01:01:10 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA
01:01:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Sep  4 01:01:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
01:01:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
01:01:22 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA
01:01:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
01:01:34 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call ===
01:01:41 <linux-modder> .hello corey84
01:01:42 <zodbot> linux-modder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
01:01:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> .hello paradoxguitarist
01:01:58 <zodbot> ParadoxGuitarist: paradoxguitarist 'Brian Monroe' <briancmonroe@gmail.com>
01:01:59 <linux-modder> evening all
01:02:17 <award3535> #chair Cydorbolt wrnash1 ParadoxGuitarist linux-modder
01:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 linux-modder wrnash1
01:02:27 <wrnash1> Wonder how many will show up tonight due to football
01:02:33 <linux-modder> nice  showing tonight
01:02:38 <award3535> #topic === Announcements ===
01:02:41 * kk4ewt 
01:02:53 <award3535> #chair kk4ewt
01:02:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 kk4ewt linux-modder wrnash1
01:03:18 <award3535> announcements anyone
01:03:50 <award3535> I have something to bring up
01:04:01 <linux-modder> Will be  going to DevFestDc 11-12 th  had a  few  requests for demos
01:04:23 <kk4ewt> *** F22-20150826 updated lives are available at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins ***
01:05:07 <award3535> we as ambassadors need to adhere to the guidelines set forth for tickets and requesting funding
01:05:57 <kk4ewt> ???
01:06:14 <wrnash1> which ticket are you talking about?
01:06:24 <award3535> ruth and I spoke about some things going on with funding (and Budget)
01:06:54 <award3535> none in particular, its the ones that dont get placed in tickets
01:07:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Like Tablecloths?
01:07:14 <linux-modder> ah so more of  a ticket or no funding thing
01:07:41 <award3535> you got it, we cant track it if there is no ticket
01:07:47 <kk4ewt> ok
01:07:49 <Cydrobolt> Ah, recent tablecloth quotes
01:08:16 <linux-modder> last i saw from the ml was  ~$400 for  fedora blue or did that change
01:08:21 <award3535> those can be entered since we talked about it, but they need tickets created
01:08:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> To raise an a counterpoint, we had a ticket for tableclosths at one point.
01:08:39 <award3535> that applies to events as well
01:09:42 <award3535> table cloths we did
01:09:53 <wrnash1> I agree that a ticket will need to be created if someone is going to do some researching
01:10:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> 105
01:10:40 <kk4ewt> and i think the banners we did
01:11:00 <award3535> yes but those were not the problem
01:13:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> I also think, it would be good to always have our budget in front of us.
01:13:08 * danofsatx-lt is here
01:13:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think I've ever seen our budget
01:13:16 <danofsatx-lt> class is over, but I'll stick around for a bit
01:13:18 <award3535> What I need to have happen, is before anything is brought for a vote for funds there needs to be a ticket created and updated each time
01:13:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Is it already posted somewhere online?
01:13:44 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I didnt even get the number to start
01:13:49 <jsandys> jeff joins late
01:13:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: THAT IS A HUGE DEAL
01:14:11 <award3535> #chair danofsatx-It jsandys
01:14:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx-It jsandys kk4ewt linux-modder wrnash1
01:15:02 <award3535> No kidding, the items I cannot track if one, I dont have a ticket to reference, two the final expenses sent to me, so keeping a budget is
01:15:12 <award3535> completely impossible
01:15:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> Was Ruth able to share it with us?
01:15:49 <award3535> I have tried several times to get final costs of events, etc, emailed to me and only a handful get to me
01:16:28 <award3535> Once ruth and I get the funds nailed down (next week) I will share the remaining budget with all concerned
01:16:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm all for hainvg us all look at the budget before each item we vote on
01:17:10 <linux-modder> same here
01:17:14 <award3535> so just like the requirements for requesting reembursment
01:17:24 <kk4ewt> i agree totally
01:17:27 <award3535> there will be the same requesting it
01:17:41 <linux-modder> more than fair
01:18:23 <wrnash1> I think we should go over the budget first before going to tickets
01:18:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> Agreed
01:18:40 <award3535> So as your budget guy once we get this nailed down, I will prior to each item voted on, give the remaining funds in each area
01:19:13 <danofsatx-lt> sounds good
01:19:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> This is related, they want some swag for an event up in the Bay area.
