02:03:32 #startmeeting FAmNA 02:03:32 Meeting started Wed Nov 14 02:03:32 2012 UTC. The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:03:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:03:32 #meetingname FAmNA 02:03:32 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:03:33 #topic === Roll Call === 02:03:38 * dan408_ waves 02:03:39 .fas herlo 02:03:39 herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' 02:03:42 evening 02:03:49 .fas vicodan 02:03:52 dan408_: vicodan 'Dan Mashal' 02:03:53 * Evil_Sonar_Chick 02:04:17 hello Evil_Sonar_Chick 02:04:35 Hello dan408_ 02:05:19 .fas nick@bebout 02:05:20 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 02:05:28 * inode0 is here 02:05:38 Hi everyone 02:05:47 #chair herlo inode0 dan408_ award3535 nb masta rbergeron wrnash1 02:05:47 Current chairs: award3535 dan408_ herlo inode0 masta nb rbergeron wrnash1 02:05:53 greetings all 02:06:05 thank you for joinging tonights FAmNA meeting 02:06:15 Lets get this going 02:06:15 thank you for chairing 02:06:40 or hosting* 02:06:41 * herlo wants to be charring :) 02:06:48 herlo: charring what? 02:06:53 food 02:06:54 #topic === Announcements === 02:07:08 i am charring last night's pizza in the toaster oven 02:07:35 yum. I had chicken enchiladas this evening. Quite good. 02:07:48 announcemnet: I am running for board. vote for me. i love you. 02:08:03 dan408_: lol 02:08:12 any Famsco nominations? 02:08:22 masta: there are four running 02:08:24 yes there were some 02:08:28 announcement: we don't need campaigning in the meeting 02:08:32 ok that is good to read 02:08:40 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_nominations 02:08:52 nb: +1 02:09:05 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_nominations 02:09:17 thx inode0 - helpful as always 02:10:12 fyi - I'm on the road this week, and if my connection dies, somebody take over..... 02:10:23 that said, I'll move on... quickly 02:10:57 #topic === Tickets === 02:11:02 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 02:11:22 .famnaticket 33 02:11:23 #topic Ticket #33 - 2012 Fedora Merchandise Order 02:11:23 masta: #33 (2012 Fedora Merchandise Order) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/33 02:12:19 I see a recent'ish update on t-shirts 02:12:25 * rbergeron comes back! 02:12:25 oh 02:12:40 I do have quotes and asked around for some advice on quantities 02:12:41 I would like to see us get some of the hats that EMEA is ordering 02:12:50 Spoke to suehle about playing cards, she's still recovering, we will need to get the costs from her and let her know the limit 02:12:56 they are about $3.80 each i think 02:13:20 one thing at a time makes for an easier to follow discussion 02:13:34 * rbergeron agrees 02:13:47 ok let's talk t-shirts for now 02:14:20 I asked some Fedora women for advice on what to get for women's cut t-shirts 02:14:33 oh, was i supposed to tell you something there 02:14:46 I'll try to run some numbers and suggest a mix for under $2k 02:15:04 this week sometime :) 02:15:09 that sounds great 02:15:20 * rbergeron knows sometimes women's shirts can run very small so it might be worth asking if they are of the type that might do that 02:15:46 * inode0 was planning the vast majority in the M-XL range 02:15:50 are we going to go with the same blue shirt? 02:15:56 a few S 02:15:57 be discreet inode0 .... word to the wise 02:16:07 ;-) 02:16:20 masta: just following the advice I got! 02:16:23 when talking about a womans sizes 02:16:58 dan408_: these will be the splatter design 02:17:01 ok great, now what about hats in EMEA? nb? 02:17:05 inode0: black? 02:17:14 the base color is black 02:17:22 +1 inode0 02:17:37 EMEA is getting baseball caps made 02:17:43 they are like $3.80 each i think it was 02:17:45 * nb looks for the pics 02:17:46 +1 02:17:58 I would like to have sesivany increase the order to add some for us 02:18:10 * inode0 recalls at the EMEA meeting they decided to just order and share with us - will order more later if needed 02:18:31 * dan408_ suggests a limited order of hats to see how popular they would be in NA first 02:18:43 oh, they will be very popular :) 02:18:44 ok so we don't need to add hats to the ticket then, right? 02:18:55 * nb wants one 02:19:04 how about blue Fedoras? 