13:06:57 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2010-1-15 13:06:57 Meeting started Sat Jan 15 13:06:57 2011 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:06:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:06:58 sure 13:07:02 .fasinfo kaio 13:07:03 kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active 13:07:04 #meetingname famsco 13:07:04 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 13:07:08 kaio: Unapproved Groups: art 13:07:11 #topic Rollcall 13:07:12 kaio: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh 13:07:18 .fas gbraad 13:07:19 gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' 13:07:23 .fas ppapadeas 13:07:24 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 13:07:25 .fas igorps 13:07:26 .fasinfo lcafiero 13:07:29 igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' 13:07:33 lcafiero: User: lcafiero, Name: Larry Cafiero, email: larrycafiero@cruzio.com, Creation: 2008-05-17, IRC Nick: lcafiero, Timezone: US/Pacific, Locale: en, Extension: 5105587, GPG key ID: , Status: active 13:07:37 lcafiero: Approved Groups: famsco cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors news 13:07:49 Hello everyone once again :) 13:07:57 our todays agenda can be found here : 13:08:03 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 13:08:14 Lets begin :) 13:08:23 #topic Past Action Items 13:08:31 #topic Ambassadors FAQ 13:08:55 We are almost finishing this one 13:09:02 igorps, has done a fine job on our FAQ and pending some minor changes we should be ready to annouunce it on Monday 13:09:12 igorps, you think it is possible? 13:09:27 can you take care of the announcing or shall I do it? 13:09:49 I will change some things according to your suggestions yet 13:09:58 liknus: I can do the announcement 13:10:09 igorps, excellent :) thanks igorps... 13:10:15 but i'd rather do it by Tuesday 13:10:24 also, i have one request 13:10:25 #action igorps Finalizes FAQ and announces it next week 13:10:30 Is it ok? 13:10:37 totally fine with me 13:11:03 lcafiero: what request? 13:11:20 (please people interupt me you feel we are going fast) 13:11:27 igorps, I have not been able to look at our list a lot this week. but what was the conclusion of the RH employees/office topic? removed? 13:11:47 gbraad-china, removed as most of us agreed on that 13:11:51 gbraad-china: that question os removed 13:11:58 liknus fine with me, keep the pace. 13:11:59 was* 13:12:10 lcafiero, ? 13:12:12 igorps: the faq is great and I would only change one thing -- and that would be to "americanize" the language, and I can do that. 13:12:26 explain? 13:12:27 lcafiero, hehe :) +1 for me 13:12:33 meaning changing the "-ise" to "-ize" where applicable 13:12:40 since when is American an official language ? ;-) 13:12:40 lcafiero: sure I was about to ask that 13:12:43 I don't want to sound territorial 13:13:03 lcafiero, totally understanable... EN_US is our default 13:13:16 * gbraad-china is just kidding. please do 13:13:19 lcafiero: I need a native English speaker to review it, for sure 13:13:21 everyone in favor of that? 13:13:25 +1 for me 13:13:28 +1 13:13:31 +1 13:13:51 #agreed use EN_US in all our texts 13:13:58 thanks lcafiero for that :) 13:14:00 ok moving on : 13:14:02 OK. 13:14:18 #topic Monthly reports 13:14:31 igorps, will take care of these two months (Dec, Jan) 13:14:38 igorps, anyting on that? 13:14:58 I started to outline our report 13:15:16 I send a mail about that 13:15:27 if you have any suggestions you can tell me 13:15:46 Saw that igorps :) seems nice to me as is... lets go for it and we can have feedback foe the next one 13:15:58 s/foe/for 13:16:04 everyone ok with that? 13:16:12 One of mu ideas is starting the report for the two last months 13:16:23 I mean one report for Dec/Jan 13:16:26 s/mu/my 13:16:31 :) 13:16:48 combined? 