01:59:07 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:59:07 Meeting started Fri Feb 3 01:59:07 2017 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:59:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:59:07 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:59:20 #meetingname FAmNA 01:59:20 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:59:32 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:59:40 .hello jbwillia 01:59:41 kk4ewt: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 01:59:50 #chair ParadoxGuitarist kk4ewt 01:59:50 Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 kk4ewt 01:59:59 evening kk4ewt 02:00:14 hello 02:00:14 hello all 02:00:22 #chair jsandys 02:00:22 Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 jsandys kk4ewt 02:00:26 hey Jeff 02:00:57 yes 02:03:00 #topic === Announcements === 02:03:41 FY17 is coming to an end, so the tickets during tonight's meeting either must go through or wait until FY18 02:05:38 does anyone else have any announcements 02:06:15 F25-20170202 updated live isos are available at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 02:07:09 thank you kk4ewt 02:07:16 anyone else? 02:07:55 ok moving on 02:07:58 #topic === Tickets === 02:08:30 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues 02:09:17 .famnaticket 165 02:09:18 award3535: Issue #165: Fedora embroidered keychains - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/165 02:09:57 I am aware we are out of order but I just spoke with nb, he should be online in a sec to discuss this ticket 02:10:46 Please review the ticket and lets discuss adding this to our swag 02:11:18 since we are looking for new things and ideas, this fits into those categories 02:11:43 i like it but i really want banners and new tablecloths first 02:12:02 kk4ewt we have enough left to get both 02:12:23 since both events for this month are cancelled 02:12:23 anyone have quotes on the tablecloths? 02:12:43 $5 each seems high for a small swag item, USB sticks are cheaper? 02:12:49 Question, USB keys are around the same price as these keychains, how many were we thinking about getting? 02:13:02 I do not bill will see what I can do kk4ewt 02:13:03 jsandys, nope usb $8-10 02:13:10 k 02:13:14 kk4ewt: we've discussed this in length 02:13:29 kk4ewt: we've found then for less than $4 02:13:34 branded? 02:13:38 For the last two years 02:13:40 yes printed 02:13:51 where is the quotes 02:15:04 the issue I believe was quantity required to get the price down to below 4 02:15:57 I would be willing to discuss this for FY18 as well 02:16:11 I can find it, but may take a few minutes 02:16:36 hi 02:16:39 .ping 02:16:39 pong 02:16:41 PG remember we need a hard quote, not just a web page 02:16:49 I can't get on my ZNC right now, so i can't see scrollback 02:16:54 nb we are on your ticket 02:17:00 ok 02:17:10 throw your pitch 02:17:32 Keychains. They look very nice. I also just got a sample with black background and white letters, and he can do either black or white border 02:17:48 $5 for <100, $4 for 100-199, $3.75 for 200+ 02:17:56 award3535: we've had it in other tickets but it got voted down 02:17:59 i don't have the 3.75 in the ticket because i just got that info 02:18:18 award3535, do we have budget for keychains and banner and tablecloths? 