01:00:04 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:04 Meeting started Wed May 23 01:00:04 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:07 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:08 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:08 * MarkDude can handle the release party if you need VICODAN AKA dan408 01:00:09 award3535: i need your shirt size 01:00:10 * Sonar_Gal is here but going for a quick smoke 01:00:21 #chair rbergeron 01:00:21 Current chairs: inode0 rbergeron 01:00:30 #topic Roll Call 01:00:36 KK4ewt xl 42-44 01:00:43 * nb here 01:00:47 award3535: good 01:00:49 * j_dulaney waves sleepily but enthusiastically 01:00:52 evening everyone 01:00:59 Too much testing 01:01:00 Not enough sleep 01:01:08 * nb wonders what kind of shirts kk4ewt is getting 01:01:19 * inode0 is sleepy, very sleepy too 01:01:34 #topic Announcements 01:01:38 * MarkDude is here 01:01:40 wow sounds like everyone has had a rough week 01:01:48 nb the ones i have had 01:01:52 im pulling over.. traffic is disgusting anyways 01:01:53 oh 01:02:02 * graphite6 here but brain dead 01:02:08 are there any announcements? 01:02:14 not from me 01:02:18 award3535: Too many blocker bugs in F17 01:02:40 * j_dulaney wonders sometimes if he signed up for torture 01:02:40 LFNW I have not been able to reach anyone 01:02:51 ok im fully here mentally 01:02:58 evening 01:03:03 announcement: we are going to have a trimslice at self to demo fedora ARM 01:03:12 ianweller, when is fudcon meeting, smoetime tonight i think? 01:03:17 markdude: why not wait till next week? 01:03:21 nb: 2 hours ago :) 01:03:22 #topic Open Floor 01:03:31 * VICODAN pulls in to a parking lot and gets out of the car 01:03:42 oh it was here not in #fudcon-planning 01:03:44 Fair enough rbergeron . That would mean I am early 01:03:52 j_dulaney due you refer to the ticket I put on hold for F17 01:03:55 Maybe what inode0 said is really working ;) 01:04:56 * rbergeron has some stuff she'd like to discuss for self if anyone's interested 01:04:56 award3535: No, I refer to how little sleep I've been getting of late 01:05:20 Ok, been there myself, two jobs and no time 01:05:24 award3535: What ticket do you refer to? 01:05:33 please discuss rbergeron 01:05:35 rbergeron: the floor is open if you can get any focus is another question :) 01:05:43 HEY PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION 01:05:47 * rbergeron clears throat 01:05:47 Free media, one user requested 16 but now wants 17 01:05:48 * nb runs away 01:05:58 jk 01:05:58 award3535: The problem isn't two jobs, the problem is RCs coming out at night 01:06:11 okay, so: 01:06:12 First off: 01:06:14 * j_dulaney settles 01:06:21 ok folks lets get with the program 01:06:23 I ULLED OVER AND IM PARKED SO IM PAYING ATTENTION 01:06:25 suehle and I found a hot dog vendor finally 01:06:35 cool 01:06:47 woot! 01:06:48 * j_dulaney fist pumps 01:06:49 so I guess the question is: is the plan to give hot dogs to *anyone*, and then beefy buttons to those who donate? 01:06:54 hebreww national? 01:07:11 hot dogs for all! 01:07:15 I think we're going to likely have them set up at the park just across the street, since the hotel won't let us set up on site, and they hotel will only serve hot dogs at like, 20 bucks per person. 01:07:21 * Sonar_Gal sneaks in 01:07:29 inode0: or did you have something else in mind? 01:07:41 rbergeron: How much would this cost us? 01:07:54 I didn't really think about whether to give them away or just make the cart available 01:08:09 Would we supply meat and just pay for cooking? 01:08:12 doesn't matter to me much either way, free gets more takers probably 01:08:17 j_dulaney: $2/hotdog or $7 for drink, hotdog, and 2 dogs. 01:08:26 OHPC 01:08:38 one hot dog per child 01:08:39 j_dulaney: it's a real live vendor person, so we'd probably do "pay for the whole thing" 01:09:31 would if just be available for an hour over lunch or something? 