01:00:01 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:01 Meeting started Wed Mar 21 01:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:05 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:15 #topic Roll Call 01:00:16 hi 01:00:19 meowth. 01:00:23 present and ready 01:00:28 * Sonar_Gal 01:00:54 here from austin, texas 01:01:11 ready, but multitasking 01:01:14 * nb 01:01:26 Sarah sends regrets this week 01:01:55 #topic Announcements 01:02:37 If you don't read the design list you might find this interesting and I'm sure your feedback will be desired at some point regarding it. 01:02:43 #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2012-March/005316.html 01:03:32 * herlo is here 01:03:52 I hear some naming contest is now in progress as well. 01:03:58 A WHAT? 01:04:02 oh? 01:04:07 saw it today 01:04:23 something about F18 naming 01:04:36 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_18 01:04:57 inode0: I do have a few comments on Duffy's branding suggestions 01:05:12 herlo: for us or for her? 01:05:20 probably both 01:05:31 * inode0 gives herlo the floor 01:06:31 inode0: I will likely bring this up tomorrow at FAmSCo meeting too, but it seems to me we should be providing her with current logos we use, like the splatter t-shirt, the 'I f fedora' design, any other designse like that. 01:06:59 I would like to suggest that the NA ambassadors who have ordered swag or have ideas for that, send them to her ASAP so we can build a good library of stuff 01:07:11 s/stuff/logos and branding/ 01:07:16 inode0: done 01:07:44 * inode0 has a feeling things like the splatter probably won't land on that page 01:08:13 inode0: I'm not debating that, but rather stating that what we currently have in the field isn't what is there now and probably should be to some extent 01:08:31 but we do have lots of nice things already and a library of art/vendors for reuse will be very handy 01:08:47 indeed, that is all I am suggesting at this time 01:09:03 I thought the current shirt was there now? 01:09:05 * rbergeron notes that the i f freedom and i <3 fedora logos are on there 01:09:23 though the i f freedom shirt now has the riginally intended fonts 01:09:46 rbergeron: probably missed them, I did only scan them. 01:09:55 well, I wish someone had raised the font issue more directly with us so we could have fixed it 01:10:17 inode0: water under the bridge at this point, look to the future! :) 01:10:20 * rbergeron puts on her perky patty hat 01:10:22 inode0: I don't know that it would have been solved necessarily without some help form the deisgn time anyway 01:10:25 * inode0 doesn't really know the backstory of that issue 01:10:33 has anything been decided about the trademark issues? 01:10:38 trademark draft issues i mean? 01:10:42 nb: I don't think so 01:10:51 herlo: it could have been fixed before we ran the last batch is all I meant 01:10:53 I am guessing it's still in 'draft' mode 01:10:55 nb: i hope to have spot in the board meeting tomorrow with newdraft 01:11:07 inode0: yeah, for sure 01:11:16 inode0: but as rbergeron points out, bygones 01:11:26 ok, any other announcement type things? 01:11:40 oh, we're doing announcements? 01:11:41 oh! 01:11:43 I do have one 01:11:51 * inode0 observes we learn from past mistakes only if we notice them and try to not repeat them 01:12:02 * rbergeron notes that FUDCon Bids for NA are ending soon, see the announcement i sent out a while back 01:12:08 * rbergeron hunts for link 01:12:12 * nb wonders what bids have been submitted so far 01:12:17 * herlo notes he hates the new wiki addition crap! 01:12:26 nb: kansas state, I know 01:12:33 The Wizard of Oz bid is the only one I've seen 01:12:40 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-February/003043.html 01:12:41 s/kansas state/kansas/ 01:12:43 * ianweller goes back in hiding 01:12:44 about 30-45 minutes outside of Kansas City 01:12:47 #info FUDCon NA bidding ends march 23 01:13:01 south padre island 01:13:04 key west 01:13:12 chanchito: make them official :) 01:13:15 american virgin islands 01:13:26 throwing out places without bids doesn't make anything happen 01:13:41 i know just being a pest, sorry 01:13:54 chanchito: it's about "i'm in the location and i'm willing to make it happen and here are hte details of what we can do" :) 01:13:59 herlo: did you make your announcement? 