00:59:50 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 00:59:50 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jun 30 00:59:50 2017 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:50 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 00:59:50 <nb> jwf 00:59:53 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 00:59:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:00:07 <nb> .hello nb 01:00:08 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone> 01:00:10 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:00:19 <award3535> #chair nd 01:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 nd 01:00:25 <award3535> #chair nb 01:00:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 nb nd 01:00:48 <award3535> evening nb 01:00:54 <nb> hi 01:00:58 <award3535> #chair -nd 01:00:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: -nd award3535 nb nd 01:01:04 <nb> #help 01:01:09 <nb> #delchair nd 01:01:14 <nb> #rmchair nb 01:01:19 <nb> oops 01:01:30 <award3535> #chair nb 01:01:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: -nd award3535 nb nd 01:01:39 <award3535> #delchair nd 01:01:58 <award3535> #delchair -nd 01:01:59 <nb> #unchair -nd 01:01:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 nb nd 01:02:02 <nb> #unchair nd 01:02:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 nb 01:02:12 <nb> kk4ewt, ping 01:02:12 <zodbot> nb: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 01:02:16 <cydrobolt> o/ 01:02:24 <award3535> #chair cydrobolt 01:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt nb 01:02:33 <award3535> evening cydrobolt 01:02:39 <cydrobolt> evening 01:02:50 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:03:04 <nb> how many is a quorum 01:03:25 <award3535> #info ambassadors need to read the FAmSCO logs 01:04:05 <award3535> nb five I believe is the number 01:04:23 <award3535> any other announcements 01:05:47 <award3535> cydrobolt did you get a chance to read the tickets that are out there now 01:06:03 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:06:18 <award3535> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues 01:06:41 <cydrobolt> award3535, yeah 01:06:49 <award3535> I am going to start from the top 01:06:55 <award3535> .famnaticket 180 01:06:56 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #180: Proposal to bi-weekly meetings for FAmNA during summer months - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/180 01:07:35 * nb wishes we could find 2 more ambassadors 01:07:39 <award3535> I would like to move to bi weekly meetings on the 2nd and 4th thursday of each month 01:08:06 <award3535> nb, you need to read the other comments on your ticket 01:08:24 <nb> hmm 01:08:29 * nb thought markdude was going to come tonight 01:08:50 <award3535> cydrobolt, nb what do you think about bi weekly meetings 01:08:57 <nb> award3535, +1 01:09:07 <award3535> nb, I would like to get through the east tickets first 01:09:13 <award3535> +1 from me 01:09:46 <award3535> there was also a +1 from ParadoxGuitarist on the ticket 01:10:08 <cydrobolt> award3535, +1 from me 01:10:31 <nb> actually i am kind of +0, I don't really care if they are weekly or biweekly 01:11:10 <award3535> #agreed Bi Weekly meetings for FAmNA, award3535 to send reminders via the mailing list 01:11:18 <nb> award3535, does that need a quorum or no? 01:11:39 * nb guesses not since it isn't spending money or anything 01:11:51 <award3535> this one does not since it doesnt effect budget or personnel 01:12:18 <nb> ok 01:12:23 <award3535> .famnaticket 179 01:12:24 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #179: Ohio Linux Fest Budget request - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/179 01:13:24 <award3535> I am requesting a budget of 2.5K (same as last year) 01:13:42 <award3535> wiki page created 01:14:14 <nb> +1 01:14:22 <award3535> cydrobolt? 01:15:03 <award3535> PG already +1 in the ticket, and since kk4ewt is also going to the event +1 from him 01:15:58 * masta looks in 01:16:08 <award3535> #chair masta 01:16:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt masta nb 01:16:14 <nb> hi masta 01:16:22 <masta> hey nb 01:16:32 <award3535> evening masta we need another vote for OLF budget 01:16:45 <cydrobolt> award3535, +1 from me too 01:16:56 * masta looks at OLF (one moment) 01:18:14 <masta> reviewed 01:18:20 <masta> OLF +1 01:18:51 <award3535> #agreed $2,500.00 for Ohio Linux Fest Budget 01:19:12 <award3535> #action award3535 to update ticket 01:19:19 <award3535> .famnaticket 178 01:19:21 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #178: Remove markdude as a mentor. - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/178 01:19:37 <nb> kk4ewt, ping 01:19:37 <zodbot> nb: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 01:19:56 <award3535> please take a moment to read the entries in the ticket 01:20:11 <nb> 1. MarkDude disappears at random times for several months at a time 01:20:35 <nb> 2. MarkDude does not keep himself up to date on the goings-on in Fedora and in Fedora Ambassadors, he didn't even know that we moved to pagure, and didn't know where to find famna logs 01:20:51 <nb> 3. He does not sufficiently mentor his mentees. 01:21:17 <nb> 4. He provides his mentees false information. He told Striker that funding was approved for him to come to SELF2016, when no one had even talked to the event owner or the NA treasurer. 01:21:51 <nb> 5. He did not answer any of giannisk's emails asking if he was still active as a mentor, he only responded after I emailed him asking if he would ever become active 01:22:17 <nb> 6. He sends emails to the mailing list that do not appear to exemplify how an ambassador, or especially an ambassador mentor should act 01:23:21 <nb> I talked to Striker on Facebook and he is +1 to removing markdude but he could not come to the meeting, and did not know about this in time to vote in pagure 01:23:52 <masta> hear say, but noted 01:24:13 <masta> nb, thank you for those six points of consideration 01:25:01 <award3535> masta, the only involvement in FAmNA in the past 36 months was one meeting, no events, and no proof of who he was mentoring 01:25:15 <masta> I'm afraid I'll have to provide a +1 in the affirmative, to demote markdude from ambassadors mentor 01:26:18 <award3535> I have a concern that is the same from ParadoxGuitarist, we need to give markdude the opportunity to respond to this ticket 01:26:48 <award3535> because that is who we are, and we need to be fair about it 01:26:56 <nb> award3535, can we temporarily suspend him? 01:27:03 <nb> pending the final decision? 