01:09:32 rbergeron: I'm thinking hotdogs just for folks that bring in food 01:09:38 that said, I've requested the monies for it by major asskissing so that maybe we can get it out of no-our-budget 01:09:40 how many people you expect? 01:09:47 Or, what inode0 said 01:09:52 SELF expects 1000 people - i don't buy it at all 01:10:00 inode0: that is what i was thinking, not "all day every day" 01:10:14 Okay, in that case 01:10:16 i would say if we limited it to, say, 200 or 300 people 01:10:23 * j_dulaney says +1 01:10:26 the cost at most would be $1500-2000 01:10:34 and I tink that would be more than we'd get, period 01:10:34 can we pay for the first X then it becomes an open cart? 01:10:40 1500? 01:10:44 +1 Worth the PR 01:11:02 and that's "2 dogs drink and chips" ... 01:11:14 yeah with buns and condiments and drink and chips 01:11:19 ok, so $7/person basically 01:11:26 RELISH! 01:11:33 inode0: i think that seems reasonable. suehle also suggested that we might think about "showing badge" to avoid the whole homeless people showing up for 25 hotdogs 01:11:38 KETCHY KETCHUP 01:12:02 oh hai 01:12:02 well we could give people coupon at the Fedora booth for 2 dogs drink and chips 01:12:09 that was my other suggestion 01:12:09 * inode0 like badge or Beefy Miracle button 01:12:13 hole puncher 01:12:21 rbergeron: Can I dress up like a homeless person and show up for 25 hotdogs? 01:12:24 the ticket or button would work 01:12:34 or coupons.. 01:12:35 yeah, but I feel liek ... people might not get a chance to hit the booth until later on saturday 01:12:46 unless we put up a sign near registration 01:12:47 badge works for them 01:12:51 either way we'll need to spread the word in some fashion 01:12:55 so then just SELF badge 01:13:02 or BM button 01:13:07 Sign near registration should be doable 01:13:07 suehle also worked with Jeremy to get a blurb in the SELF mail about the food drive (thank you!) 01:13:14 if they give us food we can give them a hotdog 01:13:19 for some reason when i see BM i keep thinking of bowel movement 01:13:33 nb: LOL 01:13:34 think burning man 01:13:35 nb thats afterwards 01:13:37 we might could get something in the program guide if we figure out something real quick 01:13:38 * MarkDude prefers the full name or just *the Miracle* 01:13:41 yes, that was a nice blurb 01:14:05 suehle: do you know if jeremy & co. already printed the program guide? 01:14:11 i suspect the answer there is "no" 01:14:13 rbergeron, they have not 01:14:20 I am reasonably certain that it is too late for the program 01:14:20 nb: oh, excellent 01:14:28 rbergeron, they are working on drafts (I'm on their proofreading committee) 01:14:34 he wasn't willing to wait five extra minutes yesterday for room meeting times 01:14:45 * rbergeron nods 01:14:49 nb is clearly less impatient than jeremy :D 01:14:59 lol 01:15:06 * nb just reads it when jeremy sends me drafts 01:15:14 maybe we can print something and have it stuck in bags 01:15:21 or just grabbable at registration 01:15:30 or just signs all over 01:15:42 1st hour speakers can run commercials 01:15:45 * rbergeron wondres if graphite6 is here and has news about the buttonz 01:15:49 inode0: ooh 01:15:54 * inode0 planned to anyway 01:16:15 graphite6, is here 01:16:15 there was a design sent out but i didnt see any replies on buttons 01:16:17 inode0: and now i do recall that ou are in the first hour 01:16:20 not sure if they have news on buttons 01:16:24 miracle button is converting to CMYK as we speak and order being placed in moments 01:16:27 so is suehle iirc 01:16:46 graphite6 nice design btw 01:16:58 saw the proofs today, looks good 01:16:59 graphite6: awesome 01:17:08 graphite6: ... are you going? 01:17:16 thanks Vicodan! 01:17:24 NO :( crying inside 01:17:26 graphite6: busy day, but ship wherever it is convenient for you 01:17:28 +1 buttons 01:17:31 I've a wedding in Dallas 01:17:36 oh, that's right. 01:17:39 Fooey. 