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16:00:35 <tuanta> #meetingname FAmSCo-20141014
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16:00:43 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
16:00:48 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
16:00:49 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
16:01:14 <tuanta> ping robyduck lbazan
16:01:46 <tuanta> anyone here for FAmSCo meeting?
16:03:23 <lbazan> .fas lbazan
16:03:24 <zodbot> lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
16:03:38 <tuanta> #info topic: FUDCon APAC 2015
16:03:52 <tuanta> hi lbazan
16:03:58 <lbazan> tuanta: hi
16:04:00 <lbazan> :-)
16:04:02 <tuanta> #chair lbazan
16:04:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: lbazan tuanta
16:04:12 <tuanta> lbazan, just you and me today?
16:04:37 <lbazan> seem
16:04:45 <lbazan> :(
16:04:55 <tuanta> we will wait for a few minutes to see if other come
16:05:00 <lbazan> tuanta: ok
16:06:14 <lbazan> tuanta: you have selected the bid for the 2015?
16:06:16 <lbazan> yn1v: ping
16:06:24 <yn1v> I have to write a check, then will be full attention on the meeting
16:06:48 <tuanta> lbazan, no. we are preparing
16:06:57 <lbazan> tuanta: ok
16:06:58 <tuanta> yn1v: ok
16:06:59 <lbazan> yn1v: ok
16:07:41 <lbazan> tuanta: cwickert sent regrets
16:07:45 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:07:46 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:07:47 <lbazan> and ...
16:07:49 <lbazan> only
16:07:55 <tuanta> #chair robyduck yn1v
16:07:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: lbazan robyduck tuanta yn1v
16:08:12 <lbazan> tuanta: ready have quorum
16:08:14 <lbazan> .-)
16:08:33 <tuanta> #topic FUDCon APAC 2015
16:08:44 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2014-October/001605.html
16:09:06 <tuanta> I sent this message to FAmSCo list, but no response yet
16:09:39 <tuanta> I would like to see what would start the FUDCon bidding process?
16:11:03 <tuanta> I know most of you have this experience before. Could you tell me more?
16:11:15 <lbazan> tuanta: its the same process http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_bid_process
16:11:29 <tuanta> yes, I read it
16:11:44 <lbazan> tuanta: how is the owner of the events owners? two or more I think is not a problem
16:11:56 <tuanta> but as I mentioned in my message, I am still not sure
16:12:49 <tuanta> lbazan, I don't understand what you meant in "the owner of event owners"?
16:13:01 * yn1v is full atention now on the meeting
16:13:31 <tuanta> please see my question in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2014-October/001605.html
16:14:02 <tuanta> it is quite straight. who would start the FUDCon bidding process?
16:14:22 <tuanta> regional leaders?
16:14:32 <tuanta> or FPL? or...?
16:14:58 <tuanta> yn1v, you are organizing FUDCon Managua, could you tell me this?
16:15:30 <tuanta> and do I need to contact to FPL/budget-owner to ask for fund before call for bidding...
16:15:31 <lbazan> tuanta: you need to send the bids to fpl with the results of the regional vote for them to give their +1
16:15:38 <robyduck> tuanta: I wouldn't see it too schematic, if you have bids you should make them official and in the meanwhile contact the FPL to make the process start
16:15:41 <yn1v> What happened for LATAM was that LATAM preselected one bid, then asked to famsco for review
16:15:49 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:16:00 <yn1v> the selection, just as a safe check
16:16:14 <lbazan> yn1v: and them fpl give +1
16:16:15 <lbazan> ?
16:16:16 <yn1v> and with that it was presented to the FPL
16:16:32 <tuanta> so I can call for bidding at anytime?
16:16:50 <tuanta> then when I have the final winner, I will give them to FPL?
16:16:50 <yn1v> the issue with LATAM FUDCon was that there was no response for some time about the issue
16:17:26 <yn1v> tuanta, I think you as part of famsco can call for bids
16:17:50 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:17:51 <yn1v> APAC select and pass it to famsco to check that everything was in order
16:17:52 <tuanta> yn1v, that's what i expected. I will do that. thanks
16:18:29 <tuanta> which list should I send the call to?