13:16:49 hm... I think sticking to monthly reports is important in retrospective 13:17:03 -1 13:17:19 I have to agree with liknus here 13:17:20 liknus: I we can do it monthly starting from February 13:17:34 igorps, temporarily seems ok 13:17:36 rather less content in a monthly report than a combined one 13:17:43 but not to take it as granted :) 13:18:00 my point this that there were not much activity in December and January 13:18:05 cause it is our first it can be combined... (we are still learning the ropes) 13:18:11 due to holidays 13:18:33 so I can publish it right after FUDCon Tempe 13:18:45 Ok who is in favor of Dec/Jan combined and then continue Monthly ? 13:18:48 +1 for me 13:18:53 +1 13:18:54 this would suggest the summer holidays for most (july/aug-sept) could alos be combined ? :-s 13:18:59 -1 13:19:22 gbraad-china, not exactly..many release parties are happening then 13:19:30 this should be a one off 13:19:42 * gbraad-china is still disagreeing 13:19:43 just to help igorps on his taks 13:19:49 task* 13:20:01 lcafiero and kaio? 13:20:02 lcafiero, kaio on that? 13:20:03 gbraad-china: don't know with middle year holidays are that common around the world 13:20:08 * liknus smilies 13:20:22 * kaio thinking 13:20:44 you could still assist him. I am disagreeing cause I can 13:20:46 ;-) 13:21:03 * kaio thinks if monthly decided, it should be all monthly, so does bi-monthly 13:21:24 igorps, is that so much trouble to have Dec and Jan seperately? 13:21:38 sorry, I think either way is fine. I will go with what the group decides on this. 13:21:47 Not at all 13:22:02 I can publish the December issue before FUDCon 13:22:23 igorps, can you please do that? 13:22:45 but I will need quickly information about your regions 13:22:51 #agreed Jan Dec reports will be published separately 13:23:05 igorps, ok just ask specific info on the list 13:23:05 :) 13:23:06 ok? 13:23:10 sure 13:23:12 no problem 13:23:14 nice 13:23:16 moving on: 13:23:23 igorps ok 13:23:27 #topic Events page 13:23:40 we have a blocker on our mediawiki update : 13:23:42 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2563 13:23:50 I am following that closely 13:24:09 #topic F-15 Ambassadors Schedule 13:24:37 Robyn is super busy with preparing FUDCon, so she did not have the chance to push the final publication 13:24:53 I am pinging her and hopefully we can have it really soon 13:25:09 at worst this would be another weekend 13:25:29 after that i should write a wiki article (and post) explaining tasks and seek some feedback on that 13:25:35 everyone ok with that? 13:25:49 +1 (= ok) 13:25:50 ok, liknus 13:26:04 #topic Ambassadors SOPs 13:26:17 +1 13:26:24 SOPs are in place and my duty is to deliver some basic ones till next meeting 13:26:34 (I will :) i promise) 13:26:53 if everyone wants to help out on this just create a new one on our wiki 13:27:03 +1 13:27:10 I created an SOP on creating SOP :P 13:27:20 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Ambassadors_SOP 13:27:24 * igorps is going to link some SOPs from the Ambassadors FAQ either 13:27:25 recursive fun? 13:27:39 so feel free to join the wiki fun :) 13:27:44 moving on ? 13:28:15 * gbraad-china suggests to remove the (we are freaks). 13:28:22 ok lets move to Board Goals 13:28:31 * liknus noted gbraad-china suggestion 13:28:39 * liknus will do that asap 13:28:45 * gbraad-china should remain professional from our side 13:28:53 ok, board goals 13:28:57 #topic Board Goals 2011 13:29:13 so to accommodate our discussion I created this page : 13:29:22 http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011 13:29:26 however this was not noted in the agenda 13:29:28 So just to sum up 13:29:44 gbraad-china, I just did... thats why :) 13:30:17 Full list of goals that were set by our Board can be found here : 13:30:18 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-12-13 13:30:47 out of those some were explained and prioritized 13:30:48 * gbraad-china suggests when editing the piratepad, please enter your name 13:30:54 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_goals_2011 13:31:16 So Board needs our opinion/feedback/suggestions on that 13:31:39 I suggest we start by examining the ranked goals one by one 13:31:52 and then move to suggesting possible alternations or new ones 13:32:00 ok with that everyone? 