02:18:39 * nebebout would like to see us get 200 keychains since theres an additional price break for that amount 02:19:19 $750 for 200 keychains, and he can do whichever color choices we want, or a mix 02:19:26 nebebout we do, I have about 5K left since the two events this month are cancelled 02:19:57 I'd rather spend the money on USB drives, but I wouldn't block this 02:21:27 PG, I would like to consider these for FY18, and let the west, mid, and east leaders decide on how they want to use them 02:22:05 +1 02:22:49 +1 02:23:22 _1 02:23:25 +1 02:23:27 nb just called me, he lost connection so we will have to push the ticket for later 02:23:35 ok 02:23:56 so USB in FY18 02:24:39 #agreed FAmNA will look into getting usb drives and award3535 will create a ticket 02:24:58 .famnaticket 168 02:24:59 award3535: Issue #168: Vertical Banners - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/168 02:25:06 kk4ewt your up 02:25:55 no idea where people are coming up with the total amounts but the old banners will run 700 a set so that would be 1400 total 02:26:18 now is that one set of two or two sets of two 02:26:30 if we go with the new designs it would be $700 for 2 (east and west) 02:26:44 new design is a single banner 02:27:24 if we go for the nonretractable one its 200 each 02:27:58 well, ok, then definitely +1 for retractable sets one set of two for east, and one set of two for west 02:28:21 so 400 total 02:28:22 +1 02:28:24 set = old design? 02:28:40 I personally like the new design 02:28:52 +1 for new 02:29:06 look at the ticket jsandy i posted old and new designs old design is the 4 foundations 02:30:09 II like the old design, it gives you more to talk about with a guest 02:30:26 https://duffy.fedorapeople.org/fedora-banner/banner.pdf 02:30:48 +1 new banners 02:31:08 jsandys, i think we all agree we need new banners 02:31:40 yes, and one is nice for small 5' tables 02:31:42 kk4ewt, jsandys, PG, I am sure nb would vote for new as well 02:31:56 ok now the non retractable banners can easily change the banners in the future 02:32:12 the retractable ones we cannot 02:32:32 cons with non retractable, damage easily 02:32:43 pro, banner change out 02:33:03 and its just the opposite with the retractable 02:33:35 and the retractable has given us a good life span 02:33:49 about 5 years + 02:33:53 +1 for new, and retractable 02:34:21 link to the nonretract 02:34:45 +1 retractable 02:34:52 +1 for new retractable 02:34:59 http://www.advatumdisplays.com/lite-850-banner-stand/ 02:35:40 kk4ewt you are left to vote 02:36:52 i am like the old design but i dont think its $700 of additional value 02:37:15 +1 new retractable 02:37:57 #agreed New style banner retractable to be ordered 02:38:21 i will contact mizmo to get the graphics redo 02:38:37 #action kk4ewt to get final price from company to bexelbie for PO 02:38:42 Can we do SCaLE next? I have to leave right after that. 02:38:51 so do we want 30 inch or or 36" 02:39:12 36 02:39:18 30" might actually fit in an event box 02:39:25 or is that tall? 02:39:28 nope 02:39:44 well if it doesn't then 36" 02:40:06 24 wouldnt fit in the event box 02:40:17 ok ParadoxGuitarist moving to your ticket 02:40:23 .famnaticket 166 02:40:24 award3535: Issue #166: Fedora Event: SCaLE 15x - Pasadena, CA - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/166 02:40:26 hi 02:40:30 vote for 36 please 02:40:33 * nebebout should be here for the rest of the meeting 02:40:44 +1 36 02:40:47 +1 36 02:40:55 +1 36 02:41:00 +1 36 02:41:01 what are we voting? 02:41:13 banners 30 or 36 inch 02:41:13 banners new retractable size 02:41:18 +1 36 02:41:32 #agreed to 36 inch banner size 02:41:47 ParadoxGuitarist go 02:42:17 .ping 02:42:17 pong 02:42:19 i didn't get a chance to add my travel to it yet 02:42:33 airfare would be about $500, plus same hotel as the others, approx 02:42:44 Basically, we should only get 1 room and have and have nb and alejandro share 02:43:09 We need Alejandro there because he's a native spanish speaker 02:43:32 ParadoxGuitarist, i thoguht we have 3 people who were needing a hotel room? 02:43:36 juggler too isn't it? 02:43:44 we've paid for him to go for the last several years and he's worth what we get from him 02:44:08 I saw that Scott and lajuggler were requesting rooms 02:44:30 they were? juggler i thought said scott wasn't? 02:44:32 * nebebout looks 02:44:34 vwbusguy lives about a mile from me and la juggler is closer to the event than I am. 02:44:43 this is according to the wiki 02:44:55 oh, i stand corrected 02:45:07 vwbusguy is asking for hotel i guess 02:45:10 either way I'm in favor of paying for travel costs and a room 02:45:16 * nebebout is confused 02:45:28 ParadoxGuitarist, so who all is needing hotel? 