16:18:31 <yn1v> then about money you have to work the budget with OSAS (Ruth)
16:18:34 <tuanta> fudcon-planning?
16:19:02 <lbazan> tuanta: yes and ambassadors
16:19:16 <yn1v> I think that it should sent to ambassadors and, if there is an APAC ambassadors, to that list too.
16:19:48 <tuanta> so: 1. I will send a call for bidding; 2. do voting in APAC; 3. get approval by FAmSCo and FPL; 4. ask for fund from Ruth
16:20:00 <tuanta> is that correct?
16:20:02 <lbazan> tuanta: +1
16:20:05 <yn1v> yes
16:20:14 <tuanta> thanks. make sense now :)
16:20:48 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send a call for FUDCon APAC 2015 bidding
16:20:49 <lbazan> next topic? :-)
16:20:56 <lbazan> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/372
16:20:59 <tuanta> yes,
16:20:59 <yn1v> take into account that probably will be beter to do a pre check of bids to help people get all things straight before selecting the winner bid
16:21:14 <tuanta> +1 yn1v
16:21:22 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:21:46 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #372
16:21:55 <tuanta> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/372
16:22:10 <lbazan> nop
16:22:12 <lbazan> tuanta: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/368
16:22:13 <lbazan> sorry
16:22:18 <lbazan> mentor in NA
16:22:28 <tuanta> #undo
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16:22:40 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #368
16:22:53 <tuanta> .famsco https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/368
16:22:53 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/368
16:23:06 <lbazan> the people in fama list say +1
16:23:08 <tuanta> #undo
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16:23:12 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #368
16:23:19 <tuanta> .famsco 368
16:23:22 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/368
16:23:23 <tuanta> sorry
16:23:28 <tuanta> that is correct now
16:23:32 <robyduck> we have a lot of +1 here and I would go straightforward
16:24:04 <robyduck> +1 for me
16:24:08 <lbazan> and for me +1
16:24:21 <tuanta> yes, I think that's enough
16:25:31 <yn1v> I am looking the mailing list
16:26:28 <yn1v> okey, +1
16:26:49 <tuanta> +1 from me too (for recording)
16:27:13 <tuanta> #agreed FAmSCo approved the ticket #368
16:27:34 <robyduck> tuanta: your turn to do the administrative stuff now ;)
16:27:36 <tuanta> robyduck, can you make changes onto that ticket?
16:27:43 <robyduck> Yes I can do
16:27:48 <tuanta> yes, I will
16:28:08 <tuanta> #action robyduck to make changes onto the ticket #368
16:28:48 <tuanta> #action tuanta to do administrative tasks for ticket #368
16:28:59 <tuanta> that's all
16:29:02 <tuanta> next topic?
16:29:09 <lbazan> new ticket https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/372
16:29:26 <lbazan> new nominate in UK
16:29:36 <tuanta> #topic Ticket #372
16:29:42 <tuanta> .famsco 372
16:29:42 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/372
16:29:48 <robyduck> we should wait for next week with that
16:29:56 <robyduck> it's already in ML
16:30:06 <lbazan> robyduck: ok
16:30:09 <tuanta> +1 robyduck
16:30:23 <lbazan> +1
16:30:37 <lbazan> tuanta: next topic
16:30:50 <tuanta> anything come up?
16:30:55 <lbazan> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/371
16:31:16 <lbazan> representative council
16:31:21 <tuanta> ah, yes. a big one :)
16:31:27 <lbazan> tuanta: :-)
16:31:34 <yn1v> hot potato
16:31:44 <tuanta> #topic Outreach Representiatve for the new Fedora Council
16:31:52 <tuanta> .famsco 371
16:31:52 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/371
16:32:51 <yn1v> I think we stuck at fpl comment. does anybody took action in asking in other parallel list?
16:32:53 <tuanta> I think first, we should discuss how to nominate someone or help/encourage people to do self-nominated
16:33:15 <tuanta> yn1v, I think no one does it now
16:33:36 <yn1v> like marketing, design ... what else we should involve?
