14:02:48 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-07-02
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14:02:54 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
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14:02:58 <liknus> #topic RollCall
14:03:01 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
14:03:02 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
14:03:06 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:03:06 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:03:08 <gbraad-china> .fas gbraad
14:03:10 <zodbot> gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:03:15 <liknus> Agenda for today:
14:03:16 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:03:16 <jsmith> .fasinfo jsmith
14:03:17 <zodbot> jsmith: User: jsmith, Name: Jared Smith, email: jsmith.fedora@gmail.com, Creation: 2007-05-15, IRC Nick: jsmith, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5101642, GPG key ID: 8B670B7A, Status: active
14:03:21 <zodbot> jsmith: Approved Groups: cmswriters cla_fpca cmseditors @accounts cla_fedora cla_done docs sysadmin sysadmin-tools docs-writers ambassadors irc-support-operators @elections
14:03:35 <gomix> .fasinfo gomix
14:03:36 <zodbot> gomix: User: gomix, Name: Guillermo Gómez, email: guillermo.gomez@gmail.com, Creation: 2006-05-13, IRC Nick: gomix, Timezone: America/Caracas, Locale: en, Extension: 5100627, GPG key ID: 3205A464, Status: active
14:03:40 <zodbot> gomix: Approved Groups: cla_fpca gitrevista-fedora-latam cla_fedora cla_done docs ambassadors cvsl10n packager fedorabugs docs-writers docs-publishers
14:03:56 <liknus> Although we do have an agenda for today, I recommend to focus on the FUDCON APAC and then move on to the regular agenda
14:03:58 <gbraad-china> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:04:04 <gbraad-china> me/ oops
14:04:10 <liknus> #topic FUDCon APAC Bids
14:04:13 <liknus> so:
14:04:21 <liknus> so far we have two really detailed bids
14:04:24 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Beijing_2011
14:04:28 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:India_2011
14:05:00 <liknus> I have to say that lately we really take care of having great bids and competition between the bidding teams
14:05:08 <liknus> (see last FUDCon EMEA)
14:05:36 <liknus> I will start by saying that whatever the recommendation of FAmSCo will be,
14:06:03 <liknus> we will also recommend to have a large scale FAD on the not-selected city
14:06:10 <liknus> jsmith: would that make sense?
14:06:13 <gbraad> +1
14:06:14 <liknus> everyone ok with that?
14:06:15 <igorps> liknus, +1
14:06:39 <igorps> we did the same for FUDCon LATAM
14:06:50 <liknus> and of course the not-selected one is in priority one for next year
14:06:52 <igorps> seems fair enough to me
14:07:09 <liknus> kaio on that?
14:07:14 <liknus> kaio_: ping
14:07:24 <gbraad> kaio_: ping
14:07:26 <liknus> I guess this is agreed for now
14:07:44 <liknus> #agreed Not-selected city will host a large scale FAD
14:07:55 <jsmith> Sorry, stepped away for a second
14:07:58 * gomix can anyone make suggestions?
14:08:14 <gbraad> gomix of what nature?
14:08:23 <jsmith> I would hesitate against making the non-winning bid the priority for next year
14:08:28 <gomix> about the topic being discussed
14:08:38 <jsmith> as the Malaysian team decided that they don't want to try for this year, but very much want to bid for next year
14:08:44 <jsmith> It would be unfair to penalize them for that
14:08:49 <gomix> +1
14:09:01 <liknus> jsmith: +1 next year will be again a head to head
14:09:16 <gbraad> agree, this will be a fair 'battle'
14:09:19 <liknus> gomix: this is a famsco meeting... can you wait till openfloor?
14:09:24 <gomix> no problem
14:09:27 <liknus> thanks
14:09:36 <liknus> so moving on specific things about the bids
14:09:40 <gbraad> but however, is the time of this slot known? I thought it was in Q1
14:10:05 <liknus> gbraad: which slot?