01:17:52 shipping, gotcha 01:18:01 btw, did the Atlanta office get the pens? 01:18:18 #action nb needs shipping addresses to send case badges to 01:18:20 * nb has 10,000 of them 01:18:24 scott said something to me but I wasn't paying attention :( 01:18:45 * inode0 was paying attention but not to scott :) 01:18:48 * rbergeron is not sure offhand 01:19:14 * rbergeron notes that the stickers shipped yseterday from ... whatchacallit 01:19:19 stickergiant 01:19:21 something was here and something would be here soon I think was the message 01:19:25 #action graphite6 will get the Miracle buttons to SELF by land or sea or acts of craziness :D 01:19:33 graphite6: where are you at? 01:19:41 Washington DC 01:19:54 and I know there are people here going to SELF :D 01:20:01 here as in DC 01:20:03 makfinsky I hope 01:20:08 well, I am sure that you could mail them to someone going, but you could hand them off to any of thos epeople attending also 01:20:13 stickster lives nearby 01:20:14 graphite6, either that or ping me and i can send you UPS label 01:20:46 if I can't hand them off, I've got no problem shipping them down 01:20:56 okay. well, i don't have much more on SELF, I thin kthat's it. 01:21:05 I'm still waiting to hear from the flks at OSCON if we qualified for a booth. 01:21:11 what about Beefy cutout? 01:21:40 We have a trimslice coming 01:21:48 ordered yesterday 01:21:52 oh, I lied! We didn't get a booth. I just received the mail a few hours ago. 01:21:53 greetings all, apologies for being late! 01:21:56 * MarkDude would like to know on OSCON 01:21:56 Coolness 01:21:58 is a trimslice a usb thin client? 01:21:59 So I will see about paying for a booth. 01:22:01 yes, what about the beefy standup? 01:22:07 graphite6, its an ARM machine 01:22:13 suehle: can you talk about the beefy standup 01:22:14 markdude you hear anything from hackerdojo? 01:22:19 has people gonna be there - that have offered to wear cutom shirts if need be 01:22:24 nb: gotcha 01:22:28 not yet VICODAN 01:22:31 k 01:22:39 graphite6, we want a pi (or several), but they are hard to get right now 01:22:52 hey markdude! 01:23:20 * inode0 plans to contact food pantry Friday on his day off 01:23:21 well, if she's not here: ruth found a place that has standup cutouts. They were reasonably inexpensive... i was to say 2-300 bucks for a miracle that is 5 or 6 feet tall 01:23:32 i think she was just working out "how to handle the skinny legs and arms so they don't break off" 01:23:33 Hello chanchito 01:23:42 rbergeron: add more meat to 'em 01:24:04 more supporting relish 01:24:07 ianweller: perhaps you could halp out there. :) 01:24:15 oh, hrmmmm 01:24:15 yeah 01:24:19 i can provide a better cut line or something 01:24:19 use herlo or my arms and legs as models 01:24:30 You know, if black and white was fine, I could do standups 01:24:32 * nb thinks that inode0 ordered the opentrackers so we can demo APRS at SELF 01:24:43 * j_dulaney has a good relationship with a local engineer 01:24:43 yep he did 01:24:59 kk4ewt, did we get the USB ones? 01:25:15 hey ben, did the event box arrive and the banners? 01:25:19 kk4ewt, hey, do you happen to have a monitor you can bring to SELF? 01:25:26 BTW, I am on the list to get a Raspberry Pi 01:25:30 chanchito: yep got them and repacked the box 01:25:37 speaking of that shipping 01:25:45 awesome ben, thank you sir! i tried to make it as neat as possible 01:25:47 nb: I might have a monitor 01:25:57 there was an additional charge added to something for not being in a cardboard box 01:25:59 nb yes i can bring a monitor 01:26:01 nb: Do you need keyboard and mouse, as well? 01:26:09 what wasn't shipped in cardboard? 01:26:11 rbergeron: sorry, slow coming back. I believe the actual price is $129 for a 72" Beefy standup 01:26:11 j_dulaney, if you want 01:26:13 inode0: weigh overage 01:26:24 i sent the label for 50 01:26:26 not weight, packaging according to my bill 01:26:28 and it was 58 01:26:35 We can either do him with a glow around the arms and legs, or a batman-style POW burst to make the arms and legs more... good 01:26:42 it specifically said it wasn't shipped in a cardboard container 01:26:51 j_dulaney, i could bring the Red Hat keyboard that spot gave me at FUDCon 01:26:54 suehle: Can we do both? 01:26:58 j_dulaney, but we do need a mouse unless i buy one 01:27:15 inode0: i think i would complain on that because it is airline approved 01:27:19 so kk4ewt or j_dulaney whoever can bring one would be nice 01:27:22 we can do whatever... but I think both might seem like a bit much? 01:27:22 nb: If kk4ewt gets the monitor, I'll bring a mouse to donate 01:27:30 kk4ewt, were the banners in cardboard? 