16:34:02 <robyduck> best candidate for me is cwickert, I agree with inode0 here. But any ambassador who is willing to nominate himself should be able to do so.
16:34:38 <tuanta> +1 robyduck. his name is the first one some up to me
16:34:46 <tuanta> s/some/come
16:34:53 <yn1v> I think ambassadors do a lot of ground work, but not all have a big picture view
16:34:57 <robyduck> so it may be the best to start bringing this topic to the regional meetings first, IMHO
16:35:25 <lbazan> robyduck: +1
16:36:00 <yn1v> if I were asked to take that, I will a bit afraid of been representative for other people beyond ambassadors
16:36:02 <tuanta> that's fine. in fact, I did that last week. but I will raise it higher net meeting
16:36:45 <yn1v> I can do tomorrow in LATAM meeting
16:37:11 <yn1v> But my question remains, how we address this beyond ambassadors?
16:37:11 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:37:31 <tuanta> marketing team has IRC meetings, but design team has not
16:37:33 <robyduck> but we should also define a nominating process (ticket?) to manage it easily
16:38:08 <tuanta> +1 robyduck. that's why I said we should discuss it first
16:38:36 <yn1v> yeap, what are that role requirements?
16:39:15 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council#Representatives
16:39:26 <robyduck> thx tuanta
16:39:32 <yn1v> I only see one requirement, how has the bigger reach over different teams
16:39:43 <yn1v> s/how/who
16:40:20 <yn1v> how do we measure the reach capacity of one individual?
16:41:49 <robyduck> well it's an important position, and it requires to dedicate some time
16:42:07 <yn1v> so, the wiki page can be summarized in engeniering preparing the release and outcheach delivering to the people
16:43:17 <yn1v> delivering need marketing effort, design work and ambassador ground work concerted in a single process. That we do not really have at the moment
16:43:24 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2014-October/022876.html
16:44:10 <yn1v> I already pointed out, that this position will be a big task, demanding in energy, mediating things and lot of time
16:44:51 * yn1v has wrote too much, will take a pause to read others views
16:46:08 <tuanta> it is not easy. I think we should discuss at our side first, then bring it to other "Outreach" teams
16:46:17 * lbazan I have to leave!
16:46:33 <lbazan> saludos!
16:46:42 <robyduck> maybe we can ask fo rcandidates in the meanwhile, adding themself to the ticket
16:46:43 <tuanta> there are a few things we should discuss in advance
16:46:54 <robyduck> see ya lbazan
16:47:01 <robyduck> ouch, jumped away
16:47:02 <tuanta> 1. the way to nominate people
16:47:27 <tuanta> 2. we may have a real candidate from Ambassadors team
16:48:40 <tuanta> even when we nominate a real candidate, I don't think there are some objections from other teams
16:49:07 <tuanta> but for more careful, we can ask other teams to nominate someone at the same time
16:49:47 <robyduck> ok, but I think there are not so many candidates who are able to fit that role properly
16:49:58 <yn1v> I really really really think that we have rock stars in Ambassadors teams, but how do we consider rock stars form other teams fairly?
16:50:38 <tuanta> yn1v, that would be the work of other teams
16:50:53 <tuanta> they should nominate someone in their team
16:51:28 <yn1v> somebody can make a post on their mailing list?
16:51:29 <tuanta> I strong believe that if they can nominate someone, he/she must be well-known enough
16:51:41 <tuanta> even he/she could be an ambassador
16:52:07 <tuanta> yn1v, we can do or ask someone in those teams to help us
16:52:10 <yn1v> I do not have time being near the fudcon
16:52:15 <robyduck> tuanta: then let's talk about it in regional meetings and once we have a process we can post it to the ambassadors list to be as quick as possible
16:52:18 <tuanta> like gnokii in Design team
16:52:30 <tuanta> +1 robyduck
16:52:56 <tuanta> I can manage this
16:53:02 <robyduck> cool
16:53:03 <yn1v> and who can help us in marketing?
16:53:12 <tuanta> we have only two other Outreach teams?
