02:00:45 #startmeeting FAmNA 02:00:46 Meeting started Fri Dec 4 02:00:45 2015 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:59 #meetingname FAmNA 02:00:59 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:01:02 Hello Everyone 02:01:09 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 02:01:15 .hello jflory7 02:01:16 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 02:01:17 * laubersm lurks 02:01:22 .hello jbwillia 02:01:23 kk4ewt: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 02:01:30 .hello laubersm 02:01:31 laubersm: laubersm 'Susan Lauber' 02:01:37 #chair kk4ewt wrnash 02:01:37 Current chairs: award3535 kk4ewt wrnash 02:01:42 o/ 02:02:10 hello laubersm and welcome 02:02:19 #topic === Announcements === 02:02:48 laubersm welcome 02:03:06 greetings 02:03:07 Welcome all! 02:03:20 .hello Lord_Drachenblut 02:03:21 Lord_Drachenblut: Sorry, but you don't exist 02:03:24 hello all 02:03:30 Lord_Drachenblut: Try FAS username. 02:03:43 .hello lord_drachenblut 02:03:44 Lord_Drachenblut: Sorry, but you don't exist 02:04:26 .hello lorddrachenblut 02:04:27 Lord_Drachenblut: lorddrachenblut 'Matthew Williams' 02:04:35 ahhh there we go 02:04:53 any announcements before we get to tickets 02:05:06 Oh, I could say something 02:05:10 go 02:05:18 #chair Lord_Drachenblut 02:05:18 Current chairs: Lord_Drachenblut award3535 kk4ewt wrnash 02:05:40 So as many of you might know, the Fedora Elections cycle is coming up, and FAmSCo is being voted on new seats. 02:05:47 Interviews are being published on the Fedora Community Blog. 02:05:59 To see all of the FAmSCo interviews, you can use this tag: 02:06:02 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/category/famsco 02:06:18 Many are published, but there may be a few more leading up to the 7th. 02:06:23 404 02:06:24 eof 02:06:28 is the link correct? 02:06:40 I'm getting an 404 error 02:06:42 Oops, it wasn't 02:06:43 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/famsco/ 02:06:48 Try that. 02:06:55 that work 02:07:38 Also, in a general note, Ambassador-specific news year-round will be published to this category: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/category/ambassadors/ 02:07:45 That's all I have. 02:07:47 as you can see danofsatx and I are running for FAMSC 02:07:54 o 02:08:11 I wish the both of you good luck. 02:08:12 as am I I'll have a post up in the next few days 02:08:38 Best of luck to all running! 02:08:56 great wishes all! 02:09:03 yes good luck to our two ambassadors 02:09:48 ok moving to tickets 02:10:06 #topic === Tickets === 02:10:10 do we get an e-mail to vote or is there a link to go to to vote? 02:10:29 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 02:10:49 .famnaticket 116 02:10:51 award3535: #116 (Fedora 23 media quotes) – FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/116 02:11:26 ok everyone take a look at the ticket, nb moved this to critical 02:11:38 .hello decause 02:11:39 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 02:11:52 I say we go back to the former vendor 02:11:53 Do we really need DVD's 02:11:56 award3535: Seems like a logical decision to me. 02:12:13 i think most of the new laptops do not even have DVD's 02:12:31 I would agree let's go with the cheaper option 02:12:32 I would be interested to see a quote as to what it would cost to make thumbdrives 02:12:52 wrnash: I think they might be something on the way out, but I think the idea of "item distribution" in general is something the next FAmSCo is aiming to tackle (amongst Linux events in general) as they transition to FOSCo. 