02:00:02 #startmeeting FAmNA 02:00:02 Meeting started Fri Dec 18 02:00:02 2015 UTC. The chair is wrnash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:12 .hello corey84 02:00:13 linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' 02:00:19 evening all 02:00:20 #meetingname FAmNA 02:00:20 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 02:00:27 howdy wrnash 02:00:30 jflory7, thanks for the ping 02:00:32 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 02:00:37 .hello jflory7 02:00:38 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 02:00:42 linuxmodder: Sure thing :) 02:00:50 #chair jflory7 02:00:50 Current chairs: jflory7 wrnash 02:00:56 hey modder 02:01:02 #chair linuxmodders 02:01:02 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodders wrnash 02:01:05 juggler, how goes it 02:01:12 been busy here myself 02:01:13 it goes! :) 02:01:14 Evening, wrnash, juggler o/ 02:01:21 likewise 02:01:22 hi everyone 02:01:36 hullo 02:01:47 Enjoying your week before holiday? 02:02:05 .hello decause 02:02:07 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 02:02:10 This has been a very busy week 02:02:17 not sure...i think i need a holiday for my week before the holiday lol 02:02:22 #chair decause 02:02:22 Current chairs: decause jflory7 linuxmodders wrnash 02:02:32 wrnash: No kidding. 02:03:14 #topic === Announcements === 02:03:31 I think this is the last meeting for 2015. 02:03:36 wrnash: I think so. 02:03:46 I believe you are correct wrnash 02:03:51 any other Announcements 02:03:54 I also have a major announcement to share too 02:03:59 Hello! 02:04:00 .hello cydrobolt 02:04:01 cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' 02:04:02 Go ahead 02:04:09 #chair cydrobolt 02:04:09 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 linuxmodders wrnash 02:04:13 cydrobolt! :) 02:04:19 #info The new Fedora Ambassador Steering Committee was elected Tuesday 02:04:19 hey juggler! 02:04:21 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VBNBCPF44FOF25EUX3L4NSYMOGXNRPKS/ 02:04:24 * decause waves 02:04:50 Congrats to everyone 02:04:53 Our new FAmNA is cwickert, gnokii, tuanta, potty, mailga, lbazan, and giannisk. 02:05:13 The plan is for this to be the last FAmNA as well. 02:05:24 The future being with FOSCo. 02:05:40 When is the FOSCo meeting? 02:05:53 wrnash: FOSCo is not yet formed - the current FAmSCo is going to help transition to the new body. 02:05:59 jflory7: Famsco? Famna? 02:06:04 * kk4ewt 02:06:13 potty: yes 02:06:30 FAmSco 02:06:33 Whoops, lol, my bad, potty! 02:06:40 s/FAmNA/FAmSCo 02:06:47 Jeje 02:06:48 so we have no NA representatives on Famsco 02:06:51 ;) 02:07:36 kk4ewt: spose not :/ 02:08:18 What will happen to the open tickets? 02:08:25 I don't see it as a major issue, though, or at least not for this FAmSCo. I think the big picture plan is to work on phasing it out while still supporting the Ambassadors with a worldwide leadership body. 02:08:28 new COSCo/FOSCo should include regional delegates though 02:08:38 I'm confident in the new FAmSCo to get the job done 02:08:52 wrnash: One more announcement 02:09:06 go ahead 02:09:38 #info Fedora subgroups and teams across the entire Project are encouraged to write a "Year in Review" article for the Community Blog summing up 2015 in a post 02:09:40 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/share-your-year-in-review-with-fedora/ 02:09:53 The basic outline is coming up with three highlights and one goal for 2016. 02:09:57 well right now, i am sorry, i am not in the mood for the koolaid 02:10:08 Along with any pictures that anyone might have to share too. 02:10:34 I was thinking I'll file a ticket in the Trac as well, but I think this is something we should all start thinking about too 02:10:55 jflory7++ 02:11:29 event reports make for good highkights too 02:11:59 any other announcements 02:12:03 commops is going to collate all the teams' info into a nice highlight reel :) 02:12:19 wrnash: I'm all good. 02:12:28 I will go file that ticket now as well 02:12:30 * decause is good 02:12:50 let's move on to tickets i guess 02:12:51 koolaid ? must have missed something ( i did d/c) 02:12:51 #topic === Tickets === 02:13:25 I think only one that Ruth wanted us to discuss tonight 02:13:31 noen ? 