01:00:02 <masta> #startmeeting 01:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 26 01:00:02 2012 UTC. The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:03 <masta> #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:21 <masta> #topic FAmNA Roll Call 01:00:23 <dan408-> here 01:00:25 * lh is here 01:00:28 <award3535> here 01:00:41 * jds2001 around 01:00:41 * graphite6 here 01:00:56 * Sonar_Gal 01:01:23 * kk4ewt 01:01:24 * MarkDude is present and accounted for 01:01:29 <cewillia> /me 01:01:42 <MarkDude> ALL Hail the Beefy Miracle 01:01:49 <masta> #chair dan408- lh award3535 jds2001 graphite6 Southern_Gentlem nb Sonar_Gal kk4ewt MarkDude cewillia 01:01:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: MarkDude Sonar_Gal Southern_Gentlem award3535 cewillia dan408- graphite6 jds2001 kk4ewt lh masta nb 01:01:54 <award3535> +1 01:01:57 <masta> *hail* 01:02:10 * cewillia 01:02:53 <masta> few more minutes for folks to roll in 01:03:45 <masta> #topic Announcements 01:04:08 <masta> Hey folks - I'm goign to be your guest chair for this meeting :) 01:04:18 <MarkDude> OLPC summit is OCt 16-17 01:04:21 <MarkDude> in SF 01:04:24 <masta> s/goign/going/ 01:04:40 <award3535> cool 01:04:47 <lh> Grace Hopper is October 3-6th in Baltimore 01:04:49 <masta> MarkDude: nice 01:04:51 <lh> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper_2012 01:04:59 <kk4ewt> New F17 livecds are available on http://tinyurl.com/live-respins 01:05:16 <lh> That's my first event page so if someone with experience can give me feedback offline, I'd appreciate it. 01:05:25 <MarkDude> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC_San_Francisco_Community_Summit_2012 01:05:44 <masta> +1 01:05:46 <MarkDude> Grace Hopper yay! 01:06:22 <masta> lh: sure thing 01:06:23 <lh> Yes, we shall represent Fedora in all its glory. Volunteers are needed for the FOSS projects booth, so if anyone in the Baltimore area would like to come help represent Fedora, please let me know. 01:06:30 <lh> masta, thank you 01:07:03 <masta> ok lets move on to tickets 01:07:08 <masta> #topic Tickets 01:07:12 <inode0> might be worth pinging makfinsky for grace hopper 01:07:35 <masta> .famnaticket 44 01:07:38 <zodbot> masta: #44 (CPOSC 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/44 01:07:39 <lh> inode0, shall do. 01:07:44 <masta> jds2001: you're on 01:08:19 <inode0> this is an event we have been doing for years and I am happy to move we approve the requested expenses for it 01:08:37 <dan408-> i think he stepped away for a second 01:08:40 <dan408-> i'll be there 01:08:42 <masta> #info CPOSC 2012 01:08:45 <dan408-> along with rbergeron 01:08:51 <dan408-> and quaid 01:09:02 <dan408-> or is that the other ticket 01:09:17 <dan408-> sorry 01:09:23 <inode0> his presence isn't really necessary - this is a repeat of many years 01:09:25 * jds2001 is here 01:09:30 * MarkDude has hotdog suit at the ready- in case I need to help for it 01:09:37 <lh> This budget is incredibly reasonable for the opportunity, especially since there is a track record of success. +1 01:09:38 <MarkDude> :D 01:09:40 <jds2001> yep, repeat of many years of this event. 01:09:56 <award3535> You have my vote of approval 01:09:59 <masta> yes +1 01:10:05 <graphite6> +1 01:10:11 <jds2001> small, gives us the opportunity for more 1:! 01:10:22 <dan408-> +1 01:10:24 <lh> jds2001, well stated 01:11:03 <award3535> I guess it stands as approved does it not.. 01:11:16 <masta> yes 01:11:16 <inode0> can someone chaired add an #agreed here indicating what we just agreed to and add it in the ticket :) 01:11:25 <dan408-> #agreed 01:11:31 <jds2001> can the event box and stuff be drop-shipped if that's a possibility? 01:11:39 <masta> #info CPOSC 2012 approved by FAmNA 01:11:43 <dan408-> #agreed CPOSC 2012 is approved 01:11:44 <jds2001> I'd prefer not to lug it from NYC, but can if needed. 01:11:54 <masta> dan408-: thx 01:12:01 <masta> ok moving forward ... 