01:00:20 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:20 Meeting started Wed Aug 1 01:00:20 2012 UTC. The chair is inode0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:31 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:31 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:42 #chair rbergeron kk4ewt Sonar_Gal graphite6 01:00:42 Current chairs: Sonar_Gal graphite6 inode0 kk4ewt rbergeron 01:00:52 #topic Roll Call 01:00:54 here 01:00:58 present 01:01:03 here 01:01:12 present 01:01:17 present 01:01:25 Present 01:01:30 * jaysonr assumes i'm supposed to be here :-) 01:01:39 * kk4ewt 01:02:15 #chair dan408 lcameron award3535 jaysonr PatStein 01:02:15 Current chairs: PatStein Sonar_Gal award3535 dan408 graphite6 inode0 jaysonr kk4ewt lcameron rbergeron 01:02:27 #topic Announcements 01:02:43 graphite6 will be your guest host tonight :) 01:03:14 cool 01:03:19 yup, so have patience with my slow typing 01:03:41 ;) 01:03:51 for announcements, I'll be speaking at Ohio Linuxfest 01:03:59 woooo 01:04:10 greetings all 01:04:36 evening 01:05:06 who is the owner of OLF 01:05:21 graphite6 :) 01:05:36 I knew that would be coming, lol 01:05:36 no one last I checked 01:05:49 Greetings 01:05:58 hey farmerrob 01:06:03 I can do it since I know I'll be attending now 01:06:27 should be switch to tickets now? 01:06:34 +1 01:06:36 any other announcements? 01:06:45 going once 01:06:50 ! 01:07:00 rbergeron: go 01:07:14 good luck to inode0 this weekend at TLF speaking. and award3535 in driving a long ways. :D 01:07:17 EOF :) 01:07:37 thanks 01:07:39 w00t w00t to inode0 and award3535! 01:07:51 Hello 01:07:55 no beefy yet, but have everything else 01:08:01 #info inode0 and award3535will be at TLF this weekend 01:08:16 #info graphite6 will be speaking at OLF 01:08:25 time for tickets... 01:08:38 #topic Tickets 01:09:08 hmmm, but how do I do that pull in the ticket info thing? 01:09:35 .famnaticket # 01:10:13 the big list is at https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:10:22 .famnaticket #10 01:10:22 graphite6: Error: '#10' is not a valid integer. 01:10:31 no # 01:10:35 .famnaticket 10 01:10:36 graphite6: #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 01:11:06 so who has TLF news or questions? 01:11:12 I think we are all set, with Beefy on his way. 01:11:12 Wish I could go 01:11:32 * rbergeron hopes beefy gets there 01:11:35 is beefy do to arrive on the 1st 01:11:43 1Z9W2V650395615903 01:11:47 :) 01:11:49 he was suppose to 01:11:59 but looks like friday now 01:12:10 Friday is sort of bad 01:12:17 unless he was shipped to Texas 01:12:19 i will take the blame for this ithought i shipped it 3 day 01:12:41 but according to the ticket its showing ground 01:12:52 oh, well, we will survive 01:12:57 can you get in and update the shipping? 01:13:03 or redirect his final destination? 01:14:09 if not my daughter will be taking care of the house while we are away and make sure it gets in the house 01:14:37 kk4ewt: i think only you could as the person who originated the package. we can probably discuss after meeting if we dont think we can make a decision right this second 01:14:54 rbergeron: just tried NO 01:15:21 any other TLF items that need to be discussed? 01:15:22 i agree, since we are just two, and dont expect a large crowd 01:15:43 we will survive without beefy 01:16:14 .famnaticket 23 01:16:16 graphite6: #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23 01:16:48 So I know I'm still on deck for my reports from the event :) 01:16:55 though i did see your photos :) 01:17:01 that ticket and the oscon ticket were just left to remind us we need trip reports from sponsored attendees - I haven't checked if we have those yet 01:17:27 Does anyone else have reports from CLS? 01:17:28 * rbergeron has some stuff to write as well, at lesat about CLS, just trying to um... keep it on the up and up 01:17:37 BE POSITIVE! that kind of thing 01:18:02 rbergeron: :D - and you are FAB POSITIVE! 