01:02:08 #startmeeting FAMNA 01:02:08 Meeting started Wed Jun 2 01:02:08 2010 UTC. The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:02:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:02:10 * rbergeron hands nb a # 01:02:13 #meetingname FAMNA 01:02:13 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:02:24 #topic Announcements 01:02:31 As it should be 01:02:32 #chair rrix 01:02:32 Current chairs: nb rrix 01:02:36 * ianweller 01:02:41 * mock 01:02:45 no roll call 01:03:01 Anyone have any announcements? 01:03:27 yeah 01:03:29 yes - j0hn is a new ambassador, give him a round of applause. 01:03:43 * mock claps 01:03:52 claps 01:03:53 * nb claps 01:03:56 hello all 01:04:11 three ambassadors were elected to the Fedora Board since we last met, congratulations to them all 01:04:34 and another was appointed :) 01:04:36 Indeed 01:04:41 * nb is going to be taking over shipping for the Central region soon 01:04:59 and one wasn't :-) 01:04:59 nb: can you find me a likeminded individual closer to the eastcoast 01:05:00 * inode0 bows down and kisses nb's feet 01:05:02 oh, i got an email about max's cc expiring, i assume ke4qqq is taking care of that? 01:05:13 hi all 01:05:17 * herlo is slow 01:05:18 nb: an email from whom?? ups? 01:05:18 ke4qqq, i told you will discuss at SELF 01:05:25 ke4qqq, yeah 01:05:38 i think it was for the fedora account...... i have an old account, but i never use it 01:05:42 I'll check expiry date, but hopefully inode0 will have a card soon and can handle it 01:06:10 Any other announcements? 01:06:23 there is still pork left 01:06:53 pack it up with dryice and send it to SELF for next weekend 01:07:14 #topic Events 01:07:24 +1 VileGent 01:07:35 the only thing on the agenda under this is Ohio Linux Fest Forms 01:08:36 I recieved the forms from Ohio Linuxfest this morning and forwarded to Max to get the table taken care of and hopefully we can be one of the first to get free electric as in the past 01:09:10 eof 01:09:27 anyone else? 01:09:43 * inode0 commends VileGent for always being on top of getting that conference arranged as early as possible 01:09:50 * herlo reminds everyone that UTOSC call for papers is going on until July 15 at http://utosc.com 01:09:58 eom 01:10:07 SELF is next Weekend, FossCon the weekend After then the summit 01:10:21 summer o fun! 01:10:39 yeah, if you can afford to get to it all :) 01:10:42 does everyone that needs swag have it? 01:10:54 ohhh media status? 01:10:57 hehe 01:11:02 We'll need some pens for OSCON in July 01:11:06 * ke4qqq is hopeful 01:11:06 But it's not pressing 01:11:21 * herlo actually sent an email today to the media replicators, should know the status tomorrow 01:11:25 lcafiero: I have some pens if you need some by then - though hopefully you won't be getting them from me 01:11:29 StabbyMc should be ordering more pens I think 01:11:41 * herlo thinsk the topic is different now 01:11:42 herlo: awesome - thanks - guesses at this point on availability by SELF? 01:11:54 #topic swag/media 01:12:10 * nb is looking at placing another order for buttons 01:12:17 We'll need some pens for OSCON in July, but it's not pressing 01:12:17 i need to call the vendor 01:12:24 (thought I'd put that under the right heading) 01:13:07 #info lcafiero will need some pens for OSCON in July 01:13:24 thank you :-) 01:13:28 ke4qqq: media could be likely if it comes by early next week, which is what I asked 01:13:35 #info herlo is checking on media status 01:13:55 #action herlo will let us know when he gets a response to his email from the media replicators 01:14:03 * nb fails at remembering to use meetbot commands 01:14:10 is there a backup plan if there isn't media available by then? 01:14:26 then = SELF 01:14:41 rbergeron, yes we have media burning party friday nite 01:15:02 or you can use F12 media :) 01:15:14 * herlo has plenty to share, well not a ton or anything 01:15:28 well - i have a bunch that you sent me recently as well, and some that i grabbed from rrix 01:15:41 ke4qqq, how