01:14:02 * herlo wants to get help from the NA ambassadors on this -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Ambassadors_SWAG_wranglers_best_practices_%28Draft%29 01:14:08 inode0: yep, just now ^^ :) 01:14:40 essentially, I've been tasked with gathering best practices for swag wrangling, I'd love some feedback and such. the doc is only a few minutes old 01:14:53 feel free to edit and add to the talk page 01:15:02 thanks to all the ambassadors in NA for helping me put this together. 01:15:31 thanks herlo 01:15:55 something for us to look at right after we do these tickets! 01:15:58 indeed 01:16:03 #topic Tickets 01:16:14 .famnaticket 6 01:16:16 inode0: #6 (PyCon US 2012, Mar 7-15, Santa Clara, CA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/6 01:16:26 Mmmm. py 01:16:31 it is bad when I have these tickets memorized 01:16:54 * herlo suggests we close this fixed as it's over 01:16:58 anyway, this one is over and we have one report at least and possibly more coming 01:17:07 oh, a report, nice 01:17:11 * inode0 suggests not closing tickets until we get reports 01:17:20 * rbergeron would like us to think about adding the report link to the ticket 01:17:22 inode0: right, didn't consider that, sorry 01:17:23 nag nag nag until we get reports :) 01:17:23 so we have context on value for next time 01:17:36 lol 01:17:40 I did add the report link to the ticket 01:18:33 I also figure we'll leave tickets open for one meeting after the event in case people want to share their experiences here 01:18:48 post mortems are good 01:19:02 or retrospectives if they lived. 01:19:03 :) 01:19:05 .famnaticket 7 01:19:06 inode0: #7 (Indiana LinuxFest 2012, Apr 13-15, Indianapolis, IN) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/7 01:19:09 * rbergeron still loves to call them postmortems personally 01:19:18 wow, out of order 01:19:42 ILF is less than 30 days away, what is happening? :) 01:20:23 who are the likely suspects here? 01:20:49 bpepple i think? 01:20:53 although i haven't seen anything from hinm 01:21:02 no event page so I don't know much 01:21:21 idk, i wanted to go, but am having a lack of paid time off at work 01:21:43 threethirty is in that area too, right? 01:21:44 * inode0 can't believe nb is considering not going to ILF 01:22:04 yeah right. right in nb's back yard 01:22:12 Sonar_Gal, well...... about 4 hrs away 01:22:17 * nb would like to if he could 01:22:27 you can :) 01:22:41 inode0, if i had more vacation it'd be nice 01:23:00 idk, i will see 01:23:04 swapping hours with someone is always a possibility 01:23:28 I can get off work, just wouldn't get paid for the time off 01:23:37 is there a #nag or a #hint? 01:24:11 * rbergeron is usually the nag. or the hag, not getting any younger 01:24:15 * rbergeron pouts 01:24:23 #info nb might be able to go to ILF 01:24:24 there 01:24:27 #info ILF needs attention ASAP 01:24:46 .famnaticket 8 01:24:47 inode0: #8 (POSSCON 2012, Mar 27-29, Columbia, SC) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/8 01:25:04 makfinsky was supposed to let us know about this now 01:25:26 lsat week he said it wasn't looking good. 01:25:47 yeah, I'd say he's probably not going to make it. It seems to be in ke4qqq's backyard though.... 01:25:50 :P 01:25:52 i looked at booths and unless they have a .org thing going on, booths are like $1500, and everyone i've talked to has basically said "not entirely worth it" 01:26:01 ke4qqq iirc has to do cloudstack boothing 01:26:16 are we just skipping it entirely then? 01:26:20 it's *very* corporatey. 01:26:55 we could supply ruth or ayone who wants to go with some roaming ambassador stuff but beyond that it seems we are. 01:27:07 the opensource.com folks have a booth and we could supply them with goodies if we wanted to. 01:27:31 but if w ewanted to do that, i'd say we should just have our own booth, and if we don't see the value (or anyone wanting to organize it) then ... yeah. 01:27:36 i mean it's in like 3 days or osmething. 