14:07:35 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2011-04-02 14:07:35 Meeting started Sat Apr 2 14:07:35 2011 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:07:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:07:39 ok now we are on! 14:07:45 #topic RollCall 14:07:45 ow that was the fastest meeting ever! 14:07:49 .fas gbraad 14:07:49 gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' 14:07:52 .fas kaio 14:07:53 kaio_tab: kaio 'Caius Chance' 14:07:54 .fas ppapadeas 14:07:58 .fas igorps 14:07:59 #meetingname famsco 14:07:59 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 14:08:01 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 14:08:05 igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' 14:08:15 #topic Agenda 14:08:17 .fas lcafiero 14:08:18 lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' 14:08:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 14:08:40 ok lets start with first item 14:08:51 #Discussions and meetings for media wrangler 14:09:18 so did you all initiate the discussions and decision making on your regional meetings? 14:09:30 #topic irc://irc.freenode.net/#Discussions and meetings for media wrangler 14:09:54 irc://irc.freenode.net/#topic Discussions and meetings for media wrangler 14:10:11 gosh... my IRC is really actin weird today :S 14:10:27 #topic Discussions and meetings for media wrangler 14:10:30 ok so 14:10:39 lcafiero: what about NA? 14:11:25 kaio_tab: on APAC? 14:12:01 I'm sorry, I run the NA meetings, but I haven't done anything at them regarding FAmSCo. 14:12:36 could you please make sure you follow the schedule on the regional level 14:12:45 I started some discussion on latest LATAM meeting, but no decision yet 14:12:55 OK 14:13:07 we need to move forward with that as it is already a past item 14:13:14 we might need to wranglers one for Brasil and other for Spanish speaking countries 14:13:29 that would facilitate communication and provide lower shipping costs 14:13:30 igorps: whatever you feel is best for the communities 14:13:40 but for sure we need some names with responsibilities 14:14:00 liknus: sure, we'll get there 14:14:06 ok nice 14:14:15 gbraad: kaio_tab on APAC? 14:14:45 * kaio_tab checks the agenda. I got no pc this week. 14:15:19 I have not been able to participate in the APAC meetng. this was before I got home :-s 14:15:44 kaio_tab: gbraad please make sure we have a media wrangler for APAC set as soon as possible 14:15:52 I think this need to be done on the list if speed is required 14:15:57 For f15? 14:15:59 and make the budget requests for that on famsco trac 14:16:08 kaio_tab: of course 14:16:09 :) 14:16:23 Got it. 14:16:28 gbraad: whatever you find most appropriate 14:16:34 ok moving on from that> 14:16:37 ? 14:16:55 #topic Town Halls 14:17:14 lcafiero: Can you please initiate the procedure to host regional famsco town halls? 14:17:20 #action kaio and gbraad have media wrangler for apac and make the budget request for that on famsco trac. 14:17:36 we need to get as much feedback as possible on the schedule and also on the upcoming draft for swag management 14:17:45 thanks kaio_tab :) 14:17:48 OK 14:17:50 +1 14:18:19 #action lcafiero organizes regional FAmSCo town halls 14:18:21 thanks lcafiero 14:18:24 ok moving on: 14:18:29 BTW, as an aside, we have no problems with media in NA and it's all but automatic. I am not sure what needs to be done on my part in NA on this. 14:18:57 lcafiero: just file the budget bug as a placeholder on our trac 14:19:12 Oh. OK 14:19:24 #topic FUDCon APAC 14:19:42 gbraad: kaio_tab anything on that? 14:20:01 * gbraad has been in touch with several groups to see if co-operation is possible 14:20:13 Some diacussions had been going on. 14:20:19 (I already initiated the discussion within Mozilla) 14:20:33 have not initiated any initiatives with on fedora-zh, hope kaio can do this 14:20:43 ok we need to be more active on that if we want an FUDCon APAC 2011 14:20:47 with on = with/on 14:20:54 agree 14:21:17 I will need to reserve time for this 14:21:19 ok we are looking in the time frame of November December 14:21:34 (because EMEA will be around Sep or Oct) 14:21:55 just keep that in mind 14:21:58 ok 14:22:26 #action gbraad kaio_tab liknus move forward APAC FUDCon more actively 14:22:33 ok moving on: 14:23:09 I still need to finish the draft and share that with you about regional swag managers 14:23:29 #topic Survey Infra 14:23:38 igorps: any news on that? 14:23:46 Same as last week 14:23:51 Still need to ping infra about that 14:24:07 GDocs and additional payed questions on limeservice still are and alternative 14:24:15 Also next week is the deadline for us to reassign Raul's task 14:24:26 I hope he'll be able to get back 14:24:42 If he's not able I can take that one 14:24:57 I heard from Neville he's also able to