01:00:08 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:00:08 Meeting started Fri Oct 10 01:00:08 2014 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:16 #meetingname FAmNA 01:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:26 hi 01:00:47 evening wrnash1 01:00:56 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:01:10 #chair wrnash1 01:01:11 Current chairs: award3535 wrnash1 01:01:31 not to many people join tonight 01:01:36 * inode0 peeks in 01:01:48 evening inode0 01:01:51 hi 01:01:59 do you wish to be marked as chair 01:02:08 tonight as attending 01:02:37 #chair inode0 01:02:37 Current chairs: award3535 inode0 wrnash1 01:03:53 Is anyone running Fedora 21 yet 01:04:30 havent yet will do in the next few days to try it 01:04:54 #topic === Announcements === 01:04:55 I'm running it 01:05:02 wrnash1: I am 01:05:04 how does it feel 01:05:15 like a rolling stone? 01:05:18 #chair handsomepirate 01:05:18 Current chairs: award3535 handsomepirate inode0 wrnash1 01:05:25 I like it. a little buggy with Google chrome. 01:05:36 No trouble here 01:05:37 apper does not work all the time 01:05:39 cool, I will load it this weekend 01:06:50 does anyone have anything for the group 01:07:55 award3535: I do, right quick 01:08:07 Have not been able to get up with nb to ask about room share 01:08:09 if you havent read the council draft check it out here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MatthewMiller/council-draft 01:08:18 go handsomepirate 01:08:52 I've pinged nb a few different ways, no response 01:09:04 !eof 01:09:47 yes I noticed, I have not heard or seen from him in a few weeks, we still have a week plus to get ahold of him 01:10:13 ping nb 01:10:37 Otherwise, I'm good to go for OLF 01:11:20 nb mentioned there may be a chance that he could not go, but have not said otherwise 01:13:08 back to the council draft, I know that inode0 has read it, as well as I, a big +1 from me 01:13:25 I read it +1 for me 01:14:08 There will be more discussion but I think most people are pretty happy with goals and general direction. 01:14:13 Sorry about that 01:14:15 I believe we are improving the process each and every week 01:14:54 discussions are always good, helps smooth the entire process out, ideas are always welcome 01:15:45 Everyone should think about the idea suggested on the ambassador list today as well - Fedora Outreach Steering Committee 01:16:38 I think it is a good idea as long as it stays optimistic and open 01:17:14 some of us remember the total quality leadership ideas from deming 01:17:49 initially works until the ideas and suggestions stop coming up in the ranks 01:18:41 ok moving on to tickets 01:18:44 #topic === Tickets === 01:19:00 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:19:31 .famnaticket #37 01:19:32 award3535: Error: '#37' is not a valid integer. 01:19:41 .famnaticket 37 01:19:42 award3535: #37 (Proposal for distributing Fedora swag outside of conferences/events) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/37 01:20:06 I would like to close this ticket, it is over two years old 01:20:29 With the now real prospect of having a Fedora store anyway I think this is going to be unnecessary shortly. 01:20:30 we need to move on and make suggestions to the media team on new things 01:20:50 inode0 my point exactly 01:21:13 i agree let's close ticket #37 01:21:33 It can always be reopened if needed later. 01:23:04 ok I will close the ticket 01:23:53 #agreed to close ticket #37 and reopen if required at a later date 01:25:50 .famnaticket 91 01:25:52 award3535: #91 (FAMNA to provide or suggest List of deliverables for marketing for f21) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/91 01:26:21 What items on the list so far.. 01:27:25 that is what I have not seen or heard I know that the FAMSCO has been talking about this but there are no notes posted in the ticket 01:28:36 some time ago we ran this up to the media folks for other ideas such as a demonstration vid, or presentation that shows either features or spins 01:29:20 I would like to leave this one open for a few meetings to get some more ideas 01:29:32 * inode0 notes this is the sort of thing that should flow out of FOSCo :) 01:30:36 I agree, but this is where I am at, last in line, no direction, its tough to get information 01:31:19 maybe some short videos to post in Facebook and Google+ but FOSCo will need to give some direction on this 01:31:24 We have been working without marketing providing us anything for years - this could be so much better 01:31:28 I spent 4 hours last night reading various things and meeting notes trying to figure this out 01:32:18 I don't really think we should be expected to figure this out by ourselves, actually talking with the marketing folks could help so much. 01:33:24 Well 01:33:27 agree, but I am concerned about flow down to us, this is how information is lost on the way down to us, the boots on the ground 01:33:44 Right now 'marketing folks' is basically Toledo 01:33:54 It wouldn't flow down to us - it would be worked out with us 01:34:22 yes, but the finished product is what I am referring to 01:36:02 so, how do we go about getting marketing to work with us? 01:37:11 I do not have access to send email to the marketing mail list, it rejects me every time 01:37:34 send mail to the marketing list? go to their meeting? or as has been done before just make what you want and go with that 01:38:28 invite them to our meeting next week? 01:38:39 what about joining there mailing list? 01:39:00 do you know anyone on the marketing team that would join this meeting? 01:39:23 I tried joining the mktg mailing list, it rejects me 01:39:40 when is their meetings, the link on their page is broken 01:39:58 I don't know who is officially on the marketing team these days but I'm sure jzb would, or Ruth would. 