01:27:37 * inode0 thinks we are short of goodies 01:27:41 or next week, whatever. immediately. 01:28:06 we need goodies i think 01:28:14 although i have most stuff 01:28:22 i am out of livemedia 01:28:34 #action inode0 whacks POSSCON from the Fedora Events schedule but if someone goes and wants a small bit of swag to share contact us soon 01:28:46 well i think we are going to get to the we have no idea what swag anyone has ticket soon :) 01:29:01 not that soon :) 01:29:09 soon as in "tonight sometime" 01:29:13 .famnaticket 9 01:29:14 inode0: #9 (Northeast Linux Fest 2012, Mar 17, Worcester, MA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/9 01:29:25 * rbergeron applauds this event! 01:29:32 LFNW has received our sponsorship but is waiting for payment before we are listed on their website. 01:29:41 chanchito: great job, report logged in the event page, I'll close this ticket soon 01:29:57 Jsandys: we will get to that ticket in due course 01:29:59 jsandys: this is the east not the west one 01:30:10 * rbergeron notes we've all been guilty of mixing them up, lol 01:30:11 I put links to the sponsorship in the ticket, someone (Robin) else might be able to "add to cart" and pay it. 01:30:22 opps 01:30:23 Seems this event went well 01:30:29 Jsandys, i'd get with inode0 01:30:36 Jsandys, he's our community credit card holder 01:31:05 .famnaticket 11 01:31:06 inode0: #11 (LinuxFest Northwest 2012, Apr 28-29, Bellingham, WA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/11 01:31:07 he can do it or i can do it, let's hold off till we get to that ticket though :) 01:31:08 thx to everyone for making it work! 01:31:26 thank you chanchito 01:31:30 chanchito: it looked great, thanks for your super quick report too. 01:31:31 rbergeron, ok 01:31:39 okay, now we're on the ticket 01:31:40 LOL 01:32:17 Sorry, I am physically in another meeting. 01:32:39 Jsandys: np, and thanks for adding that to the ticket 01:32:40 so: did we approve this last week? i can't remember 01:32:47 * rbergeron doesn't see it in the ticket 01:32:53 if anyone has an event in Texas, I am here and willing to volunteer and assist while i am in town 01:32:55 we approved $400 for sponsorship 01:33:07 okay 01:33:26 but not rooms and etc. yet 01:34:37 inode0: i can pay the sponsorship, or you can, it's up to you. /me is happy to have one less thing to pay :) 01:34:38 I don't need a room but a booth second might. 01:34:47 * inode0 didn't really want to deal with travel until the travel subsidy section was complete 01:34:59 inode0: fair enough 01:35:24 so we deferred it until whenever :) 01:36:15 anything to do with this event tonight? 01:36:50 * rbergeron has nothing else really here, other than payment for booth itself 01:36:53 try the LFNW Fedora-project link in the ticket and see if you can 'add to cart' to pay 01:37:21 * inode0 suggests figuring out payment on the side here 01:37:29 .famnaticket 12 01:37:31 inode0: #12 (Penguicon 2012, Apr 27-29, Dearborn. MI) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/12 01:37:42 spot may be going, or may not 01:38:00 probably this is going to be a "send spot some swag if he goes" event 01:38:06 * rbergeron nods 01:38:15 .famnaticket 14 01:38:16 inode0: #14 (LibrePlanet 2012, Mar 24-25, Boston, MA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/14 01:38:16 i think he is still figuring it out, as of "earlier today" 01:39:07 [everyone looks at everyone else] 01:39:07 #action as threatened twice before inode0 whacks LibrePlanet from the events schedule 01:39:25 * inode0 also needs to remember to not say "this" in actions 01:39:38 context disappears 01:40:03 .famnaticket 15 01:40:05 inode0: #15 (Devopsday 2012, Apr 2-3, Austin, TX) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/15 01:40:20 i haven't rustled up anyone who is going 01:40:30 i am here in austin until the 9th 01:40:32 chanchito: how long are you going to be in austin? :) 01:40:58 shall we talk about this one for you chanchito? 