13:32:18 keep in mind that we are also going to meet with them this Monday 13:32:32 liknus: +1 13:32:33 igorps, thanks for noting it :) 13:32:43 what do you mean igorps? 13:33:09 gbraad-china: we will have a meeting with the board 13:33:13 members of Famsco are invited to attend the board meeting 13:33:25 to express our views on the Goal 13:33:30 goals* 13:33:37 ok lets go : 13:33:39 igorps time of meeting? 13:33:55 #topic Goal 1 : Improve and simplify collaboration 13:34:19 19:00 UTC 13:34:45 I think that is fine. 13:34:56 There is no objection to that obviously 13:35:05 I believe that having all those expressed as examples is confusing 13:35:15 btw it would be nice to have a reminder on our list before 13:35:36 goals should have specific deliverables and then "ways to achieve" them 13:35:44 igorps, noted :) 13:35:55 #action liknus sends reminder on the list for the board meeting 13:36:23 lcafiero, what about suggesting to have clear structure of deliverables and actions needed under each goal? 13:36:34 I will be 5am and this takes 1 of 2 dark sleeps away from the week (I am night shift job at the moment). 13:36:39 liknus: I guess the examples are just to make clear who could be accountable for those goals 13:37:15 maybe we can turn "could' to "should" 13:37:16 :) 13:37:28 :) 13:37:29 +1 13:37:39 +1 13:37:59 ok so we can have a suggestion here that states : 13:38:11 local ambassador meetups 13:38:27 Each Goal should have deliverables and Action items 13:38:31 sounds nice? 13:38:42 (this applies to all goals) 13:38:44 +1 13:38:46 sounds great 13:38:56 +1 13:39:01 ok I am talking notes 13:39:02 :) 13:39:17 #idea Each Goal should have deliverables and Action items 13:39:26 now on first goal 13:39:58 I would in addition to final example suggest the meeting on all SCo once per year on our FUDCon 13:40:43 Sounds plausible? 13:40:50 oh you +1 13:40:51 Will it improve collaboration? 13:41:02 s/oh you// 13:41:26 Sounds plausible to me and this is something we can achieve this year yet 13:41:52 lcafiero, kaio ? 13:42:04 agreed 13:42:13 agree 13:42:27 i think it is s/meeting on all/meeting of all ? 13:42:31 yeap 13:42:39 yes 13:42:43 agree 13:42:47 ok I made the addition to piratepad 13:43:29 possinbly to different FUDCons? 13:43:43 liknus: what do you mean? 13:43:43 so we can enhance other FUDCon s too? 13:43:51 lets say... : 13:43:57 you mean cross regions pollination ? 13:43:59 ;-) 13:44:01 FESCo to FUDCON ApAC 13:44:14 FAMSCo to FUDCON LATAM 13:44:15 etc 13:44:21 +1 13:44:24 (and change each year) 13:44:30 +1 13:44:37 that way we will improve the quality of regional FUDCONs 13:44:38 :) 13:44:45 sounds like a good approach 13:44:45 +1 13:44:56 it is not something we should have to agree upon beforehand. just hope it would happen all the time 13:45:16 * gbraad-china hopes others understand what I mean 13:45:34 gbraad-china, if we set it as a goal then future Fudcons will have it in mind to at least form one SCo 13:45:46 Having a meeting of all SCos at one FUDCon would be really hard 13:45:58 so this approach is really plausible 13:45:59 IMO FAmSCo should go to LATAM, APAC and EMEA 13:46:13 ;-) 13:46:30 rotating SCos around the world seem like a nice way to enhance FUDCons 13:46:39 it is. +1 13:46:51 and because SCos are not many people it is financially feasible :) 13:47:05 especially a good ideal for pushing new regions forward 13:47:16 nice 13:47:19 FUDCon LATAM will be in May, it is a good idea to try this out there 13:47:32 seems nice to me 13:47:41 Another thing : 13:47:53 on this Goal there is Scheduling Platform 13:48:03 I think it is crucial for Ambassadors 13:48:14 shall we try to stress it on Monday meeting? 13:48:28 (no need to rephrase it.. just stress out importance) 13:48:52 yes 13:49:02 +1 13:49:08 ok nice 13:49:26 Shall we move to goal #3 ? 