01:01:47 #startmeeting FAmNA Meeting 4-19-11 01:01:47 Meeting started Wed Apr 20 01:01:47 2011 UTC. The chair is lcafiero. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:01:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:02:02 No, I should probably be pounded, is more like it. 01:02:09 Anyway, greetings everyone. 01:02:33 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:NA_Ambassadors_2011-04-19 01:02:35 #meeting-name FAmNA 01:02:43 There's your agenda 01:03:00 doesn't startmeeting do that, VileGent? 01:03:06 nope 01:03:24 * rbergeron takes the - out of meeting name 01:03:43 #meetingname FAmNA 01:03:43 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:04:11 #topic Announcements 01:04:24 Before we take up Scott's nomination, any announcements? 01:05:10 * lcafiero drops a pin 01:05:53 No other announcements? 01:06:35 * inode0 wishes he had one but doesn't 01:06:41 Well, OK then 01:07:19 On to Scott Williams (vwbusguy) then 01:07:33 oh, that scott 01:07:41 Indeed. 01:07:59 Anyway, Scott is my mentee and for the last few years he's been an outstanding ambassador 01:08:09 +1 01:08:48 He has spoken on many occasions in the Los Angeles area on behalf of Fedora and he has also taken SCALE ownership for the last two years, in conjunction with me. 01:09:13 I spoke with him at SCALE about whether he'd be interested in being a mentor, and he said he would be. 01:09:37 So I am proud to propose to FAmSCo that he be made an Ambassador in NA. 01:09:54 It's FAmSCo's decision, but I'd like an approval from 01:10:00 ??? 01:10:01 a mentor you mean? 01:10:10 FAmNA going forward to show that he has the support 01:10:34 A mentor -- in this case me -- can propose it, but it's FAmSCo's decision, according to kital. 01:10:48 I thought you wanted to propose that he becomes a mentor 01:10:51 not an ambassador :) 01:10:54 you are proposing to famsco that he be made a mentor 01:10:58 * VileGent makes to motion to support vwbusguy as a NA Mentor 01:11:08 inode0: correct 01:11:12 second 01:11:17 18:09 < lcafiero> So I am proud to propose to FAmSCo that he be made an Ambassador in NA. 01:11:23 ^^ i think that's where we got confused 01:11:25 :) 01:11:34 Oh. 01:11:40 Sorry if I didn't word that right. 01:11:47 * maxamillion is here .... late but here 01:11:48 * VileGent makes to motion to support vwbusguy as a NA Mentor 01:12:01 For those of you keeping score at home, I'm vwbusguy's mentor AND a FAmSCo member 01:12:13 I think we have a motion and a second 01:12:19 +1 01:12:27 +1 01:12:28 * inode0 is very confused about what we are doing 01:12:54 we're motioning that we agree that we like the idea and to send it to famsco for approval 01:13:01 we're sending a message to FAmSCo that we think that vwbusguy should be a mentor 01:13:03 I think. 01:13:08 do only mentors vote? 01:13:10 that is correct, rb 01:13:23 No, FAmSCo votes 01:13:48 well, fwiw, +1 01:13:51 nope all FAmNA ambassadors vote on this motion 01:14:08 And if there was a quorum at the last meeting, it would have passed, but I was asked to bring it back this week. 01:14:11 * inode0 approves completely of scott becoming a mentor but doesn't think a public vote is needed and in other cases could be awkward 01:14:20 +1 01:14:33 +1 01:14:35 Actually, we're not voting on scott's mentorship here, inode0 01:14:45 I know 01:15:00 OK 01:15:01 we are voteing on supporting his nomination 01:15:01 so if everyone here said -1 it would still go to famsco? :) 01:15:01 I don't think we should be voting on anything related to his nomination here is my point 01:15:09 So what are we doing then? 01:15:11 but I support him and hope famsco does too 01:15:15 Hypothetically, rbergeron, yes 01:15:54 * lcafiero takes the floor 01:15:54 I'm sure our endorsement helps 01:16:03 sure. 01:16:09 I think we're all +1 here, from what I can see. 01:16:47 I'm with inode0 on this one, I don't understand the point 01:16:56 OK, this is what we're doing here. We are sending a vote of support for scott williams to become a mentor to FAmSCo, who will vote on it the next time the get a quorum 01:17:26 lcafiero, it carrys move on 01:17:42 we have alot to cover tonight 01:17:47 I want to welcome SGS and jrobb to the meeting 01:17:55 I'd like to make sure everyone is clear on this, VileGent -- is everyone clear on this? 01:18:23 Or let me rephrase: Is anyone unclear? 