much f12 have you have left? 01:15:42 true, I have at least as much as you do... 01:15:53 rbergeron: ^^ 01:15:57 VileGent: zero 01:16:00 * inode0 has no F12 media left 01:16:04 herlo: i gotcha 01:16:15 * nb has maybe 10 of each of F12 01:16:25 probably not economical to ship that, but i could if needed 01:16:27 i've got at least probably 75-100 01:16:33 plus what herlo has 01:16:35 You can also do what we did as OSCON last year -- we set up the mini with the live usb creator and made live usb sticks 01:16:38 in case of emergency 01:17:02 I have probably about 50-75 disks left if needed 01:17:10 so - i think we can probably group up on that after we find out status from herlo on f13 media. 01:17:23 send f12 media and we have a burning party friday night if needed 01:17:40 either way we need to get rid of the f12 media 01:18:17 does someone want me to ship mine to them? I probably have a total of 40-50 (combining all of the types) 01:18:38 I wouldn't bother 01:18:45 people will want F13 01:18:52 yeah i agree 01:19:20 yeah 6 months is ancient in the FLOSS world 01:19:42 we burned up F12 media pretty well I think - 01:20:07 okay - so we hope for delivery, and otherwise, media burning party? 01:20:25 yeah, and with the new method for delivering media for F13 I'm doing, I'll be holding onto less here and getting more to the events... 01:20:38 #info we are hoping to get F13 media by SELF, if not, there will be a media burning party 01:20:39 someone going can take F12 media, but I doubt people will really want it is all 01:20:40 new method? 01:20:47 rbergeron, yep 01:21:10 nb: yeah, just shifting media to focus on known events and then still dividing media up evenly after that 01:21:24 rbergeron, if you want to bring any f12 you have please do 01:21:41 mmm, but then i won't have room for cookies and shoes :) 01:21:46 herlo, oh ok 01:21:47 oh wait, i can stick them in steve's bag. 01:21:52 :D 01:21:58 i thought i was doing the cookies 01:22:12 nb: thank ya cutey pie :) 01:22:14 herlo, makes sense, instead of being like oh ok who can send media to X event 01:22:14 i might bring one box, you know, just so people believe that cookies exist. 01:22:22 rrix, i #chair'ed you 01:22:35 we are ready for budget review 01:22:43 yes no 01:22:50 nb: right, I'll be pinging event leaders when the media is ready, save SELF, since I already know where I'm sending that media 01:23:32 I need contact info from cprofitt and whomever we are sending the banners to for OSCON 01:23:59 that would be crossbytes 01:24:13 I bet lcafiero can get you that offline VileGent 01:24:21 I can get you that info, VileGent 01:24:30 herlo is right 01:24:30 Time to switch gears? 01:24:40 to? 01:24:42 herlo send a little extra for FossCOn to and i will send them the media with the event box 01:25:22 VileGent: we can talk about it afterward, since I need to send out a list of what events I'm sending media for anyway...and account for any others that haven't been provisioned 01:26:43 i think we can move on now :) 01:26:45 Okay 01:26:46 :D 01:26:53 #topic Budget Review 01:26:56 * rbergeron gives rrix the invisible pass 01:26:59 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget 01:27:17 * rrix yields to some FAMSCo'er? 01:27:27 * herlo spends monies 01:27:34 muuuuaaahahaaahaaaahaaaaa!!! 01:27:41 but all media was spent last Q right? 01:27:48 ke4qqq: yesssss. 01:27:57 that's how it appears anyhow 01:28:06 * rrix nods 01:28:29 rrix: what are you yielding for - famna decides how to spend it's own money 01:28:38 famsco doesn't meddle there, anymore :) 01:28:38 So, there's, like, nothing for Q2, do we have any ideas? 01:28:44 ke4qqq: I'm trying, I'm trying :p 01:28:49 buttons 01:28:54 Buttons! 01:29:00 well does fosscon have a budget? 01:29:04 * nb is going to talk to the vendor 01:29:06 #idea swag; buttons 01:29:08 OLF budget 01:29:10 we spending money on summit? 