01:18:53 #info rbergeron and graphite6 will be posting reports about CLS soon 01:19:15 Any other CLS goodiness before I move onto Oscon? 01:19:25 and just yell at me if I'm moving too fast :D 01:19:46 you are doing just fine 01:19:51 there is no yelling around here :) I think oscon is probably the same story. 01:19:59 * rbergeron did see a lot of photos and etc. from mark 01:20:00 #info Reminder to CLS/OSCON sponsored attendees to submit trip reports on the event wiki pages 01:20:23 inode0: +1 01:20:46 .famnaticket 24 01:20:48 graphite6: #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 01:21:13 #info graphite6 owes a trip report for OSCON 01:21:57 .famnaticket 26 01:21:59 graphite6: #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:22:21 hooooray OLF 01:22:27 So unless someone else is burning to own this event, I can do it 01:22:39 +1 01:22:48 As long as I can bother someone with questions who has more experience :D 01:23:40 There are lots of us who love being bothered. :) 01:23:43 just grab it and if others are going they can help 01:23:48 So did we ever figure out if we really sponsored this eveny? 01:23:52 I'll help if I get to go 01:23:57 no 01:24:01 event (sp) 01:24:24 Who would have sent in the sponsorship money if we did sponsor it? 01:24:36 Ruth or Robyn 01:24:42 I may decide to attend this one also, have to check how much time I have on the books for leave 01:24:55 what's the process of getting a non fedora event sponsored? 01:24:58 I suspect they just left us on there because we always sponsor it 01:25:05 Yes 01:25:22 we don't sponsor non-Fedora events that I know of 01:25:23 I have not, I don't think ruth has either. 01:25:31 well, OLF is a non-fedora event :) 01:25:38 heh 01:25:49 no, it is a Fedora event - it is on the wiki saying so! 01:26:05 okay, do we want to look into sponsoring it/getting a booth? 01:26:08 So get it on the wiki then it is 01:26:08 If someone said "we're sponsoring this" and it was agreed on in a meeting and we get something saying "plz sign this and send money" then we send the money. 01:26:10 well i could give an example, but I don't want to get off topic 01:26:11 YES. 01:26:24 so, for any event Fedora is running sponsorship is normally handled through the normal budget process for the event 01:26:47 I cool 01:26:50 Fedora isn't running, I mean 01:27:07 ok 01:27:08 some we help, some we pass on 01:27:11 "non premier events" :) 01:27:20 yes 01:27:26 it's a completely unrelated subject 01:27:32 so I can see what the sponsorship/booth requirements are and report back next week 01:27:43 good question though so we can digress for it :) 01:27:47 okay well 01:27:52 I attened ASUS ROG event 01:27:52 * inode0 is so much nicer when he isn't in charge 01:28:01 * kk4ewt motions we give OLF a $500 sponsorship 01:28:15 kk4ewt: can we let sarah make the wiki page first :) 01:28:19 it would have been a great place to try and get some support from those hardware vendors for fedora and also have a fedora booth 01:28:32 (so she can learn and stuff) 01:28:49 i didnt find out about the event until 2 or 3 days prior 01:29:00 graphite6: look at my old olf pages to help 01:29:11 hardware is totally unrelated topic but it was still an event and it still made me think 01:29:15 Where is it? 01:29:18 kk4ewt: thanks, I will! 01:30:06 they were even serving beefy miracles! 01:30:12 rbergeron saw my pic! 01:30:48 yum, beefy miracles! (graphite6 hasn't had dinner) 01:30:56 * dan408 is hungry as well 01:31:11 * kk4ewt looks like i may be able to make OLF 01:31:14 * inode0 suggests we finish the tickets and you can all go eat 01:31:17 * rbergeron three 01:31:21 do we want to cut to a new topic to discuss hardware? 01:31:28 no 01:31:30 not here 01:31:32 or the rest of the tickets? 