01:00:52 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:52 Meeting started Fri Sep 19 01:00:52 2014 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:01:37 #meetingname FAmNA 01:01:37 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:01:51 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:01:57 hello! 01:02:08 mattdm good evening 01:02:09 .fas markdude 01:02:10 MarkDude: markdude 'Mark Terranova' 01:02:15 Hello FPL :) 01:02:15 staying tor the meeting? 01:02:17 this is usually a terrible time of day for me but it happened to work so I thought I'd say hello! 01:02:25 +1 01:02:44 #chair mattdm MarkDude 01:02:44 Current chairs: MarkDude award3535 mattdm 01:03:05 we give a few to see if any one else shows up 01:03:27 Hi 01:03:29 .fas cydrobolt 01:03:30 Cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' 01:03:39 MarkDude, I will be writing that article and post it this week end 01:03:48 The cake thing worked ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USNWikm_O8Q&feature=youtu.be 01:03:56 # chair Cydrobolt 01:04:06 #chair Cydrobolt 01:04:06 Current chairs: Cydrobolt MarkDude award3535 mattdm 01:04:10 Altho the main cake tasted iffy- the cakebites saved it :D 01:04:28 hi there 01:04:37 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in 01:04:55 #chair ParadoxGuitarist wrnash 01:04:55 Current chairs: Cydrobolt MarkDude ParadoxGuitarist award3535 mattdm wrnash 01:05:08 Greetings Fedorans \o 01:05:33 #topic === Announcements === 01:05:56 does anyone have anything tonight 01:06:07 there are no tickets 01:06:19 and yes the cake worked 01:06:21 Swag for Seagl 01:06:37 I don't have an annoucement but I have some questions :) 01:06:47 MarkDude did you email nb 01:06:47 https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/94 01:07:09 * MarkDude will do that- was not sure if I should have created another ticket :) 01:07:15 And attached it 01:07:35 I know nb has swag, I have very little from fossetcon 01:07:41 * MarkDude has local person to ship to so its easy to floow up with nb 01:07:54 mattdm what is your question 01:07:56 #action MarkDude swag from nb 01:08:04 Wait 01:08:05 it's a two-part question :) 01:08:25 Did you not put in a request at fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ 01:08:31 ? 01:08:43 first I was looking at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events and it seems to end at august 01:08:58 ParadoxGuitarist are you the distro point for west 01:09:04 I am 01:09:05 oh no wait i see it's in a weird order 01:09:30 it ends at october, then :) 01:09:41 Well yes, "the wiki sorta sucks" <<< that is how I met Ian Weller. True story from FUDcon 01:09:48 heh 01:09:50 :) 01:09:56 HE agreed 01:10:01 I dont find it easy either 01:10:06 anyway point wasn't to complain about wiki, just wondering if we have stuff after that 01:10:15 and specific, if anyone has talked about or thought about LISA 01:10:35 it's a great sysadmin-friendly conference and when I went last year there was a great fedora-friendly audience 01:10:52 and, particularly, I'd really like to push Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud there 01:10:52 LISA was not proposed but I remember you were asking for volunteers last year 01:11:14 where is the event mattdm 01:11:17 When/where is it? 01:11:18 seattle 01:11:33 https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa14 01:12:14 I'd like to see if we can send someone from the Fedora Server WG -- stephen gallagher said he'd do booth duty 01:12:26 and stephen smoogen was also interested in helping 01:12:42 * MarkDude can think of at least 3 people able/skilled to go 01:13:07 then we need to get an event page and ticket started 01:13:10 Red Hat is, I think, sponsoring a booth which we could share with centos and some other rh community projects (rdo, ovirt, i think) 01:13:22 Maybe Larry Cafiero. He is going to SeaGL for us too 01:13:40 I was hopign we'd have f21 out by then, but oh well :) 01:13:41 who is heading this up? 01:13:50 #Action make Lisa event page 01:13:55 \o 01:14:01 if no one else steps up 01:14:01 award3535 help wanted, I think :-/ 01:14:03 you can always down load f21 01:14:13 mattdm - there have been precedents where RH and Fedora have not shared space, and you'd have to ask the RH folks about that. 01:14:14 Larry agreed to own SeaGL so... 01:14:18 yeah, I think it'd be fine to promote the beta. 01:14:20 MarkDude you got the action on that 01:14:41 lcafiero: yes, I did ask. this isn't the rh corporate booth, it's a rh community one 01:14:41 mattdm, too far for me 01:14:53 OK then. 01:14:54 #action MarkDude is owner until better choice :D 01:15:19 if we're intested in making it a big deal (and I think it might be worth it) we could look at getting our own 01:15:35 How many people were you thinking? 