14:10:21 <gbraad> for FUDCon APAC in 2012
14:10:27 <igorps> gbraad, I think there were some changes on that
14:10:44 <tatica> o/
14:11:00 <gbraad> this is important information to discuss with possible partnerships
14:11:00 <igorps> not quite sure what quarter is for witch one now
14:11:06 <jsmith> March 1 - May 30
14:11:07 <jsmith> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Premier_Fedora_events#Recurring_Premier_Fedora_Events
14:11:23 <liknus> thanks jsmith
14:11:24 <gbraad> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Premier_Fedora_events#Recurring_Premier_Fedora_Events
14:11:35 <liknus> ok shall we move on specifics of the bids?
14:11:41 <gbraad> please
14:11:44 <liknus> I would like to start with China
14:11:58 <liknus> so one major con that I see there is the venue
14:12:15 <liknus> apparently the biggest room we can get is ~100 people
14:12:30 <gbraad> correction: this is not the case
14:12:42 <liknus> sorry I am just reading the wiki
14:12:58 <gbraad> we specified different possible options for budgetting
14:13:09 <gbraad> larger rooms and smaller are available
14:13:12 <liknus> so there are bigger rooms available?
14:13:18 <gbraad> yes
14:13:34 <liknus> but the pricing on that?
14:13:53 <igorps> gbraad, how big they are?
14:13:54 <liknus> and also why Universities are not OK with hosting as for free?
14:13:59 <gbraad> slightly more, but negotiable
14:14:35 <gbraad> the relationship with BPUT is good, but we have not exploited this completely yet
14:15:02 <gbraad> and to be fair, if bidding process takes longer we loose opportunitiesto negotiate and book
14:15:15 <liknus> noted
14:15:31 <liknus> I guess jsmith will conclude next week
14:15:44 <jsmith> Yes, as early next week as possible
14:15:48 <jsmith> Monday is a holiday in the USA
14:15:48 <gbraad> igorps: auditorium size is possible.
14:16:09 <liknus> now on expenses and cost (traveling etc) China is well ahead
14:16:32 <liknus> I mean it is cheaper especially on bringing more people from Asia
14:17:16 <igorps> what about visa and sanitary requirements? Is there anything specific?
14:17:18 <liknus> I can see also that in terms of community China is still a new one
14:17:44 <jsmith> igorps: There's a link on the ambassadors mailing list about visa requirements
14:17:46 <liknus> selecting China would mean that we go for the "potential" of community
14:17:53 <jsmith> igorps: (They didn't look too difficult to me)
14:17:54 <gbraad> VISA application for L should generally take about 3 days
14:18:04 <liknus> visa would be ok with both countries
14:18:32 <gbraad> if invitation is needed, we can discuss this with the participant/visitor
14:18:34 <liknus> on the other hand with India we have a fully fledged community with years of experience
14:18:46 <liknus> I would treat that as "rewarding" the community
14:18:47 <igorps> gbraad, sounds good
14:19:05 <liknus> so we are facing a rewarding<>potential descision
14:19:25 <liknus> (although both of them have rewarding and potential up to a point)
14:19:46 <liknus> (I am just discussing on the main points)
14:20:19 <liknus> Strategically speaking China seems the way to go
14:20:35 <liknus> we need to establish our presence there and move forward
14:20:55 <liknus> it is cheap and we have the community threashold
14:21:27 <liknus> Community speaking India has done an excellent job and those guys really deserve the first APAC FUDCon after that many years of discussions
14:21:29 * gbraad is biased and will therefore witheheld from further comments
14:21:38 <liknus> gbraad: thanks
14:22:03 <liknus> I am just trying to be logical and objective (although I know that this is not always possible)
14:22:12 <liknus> igorps: anything on those raised?
14:22:22 <igorps> sounds like a decision of what focus we want to this FUDCon, fostering a incipient community or providing a good opportunity for a experienced community
14:22:50 <igorps> I'm ok with both focus for FUDCons in general
14:23:00 <gbraad> igorps: +1
14:23:32 <igorps> I believe that communities can choose to give what focus they find more appropriated for a FUDCon
14:23:54 <igorps> I see that the first FUDCon in India was just a first experience
14:24:21 <igorps> if we choose India, I'd like to give a suggestion
14:24:26 <jsmith> My biggest concern about India is lack of international flights into Pune
14:24:51 <igorps> To fund someone from China to see how a FUDCon is
14:24:57 <gbraad> The question here sounds almost inappropriate, 'but which choice is most rewarding?'
