01:00:03 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:03 Meeting started Wed Apr 11 01:00:03 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:06 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:15 #chair rbergeron nb 01:00:15 Current chairs: inode0 nb rbergeron 01:00:25 #topic Roll Call 01:00:42 present! :-) 01:01:14 * inode0 waits to see if he and chanchito have the opportunity to change the course of history tonight by themselves 01:01:31 kind of here 01:01:46 FPL? 01:02:12 im very excited, i read through the tickets 01:02:19 #topic Announcements 01:02:21 i got off work early for a change 01:02:59 #info F18 Name Voting is delayed a bit waiting for legal review to finish - announcement will come whenever that ends 01:03:52 #info FAmSCo may be having a surprise election this cycle - waiting for the final decision from them regarding that now 01:04:15 * Sonar_Gal sneaks in 01:04:20 * jsmith lurks 01:04:22 If any NA ambassadors are interested in serving on FAmSCo I would encourage you to start thinking hard about it 01:04:44 Since you may have an opportunity in about one month to do it 01:04:46 * graphite6 is late but here now! 01:05:13 are we eligible? 01:05:23 yes, all ambassadors are eligible 01:05:28 wow 01:06:38 Historically FAmSCo has only had one election per year but they are planning a transition to electing ~half of the body each release and that may begin in this election 01:06:50 exciting 01:07:29 #info Another release slip, so May 22 is now the projected release day 01:07:36 yay 01:07:50 yay for another slip? :) 01:07:58 yay 01:08:00 stocking up on charcoal briquettes 01:08:15 * rbergeron pops in 01:08:17 * VICODAN2 sneaks in a few minutes late while running kde tests 01:08:20 ooops, i just realized what "slip" meant 01:08:25 no yay 01:08:37 ok 01:08:38 but yay for fixing more issues before release 01:08:43 #topic Tickets 01:09:21 I think we are open tonight, are there any tickets from the floor that anyone would like to discuss or work on? 01:09:46 * VICODAN2 looks at adamw 01:09:46 whatever hapened with ILF planning? 01:10:01 there hasn't been any that as far as I can tell 01:10:34 swag counting? :) 01:10:53 no one had updated the tickets since I last looked 01:11:06 hard to be enthusiastic checking since they never change :) 01:11:42 alllrighty then :) 01:11:58 VICODAN2: what? 01:12:03 yeah, nothing new on either ticket 01:12:12 i did mention i have swag at home, but i had to fly the morning after the event, and i have not counted the leftovers yet, so as soon as i am home ont he 21st, i will submit a count for us in the tickets 01:12:29 thank you 01:12:40 sorry about the delay 01:12:57 * rbergeron wonders if anyone's requested the event box for LFNW in a few weeks, will look into that... banners too 01:13:00 rbergeron: so how would you like to proceed with swag? 01:13:00 adamw: just thought you'd want to be a part of this meeting 01:13:15 i'm not an ambassador... 01:13:19 k 01:13:35 adamw: don't say that with such glee please :) 01:13:46 adamw is awesome, though 01:13:52 *clicks heels, waltzes out of room* 01:14:14 adamw is one of our ambassadors who just happens to not be in the ambassador group 01:14:20 inode0: not sure, really. i suspect we're low on swaggy type stuff. 01:14:24 heheh 01:14:27 lots of those sorts of ambassadors around 01:15:00 well, we could assume there is little information because there is little swag worth anyone counting 01:15:04 i actually wanted to join ambassadors 01:15:36 im hoping to get approval for the artwork necessary for quoting the frisbees and mini-frisbees in time before summer 01:15:40 * inode0 wonders if a swag decision meeting agenda will bring out the troops 01:15:48 inode0: i would suspect it might 01:15:57 sometimes, you have to issue direct orders 01:16:11 like we need a count of everything on or before xxxxxxxxx 01:16:14 * inode0 can only order himself around :) 01:16:33 * graphite6 responds well to hard deadlines 01:16:41 most people do 01:16:50 everyone is probably very busy all the itme 01:16:57 without deadlines I get easily distracted 01:17:01 ok, I'll create a new agenda item for swag decision making 01:17:03 graphite6: careful, you might wind up as a shipper or orderer of swag :) 01:17:17 lol 01:17:20 budget? 