01:12:03 * inode0 notes it helps to include the amount in the #agreed for the record 01:12:06 <kk4ewt> +1 01:12:12 <masta> err.. backwards, we are doing tickets backwards tonight 01:12:28 <award3535> looks like 370.00 01:12:33 <jds2001> there really was no need to give mine special treatment, i can wait like everyone else :D 01:12:37 <masta> #undo 01:12:37 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x3370f8d0> 01:13:02 <masta> #agreed CPOSC 2012 - $370 01:13:19 <dan408-> thanks ill keep that in mind next time 01:13:21 <masta> inode0: thx for the tip 01:13:36 <masta> .famnaticket 43 01:13:38 <zodbot> masta: #43 (PuppetConf, San Francisco, September 27-28 2012) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/43 01:13:44 <kk4ewt> ok whoa 01:13:51 <masta> rbergeron: you're on 01:14:13 <kk4ewt> there was a questiong asked 01:14:38 <dan408-> what question? 01:14:39 <masta> oops 01:14:48 <lh> kk4ewt, yes, re: shipping event box 01:14:49 <masta> kk4ewt: sry totally missed that 01:14:57 <kk4ewt> jds2001: yes get address to ship to and the event box and vbnner can be shipped to the site 01:15:01 * inode0 chides late requests for this event resulting in obscene shipping charges 01:15:14 <masta> can we just pretend to undo that last cmd? 01:15:22 <inode0> please don't wait until the last minute and ask for stuff to be shipped as if it is an emergency :) 01:15:23 <jds2001> inode0: which event? 01:15:24 <lh> inode0, i have a suggestion on that to bring up during open floor 01:15:28 <masta> answer the question, your guest chair is not so sharp on these things 01:15:35 <inode0> puppetconf 01:15:41 <kk4ewt> masta you are ok at this point 01:15:47 <jds2001> oh :( 01:15:57 <rbergeron> hi 01:16:01 <dan408-> hi 01:16:11 <masta> ok ... 01:16:14 <kk4ewt> ok i am done with jds2001 event next 01:16:15 <masta> rbergeron: PuppetConf, San Francisco, September 27-28 2012 01:16:26 <graphite6> inode0: I don't think this is about PuppetConf, CO is on October 27 01:16:48 <graphite6> I mean CPOSC 2012 01:16:58 <inode0> graphite6: I was told today shipping junk to puppetconf cost $200 unless I misunderstood 01:17:03 <rbergeron> i am here, and ... i have all sorts of stuff here 01:17:11 <rbergeron> nothing got shipped here 01:17:20 <masta> rbergeron: oh dear 01:17:31 <inode0> well, I was told shipped to rbergeron and assumed it must have been for puppetconf 01:17:32 <kk4ewt> inode0: well alot of shipping not all for puppetconf 01:17:38 <rbergeron> oh, pens / etc. from stabby. 01:17:44 <graphite6> oh :( 01:17:48 <rbergeron> inode0: what was shipped? /me is exhausted 01:17:54 <inode0> no, this was just stuff from StabbyMc 01:18:02 <inode0> he didn't say what it was 01:19:31 <masta> ok so rbergeron you're on-site, and missing swag? 01:19:36 <rbergeron> well, sorry. i asked last week, but it was "nice to have' and not 200 dollar emergency - i hauled everything else myself since west coast box is apparently devoid of anything 01:19:39 <kk4ewt> inode0: this is swag that has been needed distrubuted 01:19:44 <inode0> it probably was shipped today 01:20:01 <rbergeron> no, i brought media, sa few stickers 01:20:30 <rbergeron> inode0: it may have been all the 5k stickers for fudcon paris that i am hauling over, though they wouldnt have come here. 01:21:02 <inode0> really I don't know where they went - but $200 is a big shipping bill for whatever it was 01:21:26 <inode0> ok, let's move on - that will sort itself out eventually 01:21:37 <rbergeron> yeah, i am just wondering if it was 200 for multiple packages to different places 01:21:41 <rbergeron> okay 01:21:50 <masta> ok... moving along 01:22:00 <masta> anything we need to log for the record here? 01:22:15 <masta> stuff is being shipped? 