01:19:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> Do we have the budget to send that?
01:19:46 <award3535> right now there are only a couple of items out there that really does not effect some smaller items
01:20:23 <award3535> shipping as long as we keep the expense down with no two day or overnight stuff yes
01:20:32 <award3535> planning planning planning
01:20:35 <award3535> is the key
01:21:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> They ask for two day, so I'll deny it then
01:21:10 <kk4ewt> well planning went out the door for myself and nb afte Flock i was working  15 hours days and it slipped up on my
01:21:13 <kk4ewt> me
01:21:33 <award3535> some things are not avoidable
01:22:06 <award3535> TXLF was in flux right up until the event
01:22:15 <kk4ewt> then i dropped the box off in time for 2 day shipping at ground rate and the person said it would go out at 5pm the next moring it was still there so i had to do overnite
01:22:18 <award3535> I will talk off line about it
01:25:31 <kk4ewt> ok tablecloths
01:25:32 <kk4ewt> If we go with a stock color (like white or "blue"), this is the pricing:
01:25:32 <kk4ewt> 6 ft. - $205.00
01:25:32 <kk4ewt> 8 ft. - $225.00
01:25:33 <kk4ewt> Set-up fee - $40.00
01:25:33 <kk4ewt> If we do a pantone color match ("fedora blue"), this is the pricing:
01:25:34 <kk4ewt> 6 ft - $390.00
01:25:36 <kk4ewt> 8 ft. - $410.00
01:25:38 <kk4ewt> Set-up - $40.00
01:25:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm for Black
01:25:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> cheaper.
01:25:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Plus should last us longer
01:26:06 <wrnash1> +1 for black
01:26:11 <kk4ewt> i see the time as same
01:26:19 <linux-modder> +1 Black
01:26:28 <award3535> +1 black
01:26:28 <jsandys> +1 black 8 foot
01:26:33 <kk4ewt> -1
01:27:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> what's your concern kk4ewt?
01:27:07 <jsandys> 8 foot cloth will fit a 6 foot table but not the other way around.
01:27:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> jsandys: My thoughts exactly.
01:27:30 <linux-modder> gives us options but  how many events need  8'
01:27:33 <kk4ewt> does these have fedora logo on it
01:27:40 <kk4ewt> all of them
01:27:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: Yes
01:27:53 <kk4ewt> then white shows that the best
01:28:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: White also get dirty the quickest
01:28:09 <kk4ewt> and makes our booth stand out
01:28:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> Washing it reduce it's life.
01:28:22 <kk4ewt> thats why they make washing machines
01:28:30 <linux-modder> kk4ewt,  does have  a point
01:28:52 <jsandys> white is nice but needs cleaning, blue would be ok, but color match is not worth it IMHO.
01:28:54 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, how many time will it be washed a year 1-3
01:29:12 <award3535> to keep the system on track I am going to shift to open floor
01:29:24 <award3535> #topic === Tickets ===
01:29:28 <wrnash1> Should it be dry clean
01:29:29 <kk4ewt> and when they get used 4-5 times a year
01:29:35 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9
01:29:38 <kk4ewt> hopefully
01:29:41 <kk4ewt> not
01:29:42 <award3535> NO Tickets
01:29:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: one spill or dirty hand on the first day of an multi-day event and we we go from sticking-out to stay away.
01:29:53 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor ===
01:29:57 <kk4ewt> the one we have  is machine wshable
01:30:07 <award3535> keep the conversation going
01:30:16 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  and block show dirt as bad
01:30:21 <kk4ewt> black
01:30:26 <linux-modder> honestly tho all drinks should be off the cloth  tho no?
01:30:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think so
01:30:39 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  it does
01:30:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: doesn't stop folks walking around with their free beer as they visit the booth
01:30:53 <kk4ewt> all dust and eveything shows up
01:31:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> Dust yes, but not as obviously
01:31:12 <linux-modder> forgot about that
01:31:17 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  my wife does direct sales and her black clothes show more dirt
01:31:43 * ParadoxGuitarist shrugs.  I guess it depends on dye job.