01:28:05 <nb> I wouldn't put it past him to shove through his current mentees that he says he has before we can remove him 01:28:15 <award3535> I dont think we need to because he has no tickets in for those individuals that he is mentoring, no visibility with the same, I dont think he knows where to look and find things 01:28:33 <masta> I believe I read that markdude is not an active mentor, so perhaps there is no immediate impact, and to allow him the chance to react? 01:28:48 <nb> masta, he says he is currently mentoring some people 01:28:52 <nb> is what he posted on the amb list 01:28:56 <nb> but he does appear to be inactive 01:29:15 * nb moves that we have a meeting next week, and markdude must reply before the meeting next week 01:29:34 <award3535> again, no tickets, no process, no new ambassadors 01:29:36 <nb> my motion is notwithstanding our earlier decision to have meetings biweekly 01:30:34 <masta> for what it's worth, what I wrote above stands... my vote would be to demote Markdude as mentor next week. However, I'm totally fine to delay the decision process. 01:30:57 <nb> masta, i am not really in favor of waiting, but it seems like that might be the right thing to do 01:31:07 <nb> to give him a chance to respond, although i don't think that will change the final result 01:31:07 <award3535> nb I think we should give him until the 13th of July for final determination 01:31:26 * nb thinks 1 week is enough time 01:32:12 <nb> cydrobolt, masta thoughts? 1 week or 2? 01:32:16 <award3535> nb, I agree, it is the right thing to do, but we need to come up with a final determination date I am ok with either one week or 2 01:32:24 <cydrobolt> I am also okay with either 01:32:27 * nb suggests 1 week 01:32:39 <dgilmore> nb you wanted me for something in the meeting? 01:32:40 <masta> +1 one week. 01:32:42 <nb> if he cares to respond, surely he can find time within 1 week, plus i really doubt his response will change our mind 01:32:52 <nb> dgilmore, /me was just pinging all the ambsaddadors from NA that I know 01:33:09 <award3535> +1 for one week 01:33:30 <nb> dgilmore, we are currently discussing https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/178 if you want to vote on that 01:33:41 <award3535> cydrobolt? 01:33:49 <cydrobolt> I'm okay with one week 01:34:31 <nb> award3535, I did email markdude earlier today to ask him if he would consider stepping down instead of being removed 01:36:24 <award3535> #agreed for 1 week for final determination, the vote currently holds 5 with 3 undecided I will hold a meeting on 6 july to discuss this ticket 01:37:00 <award3535> nb, I need to call you when the meeting is over, have a quick topic to discuss 01:37:18 <dgilmore> nb: only comment is that he should have been tagged into the issue, but seems a reasonable thing to do given the data in the issue 01:37:47 <award3535> #agreed to allow markdude to respond prior to next meeting 01:38:19 <nb> award3535, ok 01:38:26 <award3535> dgilmore, he is part of the distribution group on the pagure and will get any thing posted on the ticket, so he already should know 01:38:32 <nb> dgilmore, feel free to comment on the ticket if you would like 01:38:49 <dgilmore> nb: I did :) 01:38:53 <nb> award3535, he does already know, he came on irc right after the ticket was filed and was asking about our meeting tonight, but then didn't get here i guess 01:38:57 <nb> dgilmore, oh ok, thanks 01:39:21 <award3535> #chair dgilmore 01:39:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 cydrobolt dgilmore masta nb 01:40:27 <award3535> moving on to open floor 01:40:41 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:43:18 <award3535> Does anyone have anything on their mind 01:43:57 <masta> mmm... nothing here 01:44:29 * nb has nothing 01:44:30 <dgilmore> nada 01:44:32 <award3535> I saw a new incentive from the FAmSCO meeting called Mindshare 01:44:56 * dgilmore is a terrible ambassador 01:45:36 <award3535> they were discussing an impact on ambassadors, I dont know what that means, but I have a feeling things are going to change again 01:45:53 <nb> Oh 01:45:59 * nb has something 01:46:04 <award3535> nb go 01:46:19 <nb> I think we should have pingou change owner of the ambassadors-na/tasks and ambassadors-na/requests repos to award3535 01:46:39 <nb> that way private tickets will work properly and can be restricted to just the 3 regional leaders 01:46:43 <nb> right now we can't remove jwf 01:46:51 <nb> jwf has said he is fine with this change 01:47:01 <nb> since he created it, we can't remove him, pingou has to make the change in the DB 01:47:16 <dgilmore> +1 01:47:24 <award3535> that was some time ago, and jwf has been out of the country 01:47:25 <nb> +1 01:47:29 <award3535> +1 01:48:14 <award3535> nb do you have any info on Mindshare incentive they are discussing 01:48:27 * nb does not 01:48:32 * nb hopes to go to that session at Flock 01:48:38 <nb> well, /me hopes to *go* to flock 01:48:42 <nb> but that is contingent on flock paying 01:49:11 <award3535> I am thinking about going, but may not fit in my schedule 01:49:46 * dgilmore will be at flock 01:50:32 * nb is going to be leading a session called Fedora Ambassadors: The Future 01:50:39 <nb> well, co-leading along with jonatoni 01:51:39 <nb> shall we adjourn? 01:51:59 <award3535> I think so nb, I will call you as soon as well close 01:52:34 <award3535> everyone have a good rest of you evening..... 01:52:36 <award3535> #endmeeting