14:24:58 <liknus> jsmith: that is indeed a big concern... especially for costs
14:25:35 <gbraad> igorps: +1
14:25:42 <jsmith> igorps: +1
14:25:54 <gbraad> igorps: I have a good candidate I want to propose for this
14:26:11 <jsmith> That might be slightly harder given the budget, but either way, we should help train future FUDCon leaders :-)
14:26:30 <liknus> jsmith: indeed
14:26:33 <tatica> +1
14:26:34 <igorps> In my opinion that would be the best way to go now
14:27:12 <gbraad> last week's meeting and ambassadors seem to be in favor of India
14:27:18 <liknus> so given the fact that we already had an India FUDCon before, and that there are concerns on budget... I am going with China bid *but* with special attention needed on venue
14:27:20 <igorps> we don't need to fund a lot of folks from China and Malaysia, but someone who can help pushing things forward for next years
14:27:56 <liknus> also that should be the other way around
14:28:14 <liknus> (India and Malaysia folks traveling to China)
14:28:27 <gbraad> liknus: we will discuss this nonetheless (regarding venue)
14:28:28 <igorps> liknus, sure!
14:28:53 <liknus> I am going for "potential" this time
14:29:03 <liknus> Lets give China the chance to shine
14:29:23 <liknus> India can have a large FAD this year and bid again with priority next year
14:29:38 <liknus> (unless something extraordinary comes up)
14:30:02 <liknus> gbraad: I guess you are also on the China bid :)
14:30:07 <liknus> igorps: on that?
14:30:23 * gbraad refrains from commenting
14:30:39 <liknus> (I guess we can also safely say that kaio_ is in favor of China bid)
14:30:54 <igorps> liknus, I'm ok with having a FAD in China, with we can get a couple more K dollars than the usual for FADs
14:31:28 <liknus> igorps: you mean in India?
14:31:38 <igorps> liknus, yes :)
14:31:44 <liknus> ok
14:31:58 <liknus> yn1v: I will post the logs in private for you
14:32:06 <gbraad> igorps: I do believe budget should be somehow discussed for future FUDCon's. Let's see after the event how much we have spend and had difficulty to stay within budget
14:32:14 <yn1v> liknus, thanks
14:33:06 <jsmith> gbraad: I agree, but I'm not sure what there is to discuss.  The budgets are fixed, and should not exceed the fixed amounts.
14:33:38 <gbraad> jsmith: APAC's economy has also grown a lot recently and should be considere
14:34:06 <igorps> gbraad, do we have a estimate for all costs together?
14:34:41 <gbraad> jsmith: this is important to future events. our target for this year is clear. 15K max without sponsoring
14:34:44 <jsmith> gbraad: Yes, I understand that.  We may re-evaluate for next year, but for this year (Red Hat's fiscal year), the budgets are set.
14:35:13 * jsmith stresses that the costs *are not to exceed* 15k USD for FUDCon APAC
14:35:29 <liknus> so yn1v read them and chime in
14:35:30 <liknus> while waiting for yn1v to express his opinion (and finalize FAmSCo's recommendation ) lets move to our agenda
14:35:31 <liknus> jsmith: thanks for the clarification :)
14:35:39 <gbraad> +1
14:35:45 <gbraad> understood and clear
14:36:08 <liknus> ok now on other topics (till yn1v is done)
14:36:16 <liknus> #topic Events page
14:36:34 <liknus> we have our mediawiki updated!
14:36:42 <yn1v> I am sad that I have to make a choice
14:36:53 <igorps> liknus, cheers!
14:37:01 <yn1v> As I posted on mailing list I am going for Pune
14:37:08 <liknus> That means that we can see our bug about css meshing with {{{hidden}}} tag
14:37:12 <gbraad> yn1v: so you know how I feel these days
14:37:26 <yn1v> I see that they can make more things for fedora in short term because they alerady have the capacity
14:37:39 <liknus> Decisions are to be made gents :)
14:37:50 <yn1v> and I felt better with the idea of a big FAD
14:38:20 <yn1v> wich will be like a first step for China to a FUDCon
14:38:25 <liknus> #action liknus files a bug on hidden tag
14:38:48 <liknus> (ok we are done with that) lets move back to finalize FUDCon APAC recommendation
14:39:06 <liknus> ok so far we have:
14:39:10 <liknus> yn1v: India
14:39:16 <liknus> mether: India
14:39:20 <liknus> liknus: China
14:39:24 <liknus> gbraad: China
14:39:27 <liknus> kaio_: China
14:39:32 <liknus> igorps: ?