02:13:44 OSCON one, yes 02:13:47 <--got one for discussion too 02:14:00 one for open floor possibly from me 02:14:04 * linuxmodder brb 02:14:11 https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/119 02:14:18 #info Ticket #119 - OSCON 2016 booth 02:15:05 So I think we just have decide if we have the manpower to make it out there if I understand correctly? 02:15:15 offhand, was ticket 119 truncated? the description looks abruptly ended... 02:15:28 juggler: It was, Ruth left the last two words in the next comment. 02:15:31 first comment has the words 02:15:31 I might be able to go this year. I will know when it gets closer. 02:15:32 ah 02:15:32 yes 02:15:35 "contract process" 02:15:47 $7500 02:16:22 #link http://oreillyconnect.com/view/mail?iID=vPqnJWvRkkjcVBVBhRqT 02:16:24 it is also in Austin, TX, and earlier tha July, iirc 02:16:33 has the budget been pass yet? 02:16:38 decause: The ticket says mid-May, yeah 02:16:43 wrnash, nope 02:17:04 I do not think we can approve this until the budget get approved. 02:17:12 its not like we will have media anyways 02:17:35 +1 wrnash 02:17:39 Well, if Ruth is asking for it, there is probably some urgency 02:18:21 if all goes well (fingers crossed) we'll get what we got last year for budget 02:18:27 decause, I am sorry but we ask for things and are told no we shouldnt do that so it doesnt matter 02:18:36 am I reading this right the dates are 16May2016 19May2016 02:18:48 wrnash: That sounds correct. 02:18:56 so it is during the week 02:19:15 OSCON usually is yeah 02:20:25 I think that problem is linked to a bigger issue on the table, that mattdm brought up in the email he sent a couple weeks ago 02:20:35 kk4ewt: the media issue i think you are referring to was settled out with nb and mattdm last i knew 02:20:56 Do we need to check with Ruth to see if this is urgent or not 02:21:09 and yes, mattdm did post to the list shortly thereafter too to help close the loop 02:21:13 wrnash that sounds like a good idea 02:21:40 wrnash: consider it urgent. She asked today. twice. 02:21:49 IMHO 02:22:26 i suppose we can find out when absolute deadline is, but knowing which way we are leaning is a good idea 02:22:41 I agree 02:22:52 7500 is a pretty penny, no doubt 02:23:03 we do not have enough information to vote on it 02:23:28 wrnash: fair enough 02:23:48 I see another new ticket 02:23:54 yup 02:24:09 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/118 02:24:25 Linux Fest North West 2016 02:25:21 * decause has never beem to lfnw 02:25:22 I may be able to attend too 02:25:37 Are we just needing to decide if we are attending or is this a budget topic? 02:25:49 decause, yes rel-eng said no to building the multi desk and mattdm said we should follow the corporate line and only can do the workstation 02:26:21 looks like they are asking for $3000.00 02:26:44 rel-eng give a reason for the no on multi kk4ewt ? 02:26:57 they said no and that is that 02:27:07 I think it's best summed up in mattdm's email 02:27:24 It's a larger problem at the table than just the multi-desktop DVDs 02:28:46 kk4ewt: check the list, mattdm lays out a bunch of good info on that mail 02:28:55 jflory7, yes its the basicly the fedoraproject abandoning it community 02:29:16 I don't really agree with that 02:29:32 This is probably something better for open floor at the moment also 02:29:40 kk4ewt: I think we are changing a lot after Fedora.Next, yes 02:29:40 It's a larger discussion that we should definitely have 02:30:00 Let see if there are new tickets 02:30:03 I'm with kk4ewt on that 02:30:06 if not we can move to open floor 02:30:18 120? :) 02:30:26 decause, and forgeting about the users unless they want gnome desktop ( and they hate it ) but we will not be going to events to get that input 02:30:37 sorry i will leave 02:30:53 https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/117 02:31:07 This is just a ticket waiting for the budget to be approved. 