01:18:27 yeah, I get it 01:18:46 just don't see the point but please move on because that's not entirely important 01:19:08 Right. Next time, I think we'll just skip this step and have mentors go directly to FAmSCo. 01:19:10 Thanks, all. 01:19:13 OK then. 01:19:57 #topic Events 01:20:35 Linux Fest Northwest 01:20:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxFest_Northwest_%28LFNW%29_2011 01:20:48 jsandys: want to take this one? 01:21:20 I think we are set, send the box and I'll meet you at the train station 01:21:56 Do you want to pick out some of the SXSW materials for printing? 01:22:14 Yes, that is on my list of things to do. 01:22:43 Also, I think we have more booth folks enlisted -- Adam Williamson has signed in since the last meeting. 01:22:52 I don't think there's much else to report. 01:23:16 So we can move on to the GNU South 01:23:24 yea to Adam, Tom and Jesse's help 01:23:51 Yep, I think we can kidnap spot when he gets there :-) 01:24:00 Anything else, jsandys? 01:24:09 nothing else 01:24:23 OK great. Thanks, jsandys, for all your help up there in the great northwest 01:24:33 Meanwhile in Spartanburg . . . . 01:24:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2011 01:24:51 rbergeron: is this yours? 01:24:54 oh we have meeting 01:24:57 apparently. 01:25:03 Just a few notes on this one: 01:25:18 can i get a chair so i can #info a few things? 01:25:20 * lcafiero is glad nb is here 01:25:24 * rbergeron doesn't know if she needs a chair for tha tor not 01:25:37 I don't think you do, but let me check 01:25:54 lcafiero, #chair rbergeron please 01:26:09 I believe info can be done by anyone 01:26:13 #chair rbergeron 01:26:13 Current chairs: lcafiero rbergeron 01:26:16 only #agreed and maybe #action require chair 01:26:21 whew. that was a guess 01:26:39 #info SELF 2011 planning is just starting. If you are planning on attending, please add your name to the page. 01:26:57 #info We also have space available for FAD activities on Friday, Saturday, AND Sunday, but we need to reserve that stuff ASAP. 01:27:18 #info If you have any FAD ideas, please communicate them, I guess either via email on amb-list or on the wiki page. 01:27:22 ke4qqq, was looking into the sponoring stuff 01:27:35 * rbergeron nods 01:27:36 hang on 01:27:41 well, nm 01:27:43 Ummmmmmmm. 01:27:50 I have a FAD idea that I'll be proposing. 01:28:02 But I think we want to avoid the "smorgasboard FAD" that we had last year. 01:28:17 But we will have a number of fedora speakers there, and spot is keynoting. 01:28:42 And I need to note that we need all the event box and banner stuff, unless someone wants to file that ticket and such for me. 01:28:54 But, last year the hotel sold out fairly quickly. 01:28:59 rbergeron, that has already been taken cared of 01:29:08 #info Hotel last year sold out quickly - please plan accordingly 01:29:25 I'd like to get it all settled out by the next meeting - sponsorships for people and so forth. 01:29:42 SGS monk and I will be at SELF 01:29:45 * rbergeron is inquiring quickly about the sponsorship status 01:29:56 SGS mock and I 01:30:29 well, I'll hear back on that shortly. 01:30:31 * mock chants a fedora chant 01:30:58 And we likely won't have media, so we'll probably be doing a burn party, I'd expect. 01:31:21 southern_gentlem: would you like to organize that part? I know you've mentioned it in the past and I have no idea what's required as far as organization / materials / etc. 01:31:30 err, vilegent ;) 01:31:46 herlo is planning on bringing media with him if ready if not we will have a burn party 01:31:58 note that booths aren't open Friday, but they are on saturday and sunday, but there are talks on Friday, including jsmith and stickster. 