14:39:41 <igorps> India
14:39:48 <liknus> hehe
14:39:53 <jsmith> Split right down the middle
14:39:53 <liknus> ok 3/3 for FAmSCo
14:39:54 <gbraad> 50 / 50
14:39:54 <jsmith> :-)
14:40:04 <gbraad> split the budget and have two evnts
14:40:06 <liknus> jsmith: sorry we could not provide any help for that
14:40:17 <jsmith> liknus: No, your feedback was helpful, even if it wasn't definitive
14:40:24 * jsmith knew it would be difficult
14:40:59 <liknus> Final Recommendation for FUDCon APAC from FAmSCo: 3/3 for our members we will not give a definitive one
14:41:32 <igorps> I'm not doing it by the fun of the tie :)
14:41:34 <liknus> Many points were raised... hope this will help jsmith and his team to decide
14:41:47 <liknus> igorps: hope you are not :P
14:42:03 <liknus> moving on team?
14:42:09 <gbraad> +1
14:42:23 <liknus> jsmith: good luck on deciding the hosting city
14:42:28 <igorps> as I said before, if we choose India, let's reserve some budget for folks from China and Malaysia
14:42:46 <liknus> thats indeed something that we will do
14:42:53 <liknus> people moving on/
14:43:09 <liknus> We still need to meet with rbergeron about the schedule
14:43:14 <liknus> rbergeron: are you online?
14:43:40 <liknus> #action liknus mails to rbergeron to arrange a meeting about F16 schedule
14:44:04 <liknus> we know that as we approached the launch we failed on many points on the schedule
14:44:27 <liknus> especially on liaison with other teams
14:44:34 <liknus> thats something that we should work on
14:44:54 <gbraad> +1
14:44:58 <liknus> I am happy to see that Design team is kickstarting an initiative to have liaisons on other teams
14:44:59 <igorps> liknus, +1
14:45:12 <liknus> possibly this is something that we should do too
14:45:19 <gbraad> +1
14:45:40 <liknus> can someone draft a wiki page about that?
14:45:51 <gbraad> we should be more active in #fedora-ambassadors or get more direct involvement from them
14:46:02 <tatica> +1
14:46:15 <liknus> so we know that we have contact people on other teams and people from our team to liaison with them?
14:46:20 <liknus> igorps: can you do it?
14:46:28 <igorps> liknus, sure!
14:46:33 <liknus> and then we should outreach for everyone to sign up for it
14:46:46 <liknus> tatica: Design team is inspiring :)
14:46:51 <yn1v> +1
14:47:05 <gbraad> design is a binding glue
14:47:19 <liknus> #action igorps creates a wiki page about Ambassador Liaisons with other teams
14:47:26 <liknus> gbraad: hehe indeed
14:47:26 <rbergeron> ?
14:47:28 <rbergeron> yes
14:47:28 <gbraad> we should also eploit any involvement from them to visualzie the move towards F16
14:47:49 <liknus> rbergeron: something like Tuesday will be ok for you?
14:48:28 <liknus> Tuesday 20:00 UTC lets say
14:48:49 <liknus> ok we will sort it our
14:48:51 <liknus> out*
14:48:56 <tatica> liknus, :P
14:49:03 <rbergeron> yeah, i'll answer in a second.
14:49:06 <liknus> #topic Town Halls
14:49:10 <rbergeron> need to translate time :)
14:49:17 <liknus> rbergeron: :P
14:49:40 <liknus> yn1v: can you announce on the lists that next FAmSCo meeting will be a public one
14:49:40 <liknus> ?
14:49:47 <yn1v> sure!
14:49:55 <liknus> So to start with the open meetings once per month
14:50:05 <liknus> everyone ok with that?
14:50:10 <igorps> liknus, +1
14:50:11 <gbraad> -1
14:50:19 <liknus> gbraad: ?
