00:59:52 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 00:59:52 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 22 00:59:52 2016 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:52 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:56 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 00:59:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:10 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:00:31 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor 01:00:32 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com> 01:00:42 <award3535> #chair danofsatx 01:00:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 danofsatx 01:00:48 <award3535> evening 01:01:00 * masta looks in 01:01:03 <masta> howdy folks 01:01:03 <cydrobolt> o/ 01:01:06 <danofsatx> evenin' folks. How goes it in your areas? Mighty wet in Texas...which is something we can't usually say 01:01:09 <juggler> o/ Bialy roll :) 01:01:18 <award3535> #chair cydrobolt juggler 01:01:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx juggler 01:01:32 <award3535> #chair masta 01:01:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx juggler masta 01:01:45 <juggler> evening all 01:02:30 <juggler> danofsatx send some rain here...but not TOO much, mmkay? 01:02:44 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:04 <award3535> LFNW is this weekend, may have some low attendance tonight 01:03:14 <danofsatx> roger that 01:03:33 <award3535> #chair mikedep333 jsandys 01:03:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx jsandys juggler masta mikedep333 01:03:54 <award3535> jsandys, any last minute info for this weekend 01:04:29 <jsandys> Just getting everything ready 01:04:48 <award3535> no worries, enjoy the weekend and good luck! 01:04:48 <juggler> I'm so excited for y'all! 01:04:53 <jsandys> Received the banners and event box 01:05:41 <award3535> Great! do good things and have a great time 01:06:22 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 01:06:23 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com> 01:06:31 <jsandys> Could still use some help if you are in the nw 01:06:35 <award3535> #chair jflory7 01:06:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx jflory7 jsandys juggler masta mikedep333 01:06:55 * jflory7 has some announcements 01:06:55 <award3535> jsandys would love too, but a little too far for me 01:07:00 <jsandys> Free lfnw shirt and linch 01:07:17 <award3535> jflory7 go ahead with your announcements 01:07:30 <jflory7> I have three this week 01:07:33 <juggler> and a game night! 01:07:41 <jflory7> #info === "Photography with the Fedora Design Suite" === 01:07:43 <jflory7> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/photography-fedora-design-suite/ 01:07:48 <jflory7> #info YouTuber Riley Brandt did a review of the Fedora Design Suite and its applications towards photography. It's a great overview of the Design Suite. Feel free to share the article or video among your own circles! 01:07:53 <jflory7> #link https://youtu.be/mEYiafBl01s 01:07:59 <jflory7> #info === "BrickHack 2016 and Fedora: Event Report" === 01:08:05 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/brickhack-2016-event-report/ 01:08:10 <jflory7> #info The full event report for BrickHack 2016 was published last week. It looks at what happened at BrickHack 2016 and tries to evaluate our impact at the event. 01:08:16 <jflory7> #info === "Time to test Fedora 24 internationalization" === 01:08:25 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/time-test-fedora-24-internationalization/ 01:08:33 <jflory7> #info The F24 Internationalization (I18n) test day recently came to a close. You can read more about what it aimed to accomplish on the Community Blog. 01:08:38 <jflory7> eof 01:08:42 <jflory7> Oh, wait, sorry, one more 01:08:48 <jflory7> And this is cool for Ambassadors especially 01:08:56 <jflory7> For people wanting to create install media 01:09:02 <jflory7> #info === "Live Media Writer Test Day (2016-04-19)" === 01:09:08 <jflory7> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HBOKKIJ5BSFPEVJVLKYRSM7PVU2SC3PO/ 01:09:13 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2016-04-19_Fedora_Media_Writer 01:09:19 <jflory7> #info The Fedora Media Writer (formerly known as Live USB Creator) was recently rewritten and was tested for default inclusion in F24 yesterday. 