02:12:55 Lord_Drachenblut, 7.5 10 each 02:13:07 wrnash you are correct, but for a small event that i went to a couple of weeks ago I sure gave out alot of DVDs 02:13:23 $7.5-$10 each rather 02:13:35 ouch 02:13:42 +1 former vendor 02:13:52 +1 former vendor 02:13:53 +1 former vendor also 02:13:56 +1 former vendor 02:14:06 +1 former vendor 02:14:29 +1 former vendor 02:14:48 #agreed former vendor for DVD production 02:14:49 and i think we should do the multi-desktop 02:15:01 +1 02:15:02 I will inform nb as well 02:15:12 +1 for multi as well 02:15:13 +1 multidesktop 02:15:20 Which desktops 02:15:21 i motion we do the multi-desktop 02:15:26 Seems best way to go too for DVDs, +1 02:15:32 Gnome KDE XFCE.... 02:15:41 And Cinnamon, new for F23 :) 02:15:52 ooh 02:16:05 #action award3535 to contact nb with ticket information and multi desktop dvd 02:16:09 wrnash gnome,kde, lxde, cinnamon,xfce 02:16:28 I would agree on them 02:16:52 There's a lot of interest in Cinnamon right now too - seems like it's doing pretty well and might interest some users of other distros, like Mint, for example 02:17:19 as many as possible and if possible soas 02:17:30 gnome multiwriter has the ability to write to 20 drives at once. if we could source thumb drives cheap enough we could use that tool and create them ourselves 02:18:26 What size USB drive. 02:18:34 the cheapest I found were a 2G for about 4.99 each when you buy 3K or more, less than 3K its 7.99 each 02:19:11 award3535: are those just plain thumd drives or with printing on them 02:19:21 the 4G was 7.99 to 9.99 02:19:29 and to answer your question yes 02:20:02 If we are going to hand out thumb drives we need to do something special. like have the person post a picture on Twitter with the drive. or something similar 02:20:24 agreed wrnash 02:20:27 +1 wrnash 02:21:23 RH usually has a few that I get at events to hand out, but the ones I dont hand out I reimage with latest release 02:21:46 hello 02:21:47 I think that goes along with the same discussion on the mailing list about shirts over in the EMEA region. They're making "Proud Fedora User" shirts for FOSSDEM, but my understanding is that they're handed out to users who clearly have a deeper interest in Fedora other than just getting free stuff. 02:21:52 Hi Cydrobolt! 02:21:55 hey jflory7 02:22:02 #chair Cydrobolt 02:22:02 Current chairs: Cydrobolt Lord_Drachenblut award3535 kk4ewt wrnash 02:22:22 award3535 i wonder if there's a box of legacy version drives gathering dust somewhere... hmm 02:23:05 juggler, my thoughts exactly, sometimes when spot shows up there is a few things he has I have never seen before 02:23:18 award heh 02:23:26 Lord_Drachenblut, we always offer to put isos on peoples usbkey at events and so far in 4 years i have only had 1 02:24:01 I have only done 2 kk4ewt, both were at Fossetcon orlando 02:24:08 usually we get whatever is left over from the rh summit 02:24:09 wrnash, I like that idea 02:24:14 kk4ewt: I know, when red hat has them, that the bottlecap opener thumb drives are always a hot item 02:24:38 I think I am finally out of USB keys (I also reimage them with the latest) 02:24:38 there is a bottlecap opener thumb drive? genius! :) 02:24:53 yeah, USB keys are always in high demand at the events I've been to 02:25:06 I had a couple a while back, but they're all gone now 02:25:27 well i think fedora bottleopener would be good 02:25:34 I wonder if there would be an easier way to engage interaction with them. Like the people who take it for a free USB versus people who install and then become users of Fedora. 02:25:56 flock had a cool fedora bottle opener 02:26:05 Yeah, that was cool. :) 02:26:12 http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e00f/ 02:26:12 awesome 02:26:19 Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost to make 3D-printed merch en masse. 02:26:26 I gave the rest of the lunch boxes away at fossetcon 02:26:27 no its was lulubot opener 02:26:57 Cool little things like that to give away. Might be cheaper to print with 3D printing, but I'm anywhere close to being familiar with costs on 3D-printed goods. 02:27:06 Might it might give us room to be more creative with things we give away too 02:27:17 jflory7, very expensive 02:27:28 I don't think 3D printing is cheap en masse yet 02:27:44 Oh, hm. Well, maybe once the bubble pops and it becomes more accessible. 