02:01:07 #startmeeting FAmNA 02:01:07 Meeting started Fri Jan 23 02:01:07 2015 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:01:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:01:25 #meetingname FAmNA 02:01:25 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:01:40 .fasinfo corey84 02:01:40 Corey84: User: corey84, Name: Corey84, email: sheldon.corey@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-11-28, IRC Nick: corey84-, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 02D670FD 1C9129B1 , Status: active 02:01:43 Corey84: Unapproved Groups: marketing 02:01:46 Corey84: Approved Groups: fi-apprentice cla_fpca cla_done 02:01:54 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 02:02:24 * qwebirc853712 ParadoxGuitarist is here 02:02:33 #chair corey84 qwebirc853712 02:02:33 Current chairs: award3535 corey84 qwebirc853712 02:02:35 award3535, heads up your emails you pm'd me last week bounced back regarding group membership 02:03:05 google didnt like greylisting 02:03:14 Hi 02:03:15 * Cydrobolt is here as well 02:03:31 corey84 thats odd you can also send it to award3535@fedoraproject.org or award3535@tds.net 02:03:34 .fas cydrobolt 02:03:35 Cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' 02:03:53 #chair cydrobolt 02:03:53 Current chairs: award3535 corey84 cydrobolt qwebirc853712 02:04:03 Driving 02:04:09 they both came back google failed greylist on fp.o 02:04:20 wow quite the crowd here 02:04:35 #chair jsandys 02:04:35 Current chairs: award3535 corey84 cydrobolt jsandys qwebirc853712 02:04:43 qwebirc853712, you can /nick 02:05:29 #topic === Announcements === 02:06:20 this will probably be a short meeting, no tickets unless there is something that comes up 02:08:02 corey84 I just emailed you a test 02:08:33 i'll be dipped that went through award3535 02:08:48 i'll reply to that eamil then 02:09:32 go ahead and reply so that I can get them to you. 02:10:07 moving on 02:10:10 #topic === Tickets === 02:10:22 there are none listed for the meeting...... 02:11:20 if anyone has no objection I will move on to open floor 02:11:43 #topic == Open Floor === 02:12:13 ok 02:12:15 better 02:12:31 what are we talking abbout? 02:12:39 #chair ParadoxGuiarist 02:12:39 Current chairs: ParadoxGuiarist award3535 corey84 cydrobolt jsandys qwebirc853712 02:12:56 its open floor, no tickets for the meeting 02:13:02 Okay 02:13:14 Your NAMM ticket is open, just not on meeting sched 02:13:17 I would like to bring up media if no one has anything 02:13:24 go 02:13:27 go ahead 02:13:30 * ParadoxGuiarist nods. 02:13:58 I' don't know about everyone else but I still have a ton of F20 media left over 02:14:09 * ParadoxGuiarist is on an ipad so typing is slow... sorrry 02:14:24 I have a full box left 02:14:36 Mhm 02:14:41 I shipped mine off last month 02:14:50 And we're alreay ordering more for F21 02:15:02 Okay 02:15:27 I have USB keys left over (from F18 I think) 02:15:30 nb had the approval a couple of weeks ago for media and ruth was at the meeting 02:15:47 I have a few F20 USBs 02:16:01 possible to get robotics spin media for local university and makerspace 02:16:04 only because I got them from spot 02:16:25 what's great is that I can upudate the USB for whatever fits 02:16:48 also a lot of laptops dont even come with cd drives anymore 02:16:55 Yeah 02:16:56 Corey84, you may want to get a ticket set up if there is a specific amont 02:17:00 I still have a couple USBs as well 02:17:12 award3535, kk 02:17:30 would be nearly 100 for two upcoming maker fairs 02:17:45 Corey84 how many are we talking about total 02:17:45 Corey84 That's part of the issue too it's not feasable to do a smalll order like that for a specific spin 02:18:06 that is what I was just getting at 02:18:10 what is considered large ParadoxGuiarist 02:18:14 norrmally we only have the one spin we order 02:18:22 1k or more 02:18:37 exactly 02:18:45 ah may just invest locally in the media lol 02:19:02 does it make sense to continue doing media orders