01:40:04 I can ping Toledo 01:40:15 Ask him to come 01:40:30 Toledo aka Chris Roberts aka the dude that runs Fedora Magazine 01:40:45 another good choice 01:41:07 handsomepirate: can you contact toledo 01:41:35 or I can either way 01:41:44 I am good with 01:42:01 I just pinged him 01:42:15 I would like to see us involved in how we present the product 01:43:01 * inode0 is tempted to go into broken record mode 01:43:13 ok moving on 01:43:34 FOSCo would be all about how we present the project and its products 01:43:49 .famnaticket 96 01:43:52 award3535: #96 (Lisa 14 Seattle Wa) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/96 01:43:54 marketing, ambassadors, websites, etc. :) 01:45:04 I think this ticket should be all set, there will be some locals showing up from what mattdm has informed me 01:45:28 I will move it to open and remove it from the meeting status 01:45:43 Toledo should be joining momentarily 01:45:49 There we go 01:45:49 * Croberts waves 01:45:51 Croberts: Ahoy! 01:45:52 hi 01:45:57 hey whats up man 01:46:00 not much 01:46:14 inode0: award3535 Wanna take it? 01:46:17 award3535: I see I am mentioned in that ticket but I've not really discussed this with anyone. 01:47:54 inode0 mattdm said there would be no cost to Fedora, a shared event, but if you are attending and need to have the funding there we can leave it open to the meetings 01:47:59 Croberts: I think there is interest, not necessarily in the next 10 minutes, to have some discussion regarding marketing F21 at the ambassador level 01:48:09 Could we do that next week maybe? 01:48:46 croberts, I agree next week if your available 01:49:11 award3535: I'll try to remember to check on it - I have some interest in going. 01:49:13 award3535: inode0 sure what are you looking to do 01:50:02 Croberts: mostly information on what is being planned in presentation, promotions, etc 01:50:14 Croberts: there is an open ticket asking FAmNA to provide marketing with a list of stuff it wants --- I'm thinking maybe just bouncing around ideas with folks from marketing might help us here 01:50:59 sure i would be up for that 01:51:07 thanks 01:51:19 np it would be good to get some stuff for marketing to work on 01:51:27 Croberts, yes thank you 01:51:55 np guys is this going to be at the next meeting? 01:52:27 Indeed 01:52:32 yes, I will make sure I get a reminder email out to NA for this next week 01:52:34 A week from tonight, 9 PM 01:53:37 #action award3535 to send FAMNA meeting reminder with specific information on meeting content 01:54:17 sounds good 01:54:34 inode0: I will push a reminder for you on LISA as well 01:54:37 award3535: You might want to cc Croberts 01:54:50 award3535: Dunno if he's on the m/l 01:55:19 handsomepirate, roger, Im sure he as a project email 01:56:20 i wish Fedora ran an email service 01:56:44 Croberts: Welp, if someone wanted to do the work ... 01:56:51 Fedora used to have VOIP 01:56:56 Croberts: can you pm me your email address 01:57:06 award3535: sure 01:57:16 handsome_pirate: my coding skills are awful 01:57:50 trying to learn ruby but that wont host email lol 01:58:15 Croberts: Sendmail, man 01:58:40 ok moving on 01:58:53 #topic == Open Floor === 01:59:15 the gates are open!!! 02:00:00 anyone have anything else in the next two minutes 02:00:08 does anyone have a good label for DVD's for Fedora 21. I was going to burn a couple DVD's and leave them at the local library. 02:00:20 Did anyone mention FOSCo? Another outreach area that pretty much flies solo is IRC. Why can't we all get together and work together? :) 02:00:45 And documentation. We have so many outreach silos. 02:01:14 and the wiki 02:01:22 which sadly needs help 02:01:40 Croberts: Ping adamw 02:01:52 In fact .... 02:01:54 adamw: bacon 02:02:06 Wait for it 02:03:02 Odd, usually that's a good call 02:03:13 inode0, that is true, public meetings are just that, public, and we would benefit greatly from all being in the same place 02:04:08 even though we mail out the minutes and post them weekly, one place to go is a lot easier than several meeting rooms 02:04:36 Who reads those for 12 groups every week? 02:05:07 are there other options for meetings? 02:05:11 well, I dont have that much time, but I read quite a bit last night 02:06:08 maybe that would be one thing that we all need to discuss 02:06:39 meetings tend to suffer when there isn't fun stuff to do 02:07:03 a famous quote from one of my favorite movies "there can be only one" 02:07:04 blocker bug meetings 02:08:54 getting fun content is tough to do when you can barely get people to show up. 02:09:35 there are no benefits for someone to join a meeting. 02:09:44 I know there are many more NA ambassadors, but it seems that the interest is only seasonal 02:10:11 it varies over time, but when we were doing stuff there was more interest 02:10:12 the only thing I have seen is a badge for attending and one for chairing the same 02:10:13 award3535: i wouldnt mind helping out 02:10:39 but i dont get much time off to goto events unless they are on the weekend 02:11:03 downside of not living near family, my pto is spent to visit friends and family 02:11:10 I have reduced job no 2 to one day a week, that frees me up for more days 02:11:29 produce new swag, redesign our booth setup, anything 02:11:45 something 02:11:56 nb should have ear buds in his possesion 02:12:07 when people are doing stuff more people come to do stuff 02:12:22 if all they get is listening to me talk they go away fast! 02:12:24 I agree, this time of year things slow quite a bit 02:13:04 well, I am here to help as you already know, i enjoy running the meetings. 02:13:06 * inode0 should have more time again soon 02:13:30 oh 02:13:34 Random aside 02:13:45 We should do All Things Open in Raleigh next year 02:14:02 but i will have no meeting on the 23rd of Oct, I will be travelling to Ohio 02:15:50 ok folks, time to shut down the meeting, we ran over a few but its all good 02:16:04 meeting conflicting with football games is always a bad idea :) 02:16:36 LOL, my wife agrees, she is watching the game as I am typing 02:16:40 heh 02:17:20 everyone enjoy the rest of your evening, see you all next week 02:17:24 #endmeeting