01:09:20 <jflory7> eof 01:09:45 <juggler> thx jflory7. good stuff 01:09:59 <award3535> jflory7 thank you for the information, read the first three already, was not aware of the last one 01:10:43 <jflory7> Hopefully should be a nice tool to have post-Fedora 24. :) 01:10:56 <masta> awesome 01:10:56 <jflory7> Will also have good support for Windows too, if I recall 01:11:11 <jflory7> So Windows users can download this, make a Fedora USB, and run it on their own. 01:11:57 <award3535> as a note from last weeks meeting, I am currently working on guides for reimbursement, event planning, and ambassador quick reference guide 01:12:06 <award3535> should have them ready in a week or so 01:12:28 <award3535> ok moving on to tickets 01:12:31 <mikedep333> jflory7, last I tried, the graphics weren't perfect on windows, but it worked well 01:12:31 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:12:51 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:12:54 <jflory7> award3535: That's awesome news! Looking forward to seeing them. 01:13:03 <award3535> take a minute to review tickets 01:13:06 <juggler> agreed jflory7 01:14:12 <award3535> .famnaticket 119 01:14:13 <zodbot> award3535: #119 (OSCON 2016 booth) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/119 01:14:22 <masta> hey hey hey 01:14:28 * masta takes the floor 01:14:30 <award3535> masta any more information on this ticket 01:14:46 <award3535> you have the conn masta 01:15:10 <masta> ok, so I got all the primary logistics done. Thanks for the budget vote last meeting folks... with that I got the hotel booked, and other details in the works. 01:15:19 <masta> EOF - we can move on to next ticket 01:15:48 <juggler> masta excellent 01:16:01 <masta> oh there is one thing 01:16:14 <masta> I had to remove one ambassador that I found listed on the vent page 01:16:24 <masta> event page, even 01:16:36 <masta> one Bill Nash, who is not here this meeting 01:16:56 <juggler> curious, why? 01:17:02 <juggler> missed deadline? 01:17:04 * danofsatx just noticed he's not on there 01:17:12 <masta> can only afford two ambassadors unfortunately, and sharing the booth with RH means a lot of folks in the space... 01:17:20 <juggler> ah 01:17:43 <masta> ok EOF, for real thsi time 01:17:55 <decause> .hello decause 01:17:56 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com> 01:17:58 <award3535> masta since you are event owner for us, you can decide who fits best for your purpose 01:18:05 <award3535> #chair decause 01:18:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt danofsatx decause jflory7 jsandys juggler masta mikedep333 01:18:11 <award3535> welcome decause 01:18:41 * decause waves 01:19:08 <award3535> decause you and I need to find a time to meet up online 01:19:23 <masta> decause, hey man! 01:19:24 <decause> award3535: agreed. I've been neck deep in budget for 2 weeks now 01:19:28 <decause> masta: hi there :) 01:19:42 <decause> next week is when I think we'll make the final call 01:20:04 <decause> we almost made the call last meeting, but I've got a couple more scenarios to post still before the weekend 01:20:44 <masta> excuses, excuses 01:20:46 * masta runs 01:21:14 <award3535> budget I am no stranger to 01:21:24 <award3535> but standing by..... 01:21:45 <masta> decause, we appreciate your help on the budget, like... a bunch! 01:21:53 <award3535> decause I just PM'd you with some phone numbers 01:22:38 <award3535> ok moving to next ticket 01:22:42 <award3535> .famnaticket 145 01:22:43 <zodbot> award3535: #145 (SELF 2016) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/145 01:23:27 <award3535> I think this one is set for now, I will follow up with kk4ewt on shipment of items back to the east coast 01:23:45 <decause> masta: I'm here to help. The better numbers we have, the better the liklihood that we can improve our budget situation next year (and spend our loot more wisely, and make a bigger impact too) 01:24:05 * decause is planning to go to SELF. Do I need to register? 01:24:09 <decause> is CFP still open? 01:24:28 * decause has this on his radar because of ambassadors 01:24:42 <award3535> decause, I think you should register, you are listed to go 01:25:02 <award3535> decause what do you mean 01:25:03 <decause> kk 01:25:14 <decause> #action decause register for SELF 01:25:48 <decause> award3535: I mean, this event wasn't in my plans until you folks brought it up and I was like "oh yeah, I'm in the South East now :P" 01:26:06 <juggler> hehe 01:26:33 <award3535> ok cool, your of course are always welcome to any event 01:27:50 <masta> coolies 01:27:54 <award3535> .famnaticket 148 01:27:55 <zodbot> award3535: #148 (TXLF 2016 (Austin, TX - July 8th-9th)) – FAmNA Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/148 01:28:03 * masta takes the floor 01:28:15 <masta> ok folks, look at this ticket real quick 01:28:51 * juggler looks 01:28:57 <decause> ? http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/?page_id=30 01:28:58 <masta> I want to sponsor TXLF at the silver level. 