02:45:31 nebebout, stay on one account please 02:45:36 oops sorry 02:45:41 ok 02:45:49 * nb forgot i still had my direct connection open, sorry 02:45:55 you and alejandro NEED a room 02:45:59 ParadoxGuitarist, yes 02:46:05 here is my concern, the event should stay under 3K 02:46:33 We have no other real costs other than travel and housing 02:46:38 link the event page 02:47:04 jugger also requested event passes at $75 each 02:47:14 those are un-needed 02:47:17 award3535, we also could potentially get some of the expenses like airfare into FY2017 if we have surplus 02:47:18 we get them with the booth 02:47:22 which is free 02:48:00 oh good 02:48:05 Basically, we should only get 1 room and have and ambassadors share if they want one. 02:48:16 ParadoxGuitarist, but 1 room only holds 2 people...... 02:48:17 nb that may be possible 02:48:30 if we have 3-4 wanting housing, we need 2 rooms 02:48:39 I think we only have 3 02:48:50 I think vwbusguy doesn't need one 02:49:00 unless we want to get one for him and his family 02:49:08 ParadoxGuitarist, that's what i thought from what juggler said 02:49:21 juggler wanted hotel, and acosta and i do 02:49:37 I am not 100% sure that I can go, but I think it looks like i will be able to 02:49:43 * nb proposes budget of $2500 02:49:52 juggler only lives a few miles away, but we could always request a cot in the room 02:49:54 that should cover adding 1 mroe room if needed, plus the approx 500 for my plane ticket 02:50:00 ParadoxGuitarist, oh, then he doesn't need hotel....... 02:50:22 the updated wiki only shows 1 room 02:50:22 it's a pain with traffic, but I don't think he does 02:50:28 less than 15 miles 02:50:30 * nb revises proposal to 2000, but we can revisit it if another hotel room is needed 02:50:33 he's in the valley 02:50:42 +1 2000 02:50:44 ParadoxGuitarist, ok, yeah, 15 miles is not far at all 02:50:56 +1 2500 02:50:58 the initial page had the budget at 4400 02:51:04 award3535, it has been revised 02:51:11 but 2.5K is better 02:51:14 nb: scott and I are around 16 miles 02:51:25 +1 2500k 02:51:33 +1 for $2500 just in case 02:51:37 +1 for 2500 02:51:40 I'll talk with Perry about the rooms 02:51:44 ParadoxGuitarist, ok 02:51:50 +1 2500 not 2500K 02:51:52 yes need to get reservations 02:52:02 kk4ewt: good catch 02:52:04 ;) 02:52:31 :) 02:52:38 #agreed $2,500.00 for Scale 15x 02:52:48 I added my flight to the wiki just now 02:52:48 thanks everyone 02:53:04 and hopefully you can come in under budget 02:53:07 can we go back to my ticket for the keychains? 02:53:15 on tablecloths 2 is enough 02:53:20 I just added a pic of the black sample to the pagure ticket 02:53:27 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/165 02:53:33 .famnaticket 165 02:53:33 I'll email acosta that we've approved his ticket 02:53:34 award3535: Issue #165: Fedora embroidered keychains - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/165 02:53:38 I think my favorite is the black background with black border and white letters 02:53:42 revisiting ticket 02:53:42 thanks everyone 02:53:47 black is less likely to get dirty than white background 02:54:18 and i noted in the ticket the addition to the quote, where he said that he could go $3.75 if we ordered 200 02:55:11 ParadoxGuitarist if you need to leave the meeting I would request you make a vote on the keychains 02:55:11 has the design been approved by design 02:55:23 since we have extra budget, we could try to order just under 1000 worth 02:55:33 kk4ewt, no need, it's not a custom design, it's the stock logo 02:55:37 +1 02:55:43 whatever you guys want to do 02:56:00 nb i am not seeing the trademark 02:56:17 it's the exact same as fedora_logotype_darkbackground.svg 02:56:29 trademark wouldn't be able to be embroidered that small..... 