01:41:16 or please take a look at it and see what you think? 01:41:22 i can assist, i don't have any materials with me, i had to fly here day after my event 01:41:38 sure 01:41:47 but i did bring my personal gear (hat, shirt, badge, hoodie, etc) 01:42:08 this isn't an event like NELF, so it doesn't really need the same treatment 01:42:10 who normally takes this event? 01:42:15 no one 01:42:15 nobody ever has. 01:42:18 aaah 01:42:31 so is it like a booth/table, or flying solo? 01:42:36 it's somewhat investigatory :) 01:42:39 it might be a good place to connect with some developers 01:42:52 chanchito: could be either. and yes, very developer / sysadmin oriented 01:43:08 more focus and stuff coming to us more than from us :) 01:43:42 * rbergeron notes that maybe reaching out more directly to ke4qqq other than pinging him in a ticket might get some extra context on this event 01:44:01 ill check out the link 01:44:20 since it's sysadmin oriented, i wouldnt mind at all 01:44:24 #action chanchito will investigate devopsday in Austin 01:44:29 and he's going 01:44:51 .famnaticket 16 01:44:52 inode0: #16 (OpenStack Design Summit & Conference 2012, Apr 16-20, San Francisco, CA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/16 01:45:21 rbergeron: you going? 01:45:33 I AM GOING! I will take some media with me (100-150 pieces) and some stickers and will be at a shared booth with debian and wikipedia and someone else, i forget who. 01:45:46 And hopefully some cloudy flyers that don't yet exist. 01:46:05 great, so you'll just chase us down for swag if you need it? 01:46:25 and create the events page :) 01:46:45 after you pay the bills and put out some fires? :) 01:46:47 I will do that yes :) 01:46:58 * rbergeron has her trusty fire extinguisher 01:47:05 (there should be no bills associated with this, incidentally) 01:47:12 i got the booth spot for free, which was nice of them. 01:47:19 since the only other option was paying 10k for a booth. 01:47:34 .famnaticket 17 01:47:36 inode0: #17 (Support for Linux Audio Conference (LAC) 12 to 15 April 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/17 01:47:47 Jsandys: you have anything to say about this one tonight? 01:48:07 LAC, I've booked a flight, still need to book hotel. 01:48:24 Trying to arrange a discussion about an Audio Spin and a PlanetCCRMA Remix while there. 01:48:37 To get more 'freedom' packages into into Fedora and let PlanetCCRMA take the rest. 01:49:13 * inode0 is eager to hear how this event goes 01:49:37 it is nice to get to go to some non-traditional events 01:50:32 inode00: i had started an event page but it's just not done yet :) /me puts the link in the ticket 01:50:40 I'll show off the tam-tam synthlab on the olpc 01:51:06 oh, that's in the ticket 01:51:08 i'll just shut up now 01:51:11 Would anyone help Jsandys get a swag bag prepared for LAC? 01:51:55 Swag would be great 01:52:03 i have a bag with some media and shirts and stickers that i can send over. 01:52:06 nb: you seem to have a nice assortment 01:52:20 ok 01:52:33 that is good too, just want to be sure Jsandys gets some stuff 01:52:38 in a bag you don't even need to return to me. but i am hapy to hang on to it for openstack 01:52:44 how many people go to LAC? 01:53:00 70 or so registered 01:53:01 * inode0 guesses very few 01:53:28 ooh, herlo has a bunch of swaggy things 01:53:34 hi 01:53:47 oh yeah, I was thinking herlo but said nb 01:54:02 do you want some? 01:54:08 * herlo delivers 01:54:17 :D 01:54:29 Jsandys wants some for a small event to just carry around 01:54:49 the Fedora harmonicas would be perfect 01:54:50 Does anyone need any yubikeys? 