02:31:15 * jflory7 nods 02:31:16 this is bigger than which windowanager is preferred. it is about tieing spend to metrics so we can get more budget for the community 02:31:22 read the email plz 02:31:52 I do not see any other new tickets. 02:32:13 If anyone agrees lets move to open floor 02:32:22 wrnash ticket 120? 02:32:33 Let me look at it 02:32:50 I do not see 120 on my list. 02:33:04 wrnash: +1 for open floor 02:33:14 wrnash really? hmm 02:33:28 juggler: Oh, I just saw this. https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/120 02:33:35 Is this your ticket? 02:33:40 yup 02:33:47 Congrats on being accepted to speak! 02:33:54 thanks. :) 02:34:41 i've prepaid the room. award3535 asked me to submit the ticket to get the ball rolling... I hope I did that right...first timer submitting stuff. 02:34:51 also updated the event page. 02:35:30 You are asking for 364.54 02:35:31 120 is a reference to 117 for juggler to get lodging 02:35:33 juggler: So everything is already purchased, this ticket is for reimbursement? 02:35:36 juggler, the topic for scale ? 02:35:38 your I mean 02:36:21 jflory7 correct. 02:36:35 modder krita: digital painting 02:37:22 Is there anything we need to do for 120? 02:37:25 modder see also: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_14X_Event#Fedora_Volunteers 02:37:45 wrnash dunno.. is there? :) 02:38:03 or is it a wait until i attend and get receipts thing? 02:38:52 juggler, think so MAKE SURE to do up the event report |review and link in the event ticket 02:39:08 I agree 02:39:16 given the new rules for reimburse lack of that will be a defacto no-go 02:39:45 but, we (commops) want to help publish your event reports too, so that you can meet the new reqs with flying colors :) 02:39:47 can someone write a link here of a nice report writeup so I can study up on that? thanks. 02:39:49 juggler: The Community Blog is also a great platform to write an event report for too. 02:40:08 juggler: award wrote one not too long ago. One sec. 02:40:15 thx jflory7 02:40:19 exactly. community blog is a great place to help bring shine to the good works that Ambassadors are doing in the world 02:40:24 juggler, look at any of the events award has done 02:40:51 Here's his event report for FOSSETCON. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fossetcon-2015-orlando-florida/ 02:41:26 FOSSETCON event report juggler 02:41:37 look and use it as a good study guide 02:41:57 thx kk4ewt! 02:42:02 thx jflory7 02:42:10 thx modder too 02:42:31 juggler: Sure thing! 02:42:31 #topic == Open Floor === 02:43:56 Anything for open floor 02:44:43 Looking to start Campus Ambassador stuff locally in 2016 ( anything for high school or earlier in place -- possible) 02:44:48 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6735VB5YLGCAHKTEB6DGIT7DQEQUXSO2/ 02:45:06 I have a internship I'm at with as young as pre-schoolers with pc skills learning 02:45:26 linuxmodder++ Campus Ambassador is definitely something I think we should look into rebooting. 02:45:38 linuxmodder: I'm *quite* interested in this topic too. I liked what I was hearing at FLOCK. 02:45:53 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/University_Involvement_Initiative 02:46:05 A good read about a recent initiative started by the Fedora Council 02:46:15 Campus Ambassadors is definitely a way we can have an impact on that initiative 02:46:17 reboot ? pardon the tone but seemed dead on arrival when i came on board ( save the work award was doing ) 02:46:26 I would like to help out on this also. 02:46:32 linuxmodder: Possibly, you'd know better than I would - I wasn't around for its inception. 02:46:40 * decause wasn't around here 02:46:50 but is here now, and def wants to do more on campuses everywhere 02:46:58 I think its initial launch dates back to 2009, but looking through the mailing list, I think it lacked effective organization 02:47:12 wrnash, kk4ewt is there any standing doc for the guidelines ? 02:47:27 I do not know of any 02:47:29 if not I'll ping award via email for his current best practices 02:47:39 best idea 02:48:19 kk4ewt, you mind helpjng too I know you do a bunch at vt already hence the request but I understand if you cant 02:48:42 jflory7, any space for a fedmag article that you know of for that ? 