02:19:05 * award3535 me too 02:19:07 I'd like one of those 02:19:14 but we are going to get what EMEA offers, not what we choose for the first round 02:19:21 no Fedoras 02:19:24 is what i've been told before 02:19:27 logo stuff 02:19:34 dan408_: I think the fedora's would dilute the trademark of our benifactor 02:19:43 no fedoras 02:19:50 :) 02:20:09 * inode0 proposes we "pre-approve" say 200 just so we have budget ready for them 02:20:18 +1 02:20:20 +1 02:20:21 +1 02:20:22 +1 02:20:26 +1 02:20:33 inode0: for shirts, I'd argue L-XXL is more common 02:20:37 but +1 anyway 02:20:39 looks like unanamus 02:20:41 +1 02:20:42 XL most common 02:20:51 herlo: I'm talking about women's cut shirts there :) 02:20:53 is it #agree or #agreed 02:20:55 oh 02:21:02 inode0: oh, I didn't scroll back enough I guess 02:21:03 agreed 02:21:04 inode0, +1 02:21:11 masta, #agreed 02:21:19 womens shirts S-XL? 02:21:23 * inode0 will get monstrously big ones for everyone else 02:21:27 yay 02:21:40 #agreed - We pre-approve ~200 hats to ensure budget is available 02:21:52 i mean dont they kind of intermingle with mens sizes past medium anyway? 02:21:59 do we add 2200 hats to the ticket, and at what cost? 02:22:04 err... 200 02:22:08 we are finished with shirts, let's focus 02:22:09 $3.80 02:22:46 noting we approved that is excellent 02:22:47 ok, who is going to update the ticket with the hats? 02:23:08 * inode0 looks at nb since he is driving this 02:23:11 if that is the #action item... correct me if wrong 02:23:55 otay 02:24:09 * nb can 02:24:19 * rbergeron notes that emea folks seemed to agree on buying their quantity and agreeing to ship some to us... perhaps while we got our crap together to send stuff back to them 02:24:27 #action nb to update famna ticket #33 to include the 200 hats @ $3.80 per 02:24:32 i think the famsco ticket has details 02:25:37 ok so we get our crap gathered, and send hats back to emea 02:25:48 ;-) 02:26:37 shall we talk cards? 02:27:11 we can talk about whatever you like 02:27:38 sure, is Suehle not feelign well? 02:27:48 she is the card lady, yes? 02:27:50 no she is isck but i had a brief talk 02:27:50 she got back from emea a few days ago and is sick 02:28:04 [18:12] Spoke to suehle about playing cards, she's still recovering, we will need to get the costs from her and let her know the limit 02:28:05 hello everyone, this my first FAmNA meeting, sorry for being late! 02:28:06 we need to know what cards cost and decide whether and how much we want to spend on them 02:28:16 so does anyone here know what they cost? 02:28:21 see above 02:28:28 ok, next week then 02:28:36 action item on me 02:28:42 yes, next week we talk cards 02:28:59 * award3535 is lost with cards, are they playing cards 02:29:00 welcome gentt 02:29:05 award3535, yes, playing cards 02:29:13 yes normal playing cards 02:29:29 #info - Get well Suehle - we will talk playing cards with you next meeting - need to know the cost, and based on that we will then agree how many we want to order. 02:29:58 is there any other things on thsi ticket? 02:30:00 Sorry I have been out for the past two meetings, wife is recovering from major surgery, 02:30:01 were usb sticks talked about? 02:30:14 * inode0 notes these aren't on the approved list and we should get them added to it 02:30:55 inode0: agreed 02:31:05 * rbergeron has no idea what they cost 02:31:44 they are pretty nice cards 02:31:54 dan408_: send spot a note asking for playing cards to be blessed as an approved type of merchandise for us to produce please 02:31:57 * dan408_ will post pics of the cards 02:32:13 masta: please add that as an action item for me 02:32:35 everyone can action themselves for the record 02:32:42 dan408_: having cards blessed by spot? 02:32:59 dan408_: you are in a chair, btw 02:32:59 yes and getting cost from suehle 02:33:24 I am happy to do it dan408_ 02:33:49 just #action it so i remember 02:33:57 #action Dan is going to get the cards blessed through spot, and get the cost from Suehle 02:34:11 there you go 02:34:29 it's down on your perm record 02:34:30 be sure to ask that cards be an "approved type" so he adds it to the trademark guidelines 02:34:51 thx 02:35:13 ok folks, we ae moving on.... 02:35:26 last call for swag talk 02:35:40 and here we go... 02:35:41 .famnaticket 36 02:35:42 #topic Ticket #36 - Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA) 02:35:43 masta: #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 02:35:54 yay! 02:36:32 yep 02:36:33 http://i.imgur.com/Wg00Q.jpg <-- cards 02:36:36 * kk4ewt 02:36:41 * award3535 will not be able to attend 02:36:45 #chair kk4ewt 02:36:45 Current chairs: award3535 dan408_ herlo inode0 kk4ewt masta nb rbergeron wrnash1 02:37:03 kk4ewt: spoke to suehle about hotel block, we have the