01:31:44 <danofsatx-lt> dust shows up on black, everything else shows up on white. I say blue - the one we used at TXLF stayed presentable throughout the weekend.
01:32:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> The ones that they use at my Univeristy don't show on the black.
01:32:37 <jsandys> light blue, with dark blue and black or white print?
01:32:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Probably depends on the material as well.
01:32:44 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  and she does 2-3 shows a week
01:32:57 <kk4ewt> i will go with blue
01:33:19 <linux-modder> is it  navy blue or fedora blue  if  we go solid color
01:33:20 <kk4ewt> i highly suggest no black
01:33:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm in favor of blue over white
01:33:52 <award3535> Blue over white with me as well
01:33:56 <kk4ewt> the shows we work the brighter the color the better
01:33:56 <linux-modder> black or blue
01:34:14 <jsandys> colors stand out, black is easiest to deal with
01:34:30 <kk4ewt> makes the booth stand out verse the other booths at a event
01:34:51 <linux-modder> and standing out  likely  means more  visits
01:35:02 <danofsatx-lt> well, it's hard to stand out when you're directly opposite Rackspace and Ubuntu.
01:35:24 <linux-modder> doesn't  mean we can't try
01:35:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> Screw that. I had music. Rackspace was visiting my booth.
01:35:42 <linux-modder> I'd be  game for blue
01:35:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> =)
01:36:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> jsandys was there.
01:36:37 <jsandys> =1 music
01:36:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok blue?
01:37:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> Blue.
01:37:30 <linux-modder> +1 blue i guess makes more sense than black
01:37:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> 3 of the standard blue is still cheaper than 2 fedora blue.
01:37:43 <jsandys> can we see samples of the stock colors?
01:37:50 <wrnash1> Light blue, Dark blue
01:37:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> what's the company name?
01:38:02 <kk4ewt> we dont know
01:38:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> who gave the quote?
01:38:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> *grumble*
01:38:10 <kk4ewt> spot
01:38:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> spot: !!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:38:24 <kk4ewt> look in your ambassdor  enmail
01:38:40 <award3535> yes spot gave us the information, the quote was from the same folks that take care of RH
01:38:54 <linux-modder> initial subject  was NA --tablecloth qoute iirc
01:39:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> No, the banner one had the vendor
01:39:50 <kk4ewt> yes we need 8' thats a given
01:40:50 <kk4ewt> ok at this point we need to ask to see the stock colors then go from there
01:41:17 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  di you see the request for swag for the eventt of the 9th
01:41:33 <kk4ewt> from Matt \
01:42:06 <jsandys> +1 see stock colors
01:42:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: that was one I brought up earlier
01:42:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> they're requesting two day shipping
01:42:41 <linux-modder> I'd be  for darker blue  but  seeing stock is best
01:45:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> http://cdn.displays2go.com/images/bgd8rc24hr.rw.jpg
01:45:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> if it's like these colors I'm in favor of the medium blue
01:46:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> Listed PMS 300
01:47:54 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist where is the ticket for the Bay area you were discussing, I did not see it
01:48:24 <jsandys> i would go lighter, 292, so dark text and logo stands out
01:48:41 <kk4ewt> jsandys,  that is what my wife picked as well
01:48:48 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I just PM'd you with another question
01:48:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: it's in famnarequests
01:49:15 <linux-modder> id be for 292 or 300
01:49:37 <kk4ewt> 292 she siad is closer to the fedora color
01:50:05 <kk4ewt> but then again we have to wait to see what the budget says
01:50:09 <jsandys> when is the SF event?
01:50:17 <kk4ewt> 9-9
01:50:45 <jsandys> What is needed?
01:51:48 <kk4ewt> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/382
01:53:07 <award3535> kk4ewt am on it, puzzled why project leader would put a 2 day request in knowing that my ears were burning from inode0 on the cost
01:53:48 <kk4ewt> and inode0 approved it in the board meeting
01:54:11 <kk4ewt> cause i guess he thought it was close that ground would work
01:54:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> So I'm sending it?