01:54:55 some dvds and stickers or pens 01:54:57 herlo: i would love some stuff, but let's see who needs what for which upcoming events. we'll need some for LFNW, i wouldn't mind having a bit for the openstack conf. but that's pretty low priority 01:55:00 we have a code for free ones that may or may not be valid and may or may not have any left 01:55:08 * nb should wait for open floor 01:55:08 * nb shuts up 01:55:24 * rbergeron hugs nb and sits in the "can't shut up" corner with him :) 01:55:47 #action herlo and Jsandys will figure out swag for LAC 01:56:05 um, what? 01:56:14 what is LAC? 01:56:19 linux audio conference 01:56:26 oh, okay 01:56:29 as in "jsandys needs stuff and you can ship it to him" :) 01:56:41 .famnaticket 29 01:56:42 inode0: #29 (Q1 Fedora Merchandise (Swag) Inventory) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/29 01:56:44 .famnaticket 30 01:56:45 inode0: #30 (Q1 Media distribution planning) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/30 01:56:55 media........ yeah. 01:56:58 i need to work on that 01:57:02 Jsandys: put in a famnarequests ticket and send me an email (herlo @ fp.o) with the ticket number plz 01:57:04 * inode0 thanks herlo for adding to this inventory 01:57:13 inode0: no problem sir 01:57:15 * rbergeron needs to update her number with what she now has after shipping media to chanchito 01:57:49 while nb is waiting for the open floor he could add some information to these tickets :) 01:59:03 i wrote in the media ticket just now 01:59:13 * inode0 is going to keep bringing these up so you might as well all give up and add the information to get me to stop it 01:59:24 once i am back in rhode island, i will count all leftovers and post a detailed inventory of the remaining swag 01:59:32 lol @ inode0 02:00:05 Is there anything else on events or tickets tonight? 02:00:25 #topic Open Floor 02:00:34 soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i asked vwbusguy and he gave some numbers as well, so i know he at least has some media 02:00:52 i will try and grab those numbers and stick them in the ticket, he's expecting ot have more time very soon now that school is done. 02:01:00 please carry on here without me for a couple of minutes ... 02:01:27 inode0, done :) 02:01:36 * rbergeron cues some music 02:02:42 nb: what was your open floor thing? 02:03:21 rbergeron, we might have some uses left on our free yubikey coupon 02:03:29 that they gave us for fedora contributors 02:03:37 try "fedora-dev" coupon code on yubico.com 02:03:41 to order one black yubikey 02:03:50 i'm not sure if the month is up yet or how many people have used it 02:03:53 if it works, great 02:04:19 nb: btw, I got mine 02:04:55 * herlo wants to remind people who are wranglers (or just have an opinion) to add their thoughts to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Ambassadors_SWAG_wranglers_best_practices_%28Draft%29 02:06:14 herlo: awesome. i ike the swag bazaar piece, i think that could be really beneficial for the folks in apac 02:06:17 and latam, really 02:06:38 since shipping for them is just so prohibitive 02:07:16 of course that means swag planning in advance - which is easier to do after identifying existing swag and determining swag needs well in advance 02:07:41 rbergeron: yeah, wasn't my idea, see the link in the header for that section :) 02:07:46 but I like it enough 02:08:29 * rbergeron nods 02:08:40 inode0: yeah 02:08:51 inode0: though i think in apac it's sort of like "we haz none" 02:08:56 but for here, certainly 02:09:15 One thing I think we should do is order things like case badges and laptop stickers in huge quantities here and send them with our carrier pigeon fleet to the other FUDCons 02:09:20 rbergeron: well, it's one of those areas where FAmSCo sees a need and I'm here to help make it better... 02:09:42 and everyone else can help too, so it's awesome! 02:11:34 so, any budget news? 02:11:47 cause you need budget to buy swag 02:12:08 herlo- I'll send you the ticket info (need to learn how to send private message in xchat) 02:12:28 Jsandys: Sonar_Gal email works 02:12:31 gah 02:12:33 lol 02:12:41 hi Sonar_Gal 02:12:54 Hello herlo 02:13:16 2 minute warning 02:13:18 battery is nearly dead, other meeting has ended and barista is kicking me out. 02:13:24 bye 02:13:45 * herlo is done as well 02:14:09 goodnight everyone! see ya next week! :-) 02:14:20 thanks everyone 02:14:43 inode0, :) 02:14:56 have a good evening everyone 02:15:02 #endmeeting