01:22:21 * rbergeron just reiterates that having a normally filled west coast event box would be useful so i dont have to piece together / wonder / drag along olpc's and demo laptops for everything here 01:22:29 <rbergeron> everything is hdre or nearly here 01:22:33 <lh> rbergeron, i have a suggestion for that for open floor 01:22:42 <rbergeron> let's move on 01:22:56 <masta> #info almost everything is ready, some things are still shipping 01:22:57 <MarkDude> Yay- for the box having more than small shirts in it (as I got it ) 01:22:59 <inode0> speaking of which, does anyone know where the west coast thinkpad is? 01:23:21 <rbergeron> markdude: is there a thinkpad in the event box? 01:23:25 <inode0> because it belongs in the event box 01:23:36 <MarkDude> Being used- for OLPC Summit in SF 01:23:49 <MarkDude> We want to show Sugar on more than OLPC 01:23:50 <masta> ok good 01:24:03 <dan408-> I will be bringing my laptop and a raspberry pi to demo 01:24:11 <masta> .famnaticket 42 01:24:12 <zodbot> masta: #42 (organize the amount of media still in-house a dsitrute according) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/42 01:24:20 <masta> cewillia: is that you? 01:24:32 <cewillia> yes 01:25:04 <masta> cewillia: go ahead plz 01:25:17 <kk4ewt> no she does have that 01:25:24 <kk4ewt> not 01:25:26 <kk4ewt> i do 01:25:43 <masta> kk4ewt: oh, alright then 01:25:52 <kk4ewt> masta cewillia is my wife and a new manatee 01:26:24 <MarkDude> Greetings cewillia :) 01:26:26 <kk4ewt> ok so we have contacted vwbusguy and things are getting distrubuted 01:26:30 <masta> kk4ewt: ok so I have a small number of pieces left from a recent event.... I'd be happy to ship that stuff to the next event 01:26:48 <kk4ewt> he sent me 200 pieces of media for OLF 01:26:55 <cewillia> Thank you MarkDude 01:27:04 * lh would happily take postcards and anything light and cheap to ship for Grace Hopper 01:27:14 <kk4ewt> masta we may end up redistrubuting that soom 01:27:31 <kk4ewt> soon 01:27:36 <masta> kk4ewt: ok, I'll let you have 1st priority 01:28:16 <masta> it's a great idea, to redistribute this stuff left over 01:28:22 <kk4ewt> ok now for grace hopper about all i can send is stickers and pens 01:28:31 <lh> kk4ewt, they'd be useful and appreciated 01:28:45 <kk4ewt> lh: need addresses 01:28:46 * lh has a few things she's saved from shows .... 01:28:48 <graphite6> #info masta has a small amount of media to redistribute 01:29:01 <lh> kk4ewt, shall do. please remind me where i file ticket or shall i just PM you? 01:29:19 <kk4ewt> lh ticket like no later than tomorrow 01:29:20 <graphite6> #info kk4ewt will send some stickers and pens to lh for Grace Hopper 01:29:24 <masta> lh: I have maybe 15 ~20 live-dvd media.... if kk4ewt +1's you are welcome to those too 01:29:31 <inode0> famnarequests trac please 01:29:55 <masta> lh: I'll help walk you through the famnarequest thing after the meeting 01:30:05 <graphite6> #info please request swag and media for events on famnarequests trac 01:30:15 <masta> lh: that is how we do things for swag, etc 01:30:43 <masta> ok.... We'll move on 01:30:53 <award3535> yes please 01:30:56 <masta> .famnaticket 41 01:30:59 <zodbot> masta: #41 (Norfolk, VA Maker Fair) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/41 01:31:02 <lh> masta, thank you 01:31:05 <masta> jduncan: you're on 01:31:21 <lh> kk4ewt, ticket filed after this meeting 01:31:55 <masta> jduncan|jersey: ping 01:32:06 <kk4ewt> maker fair has media and swag for the event 01:32:33 <award3535> do we need more volunteers for this evetn 01:33:32 <masta> award3535: maybe... if jduncan were here could get an answer :( 01:33:46 <masta> if he returns we can cover this on the open floor 01:33:53 <masta> .famnaticket 37 01:33:55 <zodbot> masta: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:34:05 <masta> ianweller: your o :) 01:34:16 <masta> ... on 01:34:21 * inode0 thinks that is stalled waiting on legal 01:34:35 <ianweller> still waiting on legal 01:34:54 <masta> #info still waiting on legal 01:35:05 <masta> .famnaticket 36 01:35:07 <zodbot> masta: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 01:35:15 <masta> inode0: you're up 01:35:20 <inode0> me? 01:35:29 <masta> you're ticket 01:35:38 <masta> ok this one is for all ambassadors here 01:35:50 <masta> FADNA ticket 01:36:09 <nb> fyi i am here now 01:36:11 <nb> cewillia, HI! 01:36:13 * nb is glad to hear you are becoming an ambassador 01:36:14 <inode0> well, I guess I'm going to propose we add one day to the beginning of FUDCon Lawrence for part of this and work the rest into FUDCon 01:36:21 <masta> do we combine this with FUDCON? 