01:31:39 rest of tickets 01:31:39 yes, rest of tickets :) 01:31:40 tickets 01:31:45 gotcha 01:32:11 #action graphite6 will report on sponsorship requirements for OLF 01:32:32 .famnaticket 36 01:32:33 graphite6: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:32:59 Any new news on FADNA? 01:33:04 i have not done any work on coming up with an agenda 01:33:10 i have been busy with MATE desktop 01:33:20 but I will try and propose an agenda for FADNA 01:33:30 a good, well balanced covering all topics 01:33:42 location has yet to be voted on 01:34:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:35:16 we should decide on a date 01:35:20 and finalize it 01:35:50 i think it should also happen before or after spherical cow 01:35:56 do we want to give some fair warning that perhaps that is the plan for next week, so people actually show up? 01:36:14 yes, could you please email the list? 01:36:16 that would be good 01:36:19 rbergeron: +1 01:36:23 +1 01:36:24 dan408: that is generally "in the future" so yes, probably :) 01:36:25 or do you want me to do so? 01:36:41 still no lcation 01:36:53 rbergeron: well I was saying we dont want to do it the same time Spherical Cow is released as many resources will be tied up by it 01:37:08 dan408: yes, though they are usually tied up beforehand as well 01:37:17 rbergeron: good point. 01:37:17 like the several weeks beforehand 01:37:36 and the several bugfixing weeks after? :) 01:38:21 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule 01:38:22 so some dates at least a month before release or a month after release? 01:38:46 after may suit others 01:38:47 pretty much. beginning of oct. or beg. of dec 01:38:49 so we were thinking the weekend of October 19-22? 01:38:58 that would be a week or so before the final release 01:38:59 after is harder - because the release date isn't firm 01:39:10 dan408: release is scheduled for nov. 8 01:39:16 nov 6 01:39:20 that's what the wiki says 01:39:27 yes 01:39:27 or are you using that other schedule you have? :) 01:39:29 sorry, 6 01:39:42 yes, so oct 19-22 would be good 01:39:42 dan408: jreznik now has that other schedule :) 01:39:46 hahaha 01:39:55 that's not a month before though, that's like 2 weeks before 01:40:07 so are you saying a month before? 01:40:11 since FADNA is for ambassador work I really don't think we need to connect it to the release unless that is convenient and we have a good agenda 01:40:13 because we were talking mid october previously 01:40:27 agreed 01:40:30 i thought that's what someone else just said 01:40:41 inode0: I disagree. How are you supposed to evangelize fedora if you're not excited for the next release? 01:40:55 being excited doesn't need to be paralyzing :) 01:41:00 heheh 01:41:08 if it was we 01:41:08 that isn't what FADNA is about IMO 01:41:09 You could still be excited 01:41:11 d never ship anything 01:41:44 alright 01:41:59 let's get to next week and see what we ahve. 01:42:10 okay 01:42:16 dan408: i hereby entrust you with a reminder to that effect :) 01:42:18 make a budget for year, planning which events to focus on and sponsor, etc. 01:42:27 rbergeron: will do 01:42:33 * dan408 adds it to his tasklist 01:42:36 inode0: +1 01:42:40 are the sorts of things I can see with concrete deliverables 01:43:01 dan408 will you send out an announcement saying we'll decide on the date for FADNA at the next meeting? 01:43:18 (or evaluate our possibilities) 01:43:24 i'll send out a broadcast 01:44:23 #action dan408 will send out an announcement regarding evaluating/deciding the date of the FADNA during next Tuesday's meeting 01:44:53 anything else regarding FADNA planning? 