01:27:40 kk4ewt: I could not tell if it was the event box or the banners that they complained about 01:27:44 suehle: thank you 01:27:47 yep banners where in a box 01:27:49 j_dulaney, make sure its usb plz 01:28:07 box was the box the banners were in a box 01:28:07 nb: I have several USB mice 01:28:18 * nb thinks ups just likes to add fees for everything now 01:28:23 i packed the banners myself in a large cardboard box (cisco box) and added bubble wrap 01:28:41 well, the event box usually costs more than $20 to ship 01:28:48 chanchito: didnt get the box they were shipped in then i take it 01:29:07 i did not have the original packaging for the banners, my neighbor's grandson only brought over the banners 01:29:26 so i shipped them in a new box, a cisco box from my data center 01:29:39 sorry ben 01:29:55 chanchito: sorry for what 01:29:57 chanchito: not your fault, don't worry about it :0 01:30:16 i feel bad i dont want the project to lose money 01:30:17 * rbergeron is just happy the banners got recovered :) 01:30:33 chanchito: you saved us $600 01:30:49 i will keep a tighter lid on things next event (harvard linux fest) 01:31:02 i will make sure UPS holds all my shipments for pick up 01:31:05 shipping is a nessassary hazard 01:31:13 I think it would just be helpful to document somewhere "when to tell someone that shit didn't arrive" 01:31:24 true 01:31:45 it was documented in the ticket 01:31:45 chanchito: perhaps that's something you might want to figure out and then add to the wiki? since you ahve recent experience there :) 01:31:54 OK deal! 01:31:58 I'd like to give two heads up on stuff regarding events (but not decisions/excessive thought needs to be put into them tonight) :D 01:31:58 maybe just figure out where it would have been helpful for you to see that in the materials :) 01:32:08 * VICODAN wonders if stanford or sjsu have a linux fest 01:32:24 inode0: that they were sent or didn't arrive? 01:32:38 that they were sent and what the tracking numbers were 01:32:53 rbergeron: i put the tracking # for both 01:32:55 we just assumed they arrived since we weren't told otherwise 01:33:12 okay, well, I think it would be helpful for people to be clear on "when to say something" or where 01:33:13 oh 01:33:25 we might need to add a new box where people shipping things post the airbill, carrier and ship date so a person can check their even ticket and see what is coming and when 01:33:29 we need to discuss "cool hardware we want if rbergeron can get fudning from $otherbudget" 01:33:34 not everyone has been around since the dawn of humanity like the rest of us 01:33:38 chanchito, usually we put that in the ticket 01:33:41 ups has shipping alerts 01:33:44 well, at least the tracking # 01:33:47 nb: I think there's probably a small list we'd look at 01:33:58 and i usually use ups's "email this person" thing 01:34:06 chanchito: that information was in the ticket you opened 01:34:26 figures, guaranteed in my novice-ness i didn't pick up on it, and missed it 01:34:27 my fault 01:34:29 nb: perhaps you want to apply paddles to the robotics sig meeting? :) 01:34:36 nb: exactly and yourself too 01:34:51 sounds painful :) 01:34:56 yes, it was just being new here, and we should remind people I think but the process isn't horribly broken 01:35:13 i will definitely spend more time with the tickets and get more familiar, got to get a handle on the way things are done 01:35:41 i was a little nervous and green and trying to find my way around 01:36:00 it won't slip by next time 01:36:07 and you gave us a little excitement, it's all good 01:36:20 yeah never boring at fedora! :-) 01:36:36 chanchito in the same boat, we should have a wiki for this 01:36:55 anything else regarding SELF? 01:36:58 I agree, some good learning 01:37:06 "what to expect as a new ambassador" might be a good blog post :) 01:37:10 inode0: lord i hope not :) 01:37:19 rbergeron: a glossary would be nice :) 01:37:30 i still have about 1000 pens in case anyone needs more 01:37:42 MarkDude: have we received things? 