01:00:35 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:35 Meeting started Wed Jul 11 01:00:35 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:43 woooo 01:00:48 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:48 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:01:01 evening everyone 01:01:02 #chair rbergeron 01:01:02 Current chairs: inode0 rbergeron 01:01:05 #topic Roll Call 01:01:12 Here, afk for a few 01:01:17 present! 01:01:25 have the stuff needed tho ( I hope) 01:01:37 ici 01:01:38 here 01:01:45 * rbergeron bonjours at suehle 01:01:46 Here 01:02:19 * Sonar_Gal 01:02:44 #topic Announcements 01:03:04 Any new fedora jobs filled or anything to announce? :) 01:03:18 hey! we have a new program manager, THANK GOD 01:03:26 #info new program manager, jreznik, HOORAY 01:03:39 woohoo 01:04:18 Our formal agenda is here as always 01:04:26 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:04:43 I'd really like to get through 4 event related tickets tonight 01:05:05 lets roll 01:05:07 Since MarkDude could maybe use a few more minutes let's work backwards 01:05:18 #topic Tickets 01:05:33 .famnaticket 26 01:05:36 inode0: #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:05:52 #info #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:06:14 hoooooray ohio 01:06:26 We need an owner for this event. We definitely want to be there but we need someone to get the booth and stuff arranged. 01:06:44 do we have any one near there 01:06:45 I created an event page for it which is mostly needing attention. 01:06:47 is ben giving this one up now? 01:07:03 yes, he has done it for years and wants to stop this year 01:07:57 * rbergeron wonders if any of our indiana friends might be interested 01:08:00 :D 01:08:08 ok, please consider taking it ... yes, perhaps nb wink wink 01:08:31 * inode0 is bpepple will be there to help out 01:08:34 is sure 01:08:56 .famnaticket 10 01:08:58 inode0: #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 01:09:09 #info #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 01:09:27 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 01:09:52 If possible I'd like to approve budget for this one tonight. 01:10:12 +1 from me 01:10:28 award3535: is the 350 for fuel approximate or ? 01:10:33 * rbergeron wonders where the heck you're driving from 01:10:53 Georgia, straight down I10 01:11:09 inode0: should we just send the box and banners to TLF directly instead of shipping them back to ben? 01:11:12 * rbergeron thinks suehle may have them now 01:11:13 We have in the past sponsored this event at the silver level for $1,000 - I proposed $500 this year but am agreeable to whatever everyone thinks about that. 01:11:16 Fuel is estimate, but will probably spend less 01:11:23 okay. just keep your receipts :D 01:11:33 roger... 01:11:34 +1 inode 01:11:49 I have the event box and banners from Summit, sort of. Just shoot me an email with where to send them. 01:11:50 * rbergeron is okay either way 01:12:01 More accurately, I have the banners, and the event box should be here in the next few days. 01:12:12 suehle: i had sent return labels with them 01:12:21 Regarding the event box and banners let's hold on for a minute 01:12:22 kk4ewt: yes, but they were ups labels and we couldn't ship UPS 01:12:29 and now we see they need to go to texas so... 01:12:38 are we shiping to me or Texas 01:12:45 Regarding the event box and banners let's hold on for a minute 01:12:50 don't know. i am holding on as inode0 requested 01:12:53 :D 01:13:06 We are shipping Texas,,,,, far away 01:13:14 Back to the budget - can we decide this? 01:13:22 +1 01:13:29 I am +1 as it is 01:13:35 +1 01:13:52 * rbergeron bets rackerhacker might be willing to help booth as well 01:14:44 anyone else in tune with $1427 for TLF? 01:15:07 #agreed TXLF 2012 Budget approved https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TXLF_2012 01:15:32 woo 01:15:32 Back to where the event box needs to go 01:15:50 (and banners) 01:15:55 ready to recieve if needed 01:16:01 We can send it to award3535 to bring or we can probably arrange to ship it to maxamillion who lives about an hour away 01:16:19 For what its not worth..... The banner I have is a bit south of me - at dan408 's house. I did not take it out after Beefy Miracle party 01:16:23 * inode0 has no preference - either way it gets there 01:16:24 or if the EC box needs to go TLF 01:16:47 i have both banners. 01:17:06 just keep the west coast stuff out there 01:17:24 central has a box 01:17:35 probably cheapest to ship to award3535? 