01:36:22 <cewillia> HI nb 01:36:36 <award3535> was there a final place where we are going to have FADNA 01:36:42 <masta> What is the zodbot cmd to start a vote? 01:36:47 <cewillia> not quite yet sure how that train hit me but it did 01:36:50 * inode0 just proposed Lawrence 01:37:12 <kk4ewt> +1 to lawerence 01:37:16 * masta proposes Lawrence - one day before FUDcon 01:37:21 <masta> all in favor say +1 01:37:21 <nb> award3535, at fudcon lawrence i think 01:37:23 <nb> tentatively 01:37:26 <graphite6> +1 to lawrence 01:37:30 <award3535> thanks 01:37:31 <nb> +1 01:37:32 * rbergeron is concerned we are running into holidays if we do it with enough advance warning/planning 01:37:33 <lh> +1 01:37:45 <rbergeron> so lawrence seems reasonable to me :D 01:37:50 <award3535> winter there is not fun either 01:37:51 * nb wonders if this will help fudcon budget 01:38:01 <nb> since we might could call some travel stuff fad travel not fudcon travel 01:38:21 <nb> and thus have more funding left in the fudcon budget for non fadna people 01:38:26 * ianweller hears "budget" and runs for the hills 01:38:29 <rbergeron> nb: posssssibly but i dont want to set that as precedent :D 01:38:36 <nb> rbergeron, true] 01:38:59 <nb> i could see it becoming "Hey, lets plan a fad at fudcon so we can get more people paid for to go to fudcon" 01:39:00 * masta +1's Lawrence 01:39:02 <inode0> ianweller: we likely will need some help from you 01:39:12 <inode0> not budget help though :) 01:39:16 <nb> i think infrastructure might be planning a fad around that time too 01:39:24 <rbergeron> but yes, i mean, extra hotel and etc. we will sort it out :D 01:39:26 <nb> but i don't think it will really conflict 01:40:09 <inode0> so we are agreed to spend the day before FUDCon at the Lawrence bus station working on FADNA? 01:40:33 <MarkDude> Were we able to get Ambassador related stuff done at last FUDcon? 01:40:33 <graphite6> :D 01:40:44 <nb> ianweller, do you think KU would be receptive ot letting us have some rooom the day before fudcon 01:40:45 <masta> so we agree on Lawrence, one day ahead of FUDcon? We have five + and zero against 01:40:46 <nb> s/some/a/ 01:40:52 <inode0> MarkDude: not very much to be honest 01:41:00 <ianweller> nb: probably, but something like a hotel conference room might work too 01:41:02 <MarkDude> We could not even get all folks in one Ambassador meeting 01:41:07 <ianweller> but i'll talk to kim 01:41:14 * inode0 notes we will include parts of FADNA business during FUDCon as well 01:41:16 <rbergeron> nb, ianweller: we also have the option of using conf. room at hotel 01:41:22 <inode0> so it won't all be done the day before FUDCon 01:41:22 <nb> true 01:41:28 <MarkDude> If there is NOTHING going on at the same time- it may be fine 01:41:32 <nb> does hotel have wifi? i hope? 01:41:39 <ianweller> nb: if it doesn't i'll install it myself 01:41:40 <MarkDude> otherwise- it gets too splintered 01:41:47 <award3535> so how does this work for the word budget 01:41:57 <ianweller> nb: (hotel agreement is not official yet, but the one we are looking at does have wifi, yes) 01:42:06 <nb> and not crazy paid wifi like SELF hotel 01:42:08 <nb> ianweller, great 01:42:13 <MarkDude> +1 for corn country as long as FADNA has nothing going on at same time 01:42:37 <inode0> also I'll remind folks we did FADNA 2008 at a conference room at the OLF hotel and that worked fine for us 01:42:42 <ianweller> MarkDude: the only other thing that will be going on is everybody else showing up for fudcon and me freaking out 01:43:01 <ianweller> so basically nothign 01:43:33 <MarkDude> Cool, thx 01:43:41 <masta> #agreed FADNA one day before FUDCON in Lawrence - details to come regarding the conf room 01:43:46 <kk4ewt> nb self hotel has free wifi 01:43:46 <inode0> c'mon, there will be plenty going on - you'll need to decide what is important to you 01:43:47 <MarkDude> plain + 1 then :) 01:44:02 <nb> kk4ewt, wasn't it only if you heard the password? 