01:37:57 phonecall- sry 01:38:00 maybe a blog like "your first event" or "hosting an event" 01:38:02 I should have announced that townhalls begin later this week - come and ask questions please 01:38:06 we have not filed a ticket yet 01:38:14 ok we need pens 01:38:17 tshirts 01:38:20 hot dogs buttons 01:38:21 whatever 01:38:34 ok email me for pens and i will ship them to you "mario.balletta@gmail.com" 01:38:40 k 01:38:44 * rbergeron notes markdude will put this all in the ticket 01:38:45 Townhalls, I am interested 01:38:54 Speaking of town halls, I am running for FESCo 01:39:02 will be a bigger announcement tomorrow 01:39:03 * VICODAN will work with markdude and create a ticket and set a date for a release party in silicon valley 01:39:13 * rbergeron nods at inode0 ;) 01:39:15 I am running for Board and FAmSCo 01:39:21 j_dulaney: we should talk offline 01:39:26 (and a blog post) 01:39:34 Townhalls for us newbies are quite useful thanks 01:39:37 nb: do you still want to be in FAmSCo? ;) 01:40:09 no would be a bad answer at this point 01:40:58 alrighty, anything else for the good of the cause tonight? 01:41:20 postcards for AS7 on fedora 01:41:31 * rbergeron just fired off an email re: OSCOn to the oscon lady, but... 01:41:37 as7? 01:41:38 thanks for your help this past week 01:41:42 * inode0 thanks everyone for working really hard to get things ready for SELF and the other upcoming events 01:41:46 rbergeron snuck this in at the end of the last meeting 01:41:52 ? 01:41:58 grahite6: is there a ticket for it? I am down with the idea. 01:41:59 what is the situation with media plans? 01:42:07 inode0, the po is ready............... 01:42:08 I reached out to the fedora-java list asking about using AS7 on Fedora for developers, 01:42:09 suggestions or ideas about what to say or show to developers that would convince them that using AS7 on Fedora is (yum)my, how Fedora as a java development environment is emerging, tips or tricks about using AS7 on Fedora or about java development on Fedora. 01:42:12 inode0, waiting on art 01:42:17 and waiting for final isos 01:42:25 I've also got a list of other people to hit up for perspectives. 01:42:25 I've already got a decent amount of in-house content that I need to stick on a wikipage. 01:42:32 The purpose of collecting this information is to create collateral (postcards, tip sheets, brochures, etc) targeted toward application/framework developers. 01:42:39 rbergeron, is pinging someone about art 01:42:46 inode0: the PO is filed and set, i am working with mo to try and get her to get some art to nb, there iss some new text on the back side of the media and i'd like for her to broadcast that info and get it to nb 01:42:46 The idea of Open Source connetion with FEdora is silly, we as a project write a bit of what the folks that have tables use..... ;) 01:42:50 graphite6: how easy it is to do "yum install as7" or whatever and have it work? 01:43:04 these would be for Uberconf #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UberConf_2012 01:43:08 rbergeron: she blogged about that today 01:43:08 and JAX 01:43:08 graphite6, just get postcards (as long as it is not more than a couple hundred 01:43:12 vicocan: i think more along the lines of "what it is, what it does and why useful" 01:43:14 rbergeron: mo blogged about that 01:43:18 * inode0 was horrified by the back cover 01:43:31 graphite6, if you want, just buy and get it reimb afterwards, or get it bought up front if you dont want to 01:44:23 VICODAN: AS7 is packaged in F17 01:44:28 convention. OSCON will give us a table :) If not, let me know when I am unleashed on em rbergeron 01:44:56 ? 