01:15:55 5 would not be an issue to get- but would we want that many? 01:16:00 3-4 maybe? 01:16:03 #chair Icafiero 01:16:04 Current chairs: Cydrobolt Icafiero MarkDude ParadoxGuitarist award3535 mattdm wrnash 01:16:28 MarkDude: I think 5 is probably too many but I don't know. What's the norm for this kind of event? 01:16:52 3 is safe so no one gets locked to table 01:16:58 3 to 4 normally depending on how the audience attendance is 01:17:13 4 is prolly best- unless we have many speakers there :D 01:17:16 I think we only had 3 for SCaLE 01:17:29 SCale needs 5 at least 01:17:42 * MarkDude is in a car of 3 of them 01:17:50 Not counting VWBusguy who was on SCaLE's ticket for being a speaker 01:17:56 Actually, SCALE tends to be well staffed. 01:18:05 ANyway- lisa will be put on event- and mentioned in social media :) 01:18:13 * lcafiero can't staff SCALE since I work for the show 01:18:37 What does the budget look like for Q3? 01:19:15 well since no one passes any info to me I have no idea 01:19:27 since I volunteered to track it 01:19:44 but no one sends me the expenses from trips 01:19:45 award3535: yeah, I know I owe you a phone call about that. 01:20:19 so, I have no idea, Fossetcon was under budget, but have no idea on anything else 01:20:54 I am also waiting on swag costs also 01:21:11 hmm okay 01:21:13 such as shirts, ear buds, stickers, etc 01:21:35 don't all of these things go in tickets? 01:21:37 so the budget is off 01:22:06 They do 01:22:12 not what I need, for instance, the actual cost of plane tickets, rooms, parking 01:23:01 it seems like that should go in tickets too 01:23:07 from other members, the event page should be updated by those who attend, but never does, I just updated Fossetcon for mine, but Jdulaney I have no idea on the actual cost 01:23:31 okay, so, yeah, clearly something to sort out! 01:23:45 it should but the other problem is I do not have access to look at anyone elses but mine 01:24:06 ah yeah. file that under "trac sucks" 01:24:11 but we can probably fix that 01:24:11 reembursment request I do not see, so you would have to update the request ticket 01:24:44 ruth talked to me about the changes coming down in this area, but I do not have a clear picture on what she wants yet 01:25:11 okay. maybe we should set up a meeting to work that out? 01:25:28 but let's say assuming everything is basically on track, with some over and some under.... 01:25:39 with the events planned in q3 already, is there room for more expense? 01:25:51 and is anything on the horizon for q4? 01:26:23 I understand the total annual budget to be $43,850, right? 01:26:34 I was under the impression that we used the last of q3 budget for our tshirt order. 01:26:46 no it was higher let me check 01:26:46 * ParadoxGuitarist could also be way off. 01:27:55 the last sheet total was 56.3k 01:28:07 Trac needs help 01:28:33 hmmmm. okay. so, we might not have much budget room 01:28:58 Well, we can ask for 10% raise 01:29:16 We have been fair with money- lets do that for next quarter :) 01:29:26 I have no information on NELF, OSSCON, LFNW, TLF etc.... 01:29:55 okay. I'll talk to Ruth and whoever else at OSAS and try to figure this out. 01:30:18 Well the line between RH and Fedora travel is a thing too 01:30:19 that has been my heartburn 01:30:42 as in we get help from having RH people paid to be there, so thats all win for Fedora :) 01:30:44 no information and tickets not updated 01:31:16 MarkDude, award3535 As I understand it, if it's Fedora travel, it should be clear and we should know about it, and if we don't know about it we should assume that it's RH travel 01:31:19 Tickets need to fill the extra field we have- with maybe a timer- or a self desctruct 01:31:53 Yes mattdm - but for OSCON we had two FEdorans 01:31:59 paid by project 01:32:00 I agree, I only track those for FEDORA, not RH, they are on their own 01:32:31 from an internal view: OSAS, from which the fedora community budget flows, also has discretionary money that can be used for red hatters making requests when their own departments for whatever reason can't cover it 01:32:51 so does that take from our budget 01:32:59 if so, we are way off 01:33:02 * MarkDude 's point is that mostly we get the benefit of RH being there, rarely the short end of stick 01:33:04 no, it doesn't. 01:33:14 right, exactly what MarkDude said. 01:33:29 at least, as I understand it. I'm going to try to get more details on the specifics. 