01:44:07 <nb> which i did, but only like on the 2nd day 01:44:16 <nb> i used my myfi on my cell phone the first day 01:44:16 <award3535> can someone fix the FADNA page with the information and the ticket is not updated either 01:44:19 <kk4ewt> no if you asked at the desk 01:44:21 <nb> oh 01:45:09 <masta> as long as my phone is kept on a charger it can serve as a mobile hotspot <shrug> 01:45:40 <masta> so internet in the conf room is the main priority it would seem 01:46:06 * jds2001 has a dedicated mifi device....not sure what that matters, though :) 01:46:06 <inode0> ok, we'll continue working on the agenda which will have more on it than we can do so ... 01:46:11 <masta> can we move on, one more ticket then open floor 01:46:22 <award3535> before we do 01:46:24 <kk4ewt> move +1 01:46:24 <inode0> we need to prioritize it so we do what is most important and be sure to get that done 01:46:36 <masta> .famnaticket 26 01:46:39 <zodbot> masta: #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 01:46:48 <masta> graphite6: you're up 01:46:49 <award3535> I would like to have more information on ticket 36 it is not up to date 01:47:14 <graphite6> I agree with award3535, the FADNA ticket needs to be updated 01:47:38 <award3535> I am working in the blind with information that has not been updated 01:47:42 <inode0> feel free or wait until someone else finds time to update it :) 01:47:52 <masta> any volunters to update the FADNA ticket? 01:48:07 <award3535> sure but I have none of the information 01:48:34 <masta> award3535: great, just put in there we have decided on the time and location 01:48:52 <masta> we can at least start making the plan now 01:49:09 <award3535> ok, do we have a page set up for FADNA 01:49:43 <award3535> it too is outdated 01:49:45 <inode0> graphite6 started a wiki page long ago 01:50:02 <award3535> guess I have my work cut out for me 01:50:02 <masta> ok graphite6 - OLF? 01:50:05 <inode0> nothing was agreed to until tonight - everything is out of date! 01:50:47 <inode0> how about giving us until next meeting to update things? 01:50:59 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 01:51:27 <graphite6> that was the page I started but I don't know if anyone has updated it since I put it in place 01:51:34 <graphite6> Okay, OLF 01:51:43 <graphite6> I finalized the OLF event page today 01:51:49 <kk4ewt> olf is taken care of 01:51:53 <graphite6> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2012 01:52:06 * inode0 wants to go to comiccon, er, olf 01:52:13 <award3535> I will update it with any new information that I have, please email me any other items so that I can put the information up 01:52:21 <graphite6> can't wait to meet cewillia and CodeBlock 01:53:24 <graphite6> yup, as kk4ewt says, OLF is good to go :D 01:53:29 <cewillia> graphite6: you don't know what you're in for....LOL 01:53:38 <masta> :) 01:53:51 <graphite6> cewillia: it will be awesome :D 01:54:04 <graphite6> masta: you can go to open floor 01:54:05 <kk4ewt> graphite6: and you did hear that news 01:54:06 <masta> ok great OLF is good to go. 01:54:16 <masta> #topic Open floor 01:54:20 <kk4ewt> comicon is there as well 01:54:35 <graphite6> <3 Patrick Stewart 01:54:39 <inode0> talk about a distraction 01:54:52 <cewillia> graphite6: I can't wait either 01:54:56 <award3535> Please email me information concerning FADNA so that I can update the pages and ticket 01:55:12 <masta> award3535: yes sir 01:55:31 <award3535> Ty 01:55:32 <graphite6> #info email award3535 with info about FADNA so he can update pages and the ticket 01:55:41 <masta> award3535: now that we have actualyl decided the event location and time we can work out the details, or they work themselves out... 01:56:12 <graphite6> I think lh had something she wanted to discuss during open floor? 01:56:22 <lh> graphite6, indeed 01:56:34 <lh> graphite6, thanks distracted 01:56:51 <lh> So .... we go round and round about shipping a lot and I have a proposed solution, but it would take a lot of legwork. 