02:00:04 #startmeeting FAmNA 02:00:04 Meeting started Wed Nov 6 02:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is masta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:04 #meetingname FAmNA 02:00:04 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:04 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 02:00:16 * kk4ewt 02:00:17 Hello 02:00:20 Anybody about? 02:01:25 i am 02:01:29 #chair kk4ewt 02:01:29 Current chairs: kk4ewt masta 02:01:45 thanks for joining tonight kk4ewt =) 02:02:06 inode0: ping 02:02:31 tonight will be a quick meeting I hope 02:03:20 #topic === Announcements === 02:04:12 So we got some ambassadors into the working groups 02:04:34 which is great 02:04:38 * inode0 arrives 02:04:50 #chair inode0 02:04:50 Current chairs: inode0 kk4ewt masta 02:05:34 thanks for joining inode0 =) 02:05:49 looks like one ticket tonight 02:05:54 #topic === Tickets === 02:05:54 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 02:06:22 .famnaticket 67 02:06:22 i dumped my remaining f19 media on LISA along with the last of my pens 02:06:23 masta: #67 (Fedora booth at USENIX LISA) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/67 02:06:56 event box and banners arrived on friday 02:07:49 kk4ewt: thanks for supporting the logistics for that event =) 02:07:57 much appreciated 02:08:48 looks like jzb is not here, so we can move on to Open floor 02:09:04 #topic == Open Floor === 02:09:39 Hi, I have a topic for open floor 02:09:40 kk4ewt: I believe stabymc was in here a week or so ago proposing to purchase more ink pens 02:09:58 sgallagh: please go on 02:10:22 As you mentioned, we brought some of the Ambassadors onto the WGs in order to keep everyone in the loop. 02:10:54 As well as facilitating our "story-telling" about the changes and how we present the new products to the world 02:11:17 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in. 02:11:36 I'd like to ask the Ambassadors to start talking about this plan wherever possible, asking people to come back and contribute ideas (not just technical ideas but marketing and use-cases) 02:12:36 Perhaps in social media, and/or events? 02:12:54 Anywhere you can think of. 02:12:57 Sorry I'm a bit late, can I get a cliff notes on what the plan is? 02:13:19 it would be great to increase exposure for Fedora.Next 02:13:21 This is a big event that's going to affect pretty much everything, so best to get as much input while the snowball is still only a few inches in diameter :) 02:13:38 *as much input as possible 02:14:24 sgallagh: speaking for myself, agree 100% 02:14:44 sgallagh: and what is this plan? 02:15:16 kk4ewt: The three products: Fedora Workstation, Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud 02:15:35 As well as the Base Design and Stacks/Environments that support them 02:16:08 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next 02:17:32 The times are changing, and we really do need to have talking points on all that is new, and pay attention to new developments ... several balls up in the air right now 02:17:43 Wow 02:19:04 for example, at LISA we could focus the booth towards more the server offering... other events balance between workstation, cloud, and server.... 02:19:18 focus where appropriate 02:20:22 * sgallagh nods 02:20:26 however I sense that what sgallagh is proposing is more of a two-way thing... we talk about this with the community and bring back ideas 02:20:41 That's what I (speaking for Fedora Server) would like to see 02:21:18 I'm looking for answers to two questions: 1) "What does Fedora do well today that we should be careful not to break?". 2) "What should Fedora be better at?" 02:21:29 Lots of things going on that looks exciting 02:21:32 Yes, these are highly-subjective and open-ended. 02:22:35 #info Server WG would like Ambassadors to talk to the community about Fedora.Next 02:22:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next 02:23:13 What format do you prefer the feedback in? 02:23:20 #info get ideas about what the community thinks about the new changes, and have constructive talk to bring back to the WG's 02:23:25 I wonder if ambassadors/marketing/wg reps should get together and figure out a broad plan for dealing with events as well? 02:23:43 Count me in 02:24:03 sgallagh: i hope we dont loose our identity as a good desktop for people to use as that 02:24:21 kk4ewt: Fedora Workstation should be focusing on that. 02:24:47 kk4ewt: we also risk losing our identity by being all things to all people. 02:25:30 also i would love to see anaconda updated throughout the release so updated DVD media could be produced 02:25:35 There's a fair amount of discussion over whether Fedora should be focusing on "casual users" vs. "doers" 02:25:44 ParadoxGuitarist: No specific format; emails to the server@lists.fp.o mailing list would be fine 02:26:22 thanks sgallagh. There's a couple of venues I have locally here in So Cal I can check. 02:26:26 kk4ewt: That's one thing I'm proposing for the Server (respins of the installer every six months with an 18-month span). We'll see if that survives scrutiny :) 02:27:03 sgallagh: i would like the same for desktop-workstation 02:27:13 +1 02:27:23 yeah, Linus is out in the community and we can count on his ideas trickling into our ears... such as the updated installer image 02:28:04 I can't promise it more often than six months; I'm trying to tie server releases to the base design, even if it's just by doing update roll-ups on the same schedule 02:28:18 I need to put those thoughts into a more coherent proposal, but that's a topic for elsewhere. 02:29:20 sgallagh: i am a Fedora Unity founder we used to do respins on release untill fighting anaconda was not worth the effort 02:29:35 yep, and we in the Base design are still getting organized... looking at Server and Workstation to see what we need to provide... so the call for information is a great idea. 02:30:31 kk4ewt: I think it becomes more achievable if my Server lifecycle proposal goes ahead, but that's probably not a mechanism that will make sense for the Workstation group. 02:30:37 Or maybe it is, I'm not sure. 02:30:57 I am chiming in on those discussions, but I don't have a vote on them. 02:32:29 perhaps if the base design has a faster turn around, say 3 months... the down streams WGs can be more agile or NOT according to their own agenda 02:33:28 masta: That's probably too aggressive, in my opinion. There's no time to QA anything 02:33:36 the surface area of the ring-zero should in theory be much easier to manage since alot of the action happens in the WGs 02:34:02 but yea the rel-eng and QA probably get busy 02:34:14 masta: I hope that's true, and FESCo voted to give a couple months of down-time to the QE and rel-eng folks to spend automating before we fully ramp-up on F21/Fedora.next 02:34:21 But that's only going to get us so far 02:36:35 ok, well we the NA ambassadors will certainly spread the word, and bring back anything the community has to say 02:36:57 sgallagh: I would suggest we get this request over to EMEA and APAC too 02:36:58 Very much appreciated. I'll stop derailing your meeting now. 02:37:02 +1 02:37:31 Certainly, I just happened to be awake and lurking in this channel when the meeting started. 02:37:34 oh and LATAM 02:37:58 cool 02:38:13 so does anybody have anything for Open floor? 02:40:17 ok then 02:40:29 thanks for attending this weeks meeting all! 02:40:32 Great meeting. :D 02:40:33 :) masta, thank you for chairing and sending positive Fedora energy to everyone's computers now. :) 02:40:37 you rock! 02:40:43 #endmeeting