02:48:46 I /think/ we have an edu mail-list? 02:48:48 linuxmodder: Maybe a good idea for the entire list? I'm sure we're not the only region with interest in the Campus Ambassadors too. 02:48:48 or planet 02:49:02 linuxmodder: You mean putting something out about the Campus Ambassadors? 02:49:40 jflory7, or the whole youth | community learning outreach bit as a whole but if we have to limit to Campus Ambas. to start sure 02:50:06 or mind linking to my planet blog feed I'll work up a post on mine this weekend 02:50:07 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/education%40lists.fedoraproject.org/ 02:50:17 jflory7, so now we are moving to high schools since we have succeeded with supporting colleges so greatly? 02:50:37 linuxmodder: We could definitely organize some kind of write-up for Campus Ambassadors. Is this more of a call for thoughts and ideas? 02:50:55 earlier is likely better since colleges are sadly more drink my brains away these days for 90% of pupils 02:50:58 kk4ewt: that is a good question. there is lots of momentum around initiatives like code.org 02:51:06 #link http://code.org 02:51:08 kk4ewt: Where we need to focus depends on where we have the resources and people to dig ourselves deeper. 02:51:17 or code for America 02:51:22 they have managed to get CS counted as math credit in over half the HS in the US in the past year :) 02:51:25 very good progress 02:51:37 their "Hour of Code" initiative has been quite popular 02:51:40 The best time to reach kids and expose them to open source anyways is at a younger age, to make it something they're familiar with 02:52:00 doing K-12 outreach comes with it's own set of challenges though 02:52:20 yes it does been doing that for years 02:52:23 and yes, jflory7 is right about not trying to "boil the ocean" and stretch too thin 02:52:24 It's important to consider where we as FAmNA can focus on. If we have people who have close ties with high schools, they're someone we definitely want to include in the discussion 02:52:28 jflory7, may not be all of us but speaking for myself I could and would WILLINGLY shave time off schedule for a organized initiaitive 02:52:49 so a challenge means screw it now? 02:52:58 linuxmodder: Likewise. 02:53:05 perhaps we could start by getting a good idea of where everyone is geographically, and what schools we already ahve connections too. 02:53:13 I like that idea 02:53:24 decause get the cyber patriot comp to move away from ubuntu 02:53:35 the key to dealing with tight bureacracies is finding "champions" within them who know the culture and red tape 02:53:52 kk4ewt has Virginia Tech to my knowledge, I could definitely help out with Rochester Institute of Technology 02:53:55 and each place is it's own snowflake, with it's own culture 02:54:07 Or even start some sort of "battle of the linux distros" pros|cons of each 02:54:08 I'm sure there's more, I think award is also involved with a university but I can't remember which? 02:54:18 in these "hr of code" mttgs 02:54:25 decause: Definitely, definitely agreed 02:54:39 UofMichigan is the one he is working on atm iirc 02:54:47 It won't happen in K-12 districts without an insider :P 02:54:50 In my experiences, anyways 02:54:52 jflory7, there is a cyber patriot competition yearly and i help the local high school with that but its always geared at ubuntu 02:54:57 linuxmodder: Good info. 02:55:01 running a fixed number of hackathons/FADs in each region would be a good goal for 2016 02:55:13 +1 02:55:37 I had a personal goal to be involved with at least one, which I helped with at RIT 02:55:40 I'd like to do more though 02:55:52 Hackathons are one of my *favorite* ways to engage with new contributors 02:55:53 kk4ewt: Hmmmm. That's good ground to work with - there's some exposure to Linux / open source there. If it could be generalized to Linux as a whole, that would be a plus. 02:55:59 Been trying to set up with GMU and UMD but with seemingly lack of anything to go on short