01:17:31 sort of need to know about that to make good decisions 01:17:35 chanchito: re: frisbees - yeah, we're already getting into summer 01:17:37 heh 01:17:40 inode0: HAHA HA HA oh god 01:17:41 rbergeron: I'm never careful, always jump in with both feet 01:17:53 the fact that it's raining outside tells me it's still winter 01:17:56 inode0: you mean "total amount for this year' or "how much did we already spend" or what 01:18:06 hey FPL! :-) i will be all over that task soon as i hit the ground back in new england, i promise 01:18:40 VICODAN2: it's 90 degrees where i am. it's totally summer :) 01:18:42 even how much would you think is reasonable for us to build the swag fortress with 01:19:13 rbergeron: lucky you, it's been pouring all day in silicon valley. 01:19:18 does anyone have an opinion on reducing the types of swag? 01:19:28 rain is supposed to be over in march, that's how you know it's spring 01:19:39 inode0: if we meet next week, i can pull together some suggestions based on budget 01:19:49 chanchito: even though the new guidelines for trademark use by ambassadors are settled completely yet please do drop spot a note and ask him to add frisbees to the approved types list 01:20:05 ok i will after the meeting 01:20:11 * rbergeron actually got some budget info from last year and she's trying to cobble it together into something more consumable for the wiki 01:20:21 I meant aren't settled completely yet 01:20:42 * nb suggests we consider ordering pens 01:20:44 and buttons 01:20:57 inode0: I'd really have to look at "how much did stuff cost in the past" before making any srs recommendations, but yeah, to nb's point, pens, buttons are a good idea 01:21:27 well, i pinched and poked myself several times with the buttons, so i'm for reducing cost and eliminating buttons with pins 01:21:36 chanchito: what are you thinking about wrt reducing the types of swag? 01:21:47 well items that dont move well 01:21:51 that stay behind 01:21:55 i don't know that we need to worry about "reducing cost", unless there's some better way to apply it 01:21:58 pens move well 01:22:00 hardly any pens moved at my event 01:22:09 interesting 01:22:12 yeah 01:22:15 honestly we drop things that aren't popular but buttons are generally popular and are very low cost 01:22:15 * rbergeron runs out of everything many times 01:22:35 chanchito, we discussed possibly/probably eliminating static clings 01:22:38 stickers, buttons and pens, leftover, but the shirts were ravaged by wild beasts and visigoths in seconds 01:22:40 i'd rather think about it as "doing better things with money" 01:22:47 * kk4ewt tattoos and maybe balloons 01:22:48 i agree 01:22:57 static clings were just... mehh, so hard to see in cars, etc 01:23:02 we shouldn't need any more tattoos for years to come :) 01:23:18 * rbergeron doesn't know if we have tattoos left anywhere specifically 01:23:29 i have some 01:23:32 i remember 01:23:37 and tons of pens 01:23:37 I sent about a billion of them to nb I think 01:23:38 i think there is about 200 in the event box 01:23:49 in any huge quantity more than a few hundred 01:23:52 i have a lot 01:23:57 okay 01:24:08 there should be tons left, thousands 01:24:16 balloons went over like lead which surprised me 01:24:46 case badges are very popular 01:25:07 * graphite6 luvs case badges 01:25:14 hats, shirts will always move in high demand, but expensive 01:25:40 we can't really afford to do what you did with shirts at most events 01:25:52 tshirts are very important to me personally 01:25:56 i had no idea they were supposed to be sold, 01:26:04 and we've never had hats in the 5 years I've been alert 01:26:04 chanchito: there not 01:26:09 otherwise not one would have moved without a contribution 01:26:27 we do not sell anything ever 01:26:30 all the other vendors/sponsors gave theirs away 01:26:32 chanchito: there are no rules about shirts needing to be sold - in fact i have never seen them being sold 01:26:36 so i followed suit 01:26:48 chanchito: your instict was correct :) 01:26:54 chanchito: we give them away, we just don't give that number away 01:26:56 thx robyn! 01:26:57 rbergeron: EMEA in the past sold theres for cost 01:27:04 ok 01:27:15 when they had their nonprofit 01:27:24 i think we could always get at least 7-8 bucks for a shirt 01:27:28 but we do typically just try to ... make sure that it's people we're having a serious conversation with. I've also seen things where "you only get a shirt if you promise to wear it the rest of the day and you put it on, right now" 01:27:39 we don't want to sell anything at events, it is bad enough needing to sell polos to each other :) 01:27:43 chanchito: the problem with selling is we don't have a way to take the money and deposit it 01:27:44 i'd pay money for a shirt over cost. 01:27:52 $10 = $7 cost + $3 donation 01:28:06 chanchito: we really have no way to handle the money 01:28:06 we