01:29:10 rrix, more tshirts OLF etc 01:29:13 #action nb to talk to the button master 01:29:14 * herlo wants to go to the Leadership Summit on Fedora :) 01:29:47 OLF -> Ohio or Ontario linux fest? 01:29:48 there are numerous events and I thought we decided to get pens and buttons this Q? 01:29:51 ohio 01:29:56 Ohio 01:29:56 http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/ <-- this 01:30:16 Isn't that part of OSCON? 01:30:27 pre-oscon 01:30:29 +1 on pens/button 01:30:43 so how much are pens/buttons? 01:30:43 Yeah, but like the day before or something like that. 01:30:48 #idea new order of pens 01:30:59 Who's behind the pens? Is that still inode0? 01:31:10 inode0: we still need to work on that budget 01:31:17 iirc pens like last time are around $1300 and buttons around $500 01:31:17 * herlo definitely +1s pens 01:31:20 and buttons 01:31:33 inode0: any benefit to a larger button order? 01:31:36 #info around 1300$ for pens, 500$ for buttons 01:31:40 do we have voice stickers yet 01:31:52 we can look but 2500 buttons last quite a while 01:32:02 Yeah, that's a boatload of buttons 01:32:14 and that is 3000 pens 01:32:38 That is enough for all of NA? 01:32:52 proable for a year or so 01:33:00 has lasted more than one year from the last order 01:33:02 standard or metric boatload? 01:33:02 rrix: for 9months+ iirc 01:33:03 * rrix nods good stuff 01:33:17 Okay, I've got a +1 on pens and buttons 01:33:42 yeah, we've only had the pens around 9 months but we still have some 01:34:17 they are in the pipeline - not really a decision needed at this point unless we want to up the order 01:34:34 I think that is sufficient 01:35:02 we can always get more later - that is enough to last a year more or less 01:35:09 sounds good 01:35:25 Any other NA events/budget items? Do we want to spend some time for discussion of Community Leadership Summit? 01:35:31 ke4qqq, did stabbymc order more stickers 01:35:51 I don't think so, rrix 01:35:51 VileGent: I have stickers from stabby 01:35:52 is there a request regarding the leadership summit? 01:36:06 * herlo is going, it's not a question. I'll take that offline 01:36:08 I think we'll roll that all into the OSCON budget 01:36:11 actually - is there a proposal 01:36:22 I'll get it all sorted this week or next.. :) 01:36:36 herlo, let's discuss later 01:36:38 lcafiero: good idea 01:36:43 but yeah, discuss later :) 01:36:45 * rrix nods 01:37:02 Do we have a set budget for OSCON yet? Do we want one? 01:37:12 Yep. 01:37:13 * inode0 hasn't seen a request 01:37:17 * ke4qqq hasn't either 01:37:28 Very observant. crossbytes and I are working on it 01:37:36 Cool beans 01:37:36 OLF is up 01:37:38 how does that work? Before, we just put in guesses... 01:37:57 herlo: for people there is now a clear process 01:37:58 #info lcafiero and crossbytes working on OSCON stuff 01:38:10 inode0: cool, I'd like a link to the process page :) 01:38:12 more or less based on the FUDCon process 01:38:19 inode0: ahh, nice. 01:38:20 * herlo likes 01:38:28 herlo: you were there and participated in drafting the page 01:38:32 :) 01:38:35 yeah, I realize now 01:38:49 :) 01:39:02 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees 01:39:42 inode0: indeed, I've seen that... 01:39:56 just didn't realize it was the same as FUDCon thing until now... 01:40:08 * herlo stops slowing the meeting down and shuts up 01:40:26 Any other budget items? 01:40:31 VileGent: you said you added the OLF stuff? 01:41:04 * inode0 will try to figure out if the Summit needs anything and have it next meeting 01:41:21 I don't expect it will need anything very substantial though 01:41:32 Good stuff 01:41:47 inode0: Red Hat Summit? 01:41:48 rrix my budget has been up 01:41:51 yes 01:42:00 #action defer RH Summit expenses to next week 01:42:11 VileGent: good stuff 01:42:18 we meet biweekly 01:42:27 er 01:42:29 efff 01:42:31 #undo 01:42:31 Removing item from minutes: 01:42:33 when we meet the summit will be happening 01:42:41 hmmm 01:42:54 the summit starts the week after our next meeting 01:42:55 inode0? 