16:53:22 <tuanta> I can send to marketing team
16:53:33 <tuanta> I am also in that mailing lists
16:53:34 <yn1v> I even think we should involve web team. Do you agree robyduck ?
16:53:38 <robyduck> mainly marketing
16:53:58 <robyduck> yn1v: not really
16:54:17 <yn1v> why?
16:54:22 <robyduck> there are ambassadors, but they follow the ambassadors ML quite well
16:54:49 <tuanta> +1 robyduck. they may be in marketing list either
16:54:54 <robyduck> yes
16:54:57 <tuanta> so we need to reach out two teams, I think
16:55:01 <yn1v> but we can agree that web team should be part of the outreach?
16:55:15 <tuanta> 1. Marketing; 2. Design
16:55:24 <tuanta> yes, yn1v
16:56:13 <tuanta> there are many other teams also, but we should focus on ones where we can reach to almost people I think
16:56:33 <robyduck> tuanta: +1
16:56:56 <tuanta> lot of people are a part of multiple teams
16:57:13 <tuanta> .fasinfo tuanta
16:57:14 <zodbot> tuanta: User: tuanta, Name: Truong Anh Tuan, email: tuanta@iwayvietnam.com, Creation: 2008-09-27, IRC Nick: tuanta, Timezone: Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh, Locale: en, GPG key ID: EF8D50BF, Status: active
16:57:14 <tuanta> :)
16:57:17 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: @famsco @ambassadors @gitfama freemedia cla_fedora cla_done packager fedorabugs cla_fpca
16:57:41 <yn1v> can any body look at fedora structure and make a list of teams that should be included, and post that on the ticket?
16:57:57 <yn1v> I know that many have multiple roles.
16:58:23 <yn1v> But I think it will help look at the whole project and make a list
16:58:32 <tuanta> yn1v, you mean: firstly, we need to make a list of Outreach teams?
16:58:37 <yn1v> I can't do it know.
16:58:54 <yn1v> yes
16:59:04 <yn1v> it will serve as a draft, a starting point
16:59:16 <robyduck> let's not make ti a too long process. AMbassadors are invited during the mentor process to subscrive to ambassador *and* marketing ML
16:59:23 <yn1v> we can later discard that if we find that is not useful
16:59:39 <robyduck> so these both teams should be the first ones, and I agree Design could be another
17:00:04 <yn1v> marketing list has been flooding with magazine things, that it is hard to find what is not magazine related
17:00:12 <tuanta> yn1v, it is a big task. +1 robyduck, please do not make it too big
17:00:14 <robyduck> hehe
17:00:19 <tuanta> :)
17:00:55 <tuanta> I think sending notifications to ambassadors, marketing and design are enough
17:01:02 <robyduck> yep.
17:01:14 <yn1v> I agree it is a good start
17:01:36 <robyduck> do we agree about talking about it in the regional meetings and sending out after a process to nominate?
17:01:44 <tuanta> lets start with that; then we will see if there are some important ones missed out
17:01:49 <yn1v> absolutely
17:02:08 <tuanta> thanks. I will take this task
17:02:14 <robyduck> yes, that could be a good first step, we can adjust it anytime in the next weeks
17:02:53 <yn1v> my concern is about involve people that are not in those teams
17:03:27 <tuanta> #action tuanta to send notifications to ambassadors, marketing and design mailing lists to ask teams to nominate their members to Outreach Representiatve for the new Fedora Council
17:03:58 <yn1v> I agree, do something in the right direction and then try to fine tune to outreach those that were not included on the first wave
17:04:15 <tuanta> yes, yn1v
17:04:15 <robyduck> cool :)
17:04:34 <robyduck> anything else for today?
17:04:41 <tuanta> #idea This topic should be raised in regional meetings
17:04:47 <yn1v> not from me
17:04:52 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
17:05:06 <tuanta> I have no more topics yet today
17:05:27 <robyduck> me neither
17:05:36 <tuanta> ok, I will end the meeting now
17:05:46 <tuanta> thank you for attending today :)
17:05:46 <robyduck> and we ran also out of time
17:05:51 <tuanta> #endmeeting