01:00:18 #startmeeting 01:00:18 Meeting started Wed Jul 6 01:00:18 2011 UTC. The chair is SGS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:25 #chair VileGent 01:00:25 Current chairs: SGS VileGent 01:00:41 #chair inode0 01:00:41 Current chairs: SGS VileGent inode0 01:00:59 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:NA_Ambassadors_2011-07-05 01:01:03 #meetingname FAMNA 01:01:03 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:01:50 FAmNA meeting is now, everyone. 01:02:38 Everyone ready? 01:02:43 Yes 01:02:57 yes 01:03:39 #topic Announcements 01:04:45 Anyone have any announcements? 01:05:41 Let me repeat; Any announcements at all? 01:05:49 I am here! 01:05:54 announce that! :) 01:07:30 Anything serious? 01:07:32 No announcements from me. Just College Park but I see Community Leadership Summit in http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/ at Oregon from July 23rd to 24th at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#FY12_Q2_.28June_2011_-_August_2011.29 01:07:35 That is all from me. 01:08:36 5 01:08:38 4 01:08:40 3 01:08:42 2 01:08:43 1 01:08:46 Then we go on. 01:08:58 #topic Events 01:09:10 Anyone got any events? 01:09:25 * rbergeron raises hand 01:09:35 Two, count'em, two. 01:09:37 Possibly. 01:09:53 So first up for discussion is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxCon_NA_2011 01:10:06 I've procured us a Booth (free), and we get two free passes, and that's it. 01:10:10 passes after that are $400/crack. 01:10:12 #topic *Linuxcon NA 01:10:39 yeah 01:10:47 o.o 01:10:49 The people currently signed up on teh wiki to work in the booth have already purchased their own passes, so I am assuming that they can spend time in the booth, but that they'll want to get their money's worth as well. 01:11:25 I'd like to see if any ambassadors on that side of the country who haven't been to other events this year might be interested in going and representing. 01:11:37 who else do we have in that area that can go 01:12:16 is adam not going? 01:12:19 I would go, but have no passport. Maybe next year... 01:12:24 inode0: I'm suspecting he is 01:12:30 inode0: i talked to him 01:12:40 he said "if nobody else was" 01:12:44 but he's not paying to go 01:12:52 and would like to see community folks get an opportunity 01:12:58 but to call him and go to lunch and stuff ;) 01:13:39 i would love to go but no passport here either. and SGS will be back in school 01:13:45 * rbergeron also notes that jim whitehurst is keynoting, and that karsten is speaking, among other folks, but karsten will be committing some time to teaching open source / posse stuff. 01:13:52 rbergeron: if we have any students on that side of the country its only $100 for them 01:14:29 kerrg: right, although there's also transport and hotel ;) 01:14:34 kerrg: nice to see you again :) 01:15:09 * inode0 is armed with a passport but wants to think a little more before volunteering :) 01:15:13 Anyway. If people are interested in volunteering, we proably need to sort it out in the next 2 weeks or so. 01:15:23 inode0: :) 01:15:29 Event is coming up quickly. 01:15:42 Though not as quickly as 01:16:25 *topic *OSCon 01:16:31 #topic *OSCon 01:16:31 * rbergeron hands sgs a pound sign 01:16:44 Okay. So THIS is coming up very imminently. 01:16:56 I haven't added it to the events page because O'Reilly folk STILL HAVENT COMMITTED TO A BOOTH 01:17:02 But I'm supposedly hearing back in the next few days. 01:17:06 I think she's sick of me harassing her. 01:17:37 But basically, once we have something confirmed, we'll have to pull budget and whatnot together fairly rapidly if people want to attend. 01:18:16 And I'm not seeing a whole ton of attendance tonight where I can see who is or isn't interested in attending. 01:18:27 Aside from people listed on the wiki page that sebastian pulled together. 01:18:30 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2011 01:19:00 Anyway. 01:19:10 Just keeping people up to date on progress or lack thereof. 01:19:57 Dammit... I am already working during these events. 01:20:05 Thank you, rbergeron. Anything or anyone else? 01:20:35 * rbergeron wonders if anything is going on with OLF yet? 01:20:48 * rbergeron looks at vilegent 01:20:59 I know docs is talking of having a fad. 01:21:17 rbergeron: yep mock, SGS, me 01:21:24 I think a lot of folks are waiting to see if their talks were accepted as well. 01:21:41 waiting for the spoonsorship forms 01:21:47 sponsorship 01:21:51 * rbergeron nods 01:22:00 the waiting game. ;) 01:22:05 i'm actually probably not going to olf this year 01:22:11 Rob usually sends them out this week 01:22:12 Clint: no UTOSC this year, right? 