14:50:21 <gbraad> bi-weekly
14:50:35 <gbraad> or even more often
14:50:36 <liknus> we need some time to do work on our own :)
14:50:40 <rbergeron> liknus: that works (sorry, on irc via phone)
14:50:52 <liknus> rbergeron: great I am setting it on my cal
14:50:54 <liknus> thanks!
14:50:55 <gbraad> I understand, but the more often, the less big issues we will deal with
14:51:02 <igorps> I'm afraid we won't have enough time for our own agenda if it's going to be bi-weekly
14:51:09 <liknus> exactly
14:51:14 <gbraad> treat it as an iterative process that involves refinement
14:51:24 <liknus> lets do the first one and see how the participation goes
14:52:04 <rbergeron> liknus: can you send me a reminder to add one to my calendar? (sorry, but i'm out doing stuff and i dont want to forget)
14:52:27 <liknus> rbergeron: ok will do :)
14:52:28 <gbraad> igorps: I also believe this is due to lack of visiblity since the survey took so long
14:53:08 <gbraad> igorps: but yes, most of the information is also extracted from the regional meetings
14:53:11 <yn1v> let's say June9th public and june 23th in another schedule a townhall ?
14:53:21 <rbergeron> thx :)
14:53:32 <liknus> yn1v: sounds good for starters
14:53:47 <liknus> lets go with it and see if we need to adapt then..
14:53:51 <gbraad-china> igorps: monthly sounds good for the moment
14:54:10 <igorps> gbraad-china, let's start with that hen
14:54:13 <liknus> #action yn1v announces next public FAmSCo meeting
14:54:28 * gbraad-china noticed gbraad's IPSEC tunnel dropped
14:55:14 <yn1v> If it is my choice I would say june23th at 20:00UTC
14:55:39 <liknus> oh.. you mean move the next one so to accommodate more people?
14:55:55 <liknus> that would make sense but I guess we should not bind on that from now
14:56:11 <liknus> go for the regular next one and then we can reassess the situation
14:56:13 <gbraad-china> yn1v: please broadcast this publicly with specifying the same time in different timezones to be sure ;-) (or link to a page)
14:56:55 <igorps> yn1v, you can use this:
14:56:58 <igorps> #link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
14:57:01 <yn1v> to make a separate one, a proper town hall monthly that will be as a aid to the public meeting
14:57:21 <yn1v> separated two weeksapart one from the other
14:58:12 <igorps> I think we should do a public meeting first in order to see how it goes
14:59:02 <liknus> igorps: +1
14:59:19 <liknus> people lets go for a public next one and then see
14:59:41 <yn1v> yes.
15:01:28 <liknus> ok moving on:
15:01:44 <liknus> #topic Survey
15:01:54 <liknus> yn1v: I think it is about time to wrap this up
15:02:03 <igorps> liknus, +1
15:02:05 <liknus> July is here and we have already ~80 answers
15:02:10 <gbraad-china> +1
15:02:20 <liknus> can you wrap up and summarize the results
15:02:35 <yn1v> Okey,
15:02:51 <liknus> then send them on the famsco list so we can discuss on them and then push them on Ambassadors list
15:02:51 <liknus> everyone ok with that?
15:03:02 <yn1v> i will make my selection of findings and an full report
15:03:04 <gbraad-china> liknus: +1
15:03:06 <igorps> liknus, +1
15:03:29 <gbraad-china> yn1v: feedback can be used for the full report for Amba-list
15:03:45 <yn1v> we can them look into make cross links and enhance the selection
15:04:29 <yn1v> of course the full report will be posted, but i think it is more usefull when people look into cross links
15:04:30 <gbraad-china> any idea when this initial report would be avail?
15:04:52 <yn1v> tuesday or thursday
15:05:03 <gbraad-china> Thursday sounds ok
15:05:57 <liknus_> For me it seems really nice (although it needs some clean up)
15:06:18 <liknus_> (sorry .. connection probs)
15:06:29 <liknus_> everyone ok with that?
15:06:37 <gbraad-china> +1
15:06:42 <igorps> +1
15:06:49 <liknus_> ok nice :)
15:06:54 <liknus_> yn1v: ?
15:07:04 <yn1v> yes
15:07:12 <gbraad-china> yes = +1 ?