01:32:09 And talks extend through sunday. 01:32:21 f15 media won't be available by then? 01:32:23 So it's a bit longer than last year. 01:32:26 You might want to set up a machine to make usb keys and have people give you their thumb drives for F15 01:32:34 always do 01:32:39 Release is 5/24, SELF is june 11thish 01:32:43 We did that kind of thing one year at OSCON when we were without media. 01:32:52 mock: so it may be pretty close. 01:33:00 ok 01:33:24 #info Media may or may not be available (f15 that is) - herlo will bring some with if it's done, if not, will have a burn party, time/date TBD. 01:33:53 bring extra laptops for the burn party then? 01:33:53 That's all I have. I don't know if spevack had anything else he wanted to add, but he's rescuing his broken computer, and if he has anything else he can fill us in. 01:35:16 burn party will start as soon as we know media will not be there 01:35:21 mock: we shall see :) 01:35:23 OK, then. This is something that can be discussed on list between now and May 3, correct? 01:35:32 May 3 = next meeting 01:35:50 Yes. 01:36:00 OK then. 01:36:09 * rbergeron notes that there is one more event to discuss briefly 01:36:12 ! before we move on 01:36:14 that's not agendaized 01:36:18 * rbergeron points at inode0 01:36:38 inode0 - go ahead 01:36:47 The Red Hat Summit is in two weeks, so I just wanted to check on where things stand for that now? 01:37:09 just anything ambassadors need to help with ... 01:37:49 inode0: I'd really suggest that maybe we bring that up on the summit-planning list - since jsmith isn't here to help answer. 01:37:56 I think we need some immediate answers for some folks. 01:38:01 Including: 01:38:14 well, if someone wants an event box and such they better be getting it arranged if they haven't :) 01:38:18 Do we have anyone needing community-type access badges 01:38:23 inode0: i have already filed the ticket for that 01:38:34 vilegent should have that on his list :) 01:38:40 ok, good 01:38:42 event box is here at my house tablecloth with get bathed this week and box shipped to boston the first of the week 01:38:52 thanks VileGent 01:39:03 and I think we're going to have some leftover fliers from sxsw on hand. 01:39:04 always dependable and on top of things 01:39:10 since they're already there. 01:39:19 We have a full-blown booth, and not a table. 01:39:36 But I'd really like to start seriously talking logistics, if we want to have a fedora dinner or anything like that, etc. 01:39:37 so do you want the v-banners or not 01:39:39 Since it's *really* soon. 01:39:43 vilegent: yes please. 01:39:53 added to event page 01:39:55 Good for a BoF session, as inode0 pointed out to me ;) 01:40:26 -1 to dinner unless it is late Monday night :) 01:40:29 And of course, keeping our fingers crossed for peter. :) 01:40:40 inode0: you're getting in monday? 01:40:44 yes 01:40:53 OK, can we continue, folks? 01:40:59 Sure. 01:41:07 Great 01:41:13 #topic Discussion of Bids for FUDCon NA (at the request of the FPL) 01:41:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Olin_2012 01:42:08 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012 01:42:18 * inode0 would like to ask jsmith-away what sort of feedback he wants from us on this? anyone know? 01:42:30 Consensus-recommendation, I believe. 01:42:41 #link https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhtE3PhGXQCndFFhNmtEWEZYY1hQNEZuV05ZTEh3aGc&hl=en&authkey=CLuUobYF#gid=0 01:42:51 I think the plan was that it would be discussed here, and then at FAmSCo, and then jsmith would make the decision based on that. 01:43:00 ...but I also don't speak for jsmith. :) 01:43:00 * VileGent stepping back but still here if questions need to be answered 01:43:31 lcafiero: whoa, nifty. Where do the criteria come from? 01:43:59 I added the webpage, since someone else recommended using it. 01:44:00 * lcafiero points to rbergeron and says that she made this database. 01:44:10 Not sure who added that recommendation, but I redid it for NA instead of LATAM. 