01:57:26 <lh> There are businesses called fulfillment houses that will store items for you and take orders to send a specific picklist of inventory on hand to a particular location 01:57:28 <award3535> Masta: I believe that too, but it just is frustrating for me who is all by himself down in this corner of the country SE Georgia is a long way to anywhere 01:57:32 <lh> they can also accept return of items 01:58:04 <lh> in some cases, these businesses also can produce items for you and restock missing supply if instructed to keep a certain amount of inventory on hand 01:58:13 <lh> bonus points - some even press media and package it 01:58:46 <masta> award3535: hey there! no worries the buren to plan this is not on you, but do please feel free to get the wiki page going on it's journy and the rest of us will jump in as things work-out 01:58:48 <lh> I think we'd be better off putting our volunteer resources to finding businesses like these in our local communities and outsource this task since volunteers have many responsibilities. 01:59:13 <MarkDude> +1 01:59:17 <lh> We can also decrease lead times on shipments by having an easy means to ship, or so I would hope. 01:59:22 <kk4ewt> lh iagree to a point 01:59:30 <lh> kk4ewt, where does this fall apart? 01:59:33 <graphite6> #idea use fulfillment houses to store and distribute swag 01:59:34 <MarkDude> For at least *part* of the shipping 01:59:34 <lh> kk4ewt, i do have more to add 01:59:46 <award3535> Thank You, atleast I feel better now 01:59:49 <MarkDude> Stuff that is standard- like small event- large event, etc 02:00:06 <kk4ewt> go ahead 02:00:13 <lh> Ok, so I admit I have not run the math on this but could 02:00:24 <masta> lh: that sounds great, but what is the cost of these fulfillment companies? 02:00:31 <kk4ewt> pleasedo 02:00:38 * inode0 suspect a lot more but keeps his ears open 02:00:52 <lh> If there are companies doing shipping for Fedora, I assume that we can get them a subaccount from Red Hat's FedEx acct and decrease shipping costs by around 30% and i believe more 02:01:02 <lh> masta, unclear to me. this is where i mentioned legwork. 02:01:07 <inode0> can we have that? :) 02:01:21 <lh> masta, in corvallis, oregon, there's a little shop that does this work because they also do a lot of work for OSU. 02:01:33 <lh> i am sure these places exist in all of our backyards but I don't have time to find them 02:01:44 <lh> but if folks were so inclined to do some research, get bids .... ? 02:01:45 * MarkDude suggests a rough estimate from our shippers- seeing how many hours are spent on this- with a goal of keeping them to ship more specific items and stuff :) 02:02:14 <lh> inode0, unclear if RH would create a FedEx cost code but if i can prove it saves money, why wouldn't they? 02:02:19 * lh sees only win there 02:02:26 <inode0> you can look at my wiki page detailing credit card expenses to see most of the shipping charges 02:03:00 <graphite6> I'd also like to see lists of what is standard and not standard for small or large event just for my own education 02:03:05 <lh> inode0, noted 02:03:10 <lh> graphite6, +1 to that 02:03:14 <inode0> lh: I don't know but since they know we use other shippers and haven't offered I'm guessing maybe there is a reason 02:03:43 <masta> reducing logistical complexity is good, but it is also nice to have the distribution channel here on irc 02:03:47 <graphite6> I would be willing to look into fulfillment houses in the Denver area or should I expand out to the Rockies region? 02:03:59 <lh> inode0, i think the RH shipping dept. is one human in raleigh and one human in westford and they don't think about anything but keeping the lights on but that is just a vague suspicion based on who i email for silly customs questions 02:04:11 * inode0 suggests we find one and get costs 02:04:33 <MarkDude> +1 02:04:49 <inode0> lh: but others in RHT do work with us paying for and setting up shipping accounts and have for years 02:04:49 <masta> +1 02:04:50 <lh> inode0, i know who we used for google but they're going to be pricey and they are not ... local shall we say 02:05:04 <inode0> maybe this obvious thing didn't occur to any of them :) 02:05:27 <lh> inode0, probably not, we are all only human :) 02:05:35 <rbergeron> inode0: well, i think it's more obvious if u are in an office with other humans and a shipping department 02:05:46 <rbergeron> or you had to ship a shitton of stickers as lh did 02:05:47 <graphite6> inode0: agree to finding some fulfillment houses and spec-ing out the costs to see if it is feasible 02:05:48 <lh> rbergeron, good point. 