02:56:53 get mizmo to sign off on it so we dont get in trouble 02:57:14 kk4ewt, i'll talk to her or spot 02:57:29 +1 after approval, I agree, we must be careful 02:57:45 award3535, you said we had plenty of budget, right? 02:57:46 +1 02:57:48 +1 for 200 of them 02:57:52 nb if they say yes then forward that to me 02:57:59 * nb proposes 250 which would be about 930+tax 02:58:00 via email 02:58:10 ok i will go for that 02:58:10 or 200 would be fine also 02:58:26 +1 250 02:58:27 nb we do have the money left from FY17 02:58:41 +1 for 200 02:58:57 ruth or spot may have a vendor for the tablecloths 02:59:09 award3535, 200 or 250? /me was proposing maybe 250 for approx $930 i forgot the exact number 02:59:13 i am hoping the price has come down 02:59:16 but 200 is ok if you would rather just get 200 02:59:17 Can you get it in navy instead of black? 02:59:27 mizmo, probably. 02:59:39 evening mizmo, glad you could join us 02:59:41 mizmo, i think he can order whatever color we want 02:59:56 The black and white isn't super fedora is all we're very blue :-) 03:00:07 mizmo, is it ok to not have the (R) on there, since it would be too small to embroider well? 03:00:14 I think the dark fedora blue is best 03:00:39 They cant print the R? 03:00:45 mizmo, they are embroidered not printed 03:00:59 I can make a version of the file with a bigger R if it helps? 03:01:12 I think its pretty small in the svg 03:01:27 I dont think we can drop the R 03:01:50 Actually we dont have R we have TM 03:01:55 Fedora isnt registered 03:02:27 kk4ewt, award3535 can we approve ordering them, subject to me coordinating with mizmo/spot 03:02:36 motion for tablecloths? 03:02:46 Is it ok for me.to ask why embroidered 03:03:02 mizmo, sure 03:03:25 jsandys we need the vendor before we can make any decisions 03:03:37 k 03:03:37 mizmo, I had a coworker of mine from USI who runs an embroidery business talking to me about stuff he could make and he wanted to make me a sample for me to see if we liked it 03:04:01 mizmo, thank you for your support 03:04:14 Ah ok. $4/unit seems really high, for a key chain, embroidery i think is better suited for apparel you know? 03:04:15 I am looking for experts in the Security spin like maxamillion for LFNW, any help? Most of the spin owners are in Germany. 03:04:21 Can he do... patches? 03:04:29 Cuz fedora logo patches would be sweet 03:04:41 mizmo, yes. he made me a sample of them and i showed them to mattdm and a few people at LISA 03:04:46 * nb needs to find where they went 03:04:51 jsandys, linuxmodder and award3535 are good people for that 03:05:01 Honestly i think patches would be a better value 03:05:01 mizmo, he made them with fedora_logo_vertical.svg on it 03:05:40 * nb wonders if i could get an order together for them before it was too late for this FY 03:05:47 Custom key chains are like $0.50/unit when ive priced them before and like you said they get dirty 03:06:10 Oh that would be nice the vertical one. Would be good for a bookbag 03:06:30 yeah 03:06:40 And theyd be nice to have on hand if we wanted nice prizes for giveaways or somethong.... its cheaper to buy a nice laptop bag or jacket and put the patch on 03:06:48 Rather than custom order 03:07:06 Ok sorry didnt mean to push you into a tangent 03:07:12 mizmo, I can definately try to get some patches. I'm not sure what the deadline that we would have to pay them to get it pushed through this year would be 03:07:29 i forgot what he told me price would be for patches 03:07:31 Award3535 hope its helpful 03:07:57 Red hats fiscsl years turns over march 1 i thought 03:08:04 * danofsatx is here 03:08:21 mizmo, yes its always good to have others with experience in other areas to help, greatly appreciated 03:08:33 #chair danofsatx 03:08:33 Current chairs: ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx jsandys kk4ewt 03:08:49 danofsatx meeting is running over 03:08:53 award3535, kk4ewt jsandys danofsatx thoughts? approve keychains subject to design approval? or try to get patches this year still? 