01:43:12 ok 01:43:20 if you want me to do it now I'll just request $300 in discretionary funds :) 01:43:37 :-) 01:43:39 according the demonjester is has swag going to the summit 01:43:57 we may need to send some f13 media 01:44:04 most supplies are in good shape I think 01:44:09 Good stuff 01:44:18 VileGent: it'll be there 01:44:18 media ^^ 01:44:18 usb sticks are ready to go 01:44:53 #info RH Summit seems pretty well set, defer last minute expenses to next week 01:45:01 why are we sending media if everyone gets a usb stick 01:45:17 we need a smallish amount of media for the booth 01:45:33 not everyone at the expo gets a bag, some people want DVDs, etc. 01:45:46 ke4qqq: i think registered people get media - i think expo attendees do not 01:45:47 ahhh ok 01:45:49 or, what inode0 said 01:45:59 * ke4qqq shuts up now 01:46:04 sure 01:46:08 :-) 01:46:39 Any other budget items then? going once? 01:47:02 twice? 01:47:20 Okay, next item 01:47:27 #topic Unfinished Business 01:47:38 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-05-19/fedora-meeting.2010-05-19-01.00.html 01:47:57 Anyone from lsat week's meeting have any business ? 01:48:27 I need a moment to talk about F14 schedule. 01:48:40 okay, shall we just go to open floor then? :) 01:48:51 Doesn't seem to be any carry over from last week 01:49:12 yes plz :) 01:49:15 kk 01:49:18 #topic Open Floor 01:49:21 * herlo wants to talk about the Ambassador Join process a bit 01:49:25 rbergeron: Go! 01:49:29 herlo: you're next then :) 01:49:34 cool 01:49:37 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start 01:49:53 I've been hard at work at some cool new pages for the Ambassadors Join pages 01:49:59 * rbergeron yields to herlo 01:50:04 it's more wizard like now and I'd like some feedback 01:50:12 * rrix goes to look 01:50:13 I got some really positive feedback from kital and co 01:50:36 if you have any suggestions, thoughts or improvements, please feel free to let me know, and make the changes :) 01:50:55 bochecha did teh forward and back buttons and we'll be updating those a bit in the near future too 01:51:23 if you haven't seen this, I'd really like you to look at it and send herlo@fp.o any feedback 01:51:24 Re: F14 Ambassador schedule - as most of you know, poelcat has schedules for most of the teams so that they can align their groups' respective deliverables. 01:52:07 Ambassadors have been asked to figure out what types of media are going to be produced by a certain date, so that the design team can have time to work on sleeves. 01:52:30 So - we need to pick an appropriate date, and have that - at bare minimum - be on the ambassadors schedule 01:52:41 * herlo has another thing when rbergeron is finished... 01:53:01 so that we can be part of this master schedule. 01:53:03 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-key-tasks.html 01:53:28 rbergeron: as for the media being produced, it's always just been Live 32-bit, Install 32-bit and 64-bit of the main spin 01:53:55 I'd like to see spins media, but we're a little short on time to dive into that I gues :) 01:53:56 is that what they want? Should we be providing them with these details again? 01:54:09 herlo: I think the date is the more important part here 01:54:25 Well - the date for that stuff is on the design-team schedule 01:54:34 but we need to be aware of that date - and possibly create our own schedule 01:54:42 rrix: I think the idea of putting together and marketing a particular spin would be awesome too, so one extra spin design per release 01:54:42 so that those things can be decided - and handed off accordingly 01:55:03 rbergeron: essentially, I need it about 2-3 weeks before release so I can send it with the final RC 01:55:14 this *has* *not* changed in 3 releases 01:55:48 so - http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-design-tasks.html has the current date of 9-21 - 10-05 01:55:52 but if we do a separate spin art, that could be something they could help with 01:55:56 for when design needs to create artwork 01:55:58 rbergeron: plenty early 01:56:14 so - what date is a good date for us to have chosen those specific spins by 01:56:23 just needs to also have that they will put it on the MediaArt page too :) 01:56:25 one week prior? 