01:44:14 I believe jsmith-away recommended the database 01:45:00 If I am reading the wiki history correctly for the agenda page 01:45:20 So, for those reading the logs of the meeting, the spreadsheet is a grid with spaces for points 01:45:24 the criteria are: 01:45:30 * VileGent still playing hotels off each other at the moment highest price is $99 per night 01:45:43 located in NA, travel costs, local transport, accomodation, venue, safety, cost-transparency, thorough planning. 01:45:54 Do we just go through the list? 01:46:01 * inode0 gives both 100 points for being located in NA 01:46:16 inode0: I think the scale was 1-5 for LATAM. 01:46:23 And some actually got like, 3 points. 01:46:28 +1 inode0 01:46:31 I think it was more about convenience of location. 01:47:03 And in fact, since we know NA stuff is in NA, maybe it should be "convenience of location", if that's even applicable. 01:47:19 * rbergeron doesn't really know, and didn't really know about the spreadsheet until like an hour ago or so. 01:48:04 * inode0 thinks both sound about equally inconvenient in terms of proximity to airports and facilities for the events - judges that about a wash 01:48:04 So we can do one of two things here I think: 01:48:05 Okay, travel costs? 01:48:28 One at a time. 01:48:30 WE can go through the spreadsheet first, and then talk about other points of interest here 01:48:30 rbergeron: 01:48:52 lcafiero: okay 01:49:22 Is that OK with everyone? 01:49:33 * mchua nods, has both bids open here and can throw in reference links 01:49:49 +1 01:50:10 Good. rbergeron do you mind taking the reins on this one? 01:50:20 Sure. 01:50:33 Thanks. Go ahead 01:51:19 Do we all think that the "located in NA" thing is relevant? 01:51:31 Or do we want to change that to "convenience of location" 01:51:36 convenience is relevant 01:51:39 convenience to what? 01:51:39 * rbergeron wonders if they meant "location in LATAM" 01:51:56 and how does it differ from "travel costs" (since inconvenient places usually cost more to get to)? 01:52:00 convenience for those going to great effort to attend by traveling across the country? 01:52:09 convenience to multiple mass transportation options 01:52:31 Or we can just say "we think all aspects of locatoin are covered" 01:52:44 ok, so there's "convenience to get there" and then "cost to get there" - just trying to make sure we're all actually measuring the same thing :) 01:52:46 and skip that one. 01:53:23 * rbergeron will take a suggestion at any time, and really suggests skipping it since we don't know the implied meaning here. 01:53:38 * inode0 still thinks as a distant traveler that convenience it a wash pretty much 01:53:56 * mchua agrees 01:54:04 * mchua suggests looking at travel costs, where we can actually look at hard numbers 01:54:06 * rbergeron would like to get through this beforethe actual fudcon occurs :) 01:54:09 okay. 01:54:27 Travel costs. 01:55:03 Can we define this as "cost to get to major airport" since we also have local transportation costs, etc.? 01:55:36 rbergeron: +1 01:55:46 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Olin_2012#Transportation_to_Event 01:56:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Blacksburg_2012#Travel 01:56:07 mchua; thanks. 01:56:09 Thanks, mchua 01:56:26 For both of the locations listed by both (from LAX and RDU) 01:56:45 and blacksburg has boston 01:56:45 LAX: Olin - $289, Blacksburg - $441 01:56:58 VileGent: d'oh, yes, sorry - that's right, each location will have transit to the other. 01:57:24 RDU to Olin is $109 and BOS to Blacksburg is $299 01:57:44 Mostly because BOS is a bigger airport, I'm guessing. 01:57:48 yes 01:58:22 how far is boston to blacksburg compared to boston to toronto? 01:58:27 BOS is also potentially more convenient for folks coming from EMEA since there are plenty of direct flights in from major EU airports. 01:58:41 inode0: BOS to YYZ was a 12-hour busride 01:58:48 BOS to Blacksburg is... mapping... 01:59:07 ...12 hours. 