the way we have been? 02:19:17 or wait to sete what confs ill be able to attend and make a larger order 02:19:30 If the event is large enough, you can always put a ticket in stating what the media is for, and get re embursed for your expenses in media 02:19:48 that is another way around it 02:20:16 you will have to do the whole wiki event and create a page, etc..... 02:20:44 these sadly are not that big 02:21:16 ParadoxGuitarist I had mentioned the fact about the three models we now have and what we had for a target audience 02:22:12 several meetings ago, like in Sep 2014 I was concerned about marketing and finding out what people thought about media in the future 02:23:20 The other thing I've been thinkin abbout is looking at getting a media/DVD Burner/Printer and do smaller batches as we need them. We could get a generic sleeve and use a label to identiffy what it is. Also the disk could have a custom image with what spin it is Desktop/server//Cloud/Gaming/Jam/Security/robotics We would could do a media request for an amount and sppin type if we had our own equipment 02:23:33 Corey84 you may want to do the event thing for even 50 people, doesnt hurt to go through the process and approve a budget amount for $200 dollars for reemb 02:24:50 How much do we normally spend on media for evey release? 02:24:54 ParadoxGuitarist I usually bring the media spins electronically and bring generic sleeves and DVD media 02:25:21 ^^ what i was thinking of for maker fairs 02:26:04 I will check the amount, give me a second 02:26:42 I do too awarad3535. But If we have a significant mount left over that isn't being used does, would having a more flexible media make sense? 02:27:36 We wouldn't throw away usb drives 02:28:05 and we would probably use everything if we printed them as we need them. 02:28:47 Can you get cheap 2gb usb sticks? 02:28:49 on 8 jan we approved 5K media at a cost of $5280 02:29:55 Those burners that will print/burn normally do 100 at a time and cost about $2000 02:30:21 I have 2 boxes of F20 and a box of F19 I don't know what to do with 02:30:42 maybe more of the F20 I'd have to check 02:30:44 cd media or usb ParadoxGuiarist 02:30:58 All DVDs 02:31:08 geez 02:31:11 ParadoxGuiarist do as I do and donate them to the local high school/community college 02:31:21 USB isn't an issue because it can be reused. 02:31:39 I can do that award3535 02:32:22 that is correct, takes a little time to redo the USB but worth it when you have a customer that smiles and acknowledges the work we do 02:32:32 I just wonder if it's the best bang for our 5k 02:33:09 We can get 2000 8G usb for around $4000 02:33:44 how do you image lots of usb? 02:34:18 USBs are really expensive, though, in comparison with DVDs/CDs 02:35:03 I do it once with liveusb and create a disk image with the gnome disk utility 02:35:29 ParadoxGuitarist, I have noticed that most everyone downloads the media, although being part of the free media area, there are still some pockets of folks that cant get internet or are still on dial up I would suggest we still go with a variable media format that offers several things at events, and address individual requests on site 02:35:34 Cydrobolt: true, about twice as much, but we would never throw thtem away 02:35:46 True 02:36:29 I still wouuldn't mind shipping them a USB or printing up small batches for that purpose 02:36:34 The download format is still a viable option, although it doesn't have the same feel as physical items 02:36:50 We could also send out the updated iso 02:37:04 if we print them ourselves 02:37:46 well I think we should think about this and see if we can come up with some alternatives 02:37:48 ParadoxGuiarist, i seed the 20 updates that would be relatively easy indeeed 02:38:16 ParadoxGuiarist, ping me when you guys are done. I might have something for open floor 02:38:25 im done 02:38:36 cydrobolt go 02:38:45 okay 02:38:51 Have you guys heard of hackathons? 