01:56:32 rbergeron: probably should choose now 01:56:37 in the next 3-4 weeks 01:56:50 let the ambassadors choose what bonus spin we'll be offering at events 01:56:52 can I add something here 01:56:58 inode0: yes please 01:57:09 herlo: so defer to list? 01:57:20 we might need to do some special spins based on non-traditional events that get sponsored 01:57:35 rrix: pretty much, but for F13 it's decided, but F14, would be nice to involve the masses... 01:57:36 those can't easily be planned this far in advance though 01:57:42 we need to at least wait for spins freeze, i'd guess 01:57:48 which is 7-27 01:57:53 inode0: ie Design and Security spins, etc? The "specialized" spins? 01:57:57 inode0: well, I think we can still plan something 2 months before release no? 01:57:58 and i'd recommend that that be the earliest point we'd pick a spin. 01:58:13 rbergeron: that seems reasonable 01:58:19 if we sponsor design folks to attend SXSW for instance, we should make a suitable run of the design studio or whatever it is called for them 01:58:36 sure but that doesn't have to work within a release timefram imo 01:58:40 rrix, i am thinking more kde xfce or lxce 01:58:44 that is what I just said :) 01:58:49 * j0hn would like to get started on an HPC sping 01:58:51 *spin 01:58:59 and will be in Austin for SXSW 01:59:06 VileGent: yes, kde is f13 if i can get it done this week 01:59:16 :> 01:59:20 * rrix dances 01:59:45 I gotta bail, but I'll check the notes and comment more after reading.... 01:59:53 okay, it's 7pm anyways 01:59:57 so 01:59:57 okay so - maybe 8-10? 02:00:18 * rbergeron votes for 8-10 to be decided on F14 media sleeve needs / artwork needs 02:00:23 +1 02:00:35 +1 02:00:38 who is going to communicate that to poelcat ?? 02:00:41 rrix: note it in the meeting notes plz :) 02:00:42 or rather, actually, that should be the deadline, it should be discussed on-list beforehand 02:00:43 * rbergeron will do that 02:00:51 yes - probably a week - 2 week window 02:00:56 ok 02:00:59 8-3 - 8-10 02:01:14 * rbergeron will get with poelcat on that, if everyone is kosher with that. 02:01:20 #info 8-3 - 8-10 discuss on-list about F-14 specialized spin 02:01:42 ke4qqq: since he's been asking on amb-list about it. :) 02:01:44 #action rbergeron to communicate schedule with poelcat. 02:02:02 oh, I wanted to share one more thing really quick 02:02:13 related to the KDE dvd spin 02:02:17 er live spin 02:02:19 herlo: go for it, but quickly :) 02:02:26 http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/Fedora-13-kde-live-booklet-inside.pdf 02:02:35 http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/Fedora-13-kde-live-booklet-outside.pdf 02:02:37 enjoy :) 02:02:41 not finished but close 02:02:50 herlo: You're awesome, btw :-) 02:02:57 hehe, tx 02:03:00 * herlo blushes 02:03:01 and leaves 02:03:12 Okay, folks, anyone got any last minute biZ? 02:03:17 You have ten seconds, GO! 02:03:21 none here 02:03:31 one thought about the special spins 02:03:43 just a thought, but what if the timing was staggered? 02:04:07 :) 02:04:11 not with a release but a few months after. it might coincide with a few confs that don't fall on release dates. 02:04:31 mock: that was partly my point too 02:04:33 and would give more time to get them out after the finals have been done 02:04:44 * mock missed inode0's point 02:04:46 which we make and when can partly be determined by need 02:05:09 Yeah, I think deferring them a little bit can take off some release-time crunch, and make things more need-based 02:05:19 that's all from me 02:05:36 Good stuff! thanks for coming, everyone! 02:06:00 thanks nb and rrix for running this show 02:06:25 +1 02:06:53 gn 02:06:53 Sorry I was fashionably late ;) 02:06:59 once 02:07:04 twice 02:07:09 and gone! 02:07:11 yeah, mostly thanks to nb :) 02:07:33 #endmeeting