01:17:49 inode0: i'd guess it's pretty close either way 01:17:52 that is probably cheaper than nb shipping his to any option 01:18:23 award3535: are you willing to wrangle stuff to fill it up? 01:18:23 dates for TLF compared to OLF 01:18:32 2 months apart 01:18:36 TLF is at the beginning of august, OLF end of sept 01:18:55 sure, just send it here 01:19:11 i will load the trunk 01:19:19 it is likely quite empty so open a ticket to get the insides :) 01:19:20 and drive it there with me 01:19:27 can we update the ticket and make sure suehle and award3535 are both copied on it? 01:19:45 :D 01:20:06 create the ticket in this case 01:20:32 yeah, I can update it 01:20:58 ok, then I think we are gold here 01:21:21 yay 01:21:28 suehle: are you ok doing the sponsorship stuff for $500? 01:21:55 she was when i asked her previously :) 01:22:35 ok, I'll put a reminder in the ticket about what we agreed to tonight 01:23:03 award3535: putin a ticket and i will ship the swag to you 01:23:36 inode0: can do 01:23:46 suehle: thank you 01:24:04 I'll update the ticket in a few minutes with info ... 01:24:06 kk4ewt roger, hope you me a swag req ticket 01:24:18 .famnaticket 23 01:24:19 inode0: #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23 01:24:29 #info #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23 01:24:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012 01:24:56 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012 01:25:06 Some of the details are on that page 01:25:09 I have a comment about the way the budget is presented here 01:25:22 * MarkDude leans in 01:25:24 * rbergeron is puzzled about the budget for this + oscon, are these separate or together 01:25:36 separate 01:25:37 Dealing with lump sums where don't know where the bits go makes it impossible to confirm later than they were approved expenses 01:26:07 Well like rbergeron said CLS is not any doubt about the importance 01:26:15 Free to go to 01:26:21 OSCON is PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 01:26:30 That isn't my problem 01:26:38 Somewhat different crowds 01:26:49 Ok look at this crappy spreadsheet I made 01:26:55 random person submits a reimbursement request to me 01:27:03 I go look at the approved budget 01:27:13 basically: who gets the hotel rooms, specifically 01:27:15 how do I know it was approved from what you have there? 01:27:17 who ets the gas money and parking money 01:27:19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoyaXVxWmNpek9scXc 01:27:40 On the spreadsheet is is dviided by people 01:27:49 all of the rooms will be put on my card 01:28:11 for both events, and then we can swap it later 01:28:11 sweet, I would just like that on the wiki where RHT finance and others can double check things 01:28:21 and can be printed out easily :) 01:28:35 Sure, well 1st I had to DO the numbers 01:28:43 making them look nice is next 01:28:55 * MarkDude has never done this- just learning 01:29:02 :) 01:29:06 it can just be a one-liner per person (hotel/gas/whatever) 01:29:13 Ok 01:29:33 just split up so we know who we are paying for or reimbursing for what amount 01:29:40 And a Google Doc is better- or just put ALL numbers on wiki? 01:29:56 google doc is not better for our workflow 01:30:05 Wiki it is 01:30:17 Persons name, amounts, etc 01:30:29 just look at the txlf one 01:30:29 Can do Action #item 01:30:33 it isn't complicated 01:30:41 No doubt 01:30:43 :) 01:30:59 each person should really drop a little description there too about what they plan to do 01:31:50 Nixies for example is make videos, one on CLS, one about the Fedorans there, and sumthin to be named- (she is open to suggestions) 01:31:54 Same for OSCON 01:32:34 Yeah, I know we have talked about that but the folks who might check up on things later can't read these logs 01:32:39 They look at the wiki 01:33:03 There a a dozen options for motels close by OCC that are much cheaper than the $100 a night spreadsheet figure 01:33:17 Really the event page on the wiki should be a one-stop for all information about the event 01:33:22 I know people staying at the Motel6 and Econolodge near Lloyd Center which is walking distance and half the cost 01:33:47 bkerensa, as I said in Ambadassadors 01:34:02 Thats sorta crackheadish around there 01:34:16 * MarkDude LIVED in Portland for quite a while 01:34:21 Its a convention center lodging facility 01:34:33 Crack nonetheless 01:34:37 for $93 you are paying for a suite at a upscale hotel 