01:45:04 no that's it for now. 01:45:06 who decides location 01:45:16 that will be discussed next week 01:45:21 roger 01:45:25 if you have any serious proposals please add them to the trac ticket 01:45:26 we need to agree on it, and we should take a number of things into account 01:45:30 yes 01:45:33 that will be in my email 01:45:47 my suggestions are already there 01:46:23 #info dan408 FADNA date announcement will also include info about location suggestions and requirements 01:46:32 ^ 01:46:36 +1 graphite6 01:47:11 .famnaticket 37 01:47:14 graphite6: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:47:29 * rbergeron looks for an ianweller 01:47:39 hiya 01:47:43 that's blocking on legal 01:47:46 you can move to the next topic 01:48:08 oh 01:48:50 That's it for tickets, going to move to open floor in a second 01:49:51 #topic Open Floor 01:50:13 * jaysonr just wants to say hi. it's my first meeting and just ping me if I can ever help with anytyhing. 01:50:27 * dan408 waves @ jaysonr 01:50:34 Hello 01:50:35 * PatStein Waves @ Jaysonr 01:50:36 jaysonr: Hello and welcome! 01:50:39 * rbergeron thinks we now have a booth for linuxcon at the end of august. and I am going to file a event page and whatnot. 01:50:43 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon 01:50:44 Welcome jaysonr. :) 01:50:51 * inode0 welcomes jaysonr and jduncan as new ambassadors 01:50:59 idem! 01:51:01 should have done that in an announcement 01:51:26 welcome! 01:51:35 #info Welcome to new ambassadors jaysonr and jduncan! 01:51:38 there are probably like 10+ people who will be there as speakers and can probably help at the booth. also, i will celebrate my birthday from there. :) muhahahha 01:51:41 29 again. 01:51:45 jduncan is on the beach right now I believe 01:51:59 #info Fedora will now have booth at Linuxcon 01:52:27 That is I think all I have for open floor, unless you feel inclined to review http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Accounting/DraftFY13 for missing items. 01:52:47 So that I can go back to daddy shadowman and be firm. 01:52:58 #action rbergeron will set up the linuxcon event page 01:53:31 chanchito: I have some pics for you, I'll send them this week, I promise! 01:53:45 why are all the sponsored events all linux events? 01:53:49 mil gracias graphite6! 01:54:02 we go to linux events? 01:54:11 #info please review the draft FY13 budget 01:54:20 yeah but there are other events out there that relate to linux that are not speicially linux 01:54:22 specifically* 01:54:30 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Accounting/DraftFY13 01:54:51 sure, and we have attended some 01:55:07 SXSW and penguicon come to mind 01:55:08 because nobody has proposed many otherwise. 01:55:11 are those more in the redhat circle? 01:55:15 rbergeron: ok. 01:55:23 dan408: did you have something else in mind 01:55:27 yes 01:55:28 plenty 01:55:50 dan408: also pockets aren't bottomless so we do try to hit the things closest to us 01:56:10 dan408 I go to a lot of Java/developer conferences as a roving ambassador but getting a booth at them is really, really expensive 01:56:31 as in $10,000 to $50,000 01:56:35 i just don't think a linux event is a good place to promote linux, because well, it's like preaching to the choir. 01:56:36 backpack booths work great at some events 01:56:54 graphite6: i wasn't referring to that type of event 01:56:57 it is and we do think about that from time to time 01:57:23 inode0: okay, that's the first thing that came to mind when looking at this page, is i see dozens of events about open source this and linux that 01:57:25 and not much 01:57:28 not much else* 01:57:30 dan408: there is an old story somewhere about how (i think) ivory soap stopped advertising because they figured everyone knew about them. there is something to be said about brand impressions and etc. 01:57:48 and converting likely users also from one place to another 01:57:49 and while sending people to other events like pycon makes good sense for us sponsoring those events I don't think makes much sense currently 01:57:57 Fedora is not ivory soap. 01:58:03 dan408: i agree to a point, but if we are not at those events, future contributors will think we are a dying project 01:58:06 i got the analogy. 