13:49:32 (original numbering) 13:50:02 ok, let's move on 13:50:08 yes 13:50:17 #topic Goal 3 :Improve and encourage high-quality communication 13:50:21 so on this one : 13:50:30 make people aware of the VoIP capabilities and make use of it when possible. 13:50:44 gbraad-china, nicely noted 13:50:49 add it to piratepad 13:51:17 liknus: done 13:51:21 also on "Running meetings teaching" we can take responsibility of it: 13:51:47 by creating our SOP and organize a classroom 13:51:57 +1 13:51:59 (also FUDCON workshops seems nice) 13:52:07 so Shall we take ownership? 13:52:19 +1 13:53:09 +1 -- but i want to say something about SOPs: I hope we don't micromanage too much when writing them. 13:53:41 I agree with lcafiero. SOPs should be tips and merely guidelines 13:53:50 lcafiero, totally agreed :) 13:54:08 lcafiero, please make sure you punch me if I cross the line 13:54:30 * gbraad-china gives a preventitive slap in the face with a fish 13:54:43 * liknus hurts :P 13:54:50 ok anything more on this Goal? 13:55:04 liknus, just know: "micromanagement hurts even more" 13:55:43 we should make sure that ambassadors report the events 13:55:45 * lcafiero wouldn't punch you, but i might say "ahem." 13:56:00 ahem seems nice :) 13:56:04 igorps, indeed 13:56:14 sometimes we lack event reports 13:56:20 but this is a Ambassadors goal 13:56:27 (not Fedora global wise) 13:56:44 we can indeed make sure it happens in our project :) 13:56:59 I know, just pointing out that we can achieve that to improve this goal inside Ambassadors :) 13:57:04 +1 less formal ones on wiki 13:57:08 These goals are about Fedora wide issues 13:57:30 igorps, ok :) 13:58:30 moving on? 13:58:50 +1 13:58:54 please do, but still thinking about goal #3 13:59:03 #topic Goal 4 : Ease of joining 13:59:16 I think this is our territory :) 13:59:33 Ambassadors tasks involve helping people choose a project and join it :) 13:59:47 So I believe we should take full ownership of this one 13:59:58 I personally think it is not easy to find stuff on the fedorahosted 14:00:43 so based on the examples given we shall assess the situation and solve the problems by providing workarounds and solutions 14:00:55 seems rational? 14:01:34 yes 14:01:36 Raising the role of ambassadors as a first point of contact seems good to me 14:01:38 We shall have a meeting (all invited) 14:01:45 not only for media and websites 14:01:58 and then ask Q like "Is that accessible... is that easy?" etc 14:02:10 ok 14:02:13 igorps, agreed make the change 14:02:20 also for identifying contributors profiles and guide them 14:02:37 ok so : 14:02:42 +1 14:02:56 this example is just too generic 14:03:06 proposing FAmSCo takes ownership of Goal4 and organize a meeting to begin working on that 14:03:11 (n issues raised) 14:03:26 seems like nice way to put it on Monday? 14:03:49 sure, the board will definitively be interested in that 14:04:47 indeed 14:05:18 emphasize the importance of FedoraCommunity.org domain and make this easy to host at the Fedora Infrastructure as this can enhance the visibility for newcomers 14:05:31 gbraad-china, the one you now write is appropriate to the next goal 14:05:38 "Global presence" 14:05:46 related to local and regional communities we have. 14:06:16 moved 14:06:36 nice :) 14:06:44 ok anything more on Goal 4? 14:07:23 ok moving on: 14:07:24 no, i think it's clear 14:07:49 #topic Goal #11 : Expand global presence 14:08:21 I think that FUDCON in APAC is of outmost importance 14:08:40 and also FADs in Africa (to result on FUDCONs in the future) 14:08:53 ok lets start by this : 14:09:21 emphasizing FADs as mock up events of FUDCONs (generally) 14:09:29 and specifically ... 14:09:38 FUDCON APAC in 2011 14:09:59 and FAD Africa in 2011 (we have it already in Ghana as all shows) 14:10:09 show* 14:10:24 +1 14:10:35 right +1 14:10:37 +1 14:11:01 * kaio does want fudcon apac 14:11:44 In addition to the FUDCon we should have more FADs in LATAM as well 14:12:11 more FADs is noted and must be stressed out 14:12:14 I see monthly meetings for Ambassadors as a way to push for more user interaction and exposure, but also potentials for the FAD. 14:12:23 Organize a FAD SOP ? 