01:59:10 about the same 01:59:12 I am wondering if a bus could again help save cost and build comradery 01:59:14 inode0: equidistant, approximately, in terms of drive time. 01:59:31 Depends on how folks felt about the bus last time. :) 01:59:38 without that clearly boston is net cheaper for travel costs 01:59:46 everyone I talked to enjoyed it 01:59:50 there was a Raleigh-to-Boston van for FUDCon 2009 01:59:53 RDU is pretty close for international folks, methinks 02:00:02 I would suspect a FUDBUS event could happen from RDU 02:00:04 herlo: yes, it is 02:00:06 and or washington 02:00:11 dc 02:00:17 yeah 02:00:50 Well, the bus can run in either direction, really - so the fact that busing is possible doesn't change the weighting of either location. 02:00:57 But it's an option to keep in mind, certainly. 02:01:09 fud bus routes -- (BOS - DC - RDU - Blacksburg) vs (RDU - DC - BOS) 02:01:09 no need to bus 60 people from blacksburg 02:01:19 well, RDU. 02:01:25 or there either 02:01:41 it is the westford crowd that makes the bus possible 02:02:13 one thing to consider is exposure, VT is a much larger school than olin iirc 02:02:24 Almost any school is going to be larger than Olin :) 02:02:28 I suspect the CS depts are similarly comparable? 02:02:33 rbergeron, i'm going to try my best to get media for SELF 02:02:37 mchua: indeed, just saying... 02:02:40 ok, here is all I want to point out 02:02:40 * nb has a few things to note during open floor 02:02:54 nb: thanks 02:02:56 OK, nb, so noted. We're not there yet 02:02:57 well we will proable be sponosred for the space by the MAthematics Dept 02:02:58 herlo: although, to even that out, the vast majority of TOS professors we're working with next school year are within a 2-hour drive of Olin. 02:03:02 Other Comment, I would like to see a performance of LLORK at Blacksburg 02:03:04 clearly if everyone travels by air or car boston will be significantly cheaper 02:03:22 Yes, let's stick to just the travel costs atm. 02:03:24 or train 02:03:30 Will someone propose some scores for each? 02:03:35 5 being best and 1 being worst. 02:03:40 a bus from boston to blacksburg would lessen that disparity and might have other good features 02:03:42 herlo: so I'd say there may be a larger number of already-ready-to-be activated profs in Boston, although I don't know much about the situation in VA. 02:04:02 i think both get 3s 02:04:24 I'm biased, but Boston is nearly half as cheap for airfare. 02:04:31 I say this is going to be a toss up and a preference debate anyway 02:05:12 And yeah, we could bus everyone from Westford, or we could save even more money by not needing to bus all the Westfordians. 02:05:14 * inode0 thinks it is fair to give boston the nod here on this point - cost of travel is only one factor to consider 02:05:22 I'm not a fan of the harsh December / January in Boston. At least with VT, I'd have a chance of warm weather :) (I note this is completely arbitrary) 02:05:34 Can we please take it one at a time? 02:05:34 herlo: I think that's for end commentary ;) 02:05:41 We should look at total cost to fedora 02:05:53 so I'd like to propose that we give blacksburg a 3 and boston a 4. 02:05:55 And move on. 02:05:57 oh, sorry rbergeron 02:06:10 jsandys: vs total benefit 02:06:13 +1 to rbergeron - that seems fair to me. 02:06:16 Is that OK with everyone? 02:06:21 +1 02:06:24 total cost to Fedora is the FUDCon budget wherever it is :) 02:06:39 #agreed Transport costs (as in airport to airport): Olin 4, Blacksburg 3. 02:06:42 sure, +1 on rbergeron's vote for costs/budget 02:06:48 Next up: Local transportation costs. 02:06:59 (if someone can update the spreadsheet forme that would be awesome) 02:07:08 (since my kids want me to make them spaghettios wihle I type) 02:07:24 Ok, so this is "how much does it cost to get from the airport to FUDCon"? 02:07:48 $3 on the smartway bus 02:07:54 and any other travel necessary - to fudpub and/or sites used for events 02:08:55 yes, mchua 02:08:56 * inode0 thinks this spreadsheet is really missing a lot of important stuff 02:09:05 inode0: i totally agree 02:09:14 $10 for an airport shuttle. 