01:33:50 So let me do that and then we'll see where we stand for the rest of the year 01:33:51 please, now I am truly confused 01:34:15 And if we as a project can justify it with awesome things we do- we can ask for mmore momeny, We NEED to do out rceipts better tho 01:34:32 mattdm, you will need to call me with the reasoning and answers 01:34:42 award3535: I will. 01:35:00 award3535: (we can schedule that separately. i need to talk with osas first) 01:35:14 sure just email me 01:35:19 award3535: I will 01:35:39 MarkDude: yeah, that's important. It'd be nice to be able to demonstrate measurable impact from conferences 01:35:52 Yay, /me is stoked award3535 is taking lead 01:35:57 agreed 01:35:59 If we go to Conference A, what does that do for us? If we *don't* go to Conference B, what happens? 01:36:12 * MarkDude is looking at the deliverables of it too :) 01:36:18 brb 01:36:47 For next year, I'd like to be really intentional about where we go and why. 01:36:56 I usually keep the funding in track and we can reassign as necessary, that is why I volunteered to do the budget, I have good exp with managing a budget 01:37:07 award3535: awesome. 01:37:09 +1 01:37:19 +1 01:37:33 Which events can we really make a difference at? Where do people not care at all? 01:37:53 Are there new events we should be getting to, maybe outside of traditional linux fests? 01:37:54 usually the same events that are popular get the attention and we reuse the left over for other events 01:39:18 If I have an event that is in Jacksonville, Fl with the local lug, I just go, to ticket, no issues, I promote Fedora and its views, I am pleased to do that, I just ask for swag when needed 01:39:37 Just want to throw in my two bits: I've heard there's been grumblings about how large the NA budget is already that we're not using resources well. (not that I agree with that sentiment) I think it would be good for us to enable award3535 to help us manage our budget well for a year before we ask for anything more. 01:40:39 I volunteered for OHIO because kk4ewt could not go, so that is really out of my area, and the year previous, we tried Indiana, unless they show improvement we wont go again 01:40:43 SeaGL is one our new things 01:40:45 What is the option for each ambassador to get a small box of swag to hand out to people in there area. 01:40:58 and hold the event box for larger events. 01:41:02 wrnash ambassadors kit 01:41:14 We try to send local people if possible 01:41:34 regional shippers control the event boxes where they are located for events 01:41:37 I mean the other option is the Ubuntu *focused model* only go to some events 01:41:57 Not go to OSCON, even tho its free and they have local folks 01:42:23 but do the local folks request funding? 01:42:39 I do not when i goto a local event. 01:42:52 neither I 01:43:01 * MarkDude has paid for a few thousand prolly on my events 01:43:12 Tired of it- unless I get a huge Jono like job 01:43:31 yeah, I don't see any reason to discourage that -- low cost so it doesn't need to have earth-shattering return 01:43:43 And we try to match 01:43:50 FOSSETCON was worth 1000 01:43:51 (that's a reply to above markdude :) 01:43:55 +1 01:44:01 eof :D 01:44:08 Great points tho 01:44:12 for the ones that are expensive, we should see what we can measure at the different ones 01:44:20 +1 01:44:22 MarkDude did you read my report 01:44:33 Not yet, 01:44:34 award3535: your reports are great. we need to promote them more 01:44:45 the user feedback is always interesting 01:44:53 On the Magazine no less. 01:45:13 Feedback is really great. Candor lets us know where we stand 01:45:20 mattdm, I will be posting an article this weekend on the magazine just got to clean it up and smooth 01:45:28 award3535: nice! 01:45:34 thanks! 01:46:44 going to open floor 01:46:46 #topic == Open Floor === 01:47:08 since we have really been there 01:47:23 * MarkDude has nothing- needs to go meet a man about a dog :D _ Listen to the Fedora UK Podcast 01:47:41 anyway -- I will try to figure a few things out and at least call andrew and hopefully make the next meeting too 01:49:13 This was a great meeting tonight, some things were discussed that need to be out in the open 01:49:58 +1 01:50:17 yeah :) 01:50:19 any thing else from the crowd.... 01:51:15 I would like to thank everyone for showing up tonight. 01:51:53 yes thanks :) 01:52:23 everyone have a good rest of your evening/night, see you all next week... 01:52:41 #endmeeting