01:34:39 * rbergeron does value safety 01:34:41 CrackCON 01:35:07 http://www.econolodge.com/hotel-portland-oregon-OR102/Hotel-Photos 01:35:13 doesnt look to crackcon to me? 01:35:18 just saying 01:35:22 All joking aside bkerensa UDS was held near crack central- as well as Oaksterdam 01:35:43 * rbergeron would like to get back to the topic at hand and get consensus from ambassadors 01:35:47 Its a standards thing, lets let inode0 take back over 01:35:54 +1 01:36:28 ok, always good to check for the most reasonable prices - but cost isn't the only factor when deciding where to stay 01:38:01 MarkDude, during the conference there was a huge bike-to-work day celebration in the streets right outside the convention center 01:38:07 it was super chill 01:38:19 scientes, after meeting :) 01:38:22 ok, enough of this 01:38:36 what about the proposed CLS budget? 01:39:02 * rbergeron is okay with it 01:39:22 1232 01:39:26 markdude what is the CLS buget bleeds over into the oscon 01:39:38 If we wnet only to CLS 01:39:45 * nb is here 01:39:46 we would get a room Sunday night 01:40:01 yes that is what needs to be in that budget 01:40:02 Since it tends to run late, and after stuff 01:40:07 It IS 01:40:13 only that ? 01:40:19 3 days for CLS 01:40:28 * rbergeron isn't clear on what kk4ewt is asking 01:40:36 kk4ewt, I know I need to put it on wiki 01:40:40 just found that out 01:40:48 have it on messy spreadsheet 01:40:48 rbergeron trying to be sure they dont overlap 01:40:58 I think they are fairly split out from what i saw 01:40:59 Ah NONE 01:41:10 really they are just split up since the same people are going to both 01:41:14 i think the real overlap is graphite6's airfare 01:41:21 since she doesn't need hotel or etc 01:41:22 * MarkDude just divided gas down the middle 01:41:33 is back, sorry I'm on a mobile connection 01:41:35 in that case if the wiki is updated +1 01:41:42 * nb wonders if there is a cheaper hotel 01:41:45 that is listed on oscon, but we'll approve that there 01:41:48 that is not $2xx/night 01:41:49 * MarkDude did figure ALL of graphite6 's on OSCON 01:41:54 graphite6's air fare 01:42:03 and none on CLS 01:42:05 nb roach motels 01:42:10 :D 01:42:31 nb: where od you see a hotel room is 200 a night? 01:42:33 perfect timing nixiepixel - we were talking about CLS 01:42:37 Hi there MarkDude :-) 01:42:37 I'm just airfare, no other expenses, and I'm going to CLS and Oscon 01:42:46 1625 2 rooms 232.14 a night 01:42:57 or does that mean 232.14 per night for 2 rooms? 01:42:57 3 rooms 01:43:15 if the 232.14 is for 2 rooms, that sounds fine 01:43:33 I'm really lost 01:43:37 where is 1625? 01:43:49 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvE5AhSte7tVdDFIdV9fTTBXNFoyaXVxWmNpek9scXc#gid=0 01:43:59 CLS isn't that in its entirety according to the wiki 01:44:22 All of the lodging is together on wiki 01:44:32 I thought there were 3 rooms? 01:44:34 markdude: the room is how much a night? 01:44:46 1625 is for single occupancy room 01:44:54 how much is each room 01:44:54 2 of them 01:44:55 what? 01:44:57 not all the rooms 01:45:01 each room per night 01:45:08 one night, on room, costs how much?> 01:45:10 the 3rd is below 01:45:50 simple question, how much does one room cost for one night? 01:46:30 314 a day for 3 rooms 01:46:50 wow, well fortunately even I can do the math for that 01:46:59 So 104 01:47:09 so that seems fine to me 01:47:15 * MarkDude split them due to being short one night 01:47:18 yeah, sounds ok 01:47:22 Sorry about the hassle 01:47:44 Nixie and Ryan would share a rooom, were he female 01:47:49 :D 01:48:10 no, that is fine 01:48:13 Nixie is also having Brian come (her video guy 01:48:21 He already has pass 01:48:29 * MarkDude shuts up 01:48:29 does graphite6 need room? 01:48:35 nope 01:48:40 ok 01:48:52 +1 for the budget for CLS 01:49:05 +1 as well 01:49:06 +1 for kk4ewt moving this along :) 01:49:12 no kidding :) 01:49:24 +1 01:49:26 +1 also for CLS budget 01:49:41 if we have questions its better to answer now than the bean counters ask questions later 01:49:50 Agreed 01:49:52 ^ kk4ewt is smart man 01:50:32 just a minute 01:51:43 #agreed CLS budget of $942 (3 rooms for 3 nights) and $290 (gas/parking for Nixie and Ryan) 01:51:48 is that correct? 