02:39:38 not officially 02:39:40 Hackathons are events where many developers and/or designers gather to create a project, usually spanning a couple days 02:40:21 They've been really popular recently in the high school/college developer community, with over thousands of people participating in each event 02:40:33 I've been involved in a couple hackathons as well 02:40:42 I was wondering if Fedora would be interested in sponsoring some 02:40:43 like a Fedora Activity Day 02:40:50 yeah, but more general 02:41:15 it's a different target audience from our traditional FOSS activity days, and almost all participants are avid developers 02:42:21 What do you think, award3535 ? 02:42:40 there are several hackathons in DC / mid atlantic area in next 3 months 02:42:45 Cydrobolt, create the wiki event page, add it to the event schedule, you can email me the specifics and I can add it to the events, do the media requests and we can vote on it, we must follow the guidelines, and I think the more exposure is great 02:43:04 yeah, definitely 02:43:33 Ticket 100, LFNW funding 02:43:54 VThacks HackMason and another hackDuke come to mind Cydrobolt award3535 will look at emailing info this week for them 02:44:06 Cydrobolt, remember for events you must have a primary contacts 02:44:11 PennApps and HackTheNorth are interesting 02:44:14 Also, MHacks 02:44:22 I was at PennApps last week, and I know a lot of the organisers 02:44:34 award3535, mhm 02:44:40 did ticket 100 just get added, wasnt listed for meeting 02:44:46 What's our traditional budget for these kinds of things? 02:44:50 PennApps is likely to be small this year tbh last year left bad aftertaste for many 02:45:10 I put it in as task, opps 02:45:11 Corey84, I don't think so 02:45:16 I was there, it was bigger than ever 02:45:42 mlh.io is a good starting point 02:45:51 the younger hackers in the gmu/uva groups felt iffy ( I tutor at gmu) 02:46:11 Mmmh, I see 02:46:17 Cydrobolt, that's what hack mason is pushing for for theirs 02:46:24 going big league 02:46:27 I live in Philly, so it was a pretty short drive 02:46:29 jsandys, did the wiki event page get created 02:46:33 PennApps is definitely one of the biggest, though 02:46:38 Last year RH spent $1000 for a 10 ft, and Fedora speent 1000 for game night and a 5 FT 02:47:05 wiki page created 02:47:55 yep just checked, thanks 02:48:32 RH is not going this year. If I do a music thing like scale, a 10 ft booth would be good. 02:49:30 Or we could sponsor game night and use a free 5 ft table 02:50:01 thats a pretty good chunk of change on our own, what does ruth say about the event 02:50:06 I'll send you jw 02:50:37 I'll send you my setup from SCaLE 02:51:27 Please do 02:52:32 award3535, I'll create an event page, then I'll bring it up at the next meeting 02:53:01 Good meeting folks 02:53:27 500 or 150 get you a 5 ft table and other recognition 02:53:38 jsandys can you break it down the exact costs to Fedora, since I keep track of what we are spending (attempting to) it would be easier for all of us to see 02:54:27 Cydrobolt, thank you.... 02:54:40 Were you able to get the shirts? 02:54:53 will be in the mail in the morning.... 02:55:10 It is listed in the ticket and linked to the lfnw sponsorship page 02:57:10 jsandys, there is no lodging costs, travel, etc 02:57:10 thanks a lot 02:57:40 I usually pay my own way 02:57:46 are you local to the event 02:57:57 Close enough 02:59:07 Ok I'm out. Wife's bday dinner 02:59:12 Adam w from qa come down from Canada 02:59:28 thank you for coming ParadoxGuitarist 02:59:40 Np 02:59:46 Np 02:59:54 Ill update the ticket and event page 03:01:20 jsandys, I guess what I am asking is what are you asking for, give us the numbers so we can take a look at it, since RH is not going and if they want to go gold I have no issue with a large scale Fedora showing 03:01:59 also move the ticket to meeting for next week... so we can get things rolling 03:02:18 Ok will do 03:02:48 ok folks we are out of time, see you all next week 03:02:56 #endmeeting