help 14:25:23 ok action item stays the same 14:25:27 moving on? 14:25:31 yep 14:25:57 +1 14:26:14 neville is not here to update us on librebus 14:26:18 moving on : 14:26:27 lets see our schedule: 14:26:35 http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html 14:26:39 * lcafiero gets his glasses upstairs. either this screen is going bad or my eyes are. brb 14:27:02 ok so : 14:27:26 we need to have media wranglers and budget tickets for media by next week top 14:27:32 * gbraad notes http://librebus.org/ is available (went live) 14:27:35 please coordinate that with your local meetings 14:28:05 on famsco side I will coordinate with design team the artwork we need 14:28:12 (file the bugs) 14:28:49 #action liknus files tickets on design team about artwork needed on our side for F15 14:29:08 back 14:29:14 ok with that? 14:29:21 +1 14:29:34 ok, but what kind of artwork should I think of 14:29:45 besides the ones they already will do 14:29:58 also we need to start communicating the ways of distributing stuff on parties (but that fall on draft for swag handling) 14:30:22 gbraad: lets start with asking our usual (sleeves, poster, etc) and then we can move on new ideas for sure 14:30:49 btw, robyn needs to fix the release date. It releases last November :-) 14:30:54 remember people, this is the first time we are following our schedule closely, so we need to test things out 14:31:23 lcafiero: no :) the date is correct 14:31:37 it outlines the start of the phase 14:32:08 (so it can be interpreted as a Ghant chart 14:32:26 ok poeple : anything else with the schedule? 14:32:47 Oh, OK. I misread it. Maybe it should be retitled or it should be changed in the order to make it chronological. 14:32:54 Nothing on the schedule -- looks fine to me. 14:32:56 I'll coordinate that on LATAM's ml to speed the wrangler process 14:33:14 which from a Gantt Chart perspective would also make more sense 14:33:36 gbraad: oops.. thanks for spelling correction once again :) 14:33:39 really appriciated 14:33:44 i=e 14:33:46 :P 14:34:12 and we now need to wait for Jared to have the EMEA bids discussion 14:34:17 jsmith-away: ping 14:34:20 spevack: ping 14:34:29 #topic EMEA FUDCon Bids 14:34:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda 14:34:46 so I have put the links to all Bids 14:34:57 Did you have any chance to check them? 14:35:06 any quick feedback? 14:35:09 I will start: 14:35:24 I took a time to check on them, they seem pretty nice 14:36:07 Milan bid was something we have been discussing for a long time now. Huge Pros: large community central European location 14:36:27 Cons: no major things.. concerns on pricey 14:37:11 How about Dublin? 14:37:21 Budapest ;-) 14:37:24 Dublin is the obvious choice for RH 14:37:31 there's a note on bureaucracy on Milan 14:37:51 igorps: thats just general for Italy 14:37:52 what kind of bureaucracy issues we could have there? 14:38:13 * lcafiero is reading the zurich and budapest proposals now. 14:38:18 I wasn't aware of those. 14:38:18 the big Con of Dublin is that has virtually no community 14:38:37 Zurich is the fallback plan (same as last year) 14:38:44 (each year we have a plan like this) 14:39:16 and also Budapest seems a nice option (even for RH as it is close to Brno offices) 14:40:49 to my eyes it is between Milan and Budapest 14:41:05 with Milan winning on community and Budapest on price 14:41:17 From the Dublin bid I see that there some concerns about hosting the event together with RH 14:41:31 but Budapest (hungary) had its own FUDCon 2 years ago 14:41:36 Likes this about Budapest: People who hate flying, have the opportunity to drive by car and make car-pooling 14:41:38 (Brno as a matter of fact) 14:41:41 :-) 14:41:51 lcafiero: same thing for Milan :) 14:42:03 igorps: exactly 14:42:11 not that we do not want the support 14:42:12 Right. But that's a joke since I never fly anywhere. 14:42:27 we are just concerned about the focus 14:43:14 Milan and Budapest seem in better shape IMHO 14:43:28 Have we ever had a FUDCon in Milan? 14:44:16 no igorps 14:45:00 This sort of sticks out for Milan to me: Bureaucracy is unpredictable in Italy 14:45:07 What does that mean, exactly? 14:45:32 no idea.. possibly a reference to the Italiano-Greek ways of handling public affairs.. 14:45:39 Ah. 14:45:39 I see no direct connection to our event 14:45:40 Good. The Italian community seems pretty active, what I think is essential for hosting a FUDCon 14:46:01 Well, the up side is that it looks like the entire Italian community is working on this bid :-) 14:46:46 also this FUDCon may result to a bonding experience for italian community.. thats good especially for the many new members 14:47:21 ok obviously Jared is not coming 14:47:30 so we need to postpone it once again 14:47:34 I imagine that bureaucracy in Italy has probably the same issues as in Brazil. Things get slow, what indicates that things need to be prepared some time ahead. 