01:51:55 Rooms go to me 01:52:00 all 3 01:52:12 someone can probably pay those onsite 01:52:38 yes, please get me, ruth, spot, or lh to do so 01:52:41 far easier to deal with 01:53:10 Last time we had a meeting we were exploring a house closer by that would be one flat rate of a similar price. I take it this is no longer the case? =o) 01:53:31 appears not to be 01:53:57 the house is no longer of a rate that is flat 01:53:57 I don't think it turned out to be a similar price in the end 01:53:57 * nb wonders who lh is 01:54:00 more of a mountain type 01:54:03 nb: leslie hawthorn 01:54:06 oh 01:54:18 We got decent rooms- the houses fell thru 01:54:20 a red hat employee who can pay for things and will willingly do so if you see her 01:54:26 ok 01:54:37 +1 to CLS budget 01:54:41 Awesome too, I might add 01:54:42 ok, let's move on to the last ticket now 01:54:43 (i was a little afk for a minute) 01:54:54 .famnaticket 24 01:54:56 inode0: #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 01:55:04 #info #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 01:55:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2012 01:56:02 Rooms go to me on this- gas and parking go to nixiepixel and Ryan 01:56:12 MarkDude: how many rooms for how many nights here? 01:56:30 3 rooms, 4 nights 01:56:36 MarkDude: rooms will be paid onsite, you don't need to pay for them 01:56:55 smae numbers apply here- minus the room for chris and I on thur 01:57:06 Might have one open at place we are staying 01:57:12 Cool inode0 01:57:38 markdude: but you will probably have to check in to them 01:57:41 just so I'm clear people are staying 7 nights in portland? 01:57:51 Yes 01:58:01 arriving Fri, and leaving next Fri 01:58:10 Expo ends on Thursday 01:58:22 ok 01:58:52 I'm +1 to what is on the wiki at the moment, I'll summarize it if approved 01:59:05 +1 01:59:06 * rbergeron is +1 as well 01:59:16 and blogs blogs blogs 01:59:26 Yes 01:59:36 As well as videos from nixiepixel 01:59:50 definitely, and gigs of photos :) 01:59:59 For her OSCON video, she is open to name suggestions of WHO to talk to 02:00:14 * MarkDude suggest lh for one 02:00:33 #agreed Funding for OSCON 2012 - $357 (Sarah air fare), $1257.12 (3 rooms for 4 nights), $310 (gas for Nixie/Ryan) 02:00:35 who to talk to about what? 02:00:56 * rbergeron thinks it would be valuable for her to actually make a mail on list 02:01:11 MarkDude: please split the gas estimate because again we need to know what to expect from each person getting reimbursed 02:01:53 Will do 02:02:04 Alrighty, at least we got through that! 02:02:18 * MarkDude will also include Ryan and Nixie one room, Chris and I share etc 02:02:30 * inode0 is skipping other tickets for this week 02:02:32 #topic Open Floor 02:02:39 Do I put any of this on ticket 24? 02:02:46 If there is anything else now is a good time ... 02:02:52 I like cheese 02:03:18 hello, I updated ticket for Fedora Ambassador day 2012 02:03:20 MarkDude: please put everything about expenses/reports/what people plan to do to justify Fedora paying for things on the WIKI 02:03:54 Will do, and thanks for your patience on me with this 02:04:02 https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 02:04:14 Stanford is CONFIRMED as place for us have FAD at 02:04:15 hope that is enough info to get started with 02:04:36 As well as Ryan having some lodging options at hackerspace 02:04:46 neet. 02:04:50 * MarkDude just got some details a few minutes ago dan408 02:04:59 Thanks dan408 02:05:09 np inode0 02:05:12 We have 5+ Ambadassadors local - and willing to help 02:05:37 Is there confirmed Stanford resources available? Rooms to work in? Stuff like that? 02:05:48 MarkDude? 02:06:00 YES 02:06:10 Ryan can send formal letter to that 02:06:24 His center studies open models 02:06:32 * rbergeron is okay with those dates, not sure if she could actually get there but will try 02:06:34 And Fedora is a great case study 02:06:36 we don't need a letter, just asking to get a sense of how much planning was done 02:06:59 Up to ten people can stay at the hackerspace- 4 blocks from bart 02:07:10 near food to eat, in SF 02:07:26 I have no idea about the dates. We need an agenda before we get to the dates I think. 02:07:40 Detail would be getting folks down there- we may of course decide to stay elsewhere 02:07:42 hackerspace has places to sleep? 02:07:53 Its a tech startup 02:08:04 Rooms would be under $100 02:08:18 well I updated the wiki and the trac ticket, feel free to let me know any more info you need inode0 02:08:22 That part I am very flexible on 02:08:34 Stanford tho- is a done deal 02:08:38 i even looked up hotels 02:08:52 We plan to have one small scale FAD there next month 02:09:07 And inode0 is invited to the hackerspace when he visits 02:09:15 In SF so he can make the party 02:09:17 * rbergeron notes we'll need to get an agenda and etc. together 02:09:24 Of course 02:09:34 dan408, actually has some suggestions 02:09:46 But that should be handled on a wiki page I assume 02:09:48 yes, agenda before setting dates because we aren't going to slap together a garbage agenda because we are out of time :) 02:10:14 i will use FADNA 2010 for agenda ideas. 