02:27:54 Never mind then. 02:27:55 kk4ewt the other side has fedora, I have one 02:28:16 well we would need several 3d printers 02:28:26 maybe we could have a contest at events. let people submit design idea's and the winner gets there printed 02:28:59 i would rather use the 3d printer and support printing hands for people who needs them 02:29:15 Lord_Drachenblut: Design ideas for a printer? 02:29:24 Interesting thought. 02:30:07 ok movin to open floor 02:30:16 * jflory7 nods 02:30:21 #topic == Open Floor === 02:30:25 Interesting: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-10-Sandisk-Cruzer-Blade-8GB-2-0-Usb-Flash-Drive-MEMORY-STICK-WHOLESALE-/151537328405 02:31:21 I'm still wondering, is there any kind of way a USB would more "traceable" to whether or not it is ever used? Just to know how effective a USB stick is over a DVD media. 02:31:36 juggler, we are also looking at labeling the drive as well, 02:31:58 cool 02:32:17 i wasn't sure if we stuck stickers on them or something like that... 02:32:22 jflory7 I would not want my usb to send data off the drive through the intranet 02:32:40 award3535: I wouldn't either - I was trying to think of a better way to do it. 02:32:46 there is a library for 3d printing fedora badeges, fyi 02:32:54 Oh? 02:33:05 churchyard wrote it 02:33:05 remember that kazaa, prodigy, and a few others lost major lawsuits because of that 02:33:22 the only way would be have the install phone home and i am against that as well 02:33:55 Looks like this: https://jskladan.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/3d-printing-workflow-with-inkscape/ 02:33:58 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-printing-LOGO-Card-Usb-Flash-Drive-1gb-2gb-4gb-8gb-16gb-Pen-drive-memory-Corporate/32308977111.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.117.tP9FXj&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_0,searchweb201560_7 02:34:00 I do not like the option of phone home. 02:34:12 as I am an information security person for my day job, boy that would open a door that we dont want to go through 02:34:15 500 pieces free logo printing 02:34:44 from 1126 for 1gb to 2165 for 16gb 02:35:10 Is this Vendor already setup with Fedora? 02:35:23 no idea 02:35:51 i just found them on aliexpress. I thought the business card style might be an interesting option over a normal thumbdrive 02:36:01 I agree 02:36:29 Drachenblut...Krita does something similar with their distribution...that was pretty sleek. 02:36:30 I looked at this company as well, but it is 2 to 3 times the cost over DVD media 02:36:36 phone home is beyound this meeting and is a matter for the council 02:37:04 kk4ewt I definitely agree 02:37:30 business card style would allow a "please go to this URL and tell us about your install experience" link. might get a half percent response rate :) 02:37:32 yea almost 5 bucks a piece for those. we would have to have people do something special to get one of these if we gave them out 02:37:40 Yeah, I was trying to think of a better way than to do that, but might be out of the scope of this meeting 02:37:58 Probably isn't really an answer, same problem with DVD media I suppose. 02:38:07 laubersm: Ohh 02:38:09 I did that with the keys I had at fossetcon 02:38:19 Drachenblut maybe a raffle for the special business card ones 02:38:20 laubersm++ I think that would be a good idea 02:38:20 jflory7: Karma for laubersm changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 02:38:45 could be done from a desktop icon in a modified image as well. 02:38:52 live image that is. 02:39:03 * ParadoxGuitarist wanders in. 02:39:27 #chair ParadoxGuitarist 02:39:27 Current chairs: Cydrobolt Lord_Drachenblut ParadoxGuitarist award3535 kk4ewt wrnash 02:39:38 hey PG 02:40:00 laubersm: I think that would be the most effective way to get some kind of engagement reaction. If we were to do USB media at some point, having that ready to go in some form would be in our interest. 02:40:10 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yiAgz1-9MRk3LboDWpB6RCrCshBDqHPgIiYAaT5WqlQ 02:40:34 Hiya ParadoxGuitarist. 