02:06:02 <lh> rbergeron, that was actually more suehle, but i did help 02:06:51 <inode0> I don't think we spend enough on shipping to be honest to make this profitable to outsource - just a hunch on my part 02:07:13 <inode0> But even if it costs a bit more it may be worth it 02:07:30 <lh> inode0, i am hoping that if there's a smooth process that we will have fewer rush shipments 02:07:39 <masta> it would make lives easier, we hope... if these companies are reliable 02:07:44 <lh> kk4ewt, you said you agreed partially, did you have more to add? 02:07:48 * inode0 doubts it as that depends on people to plan ahead :) 02:07:50 <lh> masta, that's their job. :) 02:07:59 <MarkDude> inode0, lol :D 02:08:09 <lh> inode0, you raise an excellent point sir. i will live in hope. 02:08:33 <graphite6> +1 to getting fulfillment house costs and comparing them to our current shipping costs 02:08:38 <kk4ewt> lh the reason we handle this now is because we can do it cheaper than Redhat was getting things done in the past 02:09:04 <lh> kk4ewt, cheaper because of vendor or because of rush shipments or ...? 02:09:21 <kk4ewt> lh we have very few rush shipmets 02:09:23 <lh> kk4ewt, and happy to get history offline - it is past the hour 02:09:42 <inode0> and almost all rush shipments involve our sponsor on the other end :) 02:09:45 <kk4ewt> i know of maybe one per year 02:10:27 <kk4ewt> lh: like your marker fair will not be rushed because i will ship tomorrow 02:10:49 <kk4ewt> but this request should have been earlier 02:10:59 <lh> kk4ewt, i think there is something to be said for having a place that you can pay to poke people and say "where is the beefy suit, $NAME" or whatever so we don't have to do it in these meetings 02:11:04 <lh> kk4ewt, marker fair? 02:11:20 <dan408-> +1 lh 02:11:20 <kk4ewt> whatever your event in baltimore is 02:11:30 * inode0 thinks just off-loading the work would be nice if we can - but doing it ourselves does have the advantage that we can know it gets done 02:11:31 <lh> kk4ewt, grace hopper, yes, i understand. 02:11:54 <lh> i think it is at least worth investigating 02:12:03 <kk4ewt> lh we never bought a beefy suite 02:12:11 <lh> especially since smaller local places are willing to do small rush runs for you when needed 02:12:16 <inode0> everyone agrees and one price point will probably give us a good clue 02:12:18 <kk4ewt> anytime it was needed one was rented 02:12:18 <lh> kk4ewt, it was an example. 02:13:09 <masta> we are 13 minutes past due 02:13:30 <graphite6> inode0: I have to disagree on the part of 'knowing it gets done' - requesting swag and knowing who is responsible and if it got sent seems to be a bit mysterious at the moment and lately very contentious, and finally all done by pm, email, or in last minute irc chats 02:13:38 <graphite6> that's just my opinion though 02:13:42 <kk4ewt> lh i have no issue with checking 02:13:47 <lh> folks have agreed that its worth getting a data point and i would be curious about the results. as i mentioned, this is not something i have time to pursue. i had a discussion about this with rbergeron and the folks who do swag for Red Hat and they can't provide these services. 02:14:04 * inode0 does not think that is a fair characterization of the process 02:14:08 <lh> graphite6, no, you're saying what i see too. i think it makes a lot of sense for some people but they've done it a lot. 02:14:57 * lh was hoping to come with a useful proposal but was unable to get one from available vendor on the books 02:15:21 <award3535> I was a little puzzled at first, but things worked out for request, the process works when you use tickets 02:15:24 <inode0> next week, next month, we will still be here with the same problems :) 02:16:19 <masta> ok folks... I'm going to end the meeting soon 02:16:26 <masta> any final words? 02:16:38 <award3535> good meeting tonight 02:16:49 <lh> masta, thanks for chairing 02:16:58 <masta> #endmeeting