14:12:25 +1 14:12:59 gbraad-china, we have biweekly regional meetings 14:13:10 wow... I wish! 14:13:18 FAD SOP seems a nice way to help doing a FAD? 14:13:36 gbraad-china, ok "make sure regions have their biweekly calls " 14:14:02 "Stimulate participation with LUGs" 14:14:27 right -- as one that heads a lug, i think this is important 14:14:43 ok nice :) 14:14:50 anything more on that goal? 14:15:18 no 14:15:30 ok nice moving on 14:15:42 #topic GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community 14:16:33 I have really no remark here :P 14:16:53 create standardized documents to teach essentials for programming, participate in translation, quality assurance 14:17:23 or at least a collection people can use. 14:18:00 Having Fedora Classrooms sessions in different languages are something we need to pursue 14:18:01 part of this is of course already the idea of SOPs, but the classrooms deliver a lot of valuable information that can be combined 14:18:07 right. it should also be noted that at the apac meeting yesterday (or earlier today) that we discussed having sessions around the rh certification tests 14:18:29 specially for technical stuff such programming and QA 14:18:53 ok so end up with SOPs and classrooms 14:18:58 (seems nice to me) 14:19:29 in LATAM we are trying out a Moodle solution 14:19:47 we will share experiences about how it goes 14:19:53 SOPs are already noted on the goal (so does classroom) 14:20:00 igorps, please : 14:20:05 it might be valuable for other regions 14:20:08 general NOTE to LATAM : 14:20:23 please follow up with us on infrastructure 14:20:35 test things so we can see them globally :) 14:20:47 note to LATAM, prevent fragmentation of information. 14:21:00 we love that you do stuff but let us know what and how you do that 14:21:04 information flow is VERY important within the community. prevent to create an insular situation 14:21:07 also do them in a way we can use :) 14:21:22 I really adore the LATAM activity 14:21:31 but I want to see that combined with ours :) 14:21:44 agree with liknus on this 14:21:49 (and this is something that happens on ALL FOSS communities :) ) 14:21:51 sure, of course everyone is invited to try it out 14:21:59 we are starting it yet 14:22:04 Gnome, KDE, Mozilla etc 14:22:13 igorps, do that on our infrastructure 14:22:20 on Fedora's servers etc 14:22:27 and trying different approaches on how we can do it better 14:22:30 ok no worries... just a side note :) 14:22:36 igorps, I believe in general language is not the issue for participation. but stressing it, might make it (hope you understand this) 14:22:57 gbraad-china: I totally agree 14:23:17 igorps, :) nice we are waiting to see more *intergration* from LATAM side 14:23:17 :) 14:23:35 ok anything to add on our last Goal? 14:24:06 ok moving on : 14:24:10 two things left : 14:24:35 any new goals? and who shall express our additions/suggestions on the board at Monday 14:24:46 #topic Any other Goals? 14:25:05 I think that having 5 firm ones are more than enough to move us through 2011 14:25:34 +1 14:25:34 I know that there are many things that can be pursued but sticking to 5 and having them done seems more appropriate 14:25:43 If more come up, we can deal with them then 14:26:09 also I think that this is going to happen each year so we can move other things next year 14:26:13 I agree, as most of them are also noted in the overall goals page. we can still try to push for these within Ambassadors. like goal #5 ;-) 14:26:23 everyone ok with that? 14:26:25 liknus: sure, fragmentation would not be good here either 14:26:38 +1 14:26:40 * liknus agrees with gbraad 14:26:45 +1 for me 14:27:38 +1 of course 14:27:47 #agreed Sticking to these 5 Goals seems OK so we can accomplish them by the end of 2011 14:27:51 ok nice :) 14:27:54 moving on? 14:28:01