02:40:44 hey juggler jflory7 02:41:11 I agree that we should give the flash drives to those are more likely to use it 02:41:19 or through some kind of raffle-like giveaway 02:41:33 We talking about media for next year? 02:41:49 well we already voted on that 02:41:56 for f23 media 02:42:07 It pass? 02:42:24 I think it was in discussion PG 02:42:27 yep 02:42:29 * ParadoxGuitarist dances for joy. 02:42:42 I guess this would be for the future then. 02:42:48 probably no need to mention in meeting, but I submitted a request for some swag on the Trac 02:42:51 the dvd +9 with mutlidesk 02:42:58 will be attending some ad-hoc smaller events in northeast region in the next few months 02:43:21 I know some organisers so I'll be able to give away swag and do some outreach 02:43:22 cydrobolt, i am out 02:43:30 kk4ewt, ah 02:43:34 do you know if anyone has any? 02:43:39 cydrobolt, you will need to email nb 02:43:44 award3535, okay 02:43:45 I am also out 02:43:52 do you know if he has any? 02:43:58 nb seems to be holding all the cards 02:44:05 i think nb is fairly low at this point as well 02:44:08 ah 02:44:13 ParadoxGuitarist, do you have any swag 02:44:17 I don't need a super large amount 02:44:23 Some, not a lot 02:44:31 somewhere ~120 stickers and some pens or such 02:44:43 well folks...i will be heading off to another meeting. it is good seeing everyone again... take care! 02:44:44 Big stickers and a few handfuls of pens/pencils 02:44:48 I still have a tiny bit but it is relatively low 02:44:50 and ParadoxGuitarist has the next big event 02:44:52 juggler, see ya 02:44:56 I see 02:45:00 Yeah, SCaLE 02:45:10 are we planning on ordering more? I'll ask nb 02:45:20 I think he has case badges 02:45:23 am I able to link the ticket to him or is that hidden 02:45:24 later cydrobolt! 02:45:27 bye 02:45:33 * ParadoxGuitarist waves. 02:45:48 well as soon as we known a budget we can, at the moment we have no budget 02:45:51 See ya juggler! 02:45:53 ok 02:46:41 decause, any headway on budget ? 02:46:44 kk4ewt, does nb have access to the ticket? 02:47:02 cydrobolt, change it to central and it will email him 02:47:06 ok 02:47:07 will do 02:47:10 nb should have access to view 02:47:12 who's in charge of west coast? 02:47:23 I am. 02:47:42 ah 02:47:43 gotcha 02:48:21 swag right? 02:48:28 cydrobolt, you are learning.... 02:48:35 yeah 02:48:45 keep up the good work 02:49:00 thanks award3535 02:50:18 decause, ping any news on budget ? 02:53:16 kk4ewt I have seen or heard anything either 02:54:42 all i have seen is request for next year 02:54:57 or proposal for such a request 02:55:09 Might be away, perhaps an email is best for an answer so we can know going forward 02:55:09 alright guys...... I got to run. 02:55:22 Lord_Drachenblut: See ya - don't forget to ping me later to help get your interview up. :) 02:55:27 Me to I got to go. 02:55:37 I emailed ruth suethl again to try to get the plane ticket to scale sorted out. 02:55:52 have a good evening Lord and wrnash 02:56:23 Lord_Drachenblut, has anyone put up a wiki page for scale and budget 02:56:47 Lord_Drachenblut: Did your talk get accepted? 02:57:36 kk4ewt I checked that earlier and there is nothing yet 02:57:38 kk4ewt: wiki has been up for over a month 02:57:39 ParadoxGuitarist: He hadn't heard anything yet, but talks are in the process of being accepted 02:57:42 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_14X_Event 02:57:56 So he should know soon, I think was what he said 02:58:03 He and I talked briefly about it before the meeting in channel 02:58:46 kk4ewt: there is a scale page up with a skeleton budget for hotel room and travel 02:58:50 and ParadoxGuitarist not yet 02:59:16 ParadoxGuitarist, i take it you are waiting for his talk to get accepted 02:59:25 alright got to jet. if you have any other questions ask jflory7to shoot me a text 02:59:47 sorry i see it now 03:00:32 ok time to jet here as well 03:00:38 ParadoxGuitarist can you link the page to the events page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY16_Q4_.28December_2015_-_February_2016.29 03:03:51 ok guess its time to end the meeting... 03:03:58 Thanks all. 03:04:01 award3535++ for your time 03:04:09 #endmeeting