01:22:21 mock pout 01:22:21 rbergeron: nope 01:22:30 VileGent: lol 01:22:44 rbergeron: though we're starting the planning of UTOSC 2012, so you should hear some more from that soon 01:22:53 * herlo isn't too heavily involved 01:22:55 This will be my last year organizing fedora presents at OLF 01:23:17 herlo: okeedokee 01:24:15 * rbergeron doesn't know of any other events, offhand. 01:25:19 That's all i have. ;) 01:29:27 * inode0 does have a couple of budget comments in his back pocket 01:29:33 Excellent! 01:29:39 Let's move to the next topic 01:29:42 #topic Budget 01:30:53 So as some have heard the community credit cards are in the wild now 01:31:02 i think SGS crashed 01:31:38 We are trying to shuffle the UPS account around to start using the community credit card and we'll know if we have succeeded in a week or two 01:31:55 * herlo is excited for this change 01:32:26 The one slight downside of this is that the limit on the card is a bit harder to monitor with this so 01:33:01 you would like the total of anything we ship cc: to you 01:33:10 If any of the UPS folks are doing anything unusual in terms of volume it would be helpful to ping me to give me a head's up 01:33:17 * rbergeron nods 01:33:59 I should get weekly invoices from UPS which will help 01:34:34 But on occasions where other large purchases are being made, like $2k for t-shirts, we don't have that much slack 01:35:01 Yep. 01:35:10 we'll just have to see how this works - and figure out how to make sure it does work :) 01:35:28 Yeah - I'd just like to make sure that at least we're doing our part here in NA to manage our corner of the budget well. 01:35:49 Second comment I have is about t-shirts which we do have quotes in hand for now 01:35:55 I'd prefer if it was somewhat similar to how it was working n other corners of the world, but ... ;) 01:36:33 * inode0 would like to come back to rbergeron's thoughts on this in a bit 01:37:06 An order of roughly 300 shirts will run in ballpark of $2,000 give or take 10% 01:37:33 Our current vendor does not produce XXXL - so start dieting 01:37:54 heh 01:38:25 XXL cost more but we will bite the bullet this year to get a fair number of them as well as the other odd sizes we skipped last time 01:38:36 everything from S-XXL 01:39:16 * rbergeron nods 01:39:36 Does that include tax/shipping? 01:39:40 I would like to skim 30 shirts off this order to use in the second attempt to thank contributors making those available to them in some fashion, likely a lottery 01:39:42 Or is that a local vendor for someone? 01:39:57 inode0: I think that's a very cool idea. 01:40:06 rbergeron: it is a local vendor but there is still substantial shipping to get them all over the place 01:40:15 inode0: right, just making sure we weren't double-shipping ;) 01:41:02 * inode0 isn't actually positive if there is some shipping charge from the vendor or not 01:41:03 inode0: +1 for skimming off the top 01:42:10 that is all I have on this, do we know anything more about stickers? 01:42:19 StabbyMc: ??? 01:42:35 Yes. 01:42:36 StabbyMc: ping 01:42:51 One second, lemme pull it up. 01:43:02 have you had a chance to get any new quotes on stickers 01:43:35 Yes I have, just a sec. 01:43:54 First, do we want to upsize the voice logo stickers? 01:44:02 The first batch I ordered a while ago were 3". 01:44:06 How much does an upsize cost? :) 01:44:07 * inode0 votes yes 01:44:07 The last ones were 2.5" 01:44:40 rbergeron: an extra $158 onetime charge. 01:44:47 They still have the dies for the 2.5" 01:44:56 but they have to make new ones if we go to 3" 01:44:57 but the actual sticker cost is the same? 01:45:00 didn't we already to the 3" ones before the smaller ones? 01:45:14 inode0: different vendor. 01:45:32 * inode0 thinks the 3" ones are much better 01:45:54 if we reupped 5000 stickers at 2.5", it'd be 896.33 + shipping. 01:46:15 if we redo them at 3", that goes to a little over 1K. 01:46:29 ouch 01:46:54 I wonder if EMEA would like to split that with us? 01:47:22 or perhaps make it 10K and split it all over the planet? 01:47:32 #info 2.5" stickers $900 3" 1K 01:47:59 * rbergeron nods 01:48:03 10K would cost us $1276 at 2.5" 01:48:17 what about 16K? :) 01:48:21 Well - we have multiple fudcons coming up where someone can take them with to emea and/or apac 01:48:21 I think. the quote says that's for 1000, but I'm thinking she meant 10000. 01:49:02 Assuming it doesn't take multiple months 01:49:12 for? 01:49:17 making them :) 01:49:19 why are 3" better then 2.5"? 01:49:28 I think we should try to make stickers for the whole world 01:49:31 Last time I think I got them in 2-3 weeks. 01:49:53 inode0: yes, esp. if we can take them with on a plane or something - and if there's a good cost discount to do so 01:49:56 ours will be cheaper that way :) 01:49:59 lol 01:50:17 the 5k to 10k discount looks good to me 01:50:22 "Also, there is a convenience charge to other regions for our kindness in ordering" 01:50:25 ;) 01:51:06 in the past no 01:51:11 pass 01:51:11 Vilegent also wants some more key-cap sticker. 01:51:16 yep 01:51:34 Last time we did 250 sheets of them. 01:51:36 * inode0 suggests someone (and he'll do it if no one else does) that we ask other regions if they are interested on the list 01:52:23 on the other hand, why wouldn't they be interested - there are really nice 01:53:05 mock: in my mind it looks the right size in the center of a laptop 01:53:21 3" ones are quite a bit bigger than 2.5" when you look at them 01:53:45 * StabbyMc likes the 3" better as well. 01:53:46 #agreed Someone needs to be contract other regions about 3" Stickers 01:54:31 +1 01:54:40 I like your ideas. 01:54:41 inode0: meaning they cover up laptop logos...like apples and such? 01:55:18 2.5" probably covers those as well, it just looks small 01:55:27 mock yeah cover up the evil Empire keys 01:55:52 oops wrong sticker 01:55:52 mock: it is taste, I have seen both on laptops and I like the larger ones a lot better - just my opinion 01:55:56 VileGent, mock asked about the 2.5" vs 3" 01:56:34 Ok, so I'll finalize pricing on 10K 3" stickers then. 01:56:34 so, then it's just a matter of good/better pricing on the 3" stickers...cuz that's what it seems people like? 01:56:42 * inode0 wouldn't object to the smaller ones either 01:57:02 2.5" is ok but i think the 3" are better 01:57:04 StabbyMc: can you get quotes on 16k and 20k? 01:57:07 inode0: is it worth 10% more for the 3"? 01:57:15 inode0: sure thing. 01:57:33 640k should be enough for anybody 01:57:37 maybe 12k, 16k, or 20k 01:57:51 K. 01:57:55 3" or 2.5" 01:58:02 3" 01:58:13 both 01:58:16 setup fee is of no consequences with this volume - so ignore that 01:58:24 done, I think mock was the only skeptic. 01:58:39 If there's a materials difference, I'll err on the side of 2.5". 01:58:45 i was just wondering about the costs. that's all. 01:58:50 But I don't think there is based on my earlier conversation with them. 01:58:58 Ok, let's talk keycap sticker. 01:59:03 10% isn't of any consequence to me either - we are talking a couple of pennies difference? 01:59:27 #action StabbyMc to check pricing on 12k,16k, 20K of 3" stickers 01:59:41 K. 01:59:44 Will do. 01:59:50 Key cap stickers now? 02:00:15 i would like them better if they didnt have the white outline 02:00:37 that helps cover up the windows logo 02:00:53 VileGent: that's already in the quote. 02:00:58 So last time we did 250. 02:01:30 if we redid 250, it'd be $450. 02:01:41 If we upsize to 500, it's $490 02:01:51 Yup cover up the evil Empire keys. 02:01:52 so thats 250 sheets of 8? 02:02:20 VileGent, yes 250 sheets of 8. 02:02:25 why does doubling only cost us $40 more? 02:02:35 and does tripling cost even less? 02:02:42 baby, gotsta run. 02:02:50 5000 and they pay us! 02:02:52 doh! so close to an answer. 02:03:02 * mock withdraws his questioon 02:03:15 moar is better 02:03:40 small quantities are always wildly more expensive 02:03:50 yep 02:04:19 * mock votes for 500 then 02:04:28 good deal 02:04:28 ok, just one quick comment from me here 02:04:38 I can't afford all of this in July :) 02:04:51 lets get quoted on 1K 02:05:18 if that adds $100 go for it for sure 02:05:25 quotes this time, decide next meeting, order for august 02:05:43 +1 mock 02:05:50 I will be ordering t-shirts first and those will happen as soon as I can get it done 02:06:00 +1 02:06:16 if the stickers can wait for august I think we are ok 02:06:24 and i will be after you to get us at OLF 02:06:30 women and t-shirts first, stickers later 02:06:32 a table 02:06:43 or if we combine those into a worldwide order spevack or someone else will need to pay for them anyway 02:06:50 by the end of the month probable 02:07:23 well, maybe not - it isn't that much 02:07:39 if we want them in July someone else needs to help us out 02:08:18 ok anything else ? 02:09:11 let's wrap 02:09:18 Thank All for coming 02:09:23 +1 02:09:51 * mock grabs the last piece of bacon since no one else wanted it 02:09:53 FYI SGS got sick and went to sleep 02:10:01 VileGent, thank you and SGS for chairing. ;) 02:10:14 #endmeeting