01:29:36 <decause> SELF registration is not yet ready? 01:29:39 <decause> is that right? 01:29:43 <decause> sorry, realize this is noisey 01:29:47 <award3535> yes 01:29:55 <award3535> your are correct 01:29:56 <decause> award3535: ok, I'll have to check back later 01:29:58 <masta> Fedora has sponsored this even a while now, and this year we probably have to downgrade a bit due to budget uncertainty 01:30:04 * decause sits back down 01:30:19 <decause> masta: I think this is probably a good idea 01:30:20 <award3535> masta that is a little pricey 01:30:29 <award3535> silver at 3.5k 01:30:35 <decause> that's pricey, yeah 01:30:55 <award3535> we shut down another event that was that same price 01:30:57 <masta> so like, in the past inode0 and I would budget this at gold level, but now-days gold level price increased, and FAmNA budget decrease... 01:31:33 <award3535> masta you may want to see if prior attendance and educational areas are cheaper 01:31:41 <masta> so that silver 3.5 is like the gold level a short year or two ago.... 01:31:51 <award3535> masta I remember 01:31:54 <danofsatx> Get RH to sponsor Diamond, and we take 1/4 of their booth? 01:32:25 <award3535> I did the one in San Antonio that was 1.5k for silver 01:32:28 <masta> danofsatx, well... last year they wanted to share *our* booth because their timing/budget was all jacked up 01:32:42 <danofsatx> tell them to pay for it then ;) 01:32:46 <masta> I'd appreciate if we can do silver 01:33:14 <masta> but it's something I can only try to be persuasive, call a vote, etc... 01:33:17 <decause> def find out how much they want for community table pricing 01:33:25 <masta> okay 01:33:34 <decause> generally speaking 01:33:48 <decause> we need to make sure that we're repping 01:34:01 <decause> this is important, to make sure folks know Fedora is participating 01:34:08 <masta> well this event has sustained grown year over year 01:34:18 <masta> s/grown/growth/ 01:34:35 <masta> it's in the 1,500 attendee realm 01:34:51 <decause> masta: I'm going to defer to the local ambassadors for your decision on the places you want to focus on for sure. I believe you when you say it, you know best. 01:35:33 <decause> I do know that in general, we're trying to encourage ambassadors to invest more outside of our linux-y conference bubbles, and try to go into more small meetup-y kind of things 01:35:41 <danofsatx> TXLF is growing. Last year's was impacted due to timing and location - it was "Move in" Weekend in the small town that hosts Texas State Uni 01:35:51 <decause> I'm not saying don't do it 01:36:01 <danofsatx> Now that it's back in Austin, I think we'll hit at least 2k this year. 01:36:01 <decause> I'm saying if we can get away with bronze and get the same experience, we should try 01:36:23 <decause> we can talk with piggy-backing on RHT booth, assuming RHT sponsors, def 01:36:24 <danofsatx> Although, July 8-9 is a rough time to be in Austin 01:36:29 <award3535> masta, please check into getting repeat attendance discounts, etc... 01:36:31 <masta> a bit of metadate, the event is organized by the same folks that do the southern California expo... they seem keen to keep growing this event in Texas 01:36:31 <decause> I want to stretch the dollars as best as we can :) 01:37:02 <masta> ok folks, I'll come back with more facts and data point, and a sales pitch to wow you next meeting. 01:37:06 <award3535> I agree with decause, more bang for the buck 01:37:50 <decause> masta: even if we cannot get a reduced admission, that is fine, it's just we gotta really show impact from it so that there will be *zero* questions next year 01:38:27 <masta> well... inode0 taught me that in some cases Fedora should sponsor certain events... to foster them... this is one of those we have cultivated.. at some point.. I agree we shoudl cut back a bit 01:38:35 <danofsatx> how about InnoTech conferences? http://www.innotechconferences.com/ 01:39:18 <decause> masta: I def agree that in some ways, our Friends foundation is what we are putting on display here when we sponsor community events. We are a Friend of FOSS across the board 01:39:35 <decause> when we can support new events, that is good for us 01:39:48 <masta> #action Masta to investigate community pricing for TXLF 01:40:00 <masta> oh, should that be a dot in front? 