02:10:24 but we have now one possible site that has local support which is an important step 02:10:30 * MarkDude should create a wiki page for agenda? And send to email list directing to said page? 02:10:39 if there is anything you'd like to suggest for the agenda please let me know 02:10:46 there is a wiki page already 02:10:54 :D 02:11:03 MarkDude, dan408 what airports are near stanford? 02:11:04 * MarkDude needs less coffee 02:11:16 nb: San Jose (SJC) and San Francisco (SFO) 02:11:22 there is also Oakland (OAK) but not as close. 02:11:28 If we use hackerspace, it is 4 blocks from SF bart station 02:11:36 preferred airport would be SJC 02:11:36 OAK would work also 02:11:49 The commute to Standford is rather simple 02:11:50 easiest/cheapest airport would be SFO 02:11:56 and might mean us renting one car 02:12:11 But, we have locals that can help with driving 02:12:24 and for seeing SF at night- the BART is great 02:12:35 agenda before getting too carried away on these details which can all be worked out if it happens :) 02:12:43 Fair enoguh 02:12:47 sounds good inode0 02:12:54 * MarkDude thinks Mate would be good for the list 02:13:05 * quaid peeks in 02:13:08 ok, thanks everyone for working on moving FADNA forward 02:13:15 np 02:13:22 MarkDude: I'm working on the build right now :) 02:13:27 * inode0 peeks back at quaid 02:13:29 * nb mentions to make sure everyone that is going to CLS signs up for it 02:13:51 * MarkDude hopes that quaid will make it 6+ local Fedora people willing to help. Stanford is not too far for you 02:14:01 good point nb 02:14:07 * MarkDude will remind everyone 02:14:30 where is quaid? 02:14:32 MarkDude: it's SUPER close as it happens, just hope we don't have a date conflict! 02:14:37 dan408: I'm in Santa Cruz 02:14:47 quaid: i proposed oct 19-22 but that is flexible. 02:14:53 stanford is not close to me, but i could probably make it if i get funding 02:14:57 quaid: please let us know if that date doesn't work for you 02:15:06 * nb would prefer after november 5th, so i'd have more vacation at work 02:15:09 have a great rest of the evening, gotta go..... 02:15:14 but i could maybe get off anyway even if it is before then 02:15:25 see you all next week 02:15:38 dan408: that's far enough out I'm likely to be able to lock that 02:15:43 Yay 02:16:23 * quaid has already prepared the soccer/football players in the house that he won't make every game this season 02:16:24 quaid: awesome! 02:16:31 * quaid has already prepared the soccer/football players in the house that he won't make every game this season 02:16:34 glad we're planning in advance :D 02:17:25 markdude: are you going to be able to get the banners from dan408 for oscon? 02:17:38 we have run long but got some important business taken care of ... will end the meeting in a few minutes 02:17:41 when is oscon? 02:17:50 * MarkDude leaves Fri 02:17:56 yeah we can meetup 02:18:01 okay 02:18:06 DONUT FORGET PLZ :D 02:18:06 Can you get them to SF- 02:18:18 * MarkDude does NOT have table cloth 02:18:19 * dan408 adds reminder to calendar 02:18:31 Leslie got it I think 02:18:35 rbergeron: just bring me back some tshirts dangit! 02:18:39 did we not request the tablecloth from jsandys after texas linux fest? 02:18:45 err 02:18:48 northeast linuxfest 02:18:52 northWEST linuxfest 02:18:55 good lord 02:18:56 Oh crap 02:18:57 shoot me now :)( 02:19:07 not enough linuxfests 02:19:07 * MarkDude falls on the sword for this one 02:19:13 My bad 02:19:17 suehle: is there artwork for the booth or is that some other conference? 02:19:21 at oscon 02:19:43 markdude go to walmart and buy a $5 blue Sheet 02:20:06 Amazon has very nice colored table cloths 02:20:06 makes a great table cloth 02:20:09 kk4ewt, +1 02:20:18 bkerensa: and expensive 02:20:33 markdude Queen size 02:20:35 * rbergeron wonders if there is a point in bringing the event box if there is nothing in it 02:20:39 * MarkDude thinks we should have Hotdog table cloths 02:21:00 If there is artwork for the OSCON booth I did not get that memo 02:21:04 kk4ewt: $4.99 with free 2 day shipping just ordered ours today 02:21:04