01:58:12 dan408: it is a general truism about marketing and branding. 01:58:18 right 01:58:30 and we do go to other events, just not as a sponsor. 01:58:39 let me submit exhibit A 01:58:51 https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/524014_349519195127017_302444452_n.jpg 01:58:53 nuff said. 01:59:04 maybe you could elaborate on it for the record of this meeting 01:59:12 instead of saying nuff said :) 01:59:36 i interact with people very often that their only real experience is ubuntu and they have never even heard of fedora. 02:00:21 there are a variety of reasons for that, and they aren't encessarily "we went to sesamestreetcon" 02:00:37 or whatever the non-linux/non-open source events are that you are referring to. 02:00:39 right 02:00:50 they are not 02:01:02 but it's a good place to start 02:01:06 dan408 is ubuntu on a conference track fedora is missing? 02:01:15 no. 02:01:24 and i would argue that people who do use ubuntu aren't necessarily going to have their needs met by using fedora. 02:01:31 ubuntu is dying out actually. 02:01:31 dan408: i want to introduce you to SGS 02:01:33 and neither are people who use fedora going to have their needs met by ubuntu. 02:02:10 but yes, more ideas are better. 02:02:18 so feel free to propose such things/events 02:02:23 yep 02:02:50 ubuntu server and desktop are now available from dell on certain models 02:03:00 believe it or not 02:03:02 and so is RHEL :) 02:03:04 chanchito: old news 02:03:08 yes, definitely add tickets/wikipages if you come across an idea/event with potential 02:03:15 * dan408 has a dell mini 9 that came with ubuntu 02:03:31 dell + ubuntu have had a partnership for a while 02:03:33 anyways 02:03:37 i know it's old news ben, the point is we aren't there yet as a consumer option 02:03:37 that's off topic right now 02:03:41 so do I but it runs Beefy Miracle now 02:03:49 nevermind 02:04:13 comments withdrawn 02:04:15 chanchito: i don't think we ever will be, at least not from a vendor who does stuff at scale 02:04:18 inode0: mine was running XP and i'd attempt at installing beefy but the power supply on it is dead :) 02:04:19 dell + RHEL have one too 02:04:23 chanchito: no, it's good for people who don't know. 02:05:07 I'll be ending the meeting in 3 minutes...my kabob is calling, lol 02:05:11 i think we have a ways to go before you would see fedora netbook friendly 02:05:13 coming from the windows environment, youre absolutely right people just dont know 02:05:31 yes 02:05:39 * inode0 thinks F17 is fine on his mini 9 really 02:05:43 I have Fedora Netbook 02:05:48 i think it more has to do with the supported life cycle than anything else. 02:05:53 * jaysonr has F17 on a mini 9 as well 02:06:00 try sandy bridge 02:06:07 it is fine for us; dell wanting to support somtehing that they sell when it has a 13 month life is a different story. :) 02:06:07 or any intel c200 chipset 02:06:11 anyway 02:06:14 just sit in 3fedora for a while 02:06:17 err #fedora 02:06:19 Unity is bugy 02:06:28 and take note of the majority of issues users are reporting 02:06:41 and it would be at most half that life by the time it went out the door 02:06:59 inode0: yes 02:07:19 okay, anything else? 02:07:20 inode0: exactly - i was really happy to hear about the RHEL Precision laptops recently announced 02:07:25 * rbergeron needs to eat eat eat 02:07:37 * kk4ewt motions to close 02:07:43 yeah 02:07:45 good night every one 02:07:50 * dan408 heads to subway 02:08:07 okay, will be ending.... 02:08:10 * inode0 thanks graphite6 for giving him most of the night off tonight 02:08:25 It is nice to participate without the overhead of running the meeting for a change :) 02:08:26 inode0: anytime :D 02:08:42 #endmeeting