day before fudcon reserved for FADNA 02:37:06 * masta is going, have not reserved hotel yet 02:37:08 kk4ewt: use the same code 02:37:44 dan408_: so if we have already reserved, we just need to update now? 02:37:59 just book another day i guess 02:38:11 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012 02:38:15 the wiki page needs some love 02:38:33 if you are attending please add yourself, if you are giving a talk or someone has put you down to give a talk, please make sure it is updated 02:39:09 dan408_: I think you can edit your current stay 02:39:16 but either way should work 02:39:30 herlo: haven't booked hotel yet, need to work out with my roomshare first 02:39:37 new link 02:39:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 02:39:43 wow, thinkgs i talked about 2 years ago 02:39:56 rbergeron: i cloned the 2010 page when making the 2012 page 02:40:04 dan408_: ahh 02:40:32 memories 02:40:33 this is when we were trying to figure out WHERE to do it and before deciding to do it the day before FUDCON 02:40:49 so now i just cloned the 2012 page and created the 2013 page 02:40:59 please add your names if you are attending 02:41:10 and if you want to talk, please talk 02:41:34 Ian Weller obviously the local person, also saw someone else local from the FUDCON page 02:41:36 #info Please add your names to the above wiki page if you're going to FADNA 02:42:31 I will update the hotel info 02:42:38 w00t! was able to modify my reservation :) 02:42:49 and as always think about making our activity day productive 02:42:50 yay 02:42:59 question about the hotel - do we have a conference room or something reserved? 02:43:20 i dont know, rbergeron can you work with suehle and ianweller on that? 02:43:26 I believe at one point we were to ask Suehle about a conf room? 02:43:43 rbergeron: since you are always one step ahead of me anyway ;) 02:44:16 it just seems more critical than the $5 discount on the day before reservations :) 02:44:48 indeed 02:44:49 she is obtaining the conference room 02:44:58 woohoo 02:45:00 we already have it for friday evening 02:45:00 thanks 02:45:04 great! 02:45:27 for FADNA can someone give a talk on doing event reports and blogging? I think it's a needed subject 02:45:43 (especially since we'll all need event reports and blogging about fadna and fudcon) 02:45:48 that would be better at FUDCon perhaps 02:46:00 since others write them too 02:46:30 whatever's clever 02:46:33 although all it amounts to is write about what happened, share your experience with others, etc. 02:47:04 inode0: so it would be a 15 minute talk for you :) 02:47:31 or since you have several to do now it will all be fresh in your mind :) 02:48:53 perhaps this weekend some of us planning to attend could do a bit of irc coordinated hacking on the fadna page 02:49:34 sounds good 02:49:43 how about sunday? 02:49:44 well can we decide on who wants to give a talk, what they want to talk about, and who is actually attending? 02:49:58 fadna isn't so much about talks 02:50:07 what is it about? 02:50:17 getting stuff done 02:50:18 it is about doing stuff that needs done 02:50:38 ambassador hackathon day 02:50:40 some talks can fit into that - but doing work is key 02:50:44 okay so could someone in leadership please let us know what we need to get done that isn't getting done? 02:50:58 ambassador related talks really fit into FUDCon though 02:51:34 here are three things that aren't done that should be done 02:51:44 * rbergeron thinks that planning out next year in terms of events, budgets, "new things" would be useful 02:51:57 1) have a pretty good idea of the schedule of events we want to cover in the next fiscal year 02:52:05 i really dont want to be doing much talking at fudcon, more learning 02:52:16 2) have a pretty good idea of what merchandise we want to produce in the next fiscal year 02:52:40 3) create a proposed budget as detailed as possible based on 1 & 2 for the next fiscal year 02:53:08 that might be a little out of sync with budgeting internal to RHT but will go a long way toward preparing us for the future 02:53:14 sounds good 02:53:21 * dan408_ adds these things to the wiki 02:53:29 that leads into the next topic 02:53:31 the wiki is sucking for new ambassadors especially 02:53:40 herlo: new link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 02:53:58 i will merge the changes 02:54:02 we should rework the famna pages so new ambassadors have an easier time coming up to speed with the way famna works 02:54:17 yes 02:54:42 or, make the metor's job easier by having a better famna page for new mentors 02:54:55 err.... new ambassadors 02:54:58 processes for swag production (trademark compliance, etc.) should be easily available for reference for example 02:55:45 if event reporting is problematic, we should document what we expect so it isn't problematic 02:55:58 is a beefy miracle cutout needed for FADNA? 