01:54:27 <kk4ewt> send it please
01:54:32 <award3535> I think so
01:54:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I didn't find out for how many people until this morning
01:54:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll send it tomorrow.
01:54:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> Sending DVDs and stickers
01:55:05 <kk4ewt> anything you can
01:55:11 <award3535> please update the ticket as well ParadoxGuitarist
01:55:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> will do
01:55:28 <award3535> TY
01:55:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> Two day or ground?
01:55:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's in CA
01:56:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm in southern california, and it's going to the bay area
01:56:50 <award3535> two day what apparently approved
01:56:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok
01:57:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll take it to the UPS store
01:57:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> and I'll bug vwbusguy to print me out a shipping label
01:58:58 <jsandys> open floor?
01:59:26 <award3535> we are already there i shifted to open floor awhile ago
01:59:37 <jsandys> College Ambassadors, what can we do?  It was a topic that came up at flock.
02:00:09 <award3535> I have one on the hook right now at michigan
02:00:18 <award3535> I am his mentor
02:00:22 <danofsatx-lt> I would love to set up a program here at my Uni.
02:01:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think the key to this is faculty engagement.
02:01:21 <award3535> and the willingness of the individual as well
02:01:38 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist,  contact me in the morning  and i will kick you out a label
02:02:12 <kk4ewt> jsandys,  it has been tried several times and has fallen flat
02:02:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> I've dropped off  disks at half a dozen local campuses over SoCal, had conversations, left my card, offered to sponsor events, and haven't heard back from a single person.
02:03:13 <jsandys> I'll make a wiki page of my ideas for discussion.
02:03:18 <award3535> I have as well, even tried the high schools in my area with computer clubs
02:03:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> Then we have  people that get called in for HackRU and they just kill it.
02:04:00 <award3535> Cydrobolt did that event last year
02:04:13 <Cydrobolt> Hey
02:04:16 <Cydrobolt> What's going on?
02:04:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> yeah, and he got engaged there!
02:04:34 <award3535> he did a great job
02:04:35 <kk4ewt> well i have a installfest with the VTLUUG on sunday
02:04:37 <ParadoxGuitarist> Cydrobolt: Just talking about how you were tearing it up at HackRU last year
02:04:45 <Cydrobolt> ParadoxGuitarist, HackRU was the best
02:04:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> ITT Technical has a Fedora class, but they're on version 15 or 16 and the professors won't call me back.
02:05:58 <award3535> that is the same problem I run into as well, the classes wont leave or update curriculum
02:06:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> I offered to just come in and talk about Fedora.
02:06:25 <award3535> that would require updating and correcting
02:07:15 <award3535> jsandys can I identify you as action on the wiki page discussion
02:07:41 <jsandys> Sure
02:08:00 <kk4ewt> i do a yearly day long class in the local high school "intro to linux"
02:08:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: That's awesome
02:08:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: You should poll all the android users and send them home. ;)
02:08:57 <award3535> #action jsandys to create wiki discussion page for college ambassador program
02:09:26 <Cydrobolt> ParadoxGuitarist, as with a lot of schools
02:10:16 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time infact 10 minutes over
02:10:59 <linux-modder> ParadoxGuitarist,  there is an ITT tech  near me  I can see
02:11:00 <award3535> we have to end the meeting any thing else before we go
02:11:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> not I
02:11:35 <wrnash1> nothing
02:11:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: I've visited 4 since I travel all over SoCal for work.
02:12:03 <linux-modder> this is east coast
02:12:26 <danofsatx-lt> I've got to run...are we voting on anything?
02:12:29 <award3535> please move any discussions that you wish to continue to the ambassadors irc
02:12:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: I really hope they take advantage of you.
02:12:32 <linux-modder> brother was best buds  with the  CS  folks
02:12:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm done
02:12:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> Good meeting all.
02:12:54 <award3535> great meeting tonight !!
02:13:09 <award3535> see you all next week
02:13:13 <award3535> #endmeeting