15:07:22 <yn1v> +1
15:07:28 <gbraad-china> ;-)
15:07:42 <liknus_> we also agreed that famsco tickets should be assigned directly to a credit card holder after READY FOR PAYMENT is granted by us
15:08:12 <liknus_> we will really love it .. (I am already loving it) so much speed :)
15:08:21 <liknus> moving on people?
15:08:30 <gbraad-china> +1
15:08:38 <liknus> #Chair yn1v gbraad-china igorps
15:08:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad-china igorps liknus yn1v
15:08:46 <liknus> (just to be on the safe side)
15:08:52 <liknus> ok next topic:
15:08:59 <liknus> #topic Trac Tickets
15:09:08 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/195
15:09:40 <liknus> Are we ok with this request ?
15:09:47 <liknus> this is pretty crucial on events in EMEA
15:09:59 * igorps is reading it
15:10:43 <gbraad-china> please a summary/title of the ticket as I can not open them at the moment
15:10:44 <igorps> sounds like a must to me
15:11:20 <liknus> [BUDGET-REQUEST] - Replacement broken Beamer in EMEA Event Box with new LED Beamer
15:11:30 <liknus> about 540 EUR
15:11:40 <liknus> seems logical and it is pretty crucial
15:11:54 <gbraad-china> sounds pricey to me, but crucial
15:12:19 <liknus> it is LED with 300 lumens
15:12:44 <gbraad-china> 300?
15:13:15 <liknus> yeap
15:13:38 <liknus> http://www.mini-beamer-vergleich.de/lg-hx300g-led-projektor.html
15:14:23 <liknus> seems really compact and nice
15:14:23 <gbraad-china> http://www.mediamarkt.de/angebot/projektoren
15:15:05 <liknus> yeap but these are huge... we need it for the event box
15:15:44 <gbraad-china> a beamer is usually not much bigger than two power cords, but more crucial
15:16:44 <liknus> weight is also a concern especially on shipping
15:17:20 <gbraad-china> I won't question it further
15:17:52 <liknus> seems logical for DE price and is adequate to the specs we need
15:18:01 <liknus> everyone ok with it?
15:18:02 <gbraad-china> general review comments: A small and light projector but brightness is lacking
15:18:04 <liknus> gbraad-china: noted
15:18:24 <liknus> I wil  make a note on the budget request
15:18:36 <gbraad-china> I have seen more DLP's and they are usually more expensive than needed
15:18:38 <liknus> for them to search for higher Lumens
15:19:01 <gbraad-china> rather have 2 beamers than one 'expensive'
15:20:01 <gbraad-china> according to Chinese reviews it is 270 ANSI lumens
15:20:09 <yn1v> I agree with gbraad-china ... we are sacrificing resources for convenience... it is really needed to be that small and light?
15:20:27 <liknus> ok agreed.
15:20:42 <liknus> I will comment on buying regardless of the size
15:20:50 <yn1v> I am not opposed, just concern.
15:20:54 <gbraad-china> same here
15:20:58 <liknus> just go for the best around 500 EUR
15:21:01 <liknus> seems ok?
15:21:23 <yn1v> and I am fully supporting purchasing one projector.
15:22:04 <liknus> ok cool
15:22:05 <liknus> notes
15:22:06 <igorps> if a bigger one does not imply into much bigger shipping costs I'm ok with that
15:22:07 <liknus> noted
15:22:08 <gbraad-china> 500 euro for more lumens
15:22:23 <liknus> ok changed:
15:22:24 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/195
15:22:45 <liknus> everyone ok?
15:23:07 <igorps> liknus, +1
15:23:11 <liknus> and that brings us to open floor :)
15:23:11 <gbraad-china> can't see it now, but I trust the comment has been made according to our notes ;-)
15:23:23 <liknus> #topic OpenFloor
15:23:38 <igorps> yn1v, any news on ticket #178?
15:23:39 <liknus> owner changed from mspevack to jsimon.
15:23:39 <liknus> summary changed from [BUDGET-REQUEST] - Replacement broken Beamer in EMEA Event Box with new LED Beamer to READY FOR PAYMENT - Replacement broken Beamer in EMEA Event Box with new LED Beamer.