01:40:01 <decause> it sounds like if we were -2K on our dollars though, that it probably wouldn't be the difference on whether or not SELF happens 01:40:23 <decause> if it would be a huge black-eye for us, because we're tight with the organizers though, that is something to consider 01:40:38 <decause> I'm *all* about making informed decisions, I just wanna make sure we have as much info as possible 01:40:38 <masta> yeah... 01:41:12 <decause> masta: I will support whatever FAMNA wants to do with it, and fight as hard as I can with the data I have to justify these spends when budget comes around next year 01:41:23 <decause> keep me posted 01:41:26 <decause> brb 01:41:30 <masta> will do 01:42:37 <masta> even if we do a community type booth, we should still consider something to help sponsor the event.. say 1k or whatever 01:42:38 <award3535> masta, good job, keep plugging away, I happen to like the TXLF events 01:43:04 <award3535> I would like to attend if the budget supports 01:43:21 <jsandys> I was trying to do a correlation between events and downloads 01:43:23 <masta> award3535, that would be great! 01:43:33 <award3535> what ever you can put together we can look at 01:43:46 <masta> ok EOF 01:44:10 <award3535> ok moving on 01:44:11 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:45:04 <masta> woo - open floor 01:45:09 <juggler> yeah! 01:45:15 * masta disco dances on the open floor 01:45:26 <award3535> Just as a side note, decause and I have to work out some details with the Card holder stuff, and once the kinks are out I think that reimbursments and other things will get done much quicker 01:46:14 <juggler> I was wondering if there might be interest in a possible visibility at Defcon 2016... 01:46:20 <juggler> Is that a suitable event? 01:46:32 <award3535> Defcon? 01:46:46 <award3535> is that Defense Convention? 01:46:49 <juggler> https://www.defcon.org/ 01:46:58 <masta> defcon would be great, but not if it's crazy expensive 01:47:09 <danofsatx> Defcon ain't cheap. And the Security Spin needs to be a /lot/ more polished to be represented there. 01:47:24 * masta nods 01:47:38 <danofsatx> defcon is akin to the blackhat convention 01:48:02 <jsandys> Try to go to more small meetup-y kind of things ??? 01:48:02 <award3535> so a bunch of white hats? 01:48:08 <juggler> lol 01:48:14 <masta> we had to skip funding OSCON this year, because crazy expensive... but we managed to share with our friends at RH... maybe we can do that for defon 01:48:16 <decause> defcon is a BFD security conference 01:48:34 <juggler> BFD - Big Freaking Deal? 01:48:58 <masta> award3535, hey technically I got a card too, but I'm keen to pay the expenses via the community process (report, recipts, etc) 01:49:23 <decause> juggler: yes, close ;) 01:49:23 <masta> award3535, it will be great once we get you setup propeerly 01:49:35 <juggler> decause I get it heh 01:49:39 <masta> award3535, you being the budget master 01:49:41 <award3535> masta you are correct, no more wading through the mud 01:50:32 <masta> award3535, the big bummer is the ceiling spending limit 01:50:35 * decause will be helping award3535 too 01:50:59 <masta> sometimes swag purchase requires a purchase order from our benefactor 01:51:28 <masta> we need new swag badly! 01:51:33 <award3535> most cards have a spending limit, but my purpose would be to pay for lodging, travel, etc.... anything less than 1k 01:51:34 <juggler> so from the sound of things, is Defcon not of interest, or is it worth researching further? 01:52:12 <masta> juggler, see if Fedora can get in cheap. 01:52:13 <juggler> hey Mark 01:52:20 <award3535> juggler, you can look into it, remember what decause said, bang for the buck 01:52:31 <juggler> masta: cheap is < $1,500 ? 01:52:43 <MarkDude> Hey juggler 01:52:50 <masta> juggler, just work on establishing the facts for now 01:52:54 <decause> defcon is summer time, yeah? 01:52:59 <decause> usually Julyish 01:53:15 <juggler> August this year, I believe 01:53:15 <award3535> and you need to look at cost of other things for ambassadors, shipping, attendance.... 01:53:27 <award3535> and where juggler 01:53:36 <masta> juggler, I'm keen to support a defcon presence 01:54:02 <juggler> also, I hear that there is no pre-reg and payment to get in is cash-only. provided they provide a receipt, is that a showstopper? 