of award's efforts and kk4ewt 's help is discouraging for a community effort 02:56:06 should we schedule a vote on what this fixed number should be now, or wait till early january? :) 02:56:26 I think we should start with an "inventory" of where folks are, and which EDU's they are connected to 02:56:52 I can tell you from personal experience that it is *much* easier to get onto a college campus than a K12 campus, but it is not impossible 02:56:56 not all Ambassadors are connected to an EDU 02:57:06 juggler, open it to the list ( globally to all ambassadors even maybe) 02:57:16 Perhaps we can add a section to the University Involvent wiki page? Or start a thread on the education list? 02:57:29 not just NA and see if we can't start a flame globally and get cues from regions like india 02:57:32 or yeah, ambassador list in general announcing where that "Inventory" is 02:57:49 linuxmodder: I know for sure that there are EDU's in LATAM that reached out after FUDCON in Cordoba 02:57:51 linuxmodder: I think it's something that affects Ambassadors worldwide. 02:58:11 Nicaragua an Costa Rica are both very interested. and neville cross has been doing some *amazing* work with Ikara there 02:58:20 (robotics curriculum for Junior High) 02:58:24 jflory7, but we keep chats in mtgs mostly regionally blocked seems stupid to me 02:58:30 it has been accepted in the national curriculum, IIRC 02:58:48 modder: you may wish to pass the e-mail list broadcast to another ambassador until i iron out my e-mail problem. :) 02:59:16 linuxmodder: I do think there should be a little more increased communication between regions. Hopefully this is something FAmSCo and future FOSCo can help contribute to. 02:59:26 jflory7: def agreed 02:59:48 <---heading to my next meeting. have a great holiday good people. 02:59:56 FYI, the translation/localization/internationalization/globalization teams are all looking to do something similar to COSCo/FOSCO as well 03:00:02 juggler: If you'd like, I could approach sending an email to the list about Campus Ambassadors as a big discussion 03:00:03 It's almost time to end the meeting 03:00:03 thx wrnash for facilitating! 03:00:03 juggler++ 03:00:04 decause: Karma for juggler changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 03:00:17 juggler++ Thanks for making it out tonight, see ya! 03:00:34 jflory7: let's add a page to the EDU wiki for an inventory 03:00:43 #proposal Start a thread on both the ambassador lists ( all regions) and EDU lists adn fedmag|comblog by end of year 03:00:54 jflory7: yes please. and I can catch up with you on in a few days if you need help from my side.. thanks. 03:00:57 decause: Sounds good to me. 03:01:07 juggler: Sure thing. 03:01:09 #action decause/jflory7 add an additional page to the EDU initiative wikispace for an "inventory" of Campus Ambassador Contacts by region 03:01:33 anything else. 03:01:35 linuxmodder: I think that's a good prerequisite to the email, so we can help direct people to a place to go. 03:02:21 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/share-your-year-in-review-with-fedora/ 03:02:43 #action FAMNA_storyteller fill in YiR template for commblog 03:02:47 thx all. take care and ttyl 03:02:56 #action commops help FAMNA_storyteller fill in template and publish for YiR 03:03:04 kk 03:03:11 * decause is good now :) 03:03:18 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/121 03:03:25 That's a ticket for the Year in Review. 03:03:45 jflory7++ 03:03:50 We are starting to go over on time, though 03:03:54 I think I'm good as well for now 03:03:59 I've got a good queue of things to work on 03:04:05 yeah, to the lists with anything else :P 03:04:20 * jflory7 nods 03:04:26 Motion to close the meeting? 03:04:28 Good night everyone. 03:04:30 +1 03:04:35 to close the meeting 03:04:35 wrnash++ Thanks for chairing! 03:04:36 jflory7: Karma for wrnash1 changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 03:04:37 wrnash: thanks! 03:04:41 wrnash++ 03:04:41 decause: Karma for wrnash1 changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 03:04:58 +1 gavel 03:05:03 #endmeeting