02:56:20 hopefully we will have spherical cow by then 02:56:22 by then we should be round cow 02:56:24 people ready to work is and clearly defined goals is what is needed for FADNA 02:56:51 no but it needs to be shipped home to ruth 02:57:38 we have 3 minutes left in our time slot, this meeting will run long tonight 02:57:54 * inode0 is ready to move on :) 02:58:02 ok, i'm glad we have talked about FADNA, good stuff 02:58:15 agree 02:58:25 .famnaticket 45 02:58:25 #topic Ticket #45 - Discuss FAmNA Reimbursement Guidelines 02:58:27 masta: #45 (Discuss FAmNA Reimbursement Guidelines) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/45 02:59:07 here is a link in that ticket 02:59:13 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines 02:59:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAMNA_Reimbursement_Guidelines 03:00:16 anybody have any comment here? 03:00:18 * inode0 thinks he is ok with that 03:00:47 ok 03:00:52 I have no quiestions, seems fair, that is about how i completed my last reimbursments 03:01:11 still going through the process atm 03:01:15 no comments now 03:01:33 ok lets move along swiftly 03:01:36 +1 for it 03:01:42 +1 03:02:29 +1 03:02:34 #topic == Who will be the next FAmNA meeting chair? == 03:02:43 +1 03:03:07 * dan408_ eyes masta 03:03:13 perhaps the last more important item to talk about.... the future of next week meeting 03:03:53 I see 03:03:54 * award3535 ? 03:03:57 same as this week with me being primary? 03:03:58 * masta votes for masta 03:04:06 * award3535 okay 03:04:07 * inode0 will try to remember to add to the announcements who is the meeting leader in the future 03:04:16 do we really need to meet next weeks (it is thanksgiving week) 03:04:21 next week 03:04:32 +1 kk4ewt 03:04:34 we can decide to not meet 03:04:53 but we will need someone to take the following week 03:04:53 is thanksgiving in exactly one week from now? 03:04:58 * inode0 doesn't mind meeting two days before thanksgiving 03:05:01 next thurs 03:05:18 I'm fine with a meetign next week, any time 03:05:21 * rbergeron has nothing else going on... shopping happens after thanksgiving 03:05:25 ;D 03:05:44 we can deal with the outstanding swag issue quickly and perhaps bask in the glory of fadna progress from this weekend :) 03:05:48 * dan408_ is indifferent. will be at work most likely either way 03:06:20 * herlo only cares enough to say he will likely be available 03:06:25 ok so lets plan on same bat time, same bat place 03:06:34 +1 03:06:35 +1 03:06:36 might be a light meeting 03:06:37 +1 03:06:42 +1 03:06:52 and I might have missed it but the meeting leader will be? 03:07:05 host for next week primary, myself, secondary masta tertiary kk4ewt? 03:07:24 sounds goo 03:07:26 * inode0 just wants the person in charge :) 03:07:33 ok 03:07:38 #info Dan will be the meeting lead next week, masta is 2nd in line 03:08:01 * inode0 thanks you guys for helping run these meetings 03:08:04 i will maybe be here next weel 03:08:12 night everyone, got an early start in the am 03:08:13 will be just arriving in RDU for fad infrastructure security 03:08:14 #topic == Open Floor === 03:08:21 or no, thats in 2 weeks 03:08:33 new FADNA wiki link 03:08:35 nb: right 03:08:35 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 03:08:43 inode0: please review 03:09:00 and rbergeron as well 03:09:17 there is a dinner? 03:09:23 there was in 2010 :D 03:09:33 2008? you mean? 03:09:37 whenever it was 03:09:43 or maybe that 2009 03:10:01 2010 there was a great dinner 03:10:05 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2013 03:10:07 err 03:10:11 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010 03:10:20 oh, right Ames 03:10:21 pulled pork fresh from the smoker 03:10:26 aye, that was great! 03:10:35 i simply cloned the 2010 wiki page 03:10:42 * herlo apologizes for forgetting. 03:11:02 so long ago it seems 03:11:11 doesn't it? 03:11:19 wow, yeah, kinda... 03:11:24 time flies 03:11:26 * herlo feels old 03:12:21 ok folks... head over to #fedora-ambassadors to pickup the conversation 03:12:29 thanks for a great meeting 03:12:35 see you next week 03:12:41 #endmeeting