can't take that sort of donation 01:28:09 right, i did do that, i managed to lure the head of the CS club at WPI and his entire group and they wore theirs 01:28:17 alright then cost + shipping 01:28:23 money order 01:28:28 made out to fedora project 01:28:32 mail to FPL 01:28:35 no? 01:28:39 no 01:28:42 ok sorry 01:28:47 lol 01:28:49 i was guessing 01:28:51 chanchito: we can't take cash donations 01:28:59 ok 01:29:15 if someone wants to pay for our booth or buy something for us we can deal with that 01:29:25 ok 01:29:46 i'll buy you a beer! 01:29:53 right. we can have people buy stuff directly if they really want to help out, but $10, $5 type of things ... we don't have a way to deposit money. 01:29:56 or accept it. 01:30:15 is beer accepted? 01:30:17 and doubt we're going to solve that probem in the next 30m. 01:30:25 :) 01:30:37 VICODAN2: do you really have anything productive 01:30:45 sure 01:31:19 kk4ewt: vicodan is considering appying to be an ambassador, watching the meeting. 01:31:23 ok move on. We had enough playtime 01:31:30 #action inode0 to schedule a future agenda item to make decisions about swag in NA 01:31:38 cool idea 01:31:58 rbergeron: thank you, im also a member of triagers. 01:32:04 VICODAN2: i know it. :) 01:32:06 and looking to become a member of the packagers group. 01:32:15 since kk4ewt is here perhaps we could pick a time for a SELF brainstorming meeting? 01:32:18 just finished kde test day 01:32:22 thanks rbergeron 01:32:27 yes! please 01:33:05 sunday at 7pm edt ? 01:34:03 rbergeron: is that workable for you? 01:34:05 * rbergeron will be in anothercityinaz on sunday but can try and pipe in via irc on phone, should be okay to attend 01:34:06 that would work for me 01:34:18 assuming i am not driving between mountains at those moments 01:34:36 should be fine :) that's 4pm here, i should be well on my way home at that point 01:36:14 i have a VE Session at 2pm so i should be home by then 01:36:20 #action inode0 will send out an invitation to the SELF brainstorming session at 7pm EDT on Apr 15 01:36:33 i think i can be there 01:38:26 ok, any further ticket business? 01:38:51 hearing none ... 01:38:53 #topic Open Floor 01:40:22 anything? 01:40:24 I'm going to do a screencast on why and how to do an event page on the wiki this week, I'm wondering if some of the ambassadors would like to review it before I release it into the wild 01:40:41 I'll probably have it done by friday 01:40:59 joanne diggs project lead for the ORCA, has told me several times, that fedora would gain additional acceptance by adding an assisted installer mechanism during boot 01:41:00 * inode0 thinks he will go approve graphite6 as an ambassador right now 01:41:25 great idea, i had trouble with my first one 01:41:34 and john had to baby sit my tickets, etc 01:41:39 i was a mess 01:41:39 inode0: wait till you've seen the final product :) 01:41:51 * inode0 has already seen more than enough :) 01:42:28 inode0: thanks :) 01:42:56 * rbergeron doesn't have anything else, but is looking forward to graphite6's screencast :) 01:43:09 chanchito: I'm pretty sure that is something that keeps coming up periodically 01:43:43 i figured as much 01:44:14 i wish this damn hotel would stop with the stupid frank sinatra music on the loud speakers, im trying to concentrate and the slow wi-fi is bad enough already 01:44:26 ay yai yai 01:44:28 sorry folks 01:44:32 rant alert 01:44:47 graphite6: I'm sure if you send a link to the ambassadors list you'll get lots of feedback 01:44:58 im excited about it 01:45:42 inode0: Yes, I'll want feedback in case I make a misstep...I don't want the wrong information to get around :) 01:46:24 ok, I'm done, who's next? 01:46:38 * inode0 will wrap this up soon, a short one tonight 01:46:47 yeah i got zilch 01:47:00 but first we need to thank adamw for making his guest appearance one last time 01:47:12 yay! gracias! 01:47:23 where's my appearance fee 01:47:23 thank you adamw 01:47:50 * nb thinks we will probably cancel the stamps.com account 01:47:52 lack of use to make it worth the 15.99/month 01:48:02 and welcome to VICODAN2 too 01:48:05 rbergeron, i think i'll need you to call them 01:48:07 * nb thanks adamw and suggests he join ambassadors :) 01:48:21 welcome! 01:48:25 nb: okay 01:48:33 Welcome, VICODAN2! 01:48:55 +1 01:49:18 now if we all +1 nothing people not paying attention will assume we are voting on important matters 01:49:30 +2 01:49:43 evil 01:49:46 lol 01:49:49 :) 01:50:05 -1 01:50:17 i strongly disagree, and furthermore, i think you're all idiots for even considering it. 01:50:17 #endmeeting