02:09:15 like what would make location X really great for Fedora's premier event 02:09:28 inode0: i think we can at least discuss those things at the end 02:09:31 which matter more to me that $10 for this or $5 for that 02:09:35 * rbergeron nods 02:09:45 I don't think the adding it up is the defining decision maker. 02:09:52 $2 on the MBTA if we set up ride-sharing (train stop is about 7 miles from campus) 02:10:00 inode0: +1 02:10:05 Let's try to move quickly through the numbers, then? 02:10:08 i have links for where fudpub will be with links to the catering 02:10:13 * rbergeron is trying ot herd as much as she can 02:10:25 (Are we trying to end within the next 50min, btw?) 02:10:37 lol fudpub :P 02:10:43 mchua, actually 10 minutes ago 02:10:43 hahahahaha yes, mchua. 02:10:53 In fact, we should have ended 10 minutes ago. 02:10:54 VileGent: Yeah, I know, just saying. :) 02:11:11 Just wondering how long we want to go on, for this. 02:11:36 I would like to propose that we not go on with this and that a special meeting be set up to take this up. 02:11:41 * rbergeron honestly isn't opposed to proposing having a special meeting 02:11:47 I think maybe a mailing list convo 02:11:48 and work out this spreadsheet business 02:11:48 +1 02:11:53 or +1 to rbergeron 02:12:06 decide if it's even relevant or if we need to revise things 02:12:12 Can we set a date by which jsmith will get a FAmNA recommendation? 02:12:17 Because I think w'ere mostly confused about hte process here. 02:12:37 I feel like the decision process has been slipping later and later, and dragging out, and to some extent, we... need to talk about it and make some calls. 02:12:40 I'm happy to lead a discussion on fudcon-planning about the decision-making stuff. 02:13:18 could we move this over there, then, as a separate meeting and finish up here? 02:13:28 move to #fudcon-planning? 02:13:29 I meant the mailing list. 02:13:35 Oh. 02:13:48 or we can go to fudcon-planning and discuss some of the criteria on IRC 02:13:52 Well, does anyone know when a decision needs to be made, as far as we're concerned. 02:13:59 ? 02:14:02 Holiday Inn @Blacksburg $126, @Boston Garden $195 02:14:24 jsandys: ? 02:14:32 lcafiero: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_organization_process says "10 months before FUDCon" 02:14:38 lcafiero: which, uh, obviously isn't happening this time :) 02:14:43 just some cost info 02:15:05 * inode0 is fine with talking through things - that has to happen sometime and he is sitting here right now :) 02:15:10 jsandys: the boston garden holiday inn is several tens of miles away from Olin's campus. 02:15:17 I'm fine with talking through things. 02:15:20 opps 02:15:37 At least those who can talk through things - even if we can't make a recommendation/decision/etc, can lay out info/options for those who do, later. 02:15:39 lcafiero: I'm happy to take the reins if you need to run. 02:15:48 just wondering, are there any larger events during the summer when i have time? :) 02:15:50 I do, actually, rbergeron 02:15:58 * rbergeron really wishes we had had some extra advance planning for this meeting. 02:16:00 If you would take over, that would be great. 02:16:16 +1 to extra advance planning, to say the least 02:16:18 jsandys i have room bids of most $99 per nite at THe Inn @ Virginia Tech 02:16:21 lcafiero: will do. 02:16:26 thank you. 02:17:00 rbergeron: not to complicate things but once this is over, there will be an open floor. VileGent knows what to do. 02:17:06 Elvis has left the building 02:17:14 So are we agreeing to scrap the spreadsheet and just talk through it? 02:17:16 For the record? 02:17:19 +1. 02:17:23 +1 02:17:27 yes please 02:17:29 +1 02:17:30 #agreed We are going to talk through the bids and have a reasonable discussion and scrap the spreadsheet. 02:17:38 Okay. 02:17:44 talk now spreadsheet later 02:17:54 I'm taking notes on http://openetherpad.org/fudcon-f16-bid-comparison for the record. 