you can even do that on a laptop
2026-04-13 17:57:55 <@supakeen:fedora.im> Sorry adamw I was busy debugging some things with multipathd and the 7.0.0-rc kernel but the Pi USB bug has been tested by multiple people and confirmed to work.
2026-04-13 17:58:02 <@supakeen:fedora.im> (Way too late, but you know)
2026-04-13 17:58:13 <@niknikovsky:fedora.im> I guess that's blocker no 2
2026-04-13 17:59:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> derekenz has already given cookies to supakeen during the F43 timeframe
2026-04-13 17:59:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> niknikovsky gave a cookie to supakeen. They now have 6 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 43 release cycle
2026-04-13 18:00:39 <@jforbes:fedora.im> I can take a look at the current state when I get back to the hotel, but as I recall, the 120hz problem is still a problem in 7.0
2026-04-13 18:00:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info i have reproposed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441941 as a blocker since there's some inclination that it should block final. we'll discuss it at go/no-go if it can't be fixed before then
2026-04-13 18:00:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks jforbes
2026-04-13 18:01:00 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Meaning there is no real fix. 
2026-04-13 18:01:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if you could update the bug with whatever info you have on current upstream state it'd be great
2026-04-13 18:01:49 <@jforbes:fedora.im> But from the initial bug posting, no laptop defaulted to this until the new Lenovo that brought it back up
2026-04-13 18:02:07 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Will do
2026-04-13 18:02:13 <@psklenar:fedora.im> yes, issue is also with kernel 7.0
2026-04-13 18:02:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it does seem like still only lenovos affected so far. but now it's at least two lenovos. :D
2026-04-13 18:02:33 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Isn't it a Lenovo and a Dell now?
2026-04-13 18:02:42 <@jforbes:fedora.im> I think it is a specific panel model?
2026-04-13 18:02:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the dell was a different bug, wasn't it?
2026-04-13 18:03:01 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Yes
2026-04-13 18:03:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh no, first comment on this was an xps 13 plus
2026-04-13 18:03:10 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441941
2026-04-13 18:03:23 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Reporter is a Dell, and a Lenovo gets the bug after a kernel update on F43
2026-04-13 18:03:24 <@psklenar:fedora.im> the reported says "Intel-based Dell XPS 13 Plus (9320)" , I could see it with Lenovo
2026-04-13 18:03:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, sorry
2026-04-13 18:03:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so we have one dell, one lenovo
2026-04-13 18:03:47 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Okay
2026-04-13 18:03:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> wait, hold on
2026-04-13 18:04:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> are these actually both the 120hz thing? sigh
2026-04-13 18:04:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ugh, no. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2438442 was the bug where we actually decided it was 120Hz
2026-04-13 18:05:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2026-04-13 18:05:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that one was closed as fixed by https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/163098/
2026-04-13 18:05:21 <@psklenar:fedora.im> and when I connect external usb-c monitor. It displays there
2026-04-13 18:06:10 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> There is a workaround in the closed dupe
2026-04-13 18:06:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this one doesn't mention refresh rates at all
2026-04-13 18:06:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i might've given petr bad info when i said his was a dupe, honestly, i was getting confused with the other 120Hz bug
2026-04-13 18:06:49 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455924#c5
2026-04-13 18:07:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> looking at them again, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2441941 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2455924 don't *necessarily* look like the same thing
2026-04-13 18:07:26 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> They look pretty same-y to me
2026-04-13 18:07:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> different laptops...possibly somewhat different behavior (both have issues typing luks passphrase, but Jiri says the display is "blinking", petr says it's black)
2026-04-13 18:08:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Petr Sklenar when the bug happens can you type your passphrase blind? if so, do graphics work OK after that?
2026-04-13 18:08:11 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Given that the Dell boots to random-ish display corruption, ehhhh
2026-04-13 18:08:29 <@psklenar:fedora.im> yes, I could see just black. and yes you can type by blind
2026-04-13 18:08:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and after that, do you get a working desktop without graphical issues?
2026-04-13 18:09:28 <@psklenar:fedora.im> yes, than its working fine, just this typing of password
2026-04-13 18:09:40 <@psklenar:fedora.im> yes, than its working fine, just this typing of password by blind
2026-04-13 18:09:43 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Okay, probably not a dupe then
2026-04-13 18:10:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Not sure if that's good or bad :D
2026-04-13 18:10:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i think jiri said that even if he gets past LUKS, graphics are still broken in his case
2026-04-13 18:10:25 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> That's my understanding, yeah
2026-04-13 18:11:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, re-opened petr's bug
2026-04-13 18:12:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> not really sure we can/should block on either, though. i guess we can propose them both and discuss it thurssday?
2026-04-13 18:14:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, thanks for coming out, everyone
2026-04-13 18:15:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting