01:11:41 #startmeeting famna 01:11:41 Meeting started Wed Mar 14 01:11:41 2012 UTC. The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:11:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:11:45 #meetingname famna 01:11:45 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:11:47 hrtr??? 01:11:49 #chair inode0 01:11:49 Current chairs: inode0 nb 01:11:55 i think he meant here 01:12:00 ahh 01:12:03 #topic rollcall 01:12:06 * nb 01:12:09 * rbergeron thought this was more new fangled acronyms, and is here 01:12:10 present 01:12:17 * Sonar_Gal 01:12:19 present 01:12:24 .fas graphitefriction 01:12:25 graphite6: graphitefriction 'Sarah White' 01:12:38 evening all 01:12:42 present "mario.balletta@gmail.com" 01:14:42 .famna 6 01:14:46 anyone want to talk about pycon? 01:15:02 .idontrememberthecommand 01:15:06 .famnaticket 6 01:15:06 i have no feelings either way 01:15:07 nb: #6 (PyCon US 2012, Mar 7-15, Santa Clara, CA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/6 01:15:41 they got the wares 01:15:47 i have no idea if they are sitll there, but i think they may be 01:15:51 or perhaps some of them anyway 01:15:57 wow, that's a long event 01:16:28 through the 15 01:16:41 * inode0 would like to get something of a report from someone 01:17:57 inode0: I will talk to abadger1999 about it, but iirc they may still actually be there, I seem to recall him saying he'd be out through middle of this week, which coincides with the fact that the conferences runs through the 15th. 01:18:35 yes, I just meant before we stop bringing it up :) 01:18:44 okay 01:19:25 anyone for 01:19:27 .famnaticket 8 01:19:28 nb: #8 (POSSCON 2012, Mar 27-29, Columbia, SC) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/8 01:19:44 possum con? O.o 01:19:50 makfinsky ... 01:20:21 oh, we forgot to ping people or do announcements 01:20:48 #topic tickets 01:21:11 makfinsky: we are on posscon so if you have anything? 01:21:33 I created the page, still needs some updating and info filled in. 01:21:59 I am still unsure if I'll be there. Customer is dragging their feet on that week. 01:23:09 ok, should we try to send some stuff with that still up in the air before then? 01:23:44 * rbergeron wonders if we send it to RDU to ruth - she is going, if not it could stay at the office until it's needed to be shipped elsewhere 01:23:55 Oh... I don't know. 01:24:07 I'd recommend saying it to Ruth if anything. 01:24:12 Er, sending. 01:24:29 * rbergeron wonders what is after posscon on east coast-area and looks 01:25:08 ok, can someone figure out what we should send 01:25:46 i can if nobody else can. 01:25:49 otherwise happy to delegate 01:26:17 we need to move on because there is important stuff coming 01:27:03 assign me and move on 01:27:15 * rbergeron will figure out if we've even ordered a table or etc 01:27:34 #action rbergeron will figure out what needs to be shipped to posscon via RDU 01:29:14 * inode0 looks around 01:29:28 .famnaticket 9 01:29:30 inode0: #9 (Northeast Linux Fest 2012, Mar 17, Worcester, MA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/9 01:29:35 *crickets chirp* 01:29:39 chanchito: where do things stand now? 01:29:54 my apologies, but unfortunately, i have zero media for the linux fest 01:30:02 rbergeron: ? 01:30:03 it's only a one day event 01:30:03 the media is shipped, it should be there thursday 01:30:06 Southern_Gentlem: ? 01:30:08 aaah 01:30:15 sorry folks , then false alarm 01:30:20 i should be all set 01:30:24 well, we didn't know 01:31:05 sounds all set then, so best wishes to chanchito at NELF 01:31:10 i will be recording as much of the event as possible 01:31:22 .famnaticket 11 01:31:23 inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:31:32 Jsandys: ? 01:31:33 i just put it in the ticket 01:31:33 HAVE FUN 01:31:37 thank you again! for all the help and babysitting 01:31:45 I updated the NFNW 2012 webpae to the new event standard. 01:31:52 chanchito: we aren't finished with you yet :) 01:32:03 I submitted a sponsorship to NFNW. Still waiting to hear from LFNW on sponsorship, and am following up. 01:32:31 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxFest_Northwest_%28LFNW%29_2012 01:33:08 let's discuss the budget 01:33:32 $400 for the sponsorship? 01:33:35 +1 01:33:45 Yes 01:33:46 +1 01:33:49 +1 01:34:07 +1 01:34:35 +1 01:34:39 * inode0 has some other things to say about other line items but is firmly supporting this one :) 01:34:43 I'm totally just copying y'all since I have no idea about budgeting :) 01:35:35 #agreed $400 for sponsorship at LFNW 01:35:49 No travel or hotel required for me, but should budget for a second. 01:36:05 One comment I have here is I would like to see "overruns" and "buffers" dropped from budget requests 01:36:21 if anyone runs over $100 we will cover it - but let's not budget that 01:36:29 can do 01:36:46 Need to schedule the event box to NFNW. 01:37:11 swag is handled outside the event budget - so do request the swag you want but we don't need it in the budget section 01:37:22 inode0: what about "group dinners" and so forth? 01:37:37 those seem to get added in sometimes, not always, etc 01:37:40 pizza or whatever. 01:37:40 that isn't in this budget that I se 01:37:56 i know, but i'm not sure if "buffer" sometimes includes that. ;) 01:38:01 top ramen 01:38:05 mmmm noodles 01:38:05 Saturday night is covered by the 'party' 01:38:26 I think people should probably request a dinner specifically if they want us to pay for it 01:38:44 But really the FPL should just take people out with on her dime :) 01:39:01 * rbergeron nods and agrees, that stingy lady 01:39:12 i'm just thinking more generally for others' education and events where say, she might not be 01:39:16 so lodging and travel is next on my mind 01:39:23 but we can certainly cross those bridges at some other time. 01:39:39 it seems we have a lot of new people, which is awesome, so maybe we should spend a portion of an upcoming meeting on "learn about the budget" 01:39:40 * inode0 thinks a dinner should be in the budget if famna is going to pay for it 01:39:50 or do a fedora classroom session 01:40:23 so there are two rooms and only one person listed so far 01:40:34 I guess I'm not eager to approve that 01:40:49 Budget is budget, I understand the purpose, just dont know how much is available 01:41:16 in fact, I'd like to see the Travel Subsidy Request section complete before funding travel items 01:41:33 logical 01:42:11 Jsandys: do you know some others who might be going? should we blast this out to the mailing list or blogs? 01:42:30 I'll work on it 01:42:48 I got an email from a Montana member today 01:43:29 this is a fair ways off so I think it fine to just approve the sponsorship tonight and deal with other budget details over time as it shapes up 01:44:05 Yes 01:44:25 agreed 01:44:56 ok, slight interlude and right back to Jsandys 01:45:12 .famnaticket 14 01:45:14 inode0: #14 (LibrePlanet 2012, Mar 24-25, Boston, MA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/14 01:45:44 i wanted to attend, i will be in austin, too bad, cause i have swag and the event box here, only 1 hour away 01:45:57 literally 45 min drive 01:45:59 * inode0 doesn't see anyone taking that and plans to just drop it from our calender if that doesn't change very soon 01:46:11 * rbergeron nods 01:46:19 agreed 01:46:29 agree 01:46:36 if i can manage to change my travel plans, even at the last minute, i would still volunteer to take this event 01:46:50 hate to see an event go unattended 01:47:12 ok, I'll give it one more week. If no takes by the meeting on the 20th I'll blow it away. 01:47:25 .famnaticket 17 01:47:26 inode0: #17 (Support for Linux Audio Conference (LAC) 12 to 15 April 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/17 01:48:01 This is a cool event and all I want to do is get agreement that Fedora wants to sponsor it (this is a no brainer IMO) 01:48:04 I am attending LAC and will serve as required. I can take ownership of the LAC ticket. 01:48:14 inode0, this is at no cost to us too, right? 01:48:16 please do Jsandys 01:48:17 thats even better :) 01:48:21 I agreee it is a cool even and fedoras name can go on it. :) 01:48:22 event 01:49:40 Yeah, the ticket contains information about a sponsor who has generously offered to cover our costs for this so there is no exposure in our famna budget beyond sending some media and swag 01:50:11 I'll submit the swag ticket 01:50:24 * rbergeron is worried about swag and media but i suspect we're getting there 01:50:38 and it is a small event as I understand it so Jsandys can tote around an event backpack :) 01:50:59 Yes 01:51:43 #action inode0 will update the ticket expressing our support for sponsoring this event 01:52:23 .famnaticket 29 01:52:24 inode0: #29 (Q1 Fedora Merchandise (Swag) Inventory) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/29 01:52:26 .famnaticket 30 01:52:28 inode0: #30 (Q1 Media distribution planning) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/30 01:52:34 * inode0 is speechless 01:52:51 * inode0 suggests someone else talk about this now :) 01:53:21 I got my ambassador kit so I have media now :) 01:53:47 do I need to note that on the inventory ticket? 01:53:54 no 01:54:13 we need to know what the regional shippers who have hundreds of pieces of media have 01:54:31 we can't collect 10-30 from ambassadors 01:54:54 inode0: laptop stickers that stabbymc has - are those case badges or the bigger stickers? 01:55:06 but without cooperation we are going to end up with zero stuff at an event sooner or later 01:55:19 inode0: i can attempt to write a blog post on it tonight and harass people into compliance 01:55:19 rbergeron: they are the larger laptop stickers 01:55:27 we have a ton of events coming and ... yeah 01:55:44 i'd rather not order more, but if we need to do just that, we should find that out asap too 01:55:47 maybe mail to the list they are on? I can't recall what it is called off the top of my head 01:56:43 * inode0 has asked probably 5 times and that isn't working 01:56:44 "byubetterwinthis@fp.o" 01:56:45 OH 01:56:59 well, i'll try some different harassment techniques 01:57:07 after dinner 01:57:41 I supsect vmbusguy has a full load whatever that was, maybe 400-500 01:57:50 oh, wow 01:57:50 vwbusguy 01:57:50 okay 01:58:15 someone else took media to scale as I understood it 01:58:19 I did 01:58:24 so I don't know where his would have gone 01:59:03 i will take inventory of everything leftover from my event and post the list to the event report before i return ship everything 01:59:44 chanchito: hang onto the event box if you can until we know where it should go next so we can have you ship it directly to the next person who needs it 01:59:54 and the leftover swag goes in the event box :) 01:59:57 and media 02:00:07 i don't have much media 02:00:08 we can send you a label to use to ship it 02:00:11 no livemedia 02:00:17 and maybe 200 install 02:00:23 nb: can you note it in the ticket :) 02:00:29 put it in the ticket please 02:00:38 https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/30 02:01:07 consider it done! 02:01:27 i was planning on stuffing everything leftover into the box 02:01:43 * rbergeron apologizes but needs to run and "cook dinner" for her family before they become very grumpy 02:01:57 buen provecho! 02:02:02 #topic Open Floor 02:02:14 i think my tickets are up to date. i will try and hop back on when i get to red lobster and am waiting for takeout to be ready 02:02:25 I have one item to bring up but I probably don't remember how it works now :) 02:03:10 I created a pinglist for famna last week for us to use to ping people for meetings in the ambassador channel at your option 02:03:23 sweet 02:03:25 .pinglists show famna 02:03:25 inode0: Members of famna: Southern_Gentlem inode0 rbergeron 02:03:41 you will need to add yourself to the list if you want pings 02:03:46 ok 02:04:09 Since I don't have all the commands handy I'll send an email to the list with them later ... 02:04:20 as long as the meetings stay where they are I plan to be here as often as possible 02:05:02 .pinglists add famna 02:05:14 should add yourself, try if someone wants to 02:06:23 .pinglists doping famna #fedora-ambassadors "you all just missed the meeting tonight" 02:06:40 .pinglists doping famna #fedora-ambassadors "you all just missed the meeting tonight" 02:06:51 .pinglist add famna Jsandys 02:07:04 if you peek in the ambassador channel you'll see what that sends out 02:07:10 .pinglist add famna chanchito 02:07:10 .pinglists add famna NiveusLuna 02:07:10 NiveusLuna: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:07:24 .pinglists add famna Jsandys 02:07:24 Jsandys: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:07:27 it is .pinglists 02:07:36 .pinglists add famna chanchito 02:07:36 chanchito: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:07:39 unfortunate s on the end 02:07:52 .pinglists add famna graphite6 02:07:53 graphite6: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:07:59 .pinglists add famna Sonar_Gal 02:07:59 Sonar_Gal: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:08:07 now I need to remember to do that before the meetings :) 02:08:21 or anyone can, so if you feel it do it 02:09:07 .pinglists add famna chanchito 02:09:07 chanchito: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:09:28 .pinglists show famna 02:09:28 inode0: Members of famna: Jsandys NiveusLuna Sonar_Gal Southern_Gentlem chanchito graphite6 inode0 rbergeron 02:09:38 that looks better :) 02:09:48 any other items from anyone? 02:10:02 i do have one 02:10:08 go ahead 02:10:34 is there anything for practicing setting up events other than actually setting up events? 02:10:51 i have this terrible habit of not attempting something if i think i'm gonna suck at it 02:11:12 helping someone else is good 02:11:36 maybe try to help out with TLF if you can? 02:11:59 find Southern_Gentlem and watch the master 02:12:24 most of us learn by doing one way or another 02:12:24 that may work 02:12:47 but being responsible is hard if you haven't helped at a booth before 02:13:06 i actually recruited some help from interns, 02:13:08 to have an idea of all the little things involved that matter 02:13:36 specifically because discussing fedora while trying to install fedora, and also give out fedora swag, requires some help 02:14:26 yeah, 20 people at the booth with 1 person working it is bad 02:14:27 pinglist add famna award3535 02:14:56 add a . at the beginning and an s at the end of pinglist 02:15:06 I wish we had a fedora faq to crib from at a booth 02:15:13 i'll have 2 people behind the booth and my laptops (tftp servers) to pxe boot and install fedora via KS 02:15:26 .pinglist add famna award3535 s 02:15:35 .pinglists 02:15:50 i wish i had thought of ordering the USB thumb drives 02:15:58 .pinglists add famna award3535 02:15:59 with the fedora logo 02:16:02 award3535: Nick(s) successfully added. 02:16:41 I'll mention is highly likely we will need to work with a more defined process in the future when using the Fedora marks 02:16:58 * nb doesn't think we have budget to order fedora usb thumb drives 02:17:03 they'd be nice, but are expensive 02:17:07 inode0, any update on that? 02:17:08 i can pay for them 02:17:25 i just didnt think of it until yesterday 02:17:37 they would go over well at a tech campus 02:17:43 nb: legal is still working on it, reported progress but no new version of it 02:18:22 using the fedora mark? 02:18:28 the promo industry is definitely not cheap 02:19:11 i'd buy it 02:19:19 im glad i got the fedora-business-card app working and ordered my first 1000 02:19:20 i'm considering buying a pa.c one 02:20:22 we can't just slap trademarks, wordmarks, etc. on stuff 02:20:56 i totally know that, i wanted to order and pay for the "approved" USB drive, the legit one 02:21:25 well, the marks wore off those before we gave them all away so I'm not sure I'd do that 02:21:25 i definitely do not want to be responsible for ordering unauthorized materials, no way jose, 02:21:51 ok in that case, too bad, they were pretty nice looking, i didnt know they wore out 02:22:08 guess ill order hats or something else 02:22:16 from the redhat site 02:22:27 they have the fedora hats in off white 02:22:27 if people seriously want some usb fedora branded sticks for a later event discuss with rbergeron about how large an order we can make when getting them for the summit 02:22:38 I doubt we'll order these at any other time 02:22:53 if it does come up again, i would like to chip in and order too 02:23:09 it will come up because we will make them for the summit 02:23:13 people ask me about the hoodies too 02:23:19 i bought 4 02:23:23 and had to give away one 02:23:33 the hoodies are really popular 02:23:41 people at work keep begging me for one 02:23:59 hard to part with good swag 02:25:58 ok, hey, ruth made fedora hoodies recently 02:26:13 awesome :-) ! 02:26:17 somehow I didn't hear about them so was left out :( 02:26:23 i will be contacting her for some gifts 02:26:32 i wonder if she has blue ones too 02:26:34 or maybe white 02:27:19 I don't know the details but they were giving them out at FUDCon to people 02:27:29 giving? 02:27:36 i thought people had to buy them 02:27:41 people who paid for them 02:27:47 i bought mine from ruth in person at blacksburg 02:27:52 ohh 02:27:54 oh 02:28:05 I didn't know she was selling them there 02:28:08 i paid 30 apiece 02:28:14 bought the last 4 02:28:22 i didnt find out until mark told me 02:28:23 * inode0 wonders how that works 02:28:26 so i flagged her down 02:28:33 on the last night 02:28:39 and got them just in time 02:28:48 like, did she have permission from the fedora board? :) 02:28:50 took longer to find a working ATM 02:28:51 inode0: i already told kristin to order for summit but i can see what she can do 02:29:13 a blue hoodie would be so cool 02:29:28 inode0: i think she asked legal for permission 02:29:33 rbergeron: did you already order some extras for us to use? 02:30:00 inode0: we never order extras, but we are free to do what we wish with the leftovers. 02:30:07 and can we change vendors? :) 02:30:17 any word about lanyards? 02:30:22 we are going back to brand fuel 02:30:30 sigh 02:30:35 yeah 02:30:39 who did them previously 02:30:50 unless there is some specific issue with that 02:30:57 the stuff printed on them wore off way too easily 02:31:01 expensive, but super fast processing and shipping, i'll give them that 02:31:19 inode0: the ones from last year? 02:31:22 yes 02:31:31 brand fuel is not last year's vendor 02:31:36 I gave some away at FUDCon missing parts 02:31:37 they were previous years 02:31:44 no 02:32:01 we used some other random people last year 02:32:08 I was sighing because I'm not a fan of $2 stickers we make for 25 cents 02:32:39 or $3 pens we make for 40 cents 02:33:00 good points 02:33:10 why? it's only a 700% profit :) 02:33:11 * NiveusLuna flees. 02:33:58 i still need to look into local lanyard manufacturers 02:34:11 chanchito: what about lanyards? 02:34:12 for cheapo stuff, not the really good stuff 02:34:28 i was wondering about ordering some lanyards 02:34:28 i said LAST YEAR that i'd do it >_< 02:34:36 The lanyards we made a couple of years ago were pretty expensive too 02:34:37 i'd love one 02:34:40 wow 02:34:42 figures 02:34:54 too bad nb ran out :( 02:35:04 inode0: i'm not a fan of their prices either, but their usb sticks dont suck, they do the work, and the money is budsgeted by others, and the vendor relationship exists so it makes it very easy. 02:35:20 and aiui they are far higher quality than what we did last year. 02:35:24 have got to go, dogs are bugging me to go out, see you all next week 02:35:31 rbergeron: if they made them in past years I'm ok with them for the usb sticks 02:35:40 past years were higher quality 02:35:46 I printed up badge stickers for LFNW last year, will share the template 02:35:53 where we tried to save money, a bunch are usb 1.0 vs. 2.0, the paint rubbed off, etc. 02:36:36 i need to go to bed soon 02:36:43 buenas noches! 02:36:49 inode0: i will look at the quote and see how much they run later tonight. 02:36:49 who wants to go for the record for the longest meeting ever? 02:36:51 y suenos felices 02:36:59 i'm game sir 02:37:01 Jsandys would like a fedora logo ball-cap to cover his bald head 02:37:11 * inode0 would too 02:37:17 oh, i would, too 02:37:20 but i'm not bald 02:37:22 the fedora hats from brand fuel are fine 02:37:32 i ordered 3 last month 02:37:38 yeah, I just want someone to give me one of those :) 02:37:40 and they are very good quality 02:37:50 * rbergeron did have an idea about some stickers she saw online which are essentially printed on postcards - sticker die cut on one side, and paper that is printed with info on other side. 02:37:54 they are good quality and reasonably priced 02:38:02 link? 02:38:09 brand fuel clothes are generally high quality 02:38:34 so here's another question, what about plastic ID cards, with pictures? 02:38:44 to wear in a lanyard 02:38:56 getting kicked out of the coffee shop, good night. 02:39:05 adios 02:39:10 rbergeron: we sort of made those before but mass producing single stickers was so much cheaper 02:39:38 we do have artwork though sitting around somewhere 02:39:53 inode0: really, nteresting 02:39:53 can i get a template? i have a designJet at hme 02:39:57 chanchito: did you get a fedora lanyard at fudcon? 02:40:01 yes sir 02:40:06 ben williams saved me one 02:40:09 made my day 02:40:25 * rbergeron thought it could be cool as a postcard thank you, or as a way to show features, etc 02:40:33 definitely 02:40:47 yeah, I agree with information on the back is different and interesting 02:41:19 i would like to try some different things, if we can, maybe for different audiences or targeted events 02:41:35 but food for thought 02:41:43 until i have a more concrete proposal 02:41:45 :) 02:42:06 i would like us to get keychains like apac did (although i know we can't use the redhat logo) 02:42:17 * nb needs to get busy on trying to find a supplier 02:42:18 ok, seriously 9:45 is the end of this meeting - but you can keep talking if you like :) 02:42:28 3 minute warning 02:42:51 nb: that would be awesome 02:43:25 yay 02:43:30 more peeps 02:43:36 we should just produce swag with hotdogs this quarter - no messy details to worry about 02:43:50 i have to jump off at 10PM and get back to work, so i'm out soon too 02:44:57 inode0: yes, and fun too 02:45:00 well folks it was fun once again, i plan to take lots of pictures at the event and video too, which i will post 02:45:02 #endmeeting