02:18:11 Do you each want to give a brief statement, or do we have particular points we'd like to discuss? 02:18:27 mchua, isnt meeting bot good enough for the record 02:19:32 I have been organizing conventions for the last 20 years and i know Blacksburg would be a great location for Fudcon 02:20:43 mchua, szdiallas? 02:20:55 * rbergeron looks for the points we'd like to discuss, merits of locations, etc, anything 02:20:57 VileGent: Meetbot's awesome - I'm taking these notes in a format that's easier for me to read 'em (and they're editable inline, too) and if they're useful to others afterwards, that's great too. :) 02:21:20 * inode0 would like to hear from mchua a bit about how she sees student engagement at Olin benefit FUDCon 02:21:27 Okay, I can do that. :) 02:21:36 * inode0 sees how it can benefit Fedora longer term easily 02:21:41 Olin as a location has several opportunities I think make it a great FUDCon location. 02:21:52 Aside from "hurrah, it's in Boston and Westford people don't have to travel as much." 02:22:20 * inode0 isn't persuaded by proximity to westford :) 02:22:59 So, we've been working - for the past... nearly 3 years now - with a group of professors at teachingopensource.org 02:23:14 getting their students involved in FOSS, getting them involved in FOSS - basically, how do we clone ctyler and Seneca? 02:23:31 A good deal of the active profs are within very close proximity to Boston 02:23:41 their students contribute to GNOME, etc. 02:23:51 mchua, sorry so the rest of the communty should travel because it is closer for redhat employees and get stuck in boston with a Northeaster? 02:24:17 and it's at the point where they kinda sorta know what they're doing but it hasn't really caught fire yet, they're excited and they're learning things but they haven't been able to meet anyone, connect up with others doing this sort of work. 02:24:52 If we had FUDCon in Boston, all these professors and their students would have it as a *big* milestone during the next school year - you'd see blogging, Fedora activity, students pouring into meetings to get ready, learn about what's going on 02:25:05 We've even got a journalism class this year, so there'd be tons of coverage and PR people can take back home 02:25:20 VileGent: I'm going to ignore that comment for now. :) 02:25:57 A Boston FUDCon wouldn't just ignite the FUDCon - it'd let us tap that energy for the whole 2011-2012 school year, and hopefully these schools would continue their activity past the school year. 02:26:18 * herlo feels some politickin' going on :) 02:26:51 Olin as an institution also has a lot of ties to local industry, tech businesses, and the education world, despite its youth and tiny tiny size. 02:27:08 herlo: Stop me if I sound too soapboxy. :) 02:27:25 mchua: so who would be handling al the students and professors? 02:27:33 mchua: I understand your enthusiasm for this, I have concern that it might be a disruptive thing to FUDCon business though so if you can help me see the nexus between this and *FUDCon* I'd be happy 02:27:35 and students pouring into classes and so forth? 02:28:02 rbergeron: re: students pouring into classes - it's scheduled right before the spring term resumes, so that's a non-issue 02:28:15 err 02:28:19 sorry, students pouring into meetings 02:28:28 mchua: what if they *all* show up? 02:28:31 * rbergeron can't type. this is the 14th hour of me working 02:28:39 rbergeron: re: handling the students and professors - it's not a massive untrained group that's getting dumped on us at FUDCon 02:29:13 these are professors - there aren't an *unthinkable* number of them, say half a dozen schools 02:29:42 and a good chunk of them have been watching and/or participating in FOSS for over a year already 02:30:00 and we're working with them - workshops, coaching, etc - through the summer and through the school year 02:30:03 injecting 50-100 non-Fedora people into FUDCon will cause issues won't it? 02:30:17