01:54:20 <juggler> potential showstopper i mean 01:54:34 <juggler> award: las vegas I think 01:54:54 <award3535> yes, prepay is a show stopper especially cash 01:54:54 <danofsatx> it's always in Vegas 01:54:54 <juggler> they say that about 20k ppl show for this 01:55:06 <masta> hum... cash only... that is kinda anti-audit trail... seems weird 01:55:26 <MarkDude> Fits the bill 01:55:31 <decause> masta: I'm glad to not give my credit card numbers to the blackhats ;) 01:55:35 <MarkDude> The no trail thing :D 01:55:36 <award3535> even though receipt is given, masta is right 01:55:43 <masta> I mean it fits for that event, but how do any sponsors get to that event in those circumstances 01:55:53 <juggler> *shrug* 01:56:02 <decause> DefCon is the kind of conference that I would buy a burner phone, and a throwaway laptop, and never bring my actual anything keys to 01:56:16 <decause> honestly, just a pad of paper really ;) 01:56:19 <danofsatx> decause++ 01:56:19 <zodbot> danofsatx: Karma for decause changed to 44 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 01:56:20 <award3535> we may want to steer away from this one 01:56:24 * decause has always wanted to go 01:56:28 <MarkDude> Its our presence there, and deliverable is more reports back, and learning that can be shared in our context. 01:56:29 <juggler> decause is a pad of paper safe? lol 01:56:37 <decause> juggler: mostly, I'm sure there's an exploit 01:57:11 <masta> I think it would be worth trying 01:57:28 <masta> I really think it would 01:57:38 <juggler> agree with Mark...finding out what the Defcon community's needs are for Fedora could be beneficial 01:57:42 <award3535> here is my point of view, does Fedora want to be associated with a bunch of Black hats? 01:57:46 <decause> masta: that does fit the bill of "places outside of our typical bubble" 01:57:49 <danofsatx> it would def be interesting. 01:57:51 <decause> find out how much 01:57:53 <MarkDude> Paper has exploits too, just sayin'. We gotta keep in touch with security issues, this is part of coin 01:58:02 <decause> we know some defcon organizer types 01:58:07 <decause> we can see if they'll do us a solid too 01:58:13 <decause> we'll see 01:58:18 <danofsatx> Kali Linux is quite prevalent. Our Security Spin is trying to compete with Kali. 01:58:21 <decause> the more info we're armed with, the better 01:58:22 <juggler> yeah, some organizers I know are ethical hackers 01:58:32 <juggler> or so they say ;) 01:58:33 * decause is *always* willing to at least ask 01:58:34 <masta> juggler, let me know if you need any help evangelizing this event for next meeting 01:58:57 <masta> juggler, would be great to have persuasive talking point to support it 01:59:01 <award3535> I think we should be careful with this one 01:59:10 <MarkDude> masta: +1 01:59:10 <masta> juggler, lets work on that in the next week 01:59:12 <juggler> masta if this gets off the ground, I may just ask you to be the event organizer :) 01:59:20 <decause> if you like crypto, here is something that is exciting for F24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_M0YEE-esA&feature=youtu.be&t=40 01:59:32 <MarkDude> With caution of course :) 01:59:37 <juggler> award3535 we always try to be. :) 01:59:41 <decause> I talked with nmccallum today, very interesting next level crypto things 01:59:48 <decause> clevis and tang 02:00:00 <decause> F24 is when it should land 02:00:04 <juggler> masta sounds good...thx 02:00:22 * decause has prolly gotta bounce shortly 02:00:26 <decause> you folks need anythign from me? 02:00:37 <masta> juggler, plz see me after the meeting, if you have time 02:00:40 <award3535> decause give me a call at work 02:00:47 <decause> award3535: ok, what time? 02:01:26 <award3535> I will be there in the morning from 0615 to about 1130, then I am out in the field (field tech) and that is eastern time 02:01:39 <MarkDude> +1 for freeing decause :D 02:01:41 <juggler> masta i gotta bounce to my next meeting, sorry. 02:01:51 <decause> award3535: kk, so, should I call around 10ish or so then? 02:01:56 <danofsatx> masta, juggler - take it to ambassadors? I'd like to chat too 02:02:02 <juggler> masta but i would like to meet up with you between now and next meet 02:02:10 <award3535> decause will look forward to hearing from you. 02:02:16 <decause> award3535: ok, adding to my calendar now 02:02:28 <decause> #action decause conf call with award3535 tomorrow at 10:00 02:02:44 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time, thanks for attending, another great meeting.... 02:02:45 <juggler> danofsatx i'll leave my chat open to receive your msgs 02:02:53 <juggler> thanks award for presiding. 02:03:01 <award3535> everyone have a great rest of the evening.... 02:03:02 <juggler> have a pleasant night everyone.. 02:03:08 <award3535> #endmeeting