15:23:39 <liknus> Discussed on the FAmSCo meeting. Approved, please proceed with buying...
15:23:39 <liknus> Just make sure to not constrain yourself for it to be small and lightweight. Go for the best specs around 500 EUR. ANSI Lumens is of outmost importance.
15:23:52 <liknus> that was the comment
15:24:36 <igorps> Also there is a media ticket for Brazil:
15:24:37 <gbraad-china> liknus, thanks. DLP at 300 is nice for a sales presentation, but not a meeting/presentation in a classroom
15:24:38 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/178
15:24:38 <yn1v> no, I haven't get anything for 178 (media production for fisl and latinoware)
15:24:56 <igorps> yn1v, maybe we should ping spevack again
15:25:06 <liknus> spevack: ping
15:25:19 <liknus> igorps: can you send him an email with URGENT as subject ?
15:25:30 <igorps> liknus, will do that
15:25:46 <yn1v> igorps, please send me copy
15:25:55 <liknus> ok nice
15:26:00 <igorps> yn1v, ok I'll cc you
15:26:07 <liknus> I shall close the meeting... anything else for now?
15:26:26 <gbraad-china> no
15:26:34 <yn1v> I have sothing...
15:26:41 <yn1v> something
15:26:42 <gbraad-china> didn't you tell tactica to wait until openfloor?
15:26:51 <liknus> it was gomix
15:26:53 <liknus> gomix:
15:27:04 <gbraad-china> sorry :-s
15:27:07 <yn1v> we said that we will award dinners... there is only one ticket saying dinner
15:28:00 <yn1v> should we remind about that? make a list of teams that we expect for hosting dinners?
15:28:34 * kital want to note that we already had a beamer for the last 5 years which was sponsored by ourself!
15:29:05 <gbraad-china> kital, note taken
15:29:09 <liknus> kital: thanks so much for that! now we can have a fedora sponsored one :)
15:29:11 <kital> and we just wanted a LED Beamer now instead of one with a lamp
15:29:13 <gbraad-china> crucial ++
15:29:30 * gbraad-china understand a lamp can break during shipping
15:29:31 <liknus> yn1v: yeap indeed
15:29:38 <liknus> can you send a reminder>
15:29:51 <liknus> #action yn1v sends a reminder for Release party dinners
15:30:19 <kital> gbraad-china: and it really happens that people plug out the power cord on the booth during the beamer is running
15:30:28 <kital> you know what this means ;)
15:30:30 <liknus> oh yeah they do...
15:30:41 <liknus> (I did it once myslef :( )
15:30:45 <yn1v> Can it be done to event owners that have accomplished the requierements?
15:31:01 <liknus> they need to file a ticket
15:31:07 <gbraad-china> kital: of importance is to go for LED with more lumens
15:31:23 * gomix nothing to say now... no point at this moment... totally unsync comment makes no sense now
15:31:39 <gbraad-china> I am just worried 300 is low for general use
15:32:28 * gomix my only comment now would be, keep open the meetings for participation ;)
15:32:28 * yn1v think gomix is right ... unsync comments makes no sense
15:32:31 <liknus> gomix: oops sorry for that.. next time you can send me questions and points in private so I can relay them on the meeting
15:32:46 <gomix> it makes even less sense to do it on pv
15:33:07 <liknus> ok thats why we will have open meetings regularly from now on
15:33:20 <liknus> closing the meeting in 1 min
15:33:25 <liknus> anything else people?
15:33:41 <gbraad-china> nope
15:33:53 <yn1v> liknus, about dinners... I will mail asking people to open tickets
15:33:55 <kital> gbraad-china: according to http://www.mini-beamer-vergleich.de/ it is the best balance between price and ansi for LED
15:34:18 <liknus> Thanks all for this constructive meeting, I will post the updated agenda and update on ml tonight
15:34:27 <liknus> 30 secs
15:34:31 <liknus> (to mars :P)
15:34:40 <liknus> 20 secs
15:34:47 <gbraad-china> kital: ok, thanks
15:34:52 <liknus> 10 secs
15:35:00 <kital> gbraad-china: if you can tell me another LED with more lumen around 500€ i am very interested
15:35:07 <liknus> #endmeeting