14:47:42 He's at his daughter's performance. When do we need to decide this? 14:47:45 yeah 14:47:53 Or are we the ones who are deciding it? 14:47:55 asap lcafiero 14:48:11 we together with Jared and Community Arch (Max) 14:48:14 Is there anyone here from the bidders? 14:48:35 they were all noticed 14:48:57 Right, I saw that. I'm just wondering if anyone came to make their case and/or answer questions. 14:49:05 nope :( 14:49:25 I know zoltan and kital couldn't make it and sent a notice on the list. The others . . . . OK 14:49:35 as famsco, shall we issue a recommendation? 14:49:49 I would say, yes 14:49:51 Hmmm. We could. 14:49:59 lcafiero: I know... but it was also short notice 14:50:00 Make sure that it's a recommendation 14:50:07 That's true, lik 14:50:08 each member should post his first and second choice? 14:50:10 liknus 14:50:15 (darn tab) 14:50:39 gbraad: ok 14:50:44 lets go : 14:50:46 OK 14:51:26 1st: Budapest, 2nd: Milan 14:51:52 1st: Milan, 2nd: Budapest 14:52:13 1. Milan / 2. Budapest 14:52:30 kaio_tab: ? 14:53:07 btw people... Brno was in Czech Repuplic.. not Hungary 14:53:08 I dont have idea. Skip me. 14:53:13 sorry for that 14:53:27 Current standing: Milan +++++, Budapest ++++ 14:53:37 I would like to state for the record, though, that I think Dublin would also be a good choice and it looks like the organizers did a good job in their proposal. 14:53:59 yep, they are all good bids 14:54:01 But for convenience, the sites on the continent are more logical. 14:54:37 also community participation is a big +1 14:54:51 ok so fo me it is : 14:54:56 s/fo/for 14:55:29 1st: Milan, 2nd: Budapest 14:55:56 So on FAmSCo side, Milan is the recommendation 14:56:00 Milan: +++++++ (7), Budapest: +++++ (5) 14:56:02 are we all OK with that? 14:56:07 +1 14:56:12 +1 14:56:12 +1 14:56:17 +1 for me also 14:56:20 This is a recommendation. Who makes the final decision? EMEA? 14:56:43 we are with CommArch and FPL 14:56:49 Oh, OK. 14:56:57 and Dublin, zero points ;( 14:57:14 GeroldKa -- Hey, I asked if anyone was here. I wish you would have said something. 14:57:17 16:40 < liknus> but Budapest (hungary) had its own FUDCon 2 years ago 14:57:36 ^^ just want also to note that there was never a FUDCon in Hungary Budapest 14:57:36 Larry, it's OK and also fine for me 14:57:52 I just said that kital :) 14:57:54 BRNO is Czech Republic - but Milan is a great choice! 14:57:56 I also appreciate Francescos bid, we're still waiing for three years 14:58:00 * kital is not here ;) 14:58:02 cu 14:58:05 I think there is something to be said for a FUDCon in a new place to attract new members. 14:58:06 liknus: btw people... Brno was in Czech Repuplic.. not Hungary 14:58:43 OK then. 14:59:26 liknus: aahh i should´nt post here in my car :P 14:59:36 You didn't crash, did you? 14:59:49 kital: not yet I guess :P 14:59:53 watch out man 14:59:53 no but i am not really here ;) 14:59:58 Good. 15:00:05 GeroldKa: sorry for not choosing Dublin 15:00:18 * gbraad wants to note: Do not try this at home children! 15:00:22 local community is crucial for our choices I guess 15:00:40 GeroldKa: It was a good bid tough 15:00:48 indeed 15:00:54 so people 15:01:00 anything more to add? 15:01:21 when are you guys meeting with commarch / fpl? 15:01:28 Not from me, except to stress that this is a recommendation. 15:01:33 #agreed FAmSCo recommendation for FUDCON EMEA 2011 is Milan 15:01:41 lcafiero: exaclty 15:01:52 we still need a meeting with FPL and CommArch 15:02:03 I will email them both 15:02:04 rbergeron should have been now 15:02:05 As I understood it, it was supposed to be this meeting, rbergeron 15:02:12 so no need to publish anything yet 15:02:13 all good ;) - good job to get a decission out is important no matter who will win - it is also a appreciation of all bids that you look into it 15:02:18 But we can reschedule. 15:02:19 gbraad: that's what i thought 15:02:37 rbergeron: hey 15:02:40 * rbergeron will try and nudge it along as well 15:02:41 that was the mails 15:02:48 ok so : 15:02:53 #topic OpenFloor 15:03:01 thanks all for this meeting 15:03:11 will be posting our results later on today 15:03:30 * lcafiero has to drive wife to school. will stay on channel but will be afk 15:03:40 ending the meeting in one min 15:03:44 I would like remind you guys that we will have the third subsidy meeting for FUDCon Panama on Tuesday 15:03:47 bye lcafiero_afk 15:03:50 no further comments 15:04:00 ok great people 15:04:02 thanks all! 15:04:12 What time (before I go) for the FUDCon Panama meeting? 15:04:12 also have to get ready for tomorrow. only 4 hours of sleeping time remaining :-s 15:04:26 lcafiero_afk: 22:00 EST 15:04:34 thanks 15:04:55 lcafiero_afk: anytime :) 15:05:28 #endmeeting