01:45:01 rbergeron, is there a difference between the EMEA media art and NA? 01:45:03 graphite6: suehle can probably point you at hte vendor we used for the cloud cards 01:45:05 * j_dulaney has his name back! 01:45:06 what about t-shirts? We'll be out soon. 01:45:13 graphite6 01:45:14 n b: their vendor wanted some wacky cut lines or something 01:45:16 all the work is done for you 01:45:23 http://www.jboss.org/as7 01:45:23 rbergeron, oh 01:45:25 print that out 01:45:27 yup, they're called DocuSource 01:45:35 vicodan: I think she was thinking more like "handouts" 01:45:40 Vicodan: I wrote most of that on that site 01:45:41 on smaller pieces of paper 01:45:42 * nb wonders if our media company could use their version (they send it to their art dept anyway) 01:46:05 graphite6: i would hand that out. it looks great. 01:46:05 I'm chasing down my victims to talk about using it on Fedora 01:46:12 ? 01:46:15 now on fedora side 01:46:17 not using it as just JBoss AS 7 01:46:21 j_dulaney: i missed that, probably something to do with "non-stop meetings and shit" sigh 01:46:26 speak about how easy it is to use on fedora 01:46:27 what about signing the media we distribute this time? 01:46:32 how easy it is to install and configure 01:46:35 and get running 01:47:03 VICODAN: agree, but also have to convince all of them to get off Mac OS too 01:47:09 inode0: no idea. nobody ever really expressed a lot of interest in chasing that down, but i can poke spot and ask him if he can get that working 01:47:09 :) 01:47:23 at least signed :) 01:47:26 or wrangle it since nobody else was really interested 01:47:29 graphite6: well, that's a whole different ballpark. 01:47:40 that is really important if they are located in a flaky place 01:47:45 lets not even go there right now. 01:47:52 inode0: sketchy coffeeshop freebies, etc :) 01:47:56 signing the media? 01:47:58 Vicodan: too true but I'm persistent :D 01:48:03 * nb is in favor of waiting until F18 01:48:03 nb: yes 01:48:08 that's why me and j_dulaney need to talk 01:48:09 why? 01:48:14 we need to get media out ASAP so maybe we can get it by SELF 01:48:22 signing doesn't delay it 01:48:30 inode0, well, assuming they sign it RSN 01:48:41 they sign the checksums 01:48:48 oh 01:48:55 i thought you meant some crazy thing with signing the data 01:48:56 they don't, but they should :) 01:48:57 nm 01:49:05 +1 signing 01:49:12 they ca just sigul sign-text or something i thought 01:49:17 why do we need to sign the media? 01:49:29 so if can be verified as coming from us 01:49:35 rbergeron, any objections to me sending the current media art to AMS and seeing if it works for them? 01:49:40 just put a hologram like microsoft 01:49:42 lol 01:49:43 rbergeron, i think you said mo is off for a week or something? 01:49:45 just joking 01:49:56 Dang it 01:50:03 What did I miss? 01:50:12 j_dulaney: a real irc client. 01:50:22 haha 01:50:23 AFAIK AMS takes the longest to get the art stuff done, so if we get them that ahead of time, then we should be able to get them the DVD images later 01:50:32 we achieved world peace with Fedora :D 01:50:40 VICODAN: I'm missing a proper connection to the Interwebz 01:50:52 webchat isn't reliable in itself 01:50:58 now would be a good time to run yum install BitchX 01:51:01 /bsp 01:51:13 anyways 01:51:15 back on topic 01:51:22 Shhhh 01:51:26 :) 01:51:28 ;) 01:51:31 j_dulaney, i pm'ed you 01:52:21 nb: I'd suggest chasing down mo and find out if what is on the wiki is final 01:52:31 VICODAN The network I'm on blocks IRC, and I'm too lazy to set up proxy 01:52:44 j_dulaney: ssh tunnel. 01:52:46 or 01:52:52 ssh to a box with BitchX 01:53:00 how do you think I got on here from my car. 01:53:06 any more ambassador stuff? 01:53:26 inode0, http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/f17sleeves-emea/ is last thing ive heard 01:53:27