03:08:55 one sec 03:09:08 I apologize for my tardiness....I had an eye thing today that sent me to the ER 03:09:55 I just called him. he said patches were about $3.50 03:10:02 mizmo, ^ 03:10:16 for i think it was 3"x3" patch 03:10:42 * nb doesn't have the sample in front of me 03:11:21 Nb that is a good price 03:11:49 i would love to see a sample 03:11:55 Thats a really good price imho 03:12:12 Yeh a sample photo would be good 03:12:24 maybe we should split the order to 100 keychains and 150 patches 03:12:39 Danofsatx hope you are ok 03:12:45 award3535, I think i like that 03:13:10 keychains with Fedora Dark Blue background (or approximately that color) 03:13:22 +1 for 100 key chains and 150 patches 03:13:23 and patches are fedora_vertical.svg logo, on white background, with Fedora Blue border 03:13:51 blue background with silver border 03:14:13 so you are wanting fedora_vertical_darkbackground.svg with silver border? on dark blue background? 03:14:17 for the patches? 03:14:24 kk4ewt, or you are talking about keychains? 03:14:30 both 03:14:36 nb if we approve this I will need a hard quote on paper/electronically 03:14:53 award3535, I have a quote for keychains on the pagure ticket 03:14:58 but i can get a quote with the patches 03:15:04 ok just a sec 03:15:07 Nb the darkbg one on black w no border would make it look slick on a black bag 03:15:28 Keychains, fedora_logotype_darkbackground.svg on Fedora Dark Blue, with silver border 03:15:42 Patchs, fedora_vertical_darkbackground.svg on black, with black border? 03:15:46 go with mizmo recommendation 03:15:51 mizmo, how does that sound? 03:16:14 and I will talk to design/legal about the TM and will talk to vendor to see if they can get that 03:16:28 of course, we won't order anything without approval of design/legal 03:16:50 nb this will have to happen fast, like before the 20th 03:17:09 award3535, that should be fine 03:17:14 that still gives us over 2 weeks to get it together 03:17:20 Nb +1 03:17:35 +1 mizmo recommendation 03:17:44 mizmo, did you get my pm 03:17:57 +1 also from ParadoxGuitarist 03:18:37 award3535, kk4ewt your votes? 03:18:42 +1 from me 03:18:53 nb we voted before 03:18:58 #agreed ticket 165 100 keychains and 150 patches 03:18:59 same money 03:19:12 * nb will try to find patches sample when I get home in a little while and put photo on pagure, in case people want to see 03:20:03 ok, looks like we have some things to take care of 03:20:26 we have to give up the channel now 03:20:50 mizmo again thank you for your help 03:20:55 mizmo++ 03:20:55 nb: Karma for duffy changed to 12 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 03:21:25 award3535, i need to get bex to pay for it since it's after the deadline he made for you to use your card, right? 03:21:51 mizmo now we need https://duffy.fedorapeople.org/fedora-banner/banner.pdf resized for 35½″ × 77½″ please 03:22:28 nb not true, I was asked to try and finalize but since the two events I think I can convince him to let me get this done 03:22:44 award3535, oh ok 03:23:04 award3535, I will talk to vendor tomorrow 03:23:07 * nb afk 03:23:20 thank you all for comming, next meeting is 9 Feb at 2100 03:23:29 award3535, it wouldnt surprise me if tablecloths are as much as $600 each 03:24:06 yeah that is what I figured as well, but I will email both spot and ruth in the morning 03:25:05 along with bex letting him know that